Black female leaders criticize Pelosi, Schumer for 'failure to protect' Waters

[Robert]

This is a real issue not only for the Democrats but for everyone as well. For them not to see that free speech does not include inciting violence we do have a serious problem. These are individuals that represent not only our government but people in their districts.

I guess the day when speaking eloquently and a certain decorum is dead and anything to get to where you want to be is ok. I think this is one of the saddest and concerning things I have seen. For them not to see the destructiveness of their actions is very disturbing.



Black female leaders criticize Pelosi, Schumer for 'failure to protect' Waters

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/04/black-female-leaders-waters-pelosi-schumer-trump-693967

“We write to share our profound indignation and deep disappointment over your recent failure to protect Congresswoman Waters from unwarranted attacks from the Trump Administration and others in the GOP,” the women wrote in a letter sent Tuesday. “That failure was further compounded by your decision to unfairly deride her as being ‘uncivil‘ and ‘un-American.‘“

“In doing so, we believe this mischaracterizes her call to action for peaceful democratic assembly and the exercise of her constitutional rights to free speech in support of defenseless immigrant children and their families,” the letter continued.

[The emperor has no clothes]

It is heartening to see you care for fairness in the Democratic Caucus.

[f6john]

In the famous words of Woodrow F. Call, “I hate rude behavior in a man. I won’t tolorate it.”  That should apply to Democrats, Republicans, Presidents, and Congresspersons along with the public at large. When it comes to our elected officials and most assuredly our group it’s like a bunch of kids in a sandbox and who threw sand in someone’s eye first.

[Jess from VA]

The way we used to protect crazy people was to institutionalize them. 

After a commitment hearing. 

Not to take their side and go public in support of their craziness.

From the article ........... In doing so, we believe this mischaracterizes her call to action for peaceful democratic assembly

I don't think that's what she said. 



 

[Robert]

It is heartening to see you care for fairness in the Democratic Caucus.

I guess a government official endorsing violence and then others saying its free speech is ok to you. This is what that kind of endorsement gets. That is why its disturbing, personally I wouldn't have taken that and we would have a real issue. Then I would sue the Waters and the Democrats for endorsing violence.

Random Stranger Takes Kid’s MAGA Hat, Then Tosses Drink On Him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKkmFueXhyE

[The emperor has no clothes]

It is heartening to see you care for fairness in the Democratic Caucus.

I guess a government official endorsing violence and then others saying its free speech is ok to you. This is what that kind of endorsement gets. That is why its disturbing, personally I wouldn't have taken that and we would have a real issue. Then I would sue the Waters and the Democrats for endorsing violence.

Random Stranger Takes Kid’s MAGA Hat, Then Tosses Drink On Him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3llrQD7iLZI

“Let’s make sure we show up wherever we have to show up,” she said at a rally in Los Angeles on Saturday. “And if you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd. And you push back on them. And you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere.”


While it is a very stupid and counter productive strategy, how you can interpret this as endorsing violence is rediculous . But, I wouldn't expect anything less from you. 

[Robert]

And you push back on them. And you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere.”


While it is a very stupid and counter productive strategy, how you can interpret this as endorsing violence is rediculous . But, I wouldn't expect anything less from you. 

Nor would I expect anything more from you so let me explain it for you. Define, Push Back what does that exactly mean, what does it mean to each person, especially to one with a chip on their shoulder? What does in mean when in a rally shes screaming push back or verbally attacking the president, his admin, or even people.

What if you and I are in a restaurant and I tell you you are not welcome here, I bet that would go over well. Or like you said I bet you would just walk out.

[The emperor has no clothes]

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=push%20back

I suppose it could be definition #2. But, I'm pretty sure #3 applies here. 

[The emperor has no clothes]

And you push back on them. And you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere.”


While it is a very stupid and counter productive strategy, how you can interpret this as endorsing violence is rediculous . But, I wouldn't expect anything less from you. 

Nor would I expect anything more from you so let me explain it for you. Define, Push Back what does that exactly mean, what does it mean to each person, especially to one with a chip on their shoulder? What does in mean when in a rally shes screaming push back or verbally attacking the president, his admin, or even people.

Like this ?

https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000004269364/trump-and-violence.html

[Robert]

And you push back on them. And you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere.”


While it is a very stupid and counter productive strategy, how you can interpret this as endorsing violence is rediculous . But, I wouldn't expect anything less from you. 

Nor would I expect anything more from you so let me explain it for you. Define, Push Back what does that exactly mean, what does it mean to each person, especially to one with a chip on their shoulder? What does in mean when in a rally shes screaming push back or verbally attacking the president, his admin, or even people.

