I've had enough!

[Serk]

I think carry in schools is coming, one way or another, and certain staff positions should easily become the positions that fill this need

No need... Just give the students buckets of rocks, don't ya' know...

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/24/us/pennsylvania-school-students-armed-rocks-trnd/index.html

(Note Communist News Network link, so you know it's not fake news!)

Folks from PA, at least western PA, Have good arms.  But I still don't recommend taking rocks to a gun fight.  They just don't have the range.

I'll admit, they've got the right idea... But instead of rocks, I like small pieces of metal, encased in a harder metal, propelled to very high speeds...

[Jess from VA]

Braveheart (Gibson) being the exception, when did you ever heave a stone at max velocity and ever hit what you were aiming at (as opposed to someone's car window)?

But now that we are talking other than firearms (but there must be some firearms) how about tasers?

Tasers put almost anyone down, and no one (or bystander) gets killed.  You do have to get somewhat close.

Also, on choice of firearms, I like Eric's story of open carry.  Not so much that it's open, but with open, you can carry target quality pistols, which are way better firearms in a school than typical concealed carry face shooter pocket pistols.  They would have to be in retention holsters when open carried, but the firearm can be a full size, target sight, long barrel.  That's the ticket.

From personal experience, my confidence factor of a good hit at decent distance skyrockets with a 4-6" target sight pistol over any pocket pistol.  And they could even have optics/red dots/reflex sights.

Though I suppose that open carry could be countered with an ambush attack (like with a hammer) and gun grab since retention holsters can be learned by a planner.  

Door security has to be better too.  


Small drift:  Way to go Wolverines!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[solo1]

Thanks for the response, everyone.  Actually a pre planned defense IMO should have the availability of a pistol carbine with a red dot sight and iron sights both co-aligned at say 25 yards.  Believe it or not a cheap Hipoint 9mm or 40 carbine would do the job.  I know, I have two, accurate and reliable. If there's a place to stash them, any carbine is better than a handgun, especially under duress.

In addition a large fire extinguisher could be used if it's close and personal. 

BTW, when my guest column is published I might need some help in answering replies from these 'keyboard commandos'.  We have one in this area who is mentally sick. He generally has some sick response to articles by our conservative reporter.  This weirdo's name goes by Christopher Swain and he uses Dr. Strangelove ( nuclear movie) as an avatar on Facebook..  He is anticop.

I'm slightly worried about 'coming out ' as an NRA member in these f***ed up times but some one has to do it.

[Robert]

Elderly, Bedridden Texas Homeowner Shoots Man During Alleged Break-In

http://www.kxii.com/content/news/Elderly-Grayson-County-homeowner-shoots-man-during-alleged-break-in--477781653.html


When column is published how about a link?

[3fan4life]

You may be thinking; "That's crazy!"  I would like to think that too but I know it can and does happen.  Consider the battle of Athens, TN.  You may not have heard of it before.  Here is a link to 1 of many articles about it: https://www.americanheritage.com/content/battle-athens  Had some of these GIs not had access to the National Guard Armory, things might have turned out differently.

That was a very interesting story.

Thanks for posting it.

[solo1]

I'll post a link when it's published.

[Bigwolf]

You may be thinking; "That's crazy!"  I would like to think that too but I know it can and does happen.  Consider the battle of Athens, TN.  You may not have heard of it before.  Here is a link to 1 of many articles about it: https://www.americanheritage.com/content/battle-athens  Had some of these GIs not had access to the National Guard Armory, things might have turned out differently.

That was a very interesting story.

Thanks for posting it.

3fan4life,
Thank you for reading it.  I think it should be required reading for everyone entering the gun control debate.

Bigwolf

[solo1]

I finally got around to reading it. Thanks. Two conclusions.

The 2nd Amendment
 is real

The news media and pols can never be trusted.  "Power corrupts but absolute power corrupts absolutely"

[RudyF6]

I'll admit, they've got the right idea... But instead of rocks, I like small pieces of metal, encased in a harder metal, propelled to very high speeds...

