I hope each and everyone of those foul men die

[Gryphon Rider]

This all fine and dandy if you believe in God and his judgement.  For me, I would just like to see them get a bullet in their head for the damage that they caused to the children. 

It must be disheartening to believe that justice must be done now or be denied.  It would make me bitter, deeply so if I or someone I loved were a victim of gross injustice.

[..]

Line 'em up, and.... well....

Is that what's known as a tally whacker? 

I thought it. You said it.

[czuch]

Father John was the head of the copy room. Many years before the printing press.
Many youths and aspiring clergy were busy day and night copying scripture.
One day, a young man questioned a passage that had become blurred.
He couldn't make out a couple of words.
Father John said he'd go to the archive and look it up.
After a few hours he came back. Ashen and pale, and visibly upset.
"Whats the matter Father"? The young man asked.
Father John replied;
"The word is, "CELEBRATE".

[Robert]

Didn’t take long to drag Clinton into this. I’m kind of surprised you haven’t blamed Obama yet . 

Low hanging fruit that most already agree is a sexual pervert and a good example of some other sexual predators that should be known and brought to justice, but of course some will post inane statements even though in this case facts speak for themselves.

But since I am one that is concerned about the pedophiles and predators other than priests also, I want each and every one to be prosecuted along with the priests. Those in government are not above the law and should be held to the same standards, because for sure its not only priests. Dont YOU agree, since you have sympathy for so many? 

[The emperor has no clothes]

Didn’t take long to drag Clinton into this. I’m kind of surprised you haven’t blamed Obama yet . 

Low hanging fruit that most already agree is a sexually pervert, of course some will post inane statements even though facts speak for themselves and its generally an accepted fact.

Now you are the voice of most ?

[Robert]

Nope not the voice of most just one of the most, so dont you agree, or are you going to slide the prosecution of some for political favoritism, like all the corrupt? I guess you agree with me since you wouldn't agree with a predator.

I just want to do my civic duty and make sure ALL the facts about Clinton are known.

A majority, 53 percent, of U.S. voters said Clinton was a sexual predator, while only 24 percent responded that he is a victim of his political opponents, with 24 percent undecided.

Here are the basics: Independent counsel Ken Starr had been looking into the Clintons for years, starting with their Whitewater real estate investments. The Paula Jones sexual harassment charges led to Starr uncovering the Lewinsky affair. Clinton denied having a sexual relationship with Lewinsky while he was under oath for a deposition for the Jones case. That played into the multiple charges of perjury and obstruction of justice that Starr levied against the President.

Something many including yourself has been trying to get Trump on was already done and he still rode out his term.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Nope not the voice of most just one of the most, so dont you agree?

I just want to do my civic duty and make sure ALL the facts about Clinton are known.

A majority, 53 percent, of U.S. voters said Clinton was a sexual predator, while only 24 percent responded that he is a victim of his political opponents, with 24 percent undecided,

I don't base my opinions on what a poll says. I haven't researched Clinton's sexual history (or anybody else's for that matter) but as I remember it Paula Jones, Monica Lewinski, and others that he might have had relations with were "of age". I find it very sad that you as a "Christian Man" think so little of these kids that were victimized and traumatized that you have the need to draw this in. 

[Robert]

Nope me as a christian man cares enough to want to stamp out pedophilia in any place and by any one. So I dont stick my head in the sand like you seem to be doing, while standing on falsely righteous ground. There is so much more that I can post like both Bill and Hillary had their own private rooms on Jeffery Epstein's Island that they would frequent.

As for research you mean you have not heard about Bill Clinton, lying and making false statements and having an affair with Monika Lewinsky? If you have isn't that kind of perverted stuff?

You STILL have not conceded that pedophilia by anyone including your very own Bill and Hillary should be prosecuted and not only the priests.