Like this ?

https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000004269364/trump-and-violence.html

This is from the video so you posted it.

Donald J. Trump has appealed to the raw anger of voters and encouraged crowds at rallies to use force against protesters who are disruptive.

What its not

People who are sitting at restaurants minding their own business and being attacked for nothing but wearing a hat.
Antifa who walk up to people who can legally protest and hitting them
People in assembly and others disrupt the whole thing

Just to name a few incidents since you seem to have grasped you lost the first point and now are trying the blame game.

push back : the action of forcing an object backward or

1. To move or force something backward by applying pressure: Push that glass back from the edge of the table. The police managed to push back the protestors by using tear gas.

[The emperor has no clothes]

  right

[f6john]

Here we are back on the school yard. What Maxine said is what she said. It’s on tape and we don’t have to add to it or take away from it to get some meaning. What we should realize by now is that speech used by Maxine and others can have unintended circumstances and outcomes. What we might call push back and how a group of people with an axe to grind could be totally different.

[G-Man]

Here we are back on the school yard. What Maxine said is what she said. It’s on tape and we don’t have to add to it or take away from it to get some meaning. What we should realize by now is that speech used by Maxine and others can have unintended circumstances and outcomes. What we might call push back and how a group of people with an axe to grind could be totally different.

I disagree.  It should be added to the vile things she's said before.  For example, "The TEA Party Can Go Straight To Hell!" 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzVKQCnLJns

Her words should be gathered up and used to demonstrate what a degenerate of a person she is. 

Just my opinion.

[Wizzard]

Here we are back on the school yard. What Maxine said is what she said. It’s on tape and we don’t have to add to it or take away from it to get some meaning. What we should realize by now is that speech used by Maxine and others can have unintended circumstances and outcomes. What we might call push back and how a group of people with an axe to grind could be totally different.

I disagree.  It should be added to the vile things she's said before.  For example, "The TEA Party Can Go Straight To Hell!" 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzVKQCnLJns

Her words should be gathered up and used to demonstrate what a degenerate of a person she is. 

Just my opinion.

Agreed 100% 

[f6john]

You guys astoundme sometimes, she said what she said, everything she says every time is included in the record. My point is it is very reckless of her and anyone else in the public eye to incite people who feel they have an axe to grind since she has no control of the outcome. The post was becoming about what she said vs what she meant, what she meant isn’t as important as how others could interpret her meaning.

[MAD6Gun]

Here we are back on the school yard. What Maxine said is what she said. It’s on tape and we don’t have to add to it or take away from it to get some meaning. What we should realize by now is that speech used by Maxine and others can have unintended circumstances and outcomes. What we might call push back and how a group of people with an axe to grind could be totally different.

I disagree.  It should be added to the vile things she's said before.  For example, "The TEA Party Can Go Straight To Hell!" 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzVKQCnLJns

Her words should be gathered up and used to demonstrate what a degenerate of a person she is. 

Just my opinion.

Agreed 100% 

 Gary not just your opinion it is mine as well. Waters is a mindless twit. She should be thrown out of office.

 Meathead you are dead wrong. She may not have come out and said commit violence towards the Trump cabinet but her base is a stick of dynamite and she lit the fuse. This is exactly the kind of leftist rhetoric BS that got Rep Steve Scale and others shot on that ball field.

[The emperor has no clothes]

So Waters uses the term “pushback” and she is inciting violence. Trump says “knock the hell out them” and he is just defending his base ? Like I said it is an incredibly stupid tactic she is promoting. Encouraging violence, I don’t see it. By your analogy Trump incited that dude to run down the lady in Charlottesville.

[Serk]

So Waters uses the term “pushback” and she is inciting violence. Trump says “knock the hell out them” and he is just defending his base ? Like I said it is an incredibly stupid tactic she is promoting. Encouraging violence, I don’t see it. By your analogy Trump incited that dude to run down the lady in Charlottesville.

The difference between Trump's "knock the hell out of them" and Rep. Waters "pushback" is that he was advocating against people who had come into a Trump rally and intentionally were being disruptive to the event vs. Rep Waters advocating that people be harassed who are just out and going about their lives.

It's the same difference as saying you should beat the hell (Or worse) out of a burgular who has just broken into your home vs. advocating violence against someone on the street because you don't approve of their hair style.

[Psychotic Bovine]

So Waters uses the term “pushback” and she is inciting violence. Trump says “knock the hell out them” and he is just defending his base ? Like I said it is an incredibly stupid tactic she is promoting. Encouraging violence, I don’t see it. By your analogy Trump incited that dude to run down the lady in Charlottesville.

