Obama, Bernie, and Hillary

[Jess Tolbirt]

Well, I see that Obama, Bernie, and Hillary all are slamming Trump for pulling out of a treaty that Obama signed w/o Senate approval. They are calling it an "international disgrace".
The only way it is an international disgrace for them is because it short-circuited the plan that Bernie, Obama, and Hillary had to make the United States a third-world socialist country!
My response: Who gives a rat's patootie about the opinions these washed-up has-beens and their Communist agenda.
Good move, Trump! You got a tri-fecta by pissing off the Three Stooges!

[Oss]

have we, ALL OF US, damaged the planet with pollution  No Doubt about it

Have we cause the world to get warmer

That is pretty freaking arrogant to suggest of Gore and his cabal

Better that we clean the planet up, create jobs, dont kill each other

Yeah like that will happen anytime soon  

I would have more respect for POTUS position if that was his speech in Paris as it would show we lead not just cry

Just my opinion  but I havent read his full speech yet

[..]

India is building dozens of new coal fired power stations.

The citizens of Beijing walk around wearing face masks to protect them form particualte inhalation.

The USA is supposed to carry the financial burden?

Others need to clean their act up anyway.

Why did the forest of North Africa disappear thousands of years ago? Global warming?

Why did the glaciers retreat thousands of years ago? Global warming?

You can fool some of the people all of the time. 

[The emperor has no clothes]

have we, ALL OF US, damaged the planet with pollution  No Doubt about it

Have we cause the world to get warmer

That is pretty freaking arrogant to suggest of Gore and his cabal

Better that we clean the planet up, create jobs, dont kill each other

Yeah like that will happen anytime soon  

I would have more respect for POTUS position if that was his speech in Paris as it would show we lead not just cry

Just my opinion  but I havent read his full speech yet

It was pretty long and rambling just to say "we are pulling out of the Paris Accord".

[dinosnake]

have we, ALL OF US, damaged the planet with pollution  No Doubt about it

Have we cause the world to get warmer

That is pretty freaking arrogant to suggest of Gore and his cabal

Better that we clean the planet up, create jobs, dont kill each other

Yeah like that will happen anytime soon  

I would have more respect for POTUS position if that was his speech in Paris as it would show we lead not just cry

Just my opinion  but I havent read his full speech yet

It was pretty long and rambling just to say "we are pulling out of the Paris Accord".

Yep!  And as typical with man-child Baby Boomers, Trump's biggest supporters, they only care about the decision affecting themselves without a care in the world of the repercussions.

Because, of course, they are already coming:

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-climatechange-idUSKBN18T1M0

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-06-02/eu-china-show-common-climate-front-after-u-s-shuns-global-pact

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/trumps-tangle-with-europe-leads-the-continent-to-find-partners-elsewhere/2017/06/02/429b1c0c-4599-11e7-8de1-cec59a9bf4b1_story.html

In case you want the tl:dr version:

China and the EU are looking to forge better cooperation and business agreements between themselves...that leaves the U.S. out of it.  Because we're doing a GREEEEEAT job taking ourselves right out the picture.

Germany is already discounting American influence in Europe.  Already.

Congrats!  You've just started to blow up alliances we've had for 60 years.  Why?  Because you want everything your way, like the spoiled entitled little brats that you are.

And coal?  Are naive people STILL listening to that lie and BELIEVING IT??!!  Really?  Are you THAT ignorant? 

Coal isn't coming back soon.  The Knox Mine Disaster https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knox_Mine_disaster put the major hurt on anthracite coal production in 1959, the "cleaner" coal over bituminous, in the Susquehanna region of Pennsylvania.  So coals we use in the United States, if we use any, are the dirtier bituminous.  Have been for decades now.

And that's the problem.

Natural gas is dirt cheap compared to coal electricity production, while oil prices have fallen for the 20th straight week, currently at $49.96/barrel for Brent and $47.67 for West Texas Intermediate. 

So we export more coal...to China...than we use here in the U.S. 

Therefore, a logicl equation:

If China is going along with the EU in reducing coal dependencies...exactly what does Trump's lack of care regarding environmental conditions, while coal isn't price competitive at home, mean for an industry that depends upon exports, to buyers who are promising to reduce carbon emissions regardless of what Cheeto Jesus promises??

No common sense.  Just listening to promises that "You're Number 1, it's all your way, regardless of reality"

Schadenfreude is best served cold!  Mwahahaha!!

[sandy]

In the '70s, the fathers of todays scientists feared the coming ice age. Millions were granted to research the problem. HMMMMM!!!!!

[G-Man]

If China is going along with the EU in reducing coal dependencies...

Not for the next 13 years.  So while we're supposed to pay to clean up other nations and NOT produce coal, China WILL be producing coal (taking our jobs) anyway.


And F U C K Germany!  Who does she think SHE is?  There are 35,000 of our young men and women stationed in her country, protecting them every single day.  And she says she can't count on US??  Kiss my A$$ Merkel!

[dragonslayer]

If you look at the treaty all it does is distribute the money to mostly 3rd world countries that have little to no effect on any global warming.Why should the US support other countries when they don't give a crap about us.

[Jess from VA]

And look historically on what happens to US money going to 3d world nations.  It never gets used where it's supposed to, it goes into corrupt hands immediately.... or is simply lost (by the trainload).

Except the trainload that went to Iran, we know where that went; to fund terrorism for the next two decades, and build nuclear weapons.  That was one of the best deals I ever heard of.

[The emperor has no clothes]

If China is going along with the EU in reducing coal dependencies...