In 2005, the world was introduced to reclusive billionaire Jeffrey Epstein, friend to princes and an American president, a power broker with the darkest of secrets: He was also a pedophile, accused of recruiting dozens of underage girls into a sex-slave network, buying their silence and moving along, although he has been convicted of only one count of soliciting prostitution from a minor. Visitors to his private Caribbean island, known as “Orgy Island,” have included Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew and Stephen Hawking.

According to a 2011 court filing by alleged Epstein victim Virginia Roberts Giuffre, she saw Clinton and Prince Andrew on the island but never saw the former president do anything improper. Giuffre has accused Prince Andrew of having sex with her when she was a minor, a charge Buckingham Palace denies.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Nope me as a christian man cares enough to want to stamp out pedophilia in any place and by any one. So I dont stick my head in the sand like you seem to be doing, while standing on falsely righteous ground. There is so much more that I can post like both Bill and Hillary had their own private rooms on Jeffery Epstein's Island that they would frequent.

You STILL have not conceded that pedophilia by anyone including your very own Bill and Hillary should be prosecuted and not only the priests.


In 2005, the world was introduced to reclusive billionaire Jeffrey Epstein, friend to princes and an American president, a power broker with the darkest of secrets: He was also a pedophile, accused of recruiting dozens of underage girls into a sex-slave network, buying their silence and moving along, although he has been convicted of only one count of soliciting prostitution from a minor. Visitors to his private Caribbean island, known as “Orgy Island,” have included Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew and Stephen Hawking.

According to a 2011 court filing by alleged Epstein victim Virginia Roberts Giuffre, she saw Clinton and Prince Andrew on the island but never saw the former president do anything improper. Giuffre has accused Prince Andrew of having sex with her when she was a minor, a charge Buckingham Palace denies.

"Christian man" my ass ! You profess your form of it on here every day, I think you really understand little of it.

[Serk]

as I remember it Paula Jones, Monica Lewinski, and others that he might have had relations with were "of age".

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/05/13/flight-logs-show-bill-clinton-flew-on-sex-offenders-jet-much-more-than-previously-known.html

[Robert]

"Christian man" my ass ! You profess your form of it on here every day, I think you really understand little of it.

Well my comfort is you know less of it and have to attack instead of using knowledge and facts to answer with.

Your personal bias of people like the Clinton's has clouded your judgement. Especially when you make statements like, "those Clinton might have had relations with", its a fact he was impeached over it.  

I also dont boast about my faith since I am a sinner but my boast is in who saved me.

You also have NOT ANSWERED THE QUESTION,

 isn't pedophilia done by anyone wrong, and why should it be only priests?

[The emperor has no clothes]

"Christian man" my ass ! You profess your form of it on here every day, I think you really understand little of it.

Well my comfort is you know less of it and have to attack instead of using knowledge and facts to answer with.

I also dont boast about my faith since I am a sinner but my boast is in who saved me.

You also have NOT ANSWERED THE QUESTION, isn't pedophilia done by anyone wrong?

I have no further desire to communicate with you. And, what a ridiculous question !

[Robert]

I have no further desire to communicate with you. And, what a ridiculous question !

Yes I bet, and if ridiculous, why can you not answer it? Also please dont worry to much about how I will handle the lack of communication, since you are very concerned about those who are suffering.

I will try and manage, but thank you. 

As a parting gift one of peace I will post this article about human trafficking in Haiti that Bill Clinton and Hillary were involved with.

While we are upset at the priests and whats going on in the world with pedophilia some of our leaders are thousands of times worse. In the coming months I believe that some of this truth will be revealed and the true magnitude will be revealed and may turn stomachs. I personally believe that anyone who violates a child should be punished to the fullest extent possible, church, government or private citizen. There are many with ruined lives not able to go forward and heal by the damage done.

