Do you use Roundup?

[baldo]

Bees are killed by the hundreds of thousands. No bees, no food.

Odd...Dad raises several thousand bees on the farm. We spray our fields several times a yr. The hives are 30 yards from the field and yet they live.  ???

Yes it is quite odd. I think you should go buy some lottery tickets.....

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/what-is-killing-americas-bees-and-what-does-it-mean-for-us-41456/

https://www.newsweek.com/epa-bee-killing-pesticide-american-farmland-756130

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2167537-the-european-union-has-decided-to-ban-bee-killing-pesticides/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/05/26/third-nations-honeybee-colonies-died-last-year-why-you-should-care/348418001/

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/neonicotinoid-pesticides-slowly-killing-bees

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/are-pesticides-killing-off-honey-bees/

I read most of these. Couple took long time to load, so I didn't wait.
NONE referenced glyphosphate. Roundup.
As usual, the tree lovers, as yourself, lump ALL products together.
Every article you posted, that loaded, referenced INSECTICIDES! ALL.
INSECTICIDES kill insects.
HERBICIDES, such as glyphosphate, kill certain PLANTS.
Yet, you lump all together.

I have literally sprayed thousands of gallons of the concentrated industrial strength Roundup over the last several decades. All my neighbor farmers have too.
No bee kills. No insect kills. No cancer causation. None of this bull puckey.

You don't read the articles, yet you strike down my post....

Here are a couple more....they're short.

https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2018/04/13/neonicotinoids-glyphosate-may-impact-honeybees-ability-to-taste-and-learn-field-realistic-lab-study-claims/

https://foe.org/neonicotinoids-glyphosate/

There's lots of information out there if you're inclined to look and read.

I'm surprised at the panty twisting going on in this thread.  I've expressed a concern that these commercial chemicals are hazardous to our health, and I'm met with hostility....WTF?

[fudgie]

I guess grandpa had colon cancer and so did my dad. My uncle did the field spraying and he has no cancer.  ??? I might just go investigate how he applied it to the fields. 

[The emperor has no clothes]

I'm surprised at the panty twisting going on in this thread.  I've expressed a concern that these commercial chemicals are hazardous to our health, and I'm met with hostility....WTF?

uh....because you might be a pinko commie ? 

[MP]

I'm surprised at the panty twisting going on in this thread.  I've expressed a concern that these commercial chemicals are hazardous to our health, and I'm met with hostility....WTF?

uh....because you might be a pinko commie ? 

No. What "hostility" did I show?
I disagreed. I showed personal experience that disagreed.
That's now "hostility"?
Geez. Grow a pair.

[MP]

As Serk stated. How many people do you wish to starve?
Do away with commercial pesticides and fertilizers, as many on the left are espousing, a d food production will drop immediately by more than half. Probably  by 75% or more.
Will that kill more people than "possible, may, might" damage to bees?
Ya think?
I know what happens on my wheat field when fertilizer runs out just before the end of the pass. 5-10 bushels, instead of 40.
I know what happens when I drive too wide, and miss spraying. 10 bushel instead of 40.
You tell me yield if I did both on the same area?
5 bushels?
Zero?
But, it's ok. We are enviromentally safe!

[baldo]

I'm surprised at the panty twisting going on in this thread.  I've expressed a concern that these commercial chemicals are hazardous to our health, and I'm met with hostility....WTF?

uh....because you might be a pinko commie ? 

No. What "hostility" did I show?
I disagreed. I showed personal experience that disagreed.
That's now "hostility"?
Geez. Grow a pair.

You're right, hostility was the wrong word to use. I stand corrected.

But you know what you can do with that "grow a pair" comment......

[Beardo]

As Serk stated. How many people do you wish to starve?
Do away with commercial pesticides and fertilizers, as many on the left are espousing, a d food production will drop immediately by more than half. Probably  by 75% or more.
Will that kill more people than "possible, may, might" damage to bees?
Ya think?
I know what happens on my wheat field when fertilizer runs out just before the end of the pass. 5-10 bushels, instead of 40.
I know what happens when I drive too wide, and miss spraying. 10 bushel instead of 40.
You tell me yield if I did both on the same area?
5 bushels?
Zero?
But, it's ok. We are enviromentally safe!

That’s what the anti-fertilizer/chemical/evil-multinational don’t realize or don’t care about...farmers are feeding the world, not just their neighbours .

Sure, it would probably be great if we could go back 150 years and farmers just had to grow enough to feed their family and barter with their neighbours a bit.  10 bushels/acre would do just fine. But now, half the world would starve.

