Senator McCain's funeral....

[MAD6Gun]

 I watched some of his funeral service this morning. I watched while his wife placed a wreath at the Vietnam wall. I watched as his casket was placed in the church. Then I watched his daughter give a very emotional eulogy to her father. That is up until  her blatant disrespectful jabs at president Trump.  I understand that Sen McCain and Trump didn't get along at all and I sure has hell don't agree with some of the comments made by Trump towards McCain but is his funeral the proper place to trash the current president? I also understand that Obama made some swipes as well (I had turned it off before that).

 I remember the countless hypocrites on both sides that said some very unflattering things about then candidate McCain during the 08 presidential election and that includes Obama. Now these same people are praising him as a maverick. This just proves to me that we picked the right man for the job in Trump. He is an outsider and they WON'T ever let him forget it. The whole "swamp" is nothing but a "brotherhood" of two faced, hypocritical snakes on both sides. The likes of Shumer,Pelosi,McConnell and all the rest of them deserve to go, and to get some new blood in there.  It's time to "drain the swamp".

 I extend my condolences to the McCain family for their loss but to turn his funeral into a political jab fest at the current administration is just plain wrong. This is of course just my opilion......

[f6john]

  I just hope we can have some candidates with their heads screwed on straight to run against the swamp creatures that need to go.

[Gavin_Sons]

It was the same with Aretha Franklins funeral.  Al Sharpton  said Trump should have respect then began to quote Arethas song, "RESPICT".  what a moron. Couldn't even spell it correctly.

[Chrisj CMA]

It was the same with Aretha Franklins funeral.  Al Sharpton  said Trump should have respect then began to quote Arethas song, "RESPICT".  what a moron. Couldn't even spell it correctly.

He cant spell it correctly because he doesn't know what it is.  There hasn't been a larger group of (adjective withheld) photographed together in a long long time.

[Farside]

I watched some of his funeral service this morning. I watched while his wife placed a wreath at the Vietnam wall. I watched as his casket was placed in the church. Then I watched his daughter give a very emotional eulogy to her father. That is up until  her blatant disrespectful jabs at president Trump.  I understand that Sen McCain and Trump didn't get along at all and I sure has hell don't agree with some of the comments made by Trump towards McCain but is his funeral the proper place to trash the current president? I also understand that Obama made some swipes as well (I had turned it off before that).

 I remember the countless hypocrites on both sides that said some very unflattering things about then candidate McCain during the 08 presidential election and that includes Obama. Now these same people are praising him as a maverick. This just proves to me that we picked the right man for the job in Trump. He is an outsider and they WON'T ever let him forget it. The whole "swamp" is nothing but a "brotherhood" of two faced, hypocritical snakes on both sides. The likes of Shumer,Pelosi,McConnell and all the rest of them deserve to go, and to get some new blood in there.  It's time to "drain the swamp".

 I extend my condolences to the McCain family for their loss but to turn his funeral into a political jab fest at the current administration is just plain wrong. This is of course just my opilion......

  BINGO!   Just taking advantage of the stage that was set! ( Prayers to the family ) He obviously didn't rub these libs wrong.  

[Pete]

I watched NONE of it, on purpose.
I have a very bad attitude when it comes to hypocrites, stupid and politicians. Seems all were present.

Based on your comments looks like I did the right thing. Thanks for the report and saving my time.
Good job, I guess someone had to do it, glad it was not me.

Condolences to the family.

I will send some pine knots to help with the fires.

[..]

Another funeral. Another eulogy. Worth reading link.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6120683/Old-school-eulogy-Aretha-Franklin-funeral-ignites-wrath.html

[KUGO]

I watched NONE of it, on purpose.
I have a very bad attitude when it comes to hypocrites, stupid and politicians. Seems all were present.

Based on your comments looks like I did the right thing. Thanks for the report and saving my time.
Good job, I guess someone had to do it, glad it was not me.

Condolences to the family.

I will send some pine knots to help with the fires.