The Clinton-Silsby Trafficking Scandal And How The Media Attempted To Ignore/Cover It Up
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-25/clinton-silsby-trafficking-scandal-and-how-media-attempted-ignorecover-it

Contrary to reports in the media, the crowd sourced investigation labeled by some as "Pizzagate" did not begin with internet sleuths digging through the Wikileaks Podesta Files releases looking for pizza parlors and encoded language discussing human trafficking. It began with the shocking discovery that Hillary and Bill Clinton provided assistance to convicted child trafficker, Laura Silsby, resulting in a reduced sentence for child trafficking.

Silsby was arrested at the Haitian border attempting to smuggle 33 children out of Haiti without documentation. Her sentence and charges were reduced after an intervention by Bill Clinton. In the aftermath of Silsby's arrest, her originally retained lawyer Jorge Puello was arrested in connection with an international smuggling ring accused of trafficking women and minors from Central America and Haiti. The revelation of this news in November was either ignored by the Western media or attacked by Clinton controlled publications.

Hillary and Bill Clinton took an extraordinary interest in Silsby’s case from the moment she was arrested and almost immediately stepped in on her behalf. The Harvard Human Rights Journal stated that one of Bill Clinton's first acts as special envoy for the United Nations in Haiti "was to put out the fire of a child abduction scandal involving American citizens." On February 7th, 2010, The Sunday Times reported that Bill Clinton had intervened to strike a deal with the Haitian government, securing the release of all co-conspirators except for Silsby. Prosecutors ultimately sought a six-month sentence in Silsby's case, reducing charges for conspiracy and child abduction to mere "arranging irregular travel." A shockingly light penalty given the circumstances of her arrest, which would likely not have been possible but for the intervention of the Clintons in Silsby's case.

II. Silsby's Lawyer and His Wife Were Both Arrested For Involvement in Human Sex Trafficking of Minors and Women

On February 11th, the New York Times reported that Silsby's original lawyer, Jorge Puello, was suspected of leading an international human trafficking ring involving women and minors. According the the Harvard Human Rights Journal Puello was ultimately arrested in an investigation being lead by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) in connection with the ring. He was wanted in the United States, El Salvador and Costa Rica for his involvement with a network trafficking Central Americans and Haitians.

[ridingron]

I'll ask. No names, no job titles.

   isn't pedophilia done by anyone wrong? 

So is it a yes or a no?

It is really a simple question.

[Pete]

FLAME SUIT ON:
I have never been convinced that the Catholic Church was in fact a church or a cult.
I have always leaned toward cult.

I have no professional or amateur training in church or cult definitions but I do see and understand common sense. And I see less of it every day.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I'll ask. No names, no job titles.

   isn't pedophilia done by anyone wrong? 

So is it a yes or a no?

It is really a simple question.

It is wrong by anyone. Do you know any sane person who thinks otherwise ?

[¿spoom]

FLAME SUIT ON:
I have never been convinced that the Catholic Church was in fact a church or a cult.
I have always leaned toward cult.

I have no professional or amateur training in church or cult definitions but I do see and understand common sense. And I see less of it every day.

I'd say, "neither, it's a business". Anyone ever read the autobiography of Benvenuto Cellini? How about research a little on collusion with the Nazis in WW2, including aiding escaping top Nazi officials. It's a business, selling fear and fear insurance.

[Gryphon Rider]

I'll ask. No names, no job titles.

   isn't pedophilia done by anyone wrong? 

So is it a yes or a no?

It is really a simple question.

It is wrong by anyone. Do you know any sane person who thinks otherwise ?

I hate to have to point this out, but people can be perfectly sane and abundantly evil at the same time.  And people can be certifiably insane and yet behave more morally than an average sane person.  I don't know if there has been a study of those who don't think pedophilia is inherently wrong to determine if a larger percentage of them are certifiably insane, compared to those who think it's wrong, but I don't think such a study would find the relationship you are implying.

What I think does impact the prevalence of any particular act, in this case an evil act, is the attitudes of the society, whether it be general society or the specific circles an individual moves in.  E.g., if you live in a society where cannibalism is the norm, you are more likely to commit cannibalism.  If you live in a society that is extremely derisive towards a particular class of people, you will find it easy to commit violence against someone who belongs to that class, and if you're not a participant, you're more likely to cheer on those who do participate.