Like I said, if a percentage of the population is willing to pay more for something, there will be a market. Good for the customers and the producers. If woldwide customers don’t want GMO grains/food, for example, for whatever reason despite there being no evidence they will do any harm, then that’s the way it has to be. You can’t grow it. 

The numbers of organic farmers here on the prairies is going down, not up. Farms are getting bigger. It’s a business. Maybe someday, the demand for organic will grow enough that the producers will change because they have to. I suspect the organic-only, multinationals/big business are evil crowd will be the first to protest as to why the evil Western World isn’t doing anything about half the world starving.

[The emperor has no clothes]

As Serk stated. How many people do you wish to starve?
Do away with commercial pesticides and fertilizers, as many on the left are espousing, a d food production will drop immediately by more than half. Probably  by 75% or more.
Will that kill more people than "possible, may, might" damage to bees?
Ya think?
I know what happens on my wheat field when fertilizer runs out just before the end of the pass. 5-10 bushels, instead of 40.
I know what happens when I drive too wide, and miss spraying. 10 bushel instead of 40.
You tell me yield if I did both on the same area?
5 bushels?
Zero?
But, it's ok. We are enviromentally safe!

That’s what the anti-fertilizer/chemical/evil-multinational don’t realize or don’t care about...farmers are feeding the world, not just their neighbours .

Sure, it would probably be great if we could go back 150 years and farmers just had to grow enough to feed their family and barter with their neighbours a bit.  10 bushels/acre would do just fine. But now, half the world would starve.

Like I said, if a percentage of the population is willing to pay more for something, there will be a market. Good for the customers and the producers. If woldwide customers don’t want GMO grains/food, for example, for whatever reason despite there being no evidence they will do any harm, then that’s the way it has to be. You can’t grow it. 

The numbers of organic farmers here on the prairies is going down, not up. Farms are getting bigger. It’s a business. Maybe someday, the demand for organic will grow enough that the producers will change because they have to. I suspect the organic-only, multinationals/big business are evil crowd will be the first to protest as to why the evil Western World isn’t doing anything about half the world starving.

I know squat about farming. That's why it's great to hear from people who do.  When I think back just in my career the amount of efficiency in the protein industry is astonishing. My only issue with this and other companies would be their lying and hiding studies.

[Serk]

My only issue with this and other companies would be their lying and hiding studies.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/monsanto-suppressing-evidence-of-cancerous-herbicide-in-food/

[The emperor has no clothes]

My only issue with this and other companies would be their lying and hiding studies.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/monsanto-suppressing-evidence-of-cancerous-herbicide-in-food/

I've read little about the trial. But, I don't think that was the allegation.

[baldo]

My only issue with this and other companies would be their lying and hiding studies.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/monsanto-suppressing-evidence-of-cancerous-herbicide-in-food/

What in tarnation am I seeing??????? A snopes link?

[Serk]

What in tarnation am I seeing??????? A snopes link?

I know, I felt so unclean after posting it I had to go take an extra shower to wash off the filth. I normally would have put a disclaimer first before posting a link to Snopes, but knowing the primary people I was posting it for are True Believers, I neglected to post it this time.

[Earl43P]

"Quote from: baldo on Yesterday at 09:36:50 AM

Bees are killed by the hundreds of thousands. No bees, no food."

There is "truth" in those numbers. A single bee colony has how ~ many bees? Research it before you answer that....then extrapolate that # into....wait for it....

United States honey production in 2017 from producers with five or more colonies totaled 148 million pounds, down 9 percent from 2016. There were 2.67 million colonies producing honey in 2017, down 4 percent from 2016. Yield per colony averaged 55.3 pounds, down 5 percent from the 58.3 pounds in 2016.

http://usda.mannlib.cornell.edu/MannUsda/viewDocumentInfo.do?documentID=1191

https://www.nass.usda.gov/Statistics_by_Subject/index.php 

Select Animals&Products, then Group:
Specialty, then Commodity: Honey. Statistics by Subject

National Statistics for Honey
Data Items   2017   2016   2015
                  22.2  17.5  20.8  MEASURED IN PCT OF COLONIES   
HONEY, BEE COLONIES, AFFECTED BY UNKNOWN CAUSES - INVENTORY,

National Statistics for Honey
Data Items   2017   2016   2015
                         5   4.3  4.9  MEASURED IN PCT OF COLONIES   
HONEY, BEE COLONIES, AFFECTED BY PESTICIDES - INVENTORY,


Regardless of OPINIONS, the FACTS show that the Honey Bee population is statistically and measurably affected by various things like pesticides, mites, etc. The key word there is "affected". The key measurement is honey output. You can't just read into that % as the colony died off, swarmed away, lost the queen, etc.

