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Can't fit a standard Shiner Bock beer can over a Fram oil filter... A mistake I will NOT be making again...  |
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« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2018, 08:08:21 PM » |
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Start drinking Fosters.
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« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2018, 08:15:45 PM » |
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Start drinking Fosters.
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Not a fan of Canadian beer... =\ |
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« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2018, 08:23:07 PM » |
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Start drinking Fosters.
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Not a fan of Canadian beer... =\ Good because it is Australian.  |
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« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2018, 08:30:50 PM » |
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Start drinking Fosters.
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Not a fan of Canadian beer... =\ Good because it is Australian. Not if you buy it in the USA or Canada... then it's Canadian. In Canada and Brazil, Foster's is brewed by Molson Canada and Brasil Kirin under licence from Foster's Brewing International. ... gotta read the fine print.  |
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« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2018, 09:27:27 PM » |
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Start drinking Fosters.
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Not a fan of Canadian beer... =\ Good because it is Australian. Not if you buy it in the USA or Canada... then it's Canadian. In Canada and Brazil, Foster's is brewed by Molson Canada and Brasil Kirin under licence from Foster's Brewing International. ... gotta read the fine print. Canadian beer too strong for ya I guess?  This guy's been there for about 8 years... has taken a beating, but I cut it a little longer and fit some rigid Styrofoam in the end to help protect the filter. Not a huge beer drinker and Molson's not my preference by any means, but I liked the old Maple Leaf can they had back then... |
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« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2018, 03:13:06 AM » |
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Can't fit a standard Shiner Bock beer can over a Fram oil filter... A mistake I will NOT be making again... So, you're not going to buy Shiner Bock anymore !?  A PBR can still fits just fine. |
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« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2018, 04:28:35 AM » |
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Can't fit a standard Shiner Bock beer can over a Fram oil filter... A mistake I will NOT be making again... So, you're not going to buy Shiner Bock anymore !? A PBR can still fits just fine. I 2nd the motion of a PBR can |
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« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2018, 04:32:47 AM » |
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Not a fan of fram oil filters.
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« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2018, 04:39:22 AM » |
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Canadian beer too strong for ya I guess? There's only one thing I hate more than lying, and that's Canadian beer; that's lying about being beer. So, you're not going to buy Shiner Bock anymore !? A PBR can still fits just fine. Shiner cans fit perfectly on Honda OEM filters... I've had a Shiner beer can on my oil filter for 10+ years now. My Interstate feels oddly naked now that the oil filter isn't covered! ...not sure I could lower myself to using a PBR can though, even if it did fit. I seriously considered stopping the oil change and waiting until I could get another Honda filter just because of the beer can... Not a fan of fram oil filters.
Neither am I now, since my preferred beer can doesn't fit!  I normally use Honda OEM, but it was a Sunday, I was at Wal Mart, they had the oil I use, I needed to change the oil on my new-to-me Valkyrie, I had some free time to do the oil change, and the temperature was under 100 degrees, so I went with what was available... Won't make that mistake again! |
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« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2018, 04:40:03 AM » |
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Start drinking Fosters.
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Not a fan of Canadian beer... =\ Good because it is Australian. Not if you buy it in the USA or Canada... then it's Canadian. In Canada and Brazil, Foster's is brewed by Molson Canada and Brasil Kirin under licence from Foster's Brewing International. ... gotta read the fine print. Canadian beer too strong for ya I guess? This guy's been there for about 8 years... has taken a beating, but I cut it a little longer and fit some rigid Styrofoam in the end to help protect the filter. Not a huge beer drinker and Molson's not my preference by any means, but I liked the old Maple Leaf can they had back then... Them Texans don't know good beer. Hell, he probably still drinks Lone Star. Love me some Molson Golden  |
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« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2018, 05:02:25 AM » |
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Now I'll have to see if my favorite can will fit... https://capecodbeer.com/Particularly fond of the red.  |
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« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2018, 05:10:27 AM » |
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Serk,
Time to go on line and order a couple of filters so they are on hand and readily available so that this travesty is never repeated. I've noticed with 2 valks, I go through oil filters quite often.
BTW my bikes also follow the "show 'em where you live(d)" philosophy so the preferred adornment is Yuengling or Iron City.
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« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2018, 05:28:37 AM » |
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Serk,
Time to go on line and order a couple of filters so they are on hand and readily available so that this travesty is never repeated. I've noticed with 2 valks, I go through oil filters quite often.
BTW my bikes also follow the "show 'em where you live(d)" philosophy so the preferred adornment is Yuengling or Iron Arn City.
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« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2018, 05:53:30 AM » |
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Here's some interesting beer trivia I heard. Since Bud, Coors, and Miller are now all owned by foreign companies, Pabst is currently the largest American owned brewery.
The brewing industry has changed enormously over the last few decades. I attended the first Great American Beer Festival in 1982. Back then, it was held in a fairly small hotel ballroom an a hotel in Boulder, Colorado. Only 22 brewers participated. Today 60,000 people attend to sample beer from 800 brewers.