Semi-automatically! 

[old2soon]

A ""news"" story showing a picture of a young'un holding a sign that states-the 2nd amendment is killing us!  RIDE SAFE.

[Jess from VA]

A ""news"" story showing a picture of a young'un holding a sign that states-the 2nd amendment is killing us!  RIDE SAFE.

I think it's the education system that's killing us.

[shortleg]

Respectfully disagree. Teachers carrying guns is a bad idea. My wife is a teacher and having her learn warfare techniques as part of her job description is unfathomable. Automatic weapons have no utility except for the purpose for which they are made - for soldiers at war.  The victims of careless gun control are our kids and it's heartening to see they are doing something about it. None of you may be targets but your kids sure are...and yet you still won't budge on simple background checks, age limits, automatic weapon restrictions and other common sense measures to try and get the US from being the most dangerous nation in the world when it comes to firearms.

I know my views are not going far on a motorcycle site...but I'm curious what the reaction will be to what I'm trying to convey in a rational manner.
Peter

  Peter my friend I think one more time there is a misunderstanding here.
The teachers that would be carrying would be those that have been trained
and also have service time and time carrying a weapon.
  We would never expect Ms Snow my English teacher to get down in a
prone position and deliver a few rounds down a crowded hallway.

[Bighead]

Respectfully disagree. Teachers carrying guns is a bad idea. My wife is a teacher and having her learn warfare techniques as part of her job description is unfathomable. Automatic weapons have no utility except for the purpose for which they are made - for soldiers at war.  The victims of careless gun control are our kids and it's heartening to see they are doing something about it. None of you may be targets but your kids sure are...and yet you still won't budge on simple background checks, age limits, automatic weapon restrictions and other common sense measures to try and get the US from being the most dangerous nation in the world when it comes to firearms.

I know my views are not going far on a motorcycle site...but I'm curious what the reaction will be to what I'm trying to convey in a rational manner.
Peter

Peter you are waaaay out in left field dude.....there are already back ground checks ( ON EVERY GUN SOLD) and there are very few Automatic weapons in the hands of the public......you are confusing semi-auto to automatic.
Semi auto= one pull of the trigger ='s one round spent ( same as a revolver)
Automatic= one pull of trigger and weapon fires til magazine is empty or puller of trigger releases. Ywo totally different things. Keep watching CNN ( communist news network) and keep us informed of the latest please.
Also my kids dont care about gun control.....because I have none....but if I did they would onow the word control means using both hands....

[The emperor has no clothes]

Respectfully disagree. Teachers carrying guns is a bad idea. My wife is a teacher and having her learn warfare techniques as part of her job description is unfathomable. Automatic weapons have no utility except for the purpose for which they are made - for soldiers at war.  The victims of careless gun control are our kids and it's heartening to see they are doing something about it. None of you may be targets but your kids sure are...and yet you still won't budge on simple background checks, age limits, automatic weapon restrictions and other common sense measures to try and get the US from being the most dangerous nation in the world when it comes to firearms.

I know my views are not going far on a motorcycle site...but I'm curious what the reaction will be to what I'm trying to convey in a rational manner.
Peter

Peter you are waaaay out in left field dude.....there are already back ground checks ( ON EVERY GUN SOLD)

Incorrect 

[Pete]

In many states, person to person transfers are legal with out  going thru a dealer.
In most states individuals are not allow to access the background system.
The federal government will not allow individuals to access the background system.

But an individual is still bound by law to NOT sell a firearm to a felon or someone who is not eligible to own a firearm. And can be convicted and punished if they do.

Background checks are typically limited to dealers by statute and law, federal and state.

[RP#62]

In many states, person to person transfers are legal with out  going thru a dealer.
In most states individuals are not allow to access the background system.
The federal government will not allow individuals to access the background system.

But an individual is still bound by law to NOT sell a firearm to a felon or someone who is not eligible to own a firearm. And can be convicted and punished if they do.

Background checks are typically limited to dealers by statute and law, federal and state.