Man is perfectly capable of the worst kind of evil, committed with deliberateness, organization, and perfect sanity.  The only prerequisite is the belief that one's wants and perceived needs supersede the wellbeing of others.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I'll ask. No names, no job titles.

   isn't pedophilia done by anyone wrong? 

So is it a yes or a no?

It is really a simple question.

It is wrong by anyone. Do you know any sane person who thinks otherwise ?

I hate to have to point this out, but people can be perfectly sane and abundantly evil at the same time.  And people can be certifiably insane and yet behave more morally than an average sane person.  I don't know if there has been a study of those who don't think pedophilia is inherently wrong to determine if a larger percentage of them are certifiably insane, compared to those who think it's wrong, but I don't think such a study would find the relationship you are implying.

What I think does impact the prevalence of any particular act, in this case an evil act, is the attitudes of the society, whether it be general society or the specific circles an individual moves in.  E.g., if you live in a society where cannibalism is the norm, you are more likely to commit cannibalism.  If you live in a society that is extremely derisive towards a particular class of people, you will find it easy to commit violence against someone who belongs to that class, and if you're not a participant, you're more likely to cheer on those who do participate.

Man is perfectly capable of the worst kind of evil, committed with deliberateness, organization, and perfect sanity.  The only prerequisite is the belief that one's wants and perceived needs supersede the wellbeing of others.

You are correct. I simplified it way too much. Evilness and sanity are not mutually exclusive. I would hope most here believe I am not evil. Seemed like a stupid question to me.

[Willow]

You are correct. I simplified it way too much. Evilness and sanity are not mutually exclusive. I would hope most here believe I am not evil. Seemed like a stupid question to me.

Of course you're evil, meathead.  If you were not evil you would believe everything exactly as do I.   

It is wise to not tie evil and insane together.  Much of the world lives in a culture that has no problem with pedophilia.  Come to think of it maybe they are crazy.  I know they must be evil.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Of course you're evil, meathead. 

have you been talking to Brenda again ?

[Robert]

Sunday Night’s Matt Doran goes undercover with Operation Underground Railroad to bring down Haiti child sex ring

GO BEHIND the scenes with an elaborate, multi-agency bust that has been almost a year in the planning.

https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/current-affairs/sunday-nights-matt-doran-goes-undercover-with-operation-underground-railroad-to-bring-down-haiti-child-sex-ring/news-story/dcecf5950ca5b6d501c48ed927127bc3

“WHO is afraid of the water?”

The question, from a former special agent with the US Department of Homeland Security, is directed at a group of children being held against their will in a rusted home hidden in the hills of Petion-Ville, in the republic of Haiti.

The undercover human trafficking operative produces an iPhone, and shows the children an image of a luxury yacht, moored nearby in the Caribbean.

There’s a moment of awkward laughter, before, gradually, a few tiny arms shoot up in the air.

“Wi, wi,” they say in Creole, explaining that they’re scared.

With us are a dozen children, who’ve been released by their captors from locked rooms at the back of the property. They are aged between eight and 14 years old.

They are sex slaves.

Child trafficking victims who’ve spent their formative years servicing the carnal desires of men, often foreigners, who are three, four, five or six times their age.

Their madam tells me that many of their customers are western humanitarian workers who’ve come here to help rebuild Haiti after the recent run of natural disasters.


Surgeon who exposed Clinton Foundation corruption in Haiti found dead in apartment with stab wound to the chest

https://www.intellihub.com/surgeon-who-exposed-clinton-foundation-corruption-in-haiti-found-dead-in-apartment-with-stab-wound-to-the-chest/

MANHATTAN (INTELLIHUB) — A well-known surgeon who exposed major inadequacies in medical trauma care promised to the Haitian people by the Clinton Foundation after the non-profit raised over $30 million dollars in donations following the devastating 2010 earthquake was found dead in his upscale apartment Sunday with a stab wound to the chest.