Not for the next 13 years.  So while we're supposed to pay to clean up other nations and NOT produce coal, China WILL be producing coal (taking our jobs) anyway.


And F U C K Germany!  Who does she think SHE is?  There are 35,000 of our young men and women stationed in her country, protecting them every single day.  And she says she can't count on US??  Kiss my A$$ Merkel!

    I imagine she thinks she is the leader of Germany. She just made a statement that they need to look out for themselves. We put our troops there because we wanted them there to counter the Soviet Union. For our and Europes best interests. When the President has made the statements he has about NATO and our alliances, I think it would be foolish for them to feel they can count on us.

[Alpha Dog]

India is building dozens of new coal fired power stations.

The citizens of Beijing walk around wearing face masks to protect them form particualte inhalation.

The USA is supposed to carry the financial burden?

Others need to clean their act up anyway.

Why did the forest of North Africa disappear thousands of years ago? Global warming?

Why did the glaciers retreat thousands of years ago? Global warming?

You can fool some of the people all of the time. 

Good Britman.  Evey 20k years the Sahara changes from a desert to a forested and grass land.  Last I heard no one knew why, maybe they have a clue know.

[Alpha Dog]

If you look at the treaty all it does is distribute the money to mostly 3rd world countries that have little to no effect on any global warming.Why should the US support other countries when they don't give a crap about us.

And when it goes to a 3rd world country where do you think the money is really going to end up.  In the coffers of the head salami of course in order to build his military might to keep rule over his disgruntled citizens.

[Robert]

Poll: Two-thirds of Americans would struggle to cover $1,000 crisis
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2016/05/21/poll-americans-economic-situation-paying-bills/84665088/

Almost half of Americans die nearly broke
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/retirement/2017/06/02/almost-half-of-americans-die-nearly-broke/102312340/

The Secret Shame of Middle-Class Americans
Nearly half of Americans would have trouble finding $400 to pay for an emergency
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/05/my-secret-shame/476415/

The financial state of states: The truth may scare you
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/06/23/the-financial-state-of-states-the-truth-may-scare-you.html

61% of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck, up from 49% last year and 43% in 2007
50% of Americans have less than one month of savings saved for emergencies

Environmental cost to the American public is trillions of dollars added pollution controls to a diesel vehicle is alone 10 to 15k each one.

From 2000 to 2014 the share of adults living in middle-income households fell in 203 of the 229 U.S. metropolitan areas examined in a new Pew Research Center analysis of government data. The decrease in the middle-class share was often substantial, measuring 6 percentage points or more in 53 metropolitan areas, compared with a 4-point drop nationally.

US wage growth remains low, while costs are rising constantly.

[RainMaker]

Obama, Bernie and Hillary - Larry, Curly and Moe.  Except they are not funny - just stooges.

[old2soon]

Obama, Bernie and Hillary - Larry, Curly and Moe.  Except they are not funny - just stooges.

                 Damn it man-ya gives em way too MUCH credit AND you are insulting Real Comic Genius. Leastways the Three REAL 3 Stooges ALWAYS made me laugh.  o b & h on the other hand ALWAYS made me and Still do wanna puke.  RIDE SAFE.

[0leman]

The rest of the world needs to really listen to the folks at the UN.  They have admitted that Global Warming is really about shifting the global wealth, not about climate change.  Never was.

If we followed the Paris Accord, US would have dropped the proposed heat increase 0.05 C by end of century. These numbers were produced by the Climate folks.   Since the folks that measure the temps round every thing to 0.1 C, that isn't much of a change.  So yeah we suffer ecumenically while other countries, China, India and third world folks befit.  I am glad that we are out of it. 

While on the subject of measured temps, take some time and read up on how the global temps are measured.  There three systems that don't agree with themselves.  The most accurate is probably Satellite, as the other to rely on questionable ground based weather stations.  These ground base systems are not everywhere so the Temp folks just guess at the temps where they lack sites.   A lot are at airports that have a lot of asphalt around them and have grown larger in last 3-5 decades, other are in Urban areas with lots of concrete.   There is some indication that the Temp Keepers have been changing the past temps so that it makes our increase in temps for the last several decades look more than it has been.  Not many remember the 1930's here but it was hot, as hot as it is now.  but temps were changed in the last few years to make it cooler.  Go figure.

[John Schmidt]

Recall how everyone was all excited re. the northern passage and how ships could now cut through there due to the melted ice. The fools made such a big deal out of it at the time yet in the same breath started with the "Chicken Little...The Sky is Falling" syndrome. If one were to read a little history re. the travels of the Norsemen, you'd see they used the northern passage due to all the ice being gone. That was somewhere around 700 years ago as I recall and the emissions were not present like today. So, it would appear things kinda cooled down again based on the ice coverings, etc. Then read further and you'll find that the warming/cooling trend is somewhat cyclical, as are the various emissions and activity from the sun. I do remember as a little boy during the summers I'd fall asleep laying in front of a fan because it was so hot all night long....late 30's/early 40's. A/C was unheard of back then so you built your house to take advantage of the prevailing breezes, planted lots of trees, etc., opened your windows to take advantage of the movement of air and built awnings to shade the windows if exposed to the sun. But in the early 50's, 12-15 yrs. later, I could work all day long in the fields, often without a shirt and very little burn.....if any. The tractor didn't have an umbrella to shade you during the day. It was warm, but tolerable. Now, it seems to have taken a turn towards hot again in recent years. I wish I had thought of generating all the hoopla before Gore. I, too, would now be a multimillionaire based on something that has been an earthly cycle since the beginning of its existence.