Reports that the world's honey bee population is in a drastic decline, the SKY IS FALLING - WE'RE ALL GONNA STARVE without these pollinators is quite MEASURABLY and STATISTICALLY "over-blown" and hyped to and by the "what I like to call" Low Information Voters and Facebook Fools.

Click on the earlier decade reports available at the link above and see for yourself. Also note that the stats that I pasted are not in the Publications spreadsheets, but appear above that under: Statistics by Subject and you can easily overlook that. Unknown Causes....roughly 20% of the bee colonies affected.... could that be RoundUp? Perhaps some, but surely not all.  When did RoundUp hit the market? Look at the many decades of these stats and rest easy that our bees are doing ok and there will be honey on the shelf. The price may change, but it'll bee there.

Lastly, none of those USDA stats include the average beekeeper that many of us know and buy from. If they are selling honey from a road stand, farmer's market, etc. you can safely assume they are not reporting that colony / honey output to USDA nor are they claiming that farm income to the IRS.
I applaud them and support them.

[sheets]

A pint (?) jug of concentrate a year for the past 35 years.

[Oss]

anyone here have bee colonies ?

Been thinking about putting in a hive in the back corner of our yard

I hear that there is a mite that is pretty deadly  Is it from China?
Is it a jihadist mite?   They have hit local farmers hives and I dont think roundup is a hugely applied thing here.

Would be interested in knowing what the sky is falling people are researching insofar as killing that bee killing mite

Also would like to see some high road conversation on our threads

[Serk]

anyone here have bee colonies ?

Been thinking about putting in a hive in the back corner of our yard

My father in law does.

We don't like to go over to his house anymore, bees swarming everywhere, it's really not pleasant to be around.

Several of my kids have been stung, so we just don't go over to his house as much anymore.

[The emperor has no clothes]

anyone here have bee colonies ?

Been thinking about putting in a hive in the back corner of our yard

I hear that there is a mite that is pretty deadly  Is it from China?
Is it a jihadist mite?   They have hit local farmers hives and I dont think roundup is a hugely applied thing here.

Would be interested in knowing what the sky is falling people are researching insofar as killing that bee killing mite

Also would like to see some high road conversation on our threads

Hook raises bees. Or at least he did. (I don't know about high road conversation though) 

[Skinhead]

anyone here have bee colonies ?

Been thinking about putting in a hive in the back corner of our yard

I hear that there is a mite that is pretty deadly  Is it from China?
Is it a jihadist mite?   They have hit local farmers hives and I dont think roundup is a hugely applied thing here.

Would be interested in knowing what the sky is falling people are researching insofar as killing that bee killing mite

Also would like to see some high road conversation on our threads

I'd like to know which coroner is doing the bee autopsies to determine cause of death....

[Robert]

There is a pumping station close to where I work and it had a problem with bees getting into the inside of the building. So they called a bee Keeper and are in the process of moving the hive.

 Not to far from me where I buy my honey the guy is a bee keeper and has some delicious honey in many flavors. A fairly big piece of property and there are always bees buzzing by. Not as many as I would have thought though. I have not seen all the hives he has but he has gallons of honey its pretty amazing to see. Whats nice is the store bought stuff is not as good as the local since they make them take out some things that make the honey better.



Round Up is not the cause of colony collapse but the new insecticides may be though. With some of the new systemic insecticides they will not allow flowers to bloom so you have a choice either use an insecticide that keeps your plants healthy and no flowers or dont and have your plants destroyed by insects. Some of the systemic varieties of bug killer are better than others and more friendly to bees but no insecticide that is systemic is going to be good for bees.

There is one aspect that no one seems to be addressing and is a direct result of science and the lack of ability to keep their labs secure, which is African honey bees. Oh yea supposed to be the better in every way and one way not addressed is in killing animals, people and anything that moves. So many of the colonies have had to be destroyed because of these creatures and so much damage has been done. 

I was standing about 3 feet away when I took this pic and wasn't bothered at all, but if this had been African bees it would have been a different story. 

[..]

Netflix series - ROTTEN

Lawyers, Guns and Honey reveals in the opening episode that things are not so sweet in the global honey business, as the programme explores the largest food fraud investigation and prosecution in history – a scam known as “Honeygate” – in which United States Customs busted a honey-smuggling ring.

