Seattle Police Begin Gun Confiscations

[Robert]

Your story was wrong on a few accounts. Why keep denying it ? Just go back and make the story accurate.

I think its fine the way it sits, you think there are inaccuracies so you need to point them out.

BTW  have you seen how good Trump is doing, still dislike him that much?

Never Mind ! Every word was completely accurate. No courts, no warrants, no mental issues

Not to mention the disingenuous subject heading.  I've found pointing out Robert's "inaccuracies" to him is a pointless exercise, as he never admits to being wrong.

I've found the same. Shame on me for thinking it would be different.

So I guess the stories are fine since it seems, I am your only criticism and if that is the case then the criticism is baseless, again since the stories are fine.

Say Gryph you must be really proud of your Prime Minister dancing that Indian dance and blending in so well with the Indians. That was awesome that he didn't have enough pride and standing to represent your country in the way it should be.  I only posted this one video but there are many more of him with Indian dress of different types.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2iFlTHf_nM

[Serk]

[The emperor has no clothes]

The attack was on the inaccuracies of his story. Why someone knowingly posts BS is beyond me.




Besides, I just read yesterday that Ed Hokuli is retiring. 

[northernvalk]

Your story was wrong on a few accounts. Why keep denying it ? Just go back and make the story accurate.

I think its fine the way it sits, you think there are inaccuracies so you need to point them out.

BTW  have you seen how good Trump is doing, still dislike him that much?

Never Mind ! Every word was completely accurate. No courts, no warrants, no mental issues

Not to mention the disingenuous subject heading.  I've found pointing out Robert's "inaccuracies" to him is a pointless exercise, as he never admits to being wrong.

I've found the same. Shame on me for thinking it would be different.

So I guess the stories are fine since it seems, I am your only criticism and if that is the case then the criticism is baseless, again since the stories are fine.

Say Gryph you must be really proud of your Prime Minister dancing that Indian dance and blending in so well with the Indians. That was awesome that he didn't have enough pride and standing to represent your country in the way it should be.  I only posted this one video but there are many more of him with Indian dress of different types.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2iFlTHf_nM

That POS DOES NOT represent the majority of this country...NEVER has.  Most of us are waiting with baited breath for the chance to launch his ass out of here!!!!!

[Robert]

That POS DOES NOT represent the majority of this country...NEVER has.  Most of us are waiting with baited breath for the chance to launch his ass out of here!!!!!

   
 
Awesome, many here know how you feel when Obama was in office it just grates on you.

It seems they never learn either there is a picture of Obama by a painter that regularly paints semen into his paintings. Well if you look at the picture he did of Obama and look at his temple you notice his stamp.

http://www.thisiscolossal.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/PA_NPG_18_55-Obama-R-1.jpg

https://www.dailywire.com/news/27081/did-obama-portrait-artist-paint-sperm-his-face-joseph-curl

It appears the hands on the watch Obama is wearing in this portrait are pointing to 3:18 - From the Quran

Allah witnesses that there is no deity except Him, and [so do] the angels and those of knowledge - [that He is] maintaining [creation] in justice. There is no deity except Him, the Exalted in Might, the Wise.



On a related note, it is well known the wedding ring Obama wears is Islamic (and is also clearly visible in his new presidential portrait):

[Jess from VA]

a painter that regularly paints seamen into his paintings.

Wow, and he didn't even serve in the Navy.   

[Robert]

a painter that regularly paints seamen into his paintings.

Wow, and he didn't even serve in the Navy.   

OOPs 

[Gryphon Rider]

Your story was wrong on a few accounts. Why keep denying it ? Just go back and make the story accurate.

I think its fine the way it sits, you think there are inaccuracies so you need to point them out.

BTW  have you seen how good Trump is doing, still dislike him that much?

Never Mind ! Every word was completely accurate. No courts, no warrants, no mental issues

Not to mention the disingenuous subject heading.  I've found pointing out Robert's "inaccuracies" to him is a pointless exercise, as he never admits to being wrong.

I've found the same. Shame on me for thinking it would be different.

So I guess the stories are fine since it seems, I am your only criticism and if that is the case then the criticism is baseless, again since the stories are fine.