How many private sale guns have been used in school shootings?

-RP

[MAD6Gun]

Respectfully disagree. Teachers carrying guns is a bad idea. My wife is a teacher and having her learn warfare techniques as part of her job description is unfathomable. Automatic weapons have no utility except for the purpose for which they are made - for soldiers at war.  The victims of careless gun control are our kids and it's heartening to see they are doing something about it. None of you may be targets but your kids sure are...and yet you still won't budge on simple background checks, age limits, automatic weapon restrictions and other common sense measures to try and get the US from being the most dangerous nation in the world when it comes to firearms.

I know my views are not going far on a motorcycle site...but I'm curious what the reaction will be to what I'm trying to convey in a rational manner.
Peter

Peter you are waaaay out in left field dude.....there are already back ground checks ( ON EVERY GUN SOLD)

Incorrect 

 And do you know what created the so called gun show loophole? The Clinton assault weapon ban/NICS law. Before that law was in place if you wanted to sell a gun to a friend you had to take it to a dealer and transfer ownership to the new owner and they had to wait up to 10 days to retrieve it. After the law you no longer had to do that because of NICS. So Clintons law and the democrats created the loophole. I personally don't have a problem going to a dealer to transfer a firearm but until it made into law it's not going to happen....

[The emperor has no clothes]

Respectfully disagree. Teachers carrying guns is a bad idea. My wife is a teacher and having her learn warfare techniques as part of her job description is unfathomable. Automatic weapons have no utility except for the purpose for which they are made - for soldiers at war.  The victims of careless gun control are our kids and it's heartening to see they are doing something about it. None of you may be targets but your kids sure are...and yet you still won't budge on simple background checks, age limits, automatic weapon restrictions and other common sense measures to try and get the US from being the most dangerous nation in the world when it comes to firearms.

I know my views are not going far on a motorcycle site...but I'm curious what the reaction will be to what I'm trying to convey in a rational manner.
Peter

Peter you are waaaay out in left field dude.....there are already back ground checks ( ON EVERY GUN SOLD)

Incorrect 

 And do you know what created the so called gun show loophole? The Clinton assault weapon ban/NICS law. Before that law was in place if you wanted to sell a gun to a friend you had to take it to a dealer and transfer ownership to the new owner and they had to wait up to 10 days to retrieve it. After the law you no longer had to do that because of NICS. So Clintons law and the democrats created the loophole. I personally don't have a problem going to a dealer to transfer a firearm but until it made into law it's not going to happen....

There are many laws that need to be corrected. I was just clearing up an inaccuracy. It is amusing how some “gun rights advocates” will jump all over others for misusing the terms “assault rifles, clips, autos & semi autos” but are lacking themselves in the basics of gun laws and precedents set forth by the Supreme Court.

[Pete]

Sorry folks but individual sales to individuals (without any checks) have been legal forever (1776) in most states, with a very few exceptions in some local areas.

As a matter of fact there is still no way for an individual to run an background check thru NICS as it is restricted to dealers  by federal statute.

Even states who had checks before the federal law would not do or allow individuals to do checks thru their offices.

[Rams]

Respectfully disagree.

Snip

I know my views are not going far on a motorcycle site...but I'm curious what the reaction will be to what I'm trying to convey in a rational manner.
Peter

Peter,
You stirred the pot and got rational reactions (IMHO), please don't drop out now.    Just ensure you have your facts straight.

Rams

[Skinhead]

Send this to all your lib friends and watch their heads explode:  Most armed man in America.  I want to party with this dude!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlkcUqThBtk

[baldo]

Send this to all your lib friends and watch their heads explode:  Most armed man in America.  I want to party with this dude!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlkcUqThBtk

I watched it...no explosions.

[Jess from VA]

There's also a lot of fallacies about the so called gun show loophole.

Yes, private sales between lawful owners and buyers need no FFL dealer or federal paperwork (and they never should).  Virtually every private purchase I've done has been with a seller that has a VA CCW, so I know he is not a felon or otherwise prohibited owner/seller.  But I must also do my own inquiry to ensure it is not a stolen firearm, which is easy when he shows you his receipt for new purchase.  Also, if you check your gun forums and boards, many private sellers now want to meet at an FFL store, and do a federal transfer anyway.