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« Reply #16 on: August 10, 2018, 06:17:48 AM » |
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Serk,
Time to go on line and order a couple of filters so they are on hand and readily available so that this travesty is never repeated. I've noticed with 2 valks, I go through oil filters quite often.
Just ordered a 4 pack of Honda OEM filters off eBay... |
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« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2018, 06:42:25 AM » |
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Serk, you need to take a look on Youtube at Fram being compared to a "good" filter. It appears you'd be better off using one of mama' panty hose for a filter than using a Fram. I understand it really messes up the panty hose though so mama won't be able to use them again. |
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« Reply #18 on: August 10, 2018, 07:05:20 AM » |
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Why are you using those crappy fram filters?
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« Reply #19 on: August 10, 2018, 08:02:52 AM » |
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There's a check valve in Honda filters that is supposed to route the oil around it at first when starting up. IIRC. Going with cheaper filter brands to me is false economy - the bike is WAY more expensive and it's worth getting the best filter. Hell ya only change it every several thousand miles. I generally go 5k because it's simple math and I'm using Mobil1 which lasts far longer than 5k. I don't use a filter cover but that's just me. There's plenty of other pretty, shiny things to admire on the bike. Maybe I should. JS.
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« Reply #20 on: August 10, 2018, 08:25:42 AM » |
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There's a check valve in Honda filters that is supposed to route the oil around it at first when starting up. IIRC. Going with cheaper filter brands to me is false economy - the bike is WAY more expensive and it's worth getting the best filter. Hell ya only change it every several thousand miles. I generally go 5k because it's simple math and I'm using Mobil1 which lasts far longer than 5k. I don't use a filter cover but that's just me. There's plenty of other pretty, shiny things to admire on the bike. Maybe I should. JS.
Why would you want the oil to go around the filter on startup? Doesn't seem like a good idea to me. I wonder how a check valve works to bypass the filter temporarily on startup if you wanted to do that, got any idea??  Are Honda filters the best available? |
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« Reply #21 on: August 10, 2018, 09:11:58 AM » |
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There's a check valve in Honda filters that is supposed to route the oil around it at first when starting up. IIRC. Going with cheaper filter brands to me is false economy - the bike is WAY more expensive and it's worth getting the best filter. Hell ya only change it every several thousand miles. I generally go 5k because it's simple math and I'm using Mobil1 which lasts far longer than 5k. I don't use a filter cover but that's just me. There's plenty of other pretty, shiny things to admire on the bike. Maybe I should. JS.
It's a pressure valve. You have to get to a certain oil pressure for the valve to open. Why would you want the oil to go around the filter on startup? Doesn't seem like a good idea to me. I wonder how a check valve works to bypass the filter temporarily on startup if you wanted to do that, got any idea?? Are Honda filters the best available? |
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« Reply #22 on: August 10, 2018, 09:15:48 AM » |
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Just about every oil filter on the market has both an anti drainback valve and a relief (or bypass) valve. The anti drainback valve keeps oil in the filter when the engine is shut off. This helps get the oil flowing faster at startup. This valve isn't really needed on filters mounted under the engine (with the opening on top) as oil won't drain out in this position.
The relief valve opens to bypass the filter element when it gets clogged, since dirty oil is better than no oil at all.
For years I've heard dealers claim that their brand of filter has some special valve that the aftermarket filters lack. A Toyota dealer told me that when I bought a truck back in the '80s. It's hard to believe the aftermarket guys would be in business for long making filters lacking such important features. Remember, these aftermarket filter companies manufacture all the OEM filters anyway.
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There's a check valve in Honda filters that is supposed to route the oil around it at first when starting up. IIRC. Going with cheaper filter brands to me is false economy - the bike is WAY more expensive and it's worth getting the best filter. Hell ya only change it every several thousand miles. I generally go 5k because it's simple math and I'm using Mobil1 which lasts far longer than 5k. I don't use a filter cover but that's just me. There's plenty of other pretty, shiny things to admire on the bike. Maybe I should. JS.
Why would you want the oil to go around the filter on startup? Doesn't seem like a good idea to me. I wonder how a check valve works to bypass the filter temporarily on startup if you wanted to do that, got any idea?? Are Honda filters the best available? Right. I'm sure you know better than Honda engineers. I'll be sure to get your advice on such matters instead of Honda's. Good idea to get the cheapest filters I can find. Or why bother to change the filter at all, that will save a buck or 2 on filters. |
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There's a check valve in Honda filters that is supposed to route the oil around it at first when starting up. IIRC. Going with cheaper filter brands to me is false economy - the bike is WAY more expensive and it's worth getting the best filter. Hell ya only change it every several thousand miles. I generally go 5k because it's simple math and I'm using Mobil1 which lasts far longer than 5k. I don't use a filter cover but that's just me. There's plenty of other pretty, shiny things to admire on the bike. Maybe I should. JS.