Haiti official who exposed the Clinton Foundation found dead in Miami
https://revengeoftheherd.com/2017/07/14/haiti-official-who-exposed-the-clinton-foundation-found-dead-in-miami/

Klaus Eberwein, a former Haitian government official who was expected to expose the extent of Clinton Foundation corruption and malpractice next week, has been found dead in Miami. He was 50.

Eberwein was due to appear next Tuesday before the Haitian Senate Ethics and Anti-Corruption Commission where he was widely expected to testify that the Clinton Foundation misappropriated Haiti earthquake donations from international donors.

Anthony Scaramucci: A tale of two foundations
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/op-eds/anthony-scaramucci-new-yorks-double-standard-on-clinton-foundation-and-trump-foundation

For years, one of the most corrupt political organizations in America was allowed to operate with impunity in the state of New York. That organization is known as the Clinton Foundation.

Successive attorneys general in New York stood by in silence as the Clinton machine sold government access via foundation donations, very little of which actually went to charity. They stood by when Hillary Clinton was a U.S. senator. They did nothing when she was secretary of state. And they didn’t lift a finger against the foundation during Clinton’s latest presidential bid.


Need to watch this movie
Full Movie: "Clinton Cash"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kp2akjuUULI

[Robert]

Hillary Clinton Child Rape Victim Speaks Out - BOMBSHELL Cathy O'Brien Testimony

Interesting if you listen 8 minutes in for a moment and then go back to the start. She talks about the presidents, Regan,Bush,Clinton. Talks back to 83 in what this woman overheard them talking about and a chain of command. Makes you rethink about the people you respect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=485&v=2pzp6VR7zJ8

Full video of Cathy O'Brain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=FvEBmEo4IA0

O'Brien claims to have been abused since she was a toddler by her own family. Forced to partake in satanic sadomasochistic child pornography movies produced for Gerald Ford, she was eventually sold to the CIA, which was looking for traumatized children for their mind-control program ... U.S. Presidents Ford, Reagan, Bush and Bill Clinton; Canadian Prime Ministers Pierre Trudeau and Brian Mulroney; Mexican President Miguel de la Madrid; Haitian dictator Baby Doc Duvalier; Panamanian President Manuel Noriega; and King Fahd of Saudi Arabia all sexually brutalized her.  While being sodomized, whipped, bound and raped, O'Brien overheard the globalist elite planning a military coup in the United States and conspiring to usher in the satanic New World Order

                                                                 Red Shoes

[Chrisj CMA]

When I worked on the in patient mental health ward we had a woman that claimed to have been raped by an entire football team.   Crazy people often have these sexual delusions.  I hope that woman gets the help she needs.

Robert why did you post this crazy crap?

[Pete]

FLAME SUIT ON:
I have never been convinced that the Catholic Church was in fact a church or a cult.
I have always leaned toward cult.

I have no professional or amateur training in church or cult definitions but I do see and understand common sense. And I see less of it every day.

I'd say, "neither, it's a business". Anyone ever read the autobiography of Benvenuto Cellini? How about research a little on collusion with the Nazis in WW2, including aiding escaping top Nazi officials. It's a business, selling fear and fear insurance.

Business Cult, sure seems logical and it sure appears that way.

[Serk]

Fellas, we've got it all wrong! It's not the fault of the individual clergy who do this, nor is it the fault of institutionalized acceptance of this behavior within the power structure of the Catholic church, that's not it at all!

It's all because of misogyny, the patriarchy, that the Catholic church is pro-life, and Trump...

Or so the main stream media says...

https://www.salon.com/2018/08/16/behind-the-latest-catholic-sex-abuse-scandal-the-churchs-problem-is-male-dominance/

[Robert]

Robert why did you post this crazy crap?