Back to gun shows; in the old days, it was not uncommon for a non-FFL guy to have a (small) table at at a show and sell his small selection to private parties with no federal paperwork.  Oftentimes, those guys had a number of Curio & Relic firearms (nee old guns) that (still) do not require FFL for transfer (and a lot of these guys had a federal Curio and Relic limited FFL).  

But after Clinton initiated a program to deny FFLs to anyone who operated from his home or basement or garage, and required FFL holders to have a place of business separate and apart from their home, and also had BATF start enforcing at guns shows (usually undercover, and often with practices that approached entrapment), the small non-FFL tables at gun shows disappeared.  

About the same time, court cases appeared that held that a guy who sold as few as 3-4 guns a year was an unlicensed dealer and subject to huge penalties (even though he was never a true gun dealer, just a weekend hobbyist who maybe made a few hundred dollars in actual profit any given year).  The upshot of all this is that you do not find the small non-FFL tables at gun shows anymore, unless every gun on that table is a Curio & Relic.  

However, you still have the guys who sling one rifle over their shoulder with a for sale sign, and walk around trying to sell (or maybe trade) it.  And those guys generally do the very best job they can of not selling to a prohibited person.  

And FWIW, there is little to no evidence of hoodlums, gang bangers, and felons going to gun shows to buy firearms to use to commit crimes.  First, they know that is a risky business as feds and local police (and in VA, State troopers) are often present and watching.  Second, the prices being charged are fair market value, and generally much higher than they can get on the street from other hoodlums (and this is where the vast majority criminals buy their firearms) (the others steal them).

And all the gun show loophole legislation ever offered went WAY beyond requiring all gun show sales to only go through licensed FFL dealers with background checks and federal paperwork.  All of that legislation has sought to criminalize all private sales and transfers (gifts), including between family members and friends and neighbors, and even inheritance by father to sons, and outlawed even purely harmless loans of a firearm to a friend or family member to go hunting or to a range.  And all of that legislation was aimed at making the licensing and registration of all guns and gun owners the next logical step, and we will never ever sit still for that.  Universal licensing and registration was the same method used by Hitler and Stalin and Mao, and every other regime that enforced mass confiscation of privately owned firearms, just before they murdered millions of their own people.

And people may find it interesting that much of the so called gun show loophole legislation offered in the past was largely plagiarized from pre WWII German laws used to disarm its citizenry.

And RP asked the right question... How many school (or any mass) shootings have occurred with gun show (non-FFL) sale firearms?  The answer is none.

We already have thousands and thousands of State and Federal laws regarding manufacture, sale, transfer and use of firearms.  It is one of the most highly regulated areas in American life.  Laws do not change defective human behavior.  They only affect the law abiding citizens who will follow them, and not criminals at all.  You cannot legislate away criminal behavior or school (or other mass) shootings.

As I see it, there are two classes of humans who we want to prohibit lawful ownership and use of firearms.  1) The felons (and other already prohibited classes of people listed on the Federal forms 4473).   2) And the crazy.  The already judicially adjudicated crazy are already prohibited from firearms ownership per the Federal form 4473.  The problem is there are a lot of other crazy humans who have not been formally adjudicated as crazy in a court or other administrative determination.  These are your mass shooters of the last few decades.  How (additional) gun law legislation is going to identify crazy people is a very good question.

But it is worth noting that in terms of lives taken (or maimed), it is the felons who are doing the vast majority of shootings.  The crazy get way more press, but take vastly less lives than the felons (probably in Chicago alone).  

 

[solo1]

Meathead, it does make a difference talking about assault rifles. The media named the AR-15 an assault weapon, the military didn't. A big Difference in gun laws.  Clips vs mags, ok, sorta like calling a Valk a scooter.  I hope that you know I try to be fair.  However, semi auto vs full auto is important to me and the idea that it's not pisses me a little.  As far as the Supreme Court,  yes I know a little.  A lot, no but I bet that many of us aren't know-it-alls either.