Leading honey producers in the United States smuggled in inferior honey from China via Australia, not to mention other substances found in it.

The Chinese add quite a few substances to the honey to bulk it up.

I'd be very wary about buying mass market honey. Not the end sellers fault the honey changes hands quite a few times.

[Jess from VA]

I'd be very wary about buying mass market honey

I read the same thing about olive oil now being (widely) untrustworthy, and full of god knows what just a few months ago. 

[JimmyG]

I have hives in my back yard. I no longer use round up, but the alternative label with the same chemical. Buy my stuff at co-op for much less than roundup, and it does even a better job due to percentage of the active weed killing chemical.  No bee kills noted.  Honey is so much better than the stuff sold in stores, which probably comes from China. That stuff is not what I would call real honey.  Honey is a big business, and there is a lot of graft in the honey manipulation to support the wants and needs of the world. It is an interesting study if you ever have the inclination to read up on it.  Real, raw honey is a delight. It can be bought locally and your average small bee keeper would love to sell you some.  I just extracted some frames a few weeks ago and am enjoying my honey daily.   Mites are a huge problem, but can be controlled fairly easily. there are other diseases that affect bees, big bee keeping businesses work hard to keep their colonies healthy.
If you get the urge to keep bees, read, read, read. then study some more. They are extremely interesting to keep.  I make mistakes bee keeping, but the bees are smarter than I am and usually correct my mistakes and just keep right on going.  

[..]

I have hives in my back yard. I no longer use round up, but the alternative label with the same chemical. Buy my stuff at co-op for much less than roundup, and it does even a better job due to percentage of the active weed killing chemical.  No bee kills noted.  Honey is so much better than the stuff sold in stores, which probably comes from China. That stuff is not what I would call real honey.  Honey is a big business, and there is a lot of graft in the honey manipulation to support the wants and needs of the world. It is an interesting study if you ever have the inclination to read up on it.  Real, raw honey is a delight. It can be bought locally and your average small bee keeper would love to sell you some.  I just extracted some frames a few weeks ago and am enjoying my honey daily.   Mites are a huge problem, but can be controlled fairly easily. there are other diseases that affect bees, big bee keeping businesses work hard to keep their colonies healthy.
If you get the urge to keep bees, read, read, read. then study some more. They are extremely interesting to keep.  I make mistakes bee keeping, but the bees are smarter than I am and usually correct my mistakes and just keep right on going.  

I buy some of mine here at the source.

http://www.mtnhoney.com/

And from a local guy at the farmers market in Clayton.

[Oss]

We get honey from a farmer in pretty large quantity

It costs  much less than what the store sells and tastes awesome.

Bonnie uses it in Elderberry Syrup that she gives away to family and friends. helps fight off colds during the season. The rest we use in tea throughout the year and in some of her other recipes.

Had never heard that about Olive oyl.  Popeye would be very upset

[JimmyG]

We get honey from a farmer in pretty large quantity

It costs  much less than what the store sells and tastes awesome.

Bonnie uses it in Elderberry Syrup that she gives away to family and friends. helps fight off colds during the season. The rest we use in tea throughout the year and in some of her other recipes.

Oss,  since I have been using it daily, I don't get the allergy coughs and sniffles like I did before.  I am convinced it is the honey....

[Kidd]

Not that anyone here cares

Glyphosate is the most    successful  pesticide   to date   , used more than any other pesticide .
Has made  Monsanto   billions 

[Beardo]

Not that anyone here cares

Glyphosate is the most    successful  pesticide   to date   , used more than any other pesticide .
Has made  Monsanto   billions 

Is it a bad thing for a company to make a product that does what it’s supposed to do and for said company to make lots of money off it? 

[Kidd]

It was originally  designed  as a plant  growth  regulator  and they realized to would also kill  plants  .

Wish I have been the one who  invented it  , i'd  be a billionaire many times over

[Robert]

United States Environmental Protection Agency
Glyphosate has been used as a pesticide since the 1970s. Glyphosate acid and several related glyphosate salt compounds are also registered pesticides.


Glyphosate products can be safely used by following label directions.

    Glyphosate has low toxicity for humans.
        Protective eye wear is recommended for the few products that may cause eye irritation.
        Entry into agricultural fields is allowed 12-hours after application of these products.
    Glyphosate is no more than slightly toxic to birds and is practically nontoxic to fish, aquatic invertebrates, and honeybees.
        Certain products contain an ingredient that is toxic to some fish.
        Follow the label directions to protect fish and aquatic environments.