Why would you want the oil to go around the filter on startup? Doesn't seem like a good idea to me. I wonder how a check valve works to bypass the filter temporarily on startup if you wanted to do that, got any idea?? Are Honda filters the best available? Right. I'm sure you know better than Honda engineers. I'll be sure to get your advice on such matters instead of Honda's. Good idea to get the cheapest filters I can find. Or why bother to change the filter at all, that will save a buck or 2 on filters. I didn't find any answers to my questions in your sarcastic rant!  |
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Can't fit a standard Shiner Bock beer can over a Fram oil filter... A mistake I will NOT be making again... And the Big question I thought we all would have wanted to know is, how many beers did it take before you figured out it wouldn't fit? I suppose the fit got worse as the beer cans got tried out. Canadian beer too strong for ya I guess? There's only one thing I hate more than lying, and that's Canadian beer; that's lying about being beer. Them there sounds like fighting words! But then, I don't like most major generic brands of beer, I like the smaller craft brews better. Ones that actually have a flavour to them, usually end up with IPA, but also like those that toast the barley first. |
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« Reply #26 on: August 10, 2018, 02:03:09 PM » |
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Serk,
Time to go on line and order a couple of filters so they are on hand and readily available so that this travesty is never repeated. I've noticed with 2 valks, I go through oil filters quite often.
BTW my bikes also follow the "show 'em where you live(d)" philosophy so the preferred adornment is Yuengling or Iron Arn City.
FIFYinz......lol That IS the correct pronunciation, remember I haven't lived in the burgh for 35 years. I lost my accent. |
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« Reply #27 on: August 10, 2018, 06:24:21 PM » |
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Serk,
Time to go on line and order a couple of filters so they are on hand and readily available so that this travesty is never repeated. I've noticed with 2 valks, I go through oil filters quite often.
BTW my bikes also follow the "show 'em where you live(d)" philosophy so the preferred adornment is Yuengling or Iron Arn City.
FIFYinz......lol That IS the correct pronunciation, remember I haven't lived in the burgh for 35 years. I lost my accent. |
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There's a check valve in Honda filters that is supposed to route the oil around it at first when starting up. IIRC. Going with cheaper filter brands to me is false economy - the bike is WAY more expensive and it's worth getting the best filter. Hell ya only change it every several thousand miles. I generally go 5k because it's simple math and I'm using Mobil1 which lasts far longer than 5k. I don't use a filter cover but that's just me. There's plenty of other pretty, shiny things to admire on the bike. Maybe I should. JS.
Why would you want the oil to go around the filter on startup? Doesn't seem like a good idea to me. I wonder how a check valve works to bypass the filter temporarily on startup if you wanted to do that, got any idea?? Are Honda filters the best available? Right. I'm sure you know better than Honda engineers. I'll be sure to get your advice on such matters instead of Honda's. Good idea to get the cheapest filters I can find. Or why bother to change the filter at all, that will save a buck or 2 on filters. I didn't find any answers to my questions in your sarcastic rant! I'm not sure Honda's engineers have much to do with the design of the Valk's oil filter, other than specifying the overall dimensions, thread size, and bypass valve opening pressure. Since Honda's automotive oil filters are made by Filtech (Toyo Roki) and Fram, I assume their motorcycle filters are outsourced as well. The Valk's oil filter is far from unique. Filters with the same dimensions and a 14 PSI bypass valve are fitted to many other Hondas, lots of Kawasakis Yamahas and Victorys, not to mention Honda's Civic, several Mazdas, and a bunch of other cars. It wouldn't surprise me if the very same filter Honda dealers sell for over 10 bucks is sold elsewhere, with different labeling, for less money. As for the proprietary check valve, I've heard that too. But nobody has ever shown me any evidence that the Honda filter has anything other than the usual anti drainback and bypass valves. If anyone has evidence to the contrary I'd like to see it, and I will reevaluate my choice of filters. But for now I'm sticking with automotive filters. I've ridden my 2 Valks and 2 F6Bs about 325,000 miles, used dozens of automotive filters (and gallons of automotive Mobil 1 oil), and haven't had any engine problems. |
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Ive used the Fram MC filters for yrs. Prob for 100,000 miles and never a prob. They also said car tires don't belong on motorcycles. |
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« Reply #30 on: August 12, 2018, 07:16:25 AM » |
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Start drinking Fosters.
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Not a fan of Canadian beer... =\ The Fosters you get here is brewed in TEXAS |
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OK, I popped my last oil can to go with some burgers YUM so here's the proof. Brewed in Fort Worth TEXAS.  |
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OK, I popped my last oil can to go with some burgers YUM so here's the proof. Brewed in Fort Worth TEXAS.
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OK, I popped my last oil can to go with some burgers YUM so here's the proof. Brewed in Fort Worth TEXAS.
I'm genuinely torn between my Texan patriotism and sincere belief that all things Texan are superior to all things non-Texan, and my hatred of things pretending to be something they're not... Well, try the green oil can. It's good beer for cheap. |
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Besides. PBR is actually fewer by Miller. Pabst does not own any breweries......
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