Actually, Dodge is liable here.  They made a car (Dodge Challenger) with way more horsepower than needed and they didn't care who they sold it to.
In fact, their ads show these cars being driven in an illegal manner, smoking tires and such, clearly encouraging people to drive in a reckless and dangerous manner.

[Gavin_Sons]

So Waters uses the term “pushback” and she is inciting violence. Trump says “knock the hell out them” and he is just defending his base ? Like I said it is an incredibly stupid tactic she is promoting. Encouraging violence, I don’t see it. By your analogy Trump incited that dude to run down the lady in Charlottesville.

The difference between Trump's "knock the hell out of them" and Rep. Waters "pushback" is that he was advocating against people who had come into a Trump rally and intentionally were being disruptive to the event vs. Rep Waters advocating that people be harassed who are just out and going about their lives.

It's the same difference as saying you should beat the hell (Or worse) out of a burgular who has just broken into your home vs. advocating violence against someone on the street because you don't approve of their hair style.

don't expect some to understand this simple logic.

[The emperor has no clothes]

So Waters uses the term “pushback” and she is inciting violence. Trump says “knock the hell out them” and he is just defending his base ? Like I said it is an incredibly stupid tactic she is promoting. Encouraging violence, I don’t see it. By your analogy Trump incited that dude to run down the lady in Charlottesville.

The difference between Trump's "knock the hell out of them" and Rep. Waters "pushback" is that he was advocating against people who had come into a Trump rally and intentionally were being disruptive to the event vs. Rep Waters advocating that people be harassed who are just out and going about their lives.

It's the same difference as saying you should beat the hell (Or worse) out of a burgular who has just broken into your home vs. advocating violence against someone on the street because you don't approve of their hair style.

I don’t agree with her strategy. I think it just riles up the other side, and does little to help the “liberal cause”. But to equate Trumps clear message of violence to her pushback is rediculous. I don’t think it’s wise to protest at a Trump rally. I KNOW ITS NOT WISE TO TELL YOUR FOLLOWERS TO KNOCK THE HELL OUT OF THEM. Seems to be a double standard .

[czuch]

They bring a knife, we bring a gun.
Got it.
Elections have consequences.
Get it!

[Robert]

One is done offensively, the other defensively.

Waters and followers offensively, start the trouble, without justification.  

Trump in a campaign and Waters people disrupt, Trumps base attending campaign act defensively.

A stand-your-ground law (sometimes called "line in the sand" or "no duty to retreat" law) is a justification in a criminal case, whereby defendants can "stand their ground" and use force without retreating, in order to protect and defend themselves or others against threats or perceived threats.

This law is a defensive law that gives the people the right to act offensively.

Here in Florida that soda would not have gotten tossed and if it was the reaction would be probably be justified since that is an assault.

Just as a reminder, Judges threw out Trumps travel ban not on legal grounds but on the fact that they said Trump was prejudice and therefore had bias.

I wonder if there is a riot and someone says Maxine encouraged this, with the Ninth Circuit ruling by judges against Trumps travel ban what are they going to say.

[Serk]

Here in Florida that soda would not have gotten tossed and if it was the reaction would be probably be justified since that is an assault.

The Republic of Texas has very strong stand your ground laws (Where this attack occurred.)
I think the kids were just so utterly stunned and flummoxed by the assault they didn't even think to react. That, and even though there were 2-3 of 'em, it was some kids against a 30 year old adult male (I refuse to call him a 'man' in this context.)

(I'm making the assumption your comment was in reference to the assault of the MAGA wearing kids in a Whataburger, if not I apologize.)

[Wizzard]

Here in Florida that soda would not have gotten tossed and if it was the reaction would be probably be justified since that is an assault.

The Republic of Texas has very strong stand your ground laws (Where this attack occurred.)
I think the kids were just so utterly stunned and flummoxed by the assault they didn't even think to react. That, and even though there were 2-3 of 'em, it was some kids against a 30 year old adult male (I refuse to call him a 'man' in this context.)

(I'm making the assumption your comment was in reference to the assault of the MAGA wearing kids in a Whataburger, if not I apologize.)

I would think given how wide spread this video is that the guy should not be hard to track down. I think the teens were just plain scared.

[Serk]

I would think given how wide spread this video is that the guy should not be hard to track down. I think the teens were just plain scared.

Kino Ahuitzotl Jimenez has indeed been tracked down, lost his job, kicked out of his political party (The Greens) and the victim is pressing assault charges.

[Robert]

 

We need more of this.

I don't remember any of this kind of violence or not serving members of Obama admin. 

[old2soon]

It WILL come down to-sorry to say-the hat T-shirt glasses jeans shoes haircut P Od me so I shot her/him. THAT gonna be TRULY the scary part. RIDE SAFE.