I will assume you are talking about Cathy Obrian, I cannot or did not totally verify her whole story like I usually do with most things I post. But what she says rings true on many verified points that I have known previously. She does present a bit disjointed but if the type of trama that she has been through is the truth how would anyone of us deal with it and how would we be personally. The other posts about Haiti are from reliable news services and has been verified many times over. On Obrain's testimony, just because you cannot conceive of it does not mean its crazy crap, The Lord and the bible seem to many the same way? If you have worked with disturbed people then you know there are many causes but one cause that is predomonent is childhood trauma. People never really recover from it and need healing and restoration. Some by family, some by others, but childhood trama either by witnessing or being a part of something so terrible screws the kids up and they become adults and have this trauma and act it out in their lives.

I find the fact that many don't like religion and priests and some are doing something inexplicably bad makes people focus on this issue. But the truth is there is so much more and it so much broader the issues of pedophilia happening by people in some really respected positions or hold positions of power and authority. I'm sure when the Lewinsky scandal was coming out no one really wanted to believe it either. Im sure that the Epstiens Lolita Express was a surprise to many also. We have not gotten to the bottom of the truth about this stuff.

Do you know that its one of the things that Trump is doing is ridding the government of this type of corruption and child trafficking along with human trafficking.

If you need instant proof and to see signs of some prominent people that are known pedos then look at Podesta's house just start to look at the pictures that were in his house and to think he was good friends and business associate with the Clinton's for 30 plus years. Huma Abaden married Anthony Wiener really, wouldn't you think you would know if your significant other is a raging pedophile? Jeffery Epstien gave the Clinton foundation 3.5 million and had them on his island many times. Harvey Wienstien gave millions to the Clinton's and were good friends. Corey Feldman tells of his exploitation at the hands of many in Hollywood. Anthony Edwards Accuses Producer Gary Goddard of Pedophilia, Molestation and so many other stories.

So crazy crap or the crazies being exposed?

We all see it in our country today the changes that are for the worse and not better. Do you think that is by chance? Well the tip of the iceberg is only coming out now.

If you dont want to face it, you dont have to, I'm sure many will choose not to. But to say it does not exist with the evidence then that is crazy in itself. As for our leaders you have railed at Obama many times isn't it about time you learned where the plans that each president carries out uniformly come from and more importantly who they really are and what they believe? 

[The emperor has no clothes]

I suspect Robert may have to answer one day for all his false preaching.


Back to the OP. It is heartbreaking the mental and physical trauma these kids went thru at the hands of those evil bastards. Earlier GR commented how it must be demoralizing to not believe justice will eventually done. I think it is equally demoralizing to see these kind of people be moved around from parish to parish with little consequence.

[Reb]

Hillary Clinton Child Rape Victim Speaks Out - BOMBSHELL Cathy O'Brien Testimony

Interesting if you listen 8 minutes in for a moment and then go back to the start. She talks about the presidents, Regan,Bush,Clinton. Talks back to 83 in what this woman overheard them talking about and a chain of command. Makes you rethink about the people you respect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=485&v=2pzp6VR7zJ8

Full video of Cathy O'Brain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=FvEBmEo4IA0

O'Brien claims to have been abused since she was a toddler by her own family. Forced to partake in satanic sadomasochistic child pornography movies produced for Gerald Ford, she was eventually sold to the CIA, which was looking for traumatized children for their mind-control program ... U.S. Presidents Ford, Reagan, Bush and Bill Clinton; Canadian Prime Ministers Pierre Trudeau and Brian Mulroney; Mexican President Miguel de la Madrid; Haitian dictator Baby Doc Duvalier; Panamanian President Manuel Noriega; and King Fahd of Saudi Arabia all sexually brutalized her.  While being sodomized, whipped, bound and raped, O'Brien overheard the globalist elite planning a military coup in the United States and conspiring to usher in the satanic New World Order

                                                                 Red Shoes

[Robert]

Its easy to say something its not so easy to prove something. A previous poster talked about the priests can you imagine someone like a goverment official being the one. The person who is supposed to uphold the laws.