I long ago quit the arms race. A collection of  super many guns doesn't do much for me.  I started with a .22 rifle and could go back to just that if needed.  (It would be kinda tuff to give up the forty, tho)

I don't like to have a "in your face' attitude on gun ownership.  When I taught firearm classes (except for hunter safety) I made it a point to dress as befitting my white hair . Dignified (yes, that is the word) no camo anything, no bluster, no military wannabe attitude, but sometimes a sweater (yes!) going for a Mr. Rogers look.

However, when people question my character as one of those 'gun nuts" my attitude changes.

[solo1]

Jess, Right on!

[Gavin_Sons]

I'm all for limiting purchasing age for a firearm to 21 as long as they limit the age to vote to 21 and the age to enter the military to 21. Without both of those others i'm out. No law can ever be written or enforced that will stop criminals from getting their hands on guns and killing people.

[old2soon]

I'm all for limiting purchasing age for a firearm to 21 as long as they limit the age to vote to 21 and the age to enter the military to 21. Without both of those others i'm out. No law can ever be written or enforced that will stop criminals from getting their hands on guns and killing people.

             In 1964 they were drafting 18 year olds. They were NOT "legal" to drink in the E M Club BUT could go to Nam and maybe git killed. AND some people do not WANT or DESIRE to be educated far as weapons and weapon nomenclature goes. As a U S Navy Aircraft mechanic NOMENCLATURE Was Extremely important in my job. If the Girls were still under my roof and someone asked me for a clip wanna guess what I'd hand them?    RIDE SAFE.

[Varmintmist]

Clipped from a NRA post

There are 30,000 gun related deaths per year by firearms, and this number is not disputed. U.S. population 324,059,091 as of Wednesday, June 22, 2016. Do the math: 0.00925% of the population dies from gun related actions each year. Statistically speaking, this is insignificant! What is never told, however, is a breakdown of those 30,000 deaths, to put them in perspective as compared to other causes of death:
• 65% of those deaths are by suicide which would never be prevented by gun laws
• 15% are by law enforcement in the line of duty and justified
• 17% are through criminal activity, gang and drug related or mentally ill persons – gun violence
• 3% are accidental discharge deaths
So technically, "gun violence" is not 30,000 annually, but drops to 5,100. Still too many? Well, first, how are those deaths spanned across the nation?
• 480 homicides (9.4%) were in Chicago
• 344 homicides (6.7%) were in Baltimore
• 333 homicides (6.5%) were in Detroit
• 119 homicides (2.3%) were in Washington D.C. (a 54% increase over prior years)
So basically, 25% of all gun crime happens in just 4 cities. All 4 of those cities have strict gun laws, so it is not the lack of law that is the root cause.
This basically leaves 3,825 for the entire rest of the nation, or about 75 deaths per state. That is an average because some States have much higher rates than others. For example, California had 1,169 and Alabama had 1.
Now, who has the strictest gun laws by far? California, of course, but understand, so it is not guns causing this. It is a crime rate spawned by the number of criminal persons residing in those cities and states. So if all cities and states are not created equally, then there must be something other than the tool causing the gun deaths.
Are 5,100 deaths per year horrific? How about in comparison to other deaths? All death is sad and especially so when it is in the commission of a crime but that is the nature of crime. Robbery, death, rape, assault all is done by criminals and thinking that criminals will obey laws is ludicrous. That's why they are criminals.
But what about other deaths each year?
• 40,000+ die from a drug overdose–THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THAT!
• 36,000 people die per year from the flu, far exceeding the criminal gun deaths
• 34,000 people die per year in traffic fatalities(exceeding gun deaths even if you include suicide)
Now it gets good:
• 200,000+ people die each year (and growing) from preventable medical errors. You are safer in Chicago than when you are in a hospital!
• 710,000 people die per year from heart disease. It’s time to stop the double cheeseburgers! So what is the point? If Obama and the anti-gun movement focused their attention on heart disease, even a 10% decrease in cardiac deaths would save twice the number of lives annually of all gun-related deaths (including suicide, law enforcement, etc.). A 10% reduction in medical errors would be 66% of the total gun deaths or 4 times the number of criminal homicides......Simple, easily preventable 10% reductions!
So you have to ask yourself, in the grand scheme of things, why the focus on guns? It's pretty simple.:
Taking away guns gives control to governments.
The founders of this nation knew that regardless of the form of government, those in power may become corrupt and seek to rule as the British did by trying to disarm the populace of the colonies. It is not difficult to understand that a disarmed populace is a controlled populace.
Thus, the second amendment was proudly and boldly included in the U.S. Constitution. It must be preserved at all costs.
So the next time someone tries to tell you that gun control is about saving lives, look at these facts and remember these words from Noah Webster: "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword, because the whole body of the people are armed and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States. A military force at the command of Congress can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power."