Say Gryph you must be really proud of your Prime Minister dancing that Indian dance and blending in so well with the Indians. That was awesome that he didn't have enough pride and standing to represent your country in the way it should be.  I only posted this one video but there are many more of him with Indian dress of different types.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2iFlTHf_nM

What I had typed and then deleted before posting my response to meathead was that whenever someone points out the inaccuracies of your statements, your response is always to completely ignore the correction, then sometimes to misrepresent what that person said, then always follow up by trying to direct the discussion towards something either only barely related, or, more usually, completely unrelated to the topic at hand.

It seems you think pointing out Trudeau's silliness is somehow an effective attack on me; I can't figure out why else you would mention Trudeau in a thread about a conspiracy theory that Seattle police have started to round up guns because gun owners make people feel uncomfortable.

[Robert]

What I had typed and then deleted before posting my response to meathead was that whenever someone points out the inaccuracies of your statements, your response is always to completely ignore the correction, then sometimes to misrepresent what that person said, then always follow up by trying to direct the discussion towards something either only barely related, or, more usually, completely unrelated to the topic at hand.

It seems you think pointing out Trudeau's silliness is somehow an effective attack on me; I can't figure out why else you would mention Trudeau in a thread about a conspiracy theory that Seattle police have started to round up guns because gun owners make people feel uncomfortable.

Because quite honestly any thing said is a waste of time with you or meat. You choose to instead talk about me and my reaction and post to sometimes try to get a rise. I dont really care because I dont have to be right and my feelings on subjects are easily known. So I dont see any need to talk about myself otherwise I would have made the topic about me. I post mainly to inform and if someone has better or more accurate information then they can post it and by their post I may stand corrected. I would think that would be self evident.

 Both of you dont stick to the case and say whats  wrong you say its wrong but dont ever bother to post facts or even other relevant information. When I think someone says I'm wrong and I'm not. I will either let it go or explain my position. Really quite simple and you know whats really nice, its my choice.

Trudeau's silliness as you put it was a remembrance for me back to having Obama as president. Especially when he bowed to the Saudi's. Its all part of a world system trying to encroach on each countries sovereignty and shows lack of respect for the country and each person they represent.

 How is it tied to gun confiscation is its all part of the one world the open boarders the inane people who represent all who think they know better than anyone else or anyone that got them into office.

 Why did I mention it, because its what I wanted to bring up and actually wondered what your reaction would be knowing you are a Canadian and not wanting to start another post and finding no need to explain my feelings or answers, which I stated previously. I also know you are avidly against Trump so I was interested in your reaction. If you supported what he did and would defend it or would say he is way off base.

 
   

[The emperor has no clothes]

Seattle Police Begin Gun Confiscations: No Laws Broken, No Warrant, No Charges

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-06/seattle-police-begin-gun-confiscations-no-laws-broken-no-warrant-no-charges

A man in Seattle has had his gun confiscated by police after breaking no laws. The police took his gun without a warrant and without pressing any charges.  Tyranny has officially taken hold on American soil.

This sets a precedent that government can now forcefully take guns away from an individual without a crime being committed or an arrest being made and without a warrant. In the name of fear and political exploitation of anti-gun rhetoric, a citizen’s Second Amendment rights have been ripped away from him by the government.

The new “red flag” law, which has taken hold in other states already, allows the courts and law enforcement to take away guns from individuals they deem are dangerous and they’ve just begun the confiscation. A man living in the Belltown neighborhood of Seattle, Washington became the first individual in the state to have his firearm confiscated without any formal arrest or charges.  The man was not identified by authorities.

Neighbors complained that the man had been “staring” at people through storefront windows while wearing a holstered firearm. He was not brandishing his weapon by any account, and open carrying is legal in the area, so he was abiding by the law. Other residents also complained that the man’s open carrying made them feel “uncomfortable” and “unsafe.”

Your story is wrong on a few counts. The police went to the courts for an "extreme protection order" , it was granted. He did not comply with the order. Then a warrant was granted to confiscate his weapons. Had this guy with mental issues shot someone, you would likely be blaming the police for not doing anything after people had reported his behavior.

This was my first post in this thread. It clearly points out your inaccuracies. Yet, after all this you refuse to admit the facts. 

[Robert]

Seattle Police Begin Gun Confiscations: No Laws Broken, No Warrant, No Charges

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-06/seattle-police-begin-gun-confiscations-no-laws-broken-no-warrant-no-charges

A man in Seattle has had his gun confiscated by police after breaking no laws. The police took his gun without a warrant and without pressing any charges.  Tyranny has officially taken hold on American soil.