[Gryphon Rider]

Fellas, we've got it all wrong! It's not the fault of the individual clergy who do this, nor is it the fault of institutionalized acceptance of this behavior within the power structure of the Catholic church, that's not it at all!

It's all because of misogyny, the patriarchy, that the Catholic church is pro-life, and Trump...

Or so the main stream media says...

https://www.salon.com/2018/08/16/behind-the-latest-catholic-sex-abuse-scandal-the-churchs-problem-is-male-dominance/

I guess the writer of that article (which I haven't read; I'm basing my remarks on the headline) is ignoring all the recent headlines telling of female teachers taking up with their students?

The reason why men have been responsible for most of history's epic evil is that women haven't had as much opportunity.  The most evil men, whether in power or in prison, seem to have no trouble attracting female admirers.

[Chrisj CMA]

Its easy to say something its not so easy to prove something. A previous poster talked about the priests can you imagine someone like a goverment official being the one. The person who is supposed to uphold the laws.

You really believe all those presidents raped that girl?  C'mon use your brain, that makes no sense!  There's more of a chance that the flat Earthers are right.

[Novavalker]

The left wants to normalize pedophilia by calling them:

A MINOR ATTRACTED PERSONS  (MAP) 

They want acceptance by the LGBT Community.

So the politically correct term now is MAPs. Otherwise you might offend someone.........likely on the left.

[Robert]

Its easy to say something its not so easy to prove something. A previous poster talked about the priests can you imagine someone like a goverment official being the one. The person who is supposed to uphold the laws.

You really believe all those presidents raped that girl?  C'mon use your brain, that makes no sense!  There's more of a chance that the flat Earthers are right.

Raped really, I would say more forced prostitution in her case. I seriously doubt that any of these people would need to go out and rape someone when all the opportunity is presented to them in the form of submissives. Individuals that have been beaten down or programed to be sex slaves. It can be any age and either sex, if you believe that there is no hope and no out you will submit.

So now let me ask you how many of our presidents have been with a prostitute? Now how many have been with children? Pedophilia is not rape of going out catching someone and raping them in the sense of rape we think about. But no one is going to accept a violation on their person unless you can subdue them. This comes in many forms, programing, abuse,guilt,shame, loss of all hope of a better life and no hope in getting out of the situation.

 I dont know anyone that would agree to being a sex slave of a pedophile or a person with a abnormal desire, but they need to be controlled so that hope is lost.  That is why we dont hear to much till way after someone gets healed enough to be able to accuse the other parties of these heinous acts. Victims have not come out fearing reproach, what would people think, their to powerful, all the cards are stacked against me.

Once anyone who had this in their mind they will not fight the situation and gradually accept it so as to become willing partners in any form of abuse. In some cases the best silence is death so that the individuals are not found out. Ritual sacrifice is also a real possibility, and of course drugs are great to make someone submit once hooked on a habit. 

So now I will ask you rape,crazy, really?

Teachers who have relations with their students some as young as 12 is that rape or is that consent? This is also why the Jeff Epstiens of the world are also important what ever need you have, if you have the money and power they will be more than happy to supply you with it.

Cathy Obrian said a very important thing about choice and mind control.
 

[Gryphon Rider]

Its easy to say something its not so easy to prove something. A previous poster talked about the priests can you imagine someone like a goverment official being the one. The person who is supposed to uphold the laws.

You really believe all those presidents raped that girl?  C'mon use your brain, that makes no sense!  There's more of a chance that the flat Earthers are right.

Raped really, I would say more forced prostitution in her case. I seriously doubt that any of these people would need to go out and rape someone when all the opportunity is presented to them in the form of submissives. Individuals that have been beaten down or programed to be sex slaves. It can be any age and either sex, if you believe that there is no hope and no out you will submit.