https://www.facebook.com/groups/nragroup/permalink/1544477055651509/

[Gavin_Sons]

Clipped from a NRA post

There are 30,000 gun related deaths per year by firearms, and this number is not disputed. U.S. population 324,059,091 as of Wednesday, June 22, 2016. Do the math: 0.00925% of the population dies from gun related actions each year. Statistically speaking, this is insignificant! What is never told, however, is a breakdown of those 30,000 deaths, to put them in perspective as compared to other causes of death:
• 65% of those deaths are by suicide which would never be prevented by gun laws
• 15% are by law enforcement in the line of duty and justified
• 17% are through criminal activity, gang and drug related or mentally ill persons – gun violence
• 3% are accidental discharge deaths
So technically, "gun violence" is not 30,000 annually, but drops to 5,100. Still too many? Well, first, how are those deaths spanned across the nation?
• 480 homicides (9.4%) were in Chicago
• 344 homicides (6.7%) were in Baltimore
• 333 homicides (6.5%) were in Detroit
• 119 homicides (2.3%) were in Washington D.C. (a 54% increase over prior years)
So basically, 25% of all gun crime happens in just 4 cities. All 4 of those cities have strict gun laws, so it is not the lack of law that is the root cause.
This basically leaves 3,825 for the entire rest of the nation, or about 75 deaths per state. That is an average because some States have much higher rates than others. For example, California had 1,169 and Alabama had 1.
Now, who has the strictest gun laws by far? California, of course, but understand, so it is not guns causing this. It is a crime rate spawned by the number of criminal persons residing in those cities and states. So if all cities and states are not created equally, then there must be something other than the tool causing the gun deaths.
Are 5,100 deaths per year horrific? How about in comparison to other deaths? All death is sad and especially so when it is in the commission of a crime but that is the nature of crime. Robbery, death, rape, assault all is done by criminals and thinking that criminals will obey laws is ludicrous. That's why they are criminals.
But what about other deaths each year?
• 40,000+ die from a drug overdose–THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THAT!
• 36,000 people die per year from the flu, far exceeding the criminal gun deaths
• 34,000 people die per year in traffic fatalities(exceeding gun deaths even if you include suicide)
Now it gets good:
• 200,000+ people die each year (and growing) from preventable medical errors. You are safer in Chicago than when you are in a hospital!
• 710,000 people die per year from heart disease. It’s time to stop the double cheeseburgers! So what is the point? If Obama and the anti-gun movement focused their attention on heart disease, even a 10% decrease in cardiac deaths would save twice the number of lives annually of all gun-related deaths (including suicide, law enforcement, etc.). A 10% reduction in medical errors would be 66% of the total gun deaths or 4 times the number of criminal homicides......Simple, easily preventable 10% reductions!
So you have to ask yourself, in the grand scheme of things, why the focus on guns? It's pretty simple.:
Taking away guns gives control to governments.
The founders of this nation knew that regardless of the form of government, those in power may become corrupt and seek to rule as the British did by trying to disarm the populace of the colonies. It is not difficult to understand that a disarmed populace is a controlled populace.
Thus, the second amendment was proudly and boldly included in the U.S. Constitution. It must be preserved at all costs.
So the next time someone tries to tell you that gun control is about saving lives, look at these facts and remember these words from Noah Webster: "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword, because the whole body of the people are armed and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States. A military force at the command of Congress can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power."