This sets a precedent that government can now forcefully take guns away from an individual without a crime being committed or an arrest being made and without a warrant. In the name of fear and political exploitation of anti-gun rhetoric, a citizen’s Second Amendment rights have been ripped away from him by the government.

The new “red flag” law, which has taken hold in other states already, allows the courts and law enforcement to take away guns from individuals they deem are dangerous and they’ve just begun the confiscation. A man living in the Belltown neighborhood of Seattle, Washington became the first individual in the state to have his firearm confiscated without any formal arrest or charges.  The man was not identified by authorities.

Neighbors complained that the man had been “staring” at people through storefront windows while wearing a holstered firearm. He was not brandishing his weapon by any account, and open carrying is legal in the area, so he was abiding by the law. Other residents also complained that the man’s open carrying made them feel “uncomfortable” and “unsafe.”

Your story is wrong on a few counts. The police went to the courts for an "extreme protection order" , it was granted. He did not comply with the order. Then a warrant was granted to confiscate his weapons. Had this guy with mental issues shot someone, you would likely be blaming the police for not doing anything after people had reported his behavior.

This was my first post in this thread. It clearly points out your inaccuracies. Yet, after all this you refuse to admit the facts. 

What facts am I not admitting or need to be admitted by me? Facts like you have posted many times, or like you usually get posts locked or you are at odds with many here, or your attacks on people continue or you have not one clue of truth or you dont know how to stick on topic or, well I will stop here and say why dont you post some information that contradicts what Ive posted. 

[The emperor has no clothes]

Seattle Police Begin Gun Confiscations: No Laws Broken, No Warrant, No Charges

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-06/seattle-police-begin-gun-confiscations-no-laws-broken-no-warrant-no-charges

A man in Seattle has had his gun confiscated by police after breaking no laws. The police took his gun without a warrant and without pressing any charges.  Tyranny has officially taken hold on American soil.

This sets a precedent that government can now forcefully take guns away from an individual without a crime being committed or an arrest being made and without a warrant. In the name of fear and political exploitation of anti-gun rhetoric, a citizen’s Second Amendment rights have been ripped away from him by the government.

The new “red flag” law, which has taken hold in other states already, allows the courts and law enforcement to take away guns from individuals they deem are dangerous and they’ve just begun the confiscation. A man living in the Belltown neighborhood of Seattle, Washington became the first individual in the state to have his firearm confiscated without any formal arrest or charges.  The man was not identified by authorities.

Neighbors complained that the man had been “staring” at people through storefront windows while wearing a holstered firearm. He was not brandishing his weapon by any account, and open carrying is legal in the area, so he was abiding by the law. Other residents also complained that the man’s open carrying made them feel “uncomfortable” and “unsafe.”

Your story is wrong on a few counts. The police went to the courts for an "extreme protection order" , it was granted. He did not comply with the order. Then a warrant was granted to confiscate his weapons. Had this guy with mental issues shot someone, you would likely be blaming the police for not doing anything after people had reported his behavior.

This was my first post in this thread. It clearly points out your inaccuracies. Yet, after all this you refuse to admit the facts. 

What facts am I not admitting?

Did you not say no warrants were issued ? Did you not say the police confiscated his weapons without any court actions ? Did you not leave out that he had menaced his neighbors repeatedly ?

[Robert]

Did you not say no warrants were issued ? Did you not say the police confiscated his weapons without any court actions ? Did you not leave out that he had menaced his neighbors repeatedly ?

Actually I didn't say it since I only posted the article and I didn't write it.

As for your claims about warrants and without court actions I would have to say that each case would have to be looked at and the information that others gave may not be the same case and may not be the whole truth. As for menacing people while I would not do what he did no one said he was aggressive and didn't complain about harassment either.  

In Washington State open carry is legal without a permit also so he had every right to walk anywhere he wanted with a handgun in full display.

I would also say these confiscations are done without the gun holders ability to defend himself. So this effectively is total confiscation since you are presumed guilty before you are heard in court and have the ability to defend yourself. In this case it also begs did they go against their own laws on the books of open carry on someone else's say so.