[Kidd]

An ounce of table  salt is more  toxic than an ounce of glyphosate


yall know what  LD50 means  ?

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/LD50

Glyphosate
Acute oral toxicity
Rat, LD50
: > 5,000 mg/kg body weight
Practically non-toxic.
FIFRA category IV.
Acute dermal toxicity
Rat, LD50
: > 5,000 mg/kg body weight
Practically non-toxic.
FIFRA category IV.

[LadyDraco]

anyone here have bee colonies ?

Been thinking about putting in a hive in the back corner of our yard

I hear that there is a mite that is pretty deadly  Is it from China?
Is it a jihadist mite?   They have hit local farmers hives and I dont think roundup is a hugely applied thing here.

Would be interested in knowing what the sky is falling people are researching insofar as killing that bee killing mite

Also would like to see some high road conversation on our threads

All  of  our bee keepers  lost over 200 colonies this past winter ..
All from FLASH freezes... Bees don't poop in the  hive . And hold  it for at least 5  days to a week  ..
They leave the  hive  on what is called  a clean run... Then they return to the  hives..
    But if  there  is  a freeze  that rolls in fast like  this  past winter .The  bees can't make  it back in time and  perish.. Most of  them  died  right  at the  hive, crawling back in ...

We  had 8flashfreezes this past winter.. Very sad .. We   have  only seen 4 Honey bees this year..

A local bee keeper  was  going  to bring a hive to the  farm this year.. But he  lost 75  hives  alone..
He  is trying   to rebuild .. But friendly  bees are very expansive .. over $200 for  a small colony...


And We NEVER use  ROUNDUP !! That is  some  of  the nastiest stuff made ..
It kills more  then just weeds.. It kills beneficial bugs that feed  on  the weeds ...
Yuppers will never use  that...  We   just plant extra plants  for  bugs...

Don't  get me started... This  year is  the  worst year for  rodents...


 @Oss Hey Evan  ,Tell me  is there a ratio for  the Vinegar  for the  poison ivy?
The longhorns  eat it in the pastures.. But around the house  we keep chopping  it down..
But it's a  losing the  battle.. 

[Patrick]

Vinegar on poison ivy.  Gallon of plain 5% cheap vinegar, 1/2 cup or so of salt and a bit of dish soap.
If you can get 20% vinegar in your area then you can cut it with water.

I find it works better and lasts longer than the commercial stuff like glyphosate.

[Jess from VA]

Do you use Roundup?

No, I use toilet paper.   

[semo97]

I as well have sprayed land and pesticides on thousands of cattle even used dipping vats. If you cannot read the warnings don't use it. Monsanto feeds the world, round up ready corn has changed farming to another level of product production. GMO and organic could never start to feed the world. You would be hard pressed to raise and can enough organic to feed a family of four. If you have not been in agriculture making a living at it do not condemn the products that we use . I can go on and on about this but it will not change a soul if you are drinking the organic cool-aid. I wash my fruit and vegies before I eat them, every one should. I know people that have what this guy has and have never been exposed to anything.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I as well have sprayed land and pesticides on thousands of cattle even used dipping vats. If you cannot read the warnings don't use it. Monsanto feeds the world, round up ready corn has changed farming to another level of product production. GMO and organic could never start to feed the world. You would be hard pressed to raise and can enough organic to feed a family of four. If you have not been in agriculture making a living at it do not condemn the products that we use . I can go on and on about this but it will not change a soul if you are drinking the organic cool-aid. I wash my fruit and vegies before I eat them, every one should. I know people that have what this guy has and have never been exposed to anything.

hell, I don’t even wash fruits and vegetables. 60 years so far, so good.

[LadyDraco]

I as well have sprayed land and pesticides on thousands of cattle even used dipping vats. If you cannot read the warnings don't use it. Monsanto feeds the world, round up ready corn has changed farming to another level of product production. GMO and organic could never start to feed the world. You would be hard pressed to raise and can enough organic to feed a family of four. If you have not been in agriculture making a living at it do not condemn the products that we use . I can go on and on about this but it will not change a soul if you are drinking the organic cool-aid. I wash my fruit and vegies before I eat them, every one should. I know people that have what this guy has and have never been exposed to anything.

I don't  use  pesticides  or herbicides  ..
I can  cann more  then enough for  a family of  4  for  a year or  more...

Monsanto can  shove  it ... Along with their Kool-Aid..