https://www.facebook.com/groups/nragroup/permalink/1544477055651509/

Oh no you didn't...... How dare you post facts and common sense. The Liberals will never believe it. Arguing with a Liberal is like arguing with a liar. Yeah i know same thing. They will never believe the truth even if you draw a picture for them and hold it in front of their faces.

[Varmintmist]

Well Peter wanted to be rational. So I figure that since I am not a liberal I will give him a fair shot at it. He can learn what he is talking about and still be anti second amendment which I can respect if he has a reasoned argument, or remain ignorant, willfully and be a mouthpiece for propagandists which deserves no respect.

[LBValk]

""""Not likely.  People will be educated only when they are interested in being educated otherwise by their own choice they will remain ignorant.""""

IMO that is the real problem today!

[Bighead]

Respectfully disagree. Teachers carrying guns is a bad idea. My wife is a teacher and having her learn warfare techniques as part of her job description is unfathomable. Automatic weapons have no utility except for the purpose for which they are made - for soldiers at war.  The victims of careless gun control are our kids and it's heartening to see they are doing something about it. None of you may be targets but your kids sure are...and yet you still won't budge on simple background checks, age limits, automatic weapon restrictions and other common sense measures to try and get the US from being the most dangerous nation in the world when it comes to firearms.

I know my views are not going far on a motorcycle site...but I'm curious what the reaction will be to what I'm trying to convey in a rational manner.
Peter

Peter you are waaaay out in left field dude.....there are already back ground checks ( ON EVERY GUN SOLD)

Incorrect  

Ok every legally sold gun from a dealer ( not private sales which is legal )unless you shouldnt own or buy a gun in he first place.. You are so fn blind to the problem......i have many guns i could sell for cash ......how will you stop that ?????? You cant. This just goes back to the saying when guns are outlawed only outlaws will own guns.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Respectfully disagree. Teachers carrying guns is a bad idea. My wife is a teacher and having her learn warfare techniques as part of her job description is unfathomable. Automatic weapons have no utility except for the purpose for which they are made - for soldiers at war.  The victims of careless gun control are our kids and it's heartening to see they are doing something about it. None of you may be targets but your kids sure are...and yet you still won't budge on simple background checks, age limits, automatic weapon restrictions and other common sense measures to try and get the US from being the most dangerous nation in the world when it comes to firearms.

I know my views are not going far on a motorcycle site...but I'm curious what the reaction will be to what I'm trying to convey in a rational manner.
Peter

Peter you are waaaay out in left field dude.....there are already back ground checks ( ON EVERY GUN SOLD)

Incorrect 

Ok every legally sold gun from a dealer. You are so fn blind to the problem......i have many guns i could sell for cash ......how will you stop that ?????? You cant. This just goes back to the saying when guns are outlawed only outlaws will own guns.

Why do you think I would want to stop you from selling your guns ? Blind to the problem ? I was merely correcting your misstatement, nothing more.

[Jess from VA]

Gentlemen.  Please.  Let's try to keep it civil.  

Let's argue the issues, not with each other.

This has been a good and informative thread.  

(If you don't like someone, don't talk to them.)

[The emperor has no clothes]

Gentlemen.  Please.  Let's try to keep it civil.  

Let's argue the issues, not with each other.

This has been a good and informative thread.  

(If you don't like someone, don't talk to them.)

I thought Bighead and I were alright. We haven't had any issues in some time. I've been wrong before though. 

[solo1]

Thanks everyone for a relatively reasonable and lively debate. Wow! lots of responses.

I've had five responses online in the News Sentinel, all positive, one from a VRCC'r here. I expected opposing but so far, none.