So now let me ask you how many of our presidents have been with a prostitute? Now how many have been with children? Pedophilia is not rape of going out catching someone and raping them in the sense of rape we think about. But no one is going to accept a violation on their person unless you can subdue them. This comes in many forms, programing, abuse,guilt,shame, loss of all hope of a better life and no hope in getting out of the situation.

 I dont know anyone that would agree to being a sex slave of a pedophile or a person with a abnormal desire, but they need to be controlled so that hope is lost.  That is why we dont hear to much till way after someone gets healed enough to be able to accuse the other parties of these heinous acts. Victims have not come out fearing reproach, what would people think, their to powerful, all the cards are stacked against me.

Once anyone who had this in their mind they will not fight the situation and gradually accept it so as to become willing partners in any form of abuse. In some cases the best silence is death so that the individuals are not found out. Ritual sacrifice is also a real possibility, and of course drugs are great to make someone submit once hooked on a habit. 

So now I will ask you rape,crazy, really?

Teachers who have relations with their students some as young as 12 is that rape or is that consent?

Cathy Obrian said a very important thing about choice and mind control.
 

You completely missed ChrisJ CMA's point.  What is nonsensical is not that someone could be abused to the point where they would give their consent to other abuse, but that all these presidents, prime ministers, dictators, the CIA, etc. were abusing her, and that people conspiring to overthrow governments would let her hear their plans.

gos·sip
/ˈɡäsəp/
noun
1. casual or unconstrained conversation or reports about other people, typically involving details that are not confirmed as being true.

slan·der
/ˈslandər/
noun
1. the action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person's reputation.


Romans 1:29–32, ESV:
They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Though they know God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.

[Robert]

You completely missed ChrisJ CMA's point.  What is nonsensical is not that someone could be abused to the point where they would give their consent to other abuse, but that all these presidents, prime ministers, dictators, the CIA, etc. were abusing her, and that people conspiring to overthrow governments would let her hear their plans.

If you have a piece of property do you worry about its use?

 If you feel untouchable would you really worry about what someone would say?

So in your logic you can abuse people sexually and that's ok they wont say a thing but if we talk about our plans then they will remember and say something. YEA OK that makes perfect sense, what ever you say. 

Just one more point do you remember a fear that no one will believe me as a victim of abuse? So they cannot come forward for the abuse but they are going to come forward for the plans. 

So you also remember when Obama on an open mike unknown to him said wait till I get reelected and I will have more freedom then. How about the tarmac meeting with Bill Clinton and Lynch that was not supposed to come out, Trump was not supposed to win. Your thinking shows ignorance into those that have power and very little worry of being caught. Jeffery Epstien had an entire island devoted to this stuff just sitting there and only recently has he destroyed what was there.

Other than that I will Chris answer for himself.

Romans 14:4
Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

[Chrisj CMA]

Ok, I find it a bit “FANTASTIC” that all those listed in your post abused that girl. Such a wild tale you would have to be crazy to believe any of it. I can’t even believe you can post it as fact with a “straight face”

This is the last I will deal with this trash.

[Gryphon Rider]

Romans 14:4
Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

Exactly what message are you trying to convey by quoting that verse, i.e., what is the circumstance you are applying the verse to?  I can make a guess, but I'd rather know for certain.

Who is the person judging?
Who is the person being judged?
What is the judgement?
Who is the judger's master?
Who is the judged's master?

[Robert]

You know what they say...truth can be crazier than fiction.

[Willow]

You know what they say...truth can be crazier than fiction.

No they don't.  They do say stranger than fiction but we do need to be smart enough to recognize when something makes no sense at all.  I didn't bother with the foreign leaders, but the four U.S. Presidents that she mentions span over twenty years from when she was 17 until she was 44.  Does that sound plausible to you?  It doesn't to me.

Mayhaps we should be more restrained when casting disparaging images upon our Presidents based upon completely ridiculous claims.