I would think that if Hillary and Weinstein would have the same standard applied they would be in jail today. This same standard is applied to the fathers and mothers of children who are claimed to be abused. They lose their rights and thrown in jail immediately without due process. Its only after they defend themselves  from a much harder position against a government with unlimited resources and maybe even from jail are they allowed to keep their rights and freedom if they win. This means we are not free, we dont have rights and its not innocent till proven guilty. Its someones accusation can get us arrested or change our way of life.

We are slaves if all someone has to do is say something against us and we can be arrested. This is not Russia or maybe it actually is.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Did you not say no warrants were issued ? Did you not say the police confiscated his weapons without any court actions ? Did you not leave out that he had menaced his neighbors repeatedly ?

Actually I didn't say it since I only posted the article and I didn't write it.

As for your claims about warrants and without court actions I would have to say that each case would have to be looked at and the information that others gave may not be the same case and may not be the whole truth. As for menacing people while I would not do what he did no one said he was aggressive and didn't complain about harassment either.  

In Washington State open carry is legal without a permit also so he had every right to walk anywhere he wanted with a handgun in full display.

I would also say these confiscations are done without the gun holders ability to defend himself. So this effectively is total confiscation since you are presumed guilty before you are heard in court and have the ability to defend yourself. In this case it also begs did they go against their own laws on the books of open carry on someone else's say so.

I would think that if Hillary and Weinstein would have the same standard applied they would be in jail today. This same standard is applied to the fathers and mothers of children who are claimed to be abused. They lose their rights and thrown in jail immediately without due process. Its only after they defend themselves  from a much harder position against a government with unlimited resources and maybe even from jail are they allowed to keep their rights and freedom if they win. This means we are not free, we dont have rights and its not innocent till proven guilty. Its someones accusation can get us arrested or change our way of life.

We are slaves if all someone has to do is say something against us and we can be arrested. This is not Russia or maybe it actually is.

Oh. You didn't write bogus info, you just posted it. Have a good day. 

[Moonshot_1]

I'm with meathead on this one. The original posted article was very one sided.
I did some digging on the story and found this https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/handgun-seized-in-belltown-under-extreme-risk-protection-order/

This guy wasn't just hanging out with a side arm. He had multiple prior and significant gun related legal issues.

So the question is Do you support a gun owner that harasses others and harasses them while armed, rejects a court order to surrender his guns as part of a criminal case while continuing to harass his neighbors?
Pretty sure the 2nd amendment isn't for scaring and threatening your neighbors. 

[Robert]

I'm with meathead on this one. The original posted article was very one sided.
I did some digging on the story and found this https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/handgun-seized-in-belltown-under-extreme-risk-protection-order/

This guy wasn't just hanging out with a side arm. He had multiple prior and significant gun related legal issues.

So the question is Do you support a gun owner that harasses others and harasses them while armed, rejects a court order to surrender his guns as part of a criminal case while continuing to harass his neighbors?
Pretty sure the 2nd amendment isn't for scaring and threatening your neighbors. 

So did the incidents arise from the carrying of his gun? I read your article and I could think many would like to confront him and since the gun was not used in any of the confrontations how dangerous was he really?

If the city had made one change in the law that a permit was required to open carry or that concealed carry is the only way to carry would that not have stopped this whole thing rather than the straight confiscation?

No one likes a nut case with a gun but why confiscation when there are enough laws on the books to stop bad behavior with guns. Including brandishing a gun is a arrest able offense in some states.

[Serk]

That notoriously right wing, pro gun group *Cough Cough*  the ACLU isn't a fan of these so-called "Red Flag" laws:

http://riaclu.org/news/post/aclu-of-rhode-island-raises-red-flags-over-red-flag-gun-legislation

[Robert]

Oh. You didn't write bogus info, you just posted it. Have a good day. 

Responding to you is such a waste of time





I would also wonder if the man in the article was a nut case or portrayed that way and was actually standing for his ability to keep his gun and wear it as the law says and in liberal Washington received much flack for it. Why was the judge telling him to surrender his gun was it because he was exercising his rights and someone didn't like it?

The news media that reported it didn't say to many bad things about him, which to me means he probably wasn't that bad. Look at the media and Trump and you trust what was said about him? I have seen cases where the news media reported on a person just exactly what the Police said about an individual making him out to be public enemy number one. When in reality prior arrests and legal problems turned out to be unpaid traffic citation.