[¿spoom]

I would think given how wide spread this video is that the guy should not be hard to track down. I think the teens were just plain scared.

Kino Ahuitzotl Jimenez has indeed been tracked down, lost his job, kicked out of his political party (The Greens) and the victim is pressing assault charges.

Good, and if I were Maxine Waters, Good Start...

[Jess from VA]

Not only assault, but strong arm robbery (unarmed, but with force).  

He took his hat by force, and left with it.  It seemed to be the main purpose of the assault.

Any value is sufficient to constitute robbery/larceny.  (Though higher values can increase the sentence max.)

I'll bet there's even a video.  

His 2 minutes of fame.  

(If he burned the hat (as promised), add malicious destruction of property)

Another Maxine Waters School for Hateful Conduct graduate.

[Serk]

I'll bet there's even a video.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuy2j10Rtks

(Language warning for those who aren't used to the typical vocabulary of anti-Trump "Resistors")

[Gavin_Sons]

Better make sure he is here legally.

[John Schmidt]

There is no comparison re. Trump's remark and Waters slobbering idiotic ranting. As stated, Trump's statement was that of a defensive nature, not one made to start something. As for Waters, as usual her ranting shows her intellect to be close room temperature....giving her the benefit of doubt there. With all the posturing in a failed effort to compare the two different statements made....Trump vs. Waters....you know very well what Waters meant by her ranting without her coming right out and stating it. I don't know if she was censured or not but last I heard it was at least being considered. That tells the real story....she meant to create trouble via harassment, both verbal and physical, and it was frowned upon by her own party. As for those that sent the letter to Pelosi and Schumer, they're all in good company. Pelosi is a known souse and has probably pickled her brain by now judging by some of her comments. Schumer....look up the word "bloviate" in the dictionary and you'll see his picture next to it. Waters, a loudmouth slobbering fool speaking to her lemmings. Nice bunch of folk. 

[G-Man]

So Waters uses the term “pushback” and she is inciting violence. Trump says “knock the hell out them” and he is just defending his base ? Like I said it is an incredibly stupid tactic she is promoting. Encouraging violence, I don’t see it. By your analogy Trump incited that dude to run down the lady in Charlottesville.

Actually, Dodge is liable here.  They made a car (Dodge Challenger) with way more horsepower than needed and they didn't care who they sold it to.
In fact, their ads show these cars being driven in an illegal manner, smoking tires and such, clearly encouraging people to drive in a reckless and dangerous manner.

Hey, I resemble that remark!!!

[G-Man]

"....get out and you create a crowd and you push back on them, and you tell them they're not welcome anymore, anywhere."

If you are defending this in any way, shape, or form, here or anywhere, you are publicly making a fool of yourself.



 

[f6john]

"....get out and you create a crowd and you push back on them, and you tell them they're not welcome anymore, anywhere."

If you are defending this in any way, shape, or form, here or anywhere, you are publicly making a fool of yourself.



 

Agreed and yet, we defend her right to say it, and worse. Of course there are consequences for our words, but in Maxine’s case her constituents would probably re-elect her tomorrow.

[G-Man]

Yep.  They sure will.

Marion Barry was caught smoking crack in a motel room with a prostitute and they voted him back in.  For some reason, folks in the poorest communities are convinced that if they stay with the same political representatives, eventually they'll get what they need.

Famous words "What have you got to lose?"

[Psychotic Bovine]

So Waters uses the term “pushback” and she is inciting violence. Trump says “knock the hell out them” and he is just defending his base ? Like I said it is an incredibly stupid tactic she is promoting. Encouraging violence, I don’t see it. By your analogy Trump incited that dude to run down the lady in Charlottesville.

Actually, Dodge is liable here.  They made a car (Dodge Challenger) with way more horsepower than needed and they didn't care who they sold it to.
In fact, their ads show these cars being driven in an illegal manner, smoking tires and such, clearly encouraging people to drive in a reckless and dangerous manner.

Hey, I resemble that remark!!!

Well, I am certainly guilty of that, as well.
I have also ran with scissors and have taken the "do not remove" tag off of my mattress.

[Robert]

Judicial watch files a ethics suit against Maxine Waters and expresses the same sentiment many did here with a few exceptions.

Good and about time, Tom Fitton, says the House must hold Waters accountable and says its a dangerous situation that Waters is setting people up for and the increased cost to the US taxpayers should not be happening.

Ethics complaint filed against Maxine Waters

https://youtu.be/I8F8rCJhVM4

[bludragon]

Only reason I can see why Nancy and Chuck are not protecting Waters is because theycan't stand her. She is dragging the Democrats into the sewer.