Thank you for expressing my own sentiments to a "T". I probably wouldn't have expressed it as well as you did and would have maybe hurt someone's feelings while trying.  I used to really respect McCain, years ago.  Then I started to see who he really was when he started talking about all of the "progress" of the past 70 years that was created by the likes of him (and others I've found I don't agree with) and how President Trump has "threatened" it.  Senator McCain, I considered you the threat.  Thumbs down to you (and with a similar grin on my face as you had, as I say it back to you) and all of your cronies who hypocritically exalt you now.  You are worthy only of each other.

[phideux]

Another funeral. Another eulogy. Worth reading link.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6120683/Old-school-eulogy-Aretha-Franklin-funeral-ignites-wrath.html

That was awesome, more Black leaders should aspire to be like him, he speaks the truth.

[Rams]

Watched a significant portion of it.     Saw several of the eulogies, some were way too political and hateful but considering who was being eulogized, it didn't surprise me.

What can I say, it was raining here and I couldn't mow or go for a ride on the fat lady...... 

Aretha Franklin's service was similar as I understand it.   

I suppose one could expect politics at McCain's services but Franklin's?   

Let no opportunity pass where a politician won't try to get brownie points....   

Rams

[Willow]

On the news program here (I almost never watch the "news") they reported that John McCain specifically instructed that the sitting President of The U.S. not be invited.  My parents taught me not to speak evil of the dead.  I will say no more.

[The emperor has no clothes]

On the news program here (I almost never watch the "news") they reported that John McCain specifically instructed that the sitting President of The U.S. not be invited.  My parents taught me not to speak evil of the dead.  I will say no more.

Isn’t that in effect what you just did ?

[Bighead]

On the news program here (I almost never watch the "news") they reported that John McCain specifically instructed that the sitting President of The U.S. not be invited.  My parents taught me not to speak evil of the dead.  I will say no more.

Isn’t that in effect what you just did ?

Rob I see no where he spoke ill of the dead. Lib vs conservative minds once again.

[Rams]

On the news program here (I almost never watch the "news") they reported that John McCain specifically instructed that the sitting President of The U.S. not be invited.  My parents taught me not to speak evil of the dead.  I will say no more.

Isn’t that in effect what you just did ?

Lib vs conservative minds once again.

Unlikely, probably more of an attempted but failed “gotcha”.

Rams

[RP#62]

I can't help but wonder how much pomp, circumstance and tv coverage there would have been had he been an ardent supporter of the current president.

-RP

[baldo]

For everyone so upset about the recent services, know this.

trump has earned every bit of derision and karma headed his way. That flag fiasco is a good example.

I wasn't a big McCain fan, but I respected his work. I really don't understand where all the hate is coming from. He had more honor and integrity in one finger that trump could ever imagine.

[Bighead]

For everyone so upset about the recent services, know this.

trump has earned every bit of derision and karma headed his way. That flag fiasco is a good example.

I wasn't a big McCain fan, but I respected his work. I really don't understand where all the hate is coming from. He had more honor and integrity in one finger that trump could ever imagine.

Trump says bring it

[Rams]

He had more honor and integrity in one finger that trump could ever imagine.

Well, that there’s one man’s opinion.

Rams

[Willow]

For everyone so upset about the recent services, know this.

trump has earned every bit of derision and karma headed his way. That flag fiasco is a good example.

I wasn't a big McCain fan, but I respected his work. I really don't understand where all the hate is coming from. He had more honor and integrity in one finger that trump could ever imagine.

There are a few things wrong wit your observation.

I'm sure you meant than rather than that.

If you don't understand where all the "hate" is coming from it's because you are blinded by your own.

You are the authoritative expert on what President Trump is able to imagine?  On honor?  On integrity?   Actually that entire sentence was so stupid I'm sure I didn't fully understand what it was intended to mean.

I was not a big McCain fan either but I didn't hate him.  I voted for him against the offered alternative.  War hero?  I admired some of the choices he made as a POW.  Other than being shot down and held against his will his military career was largely unnotable.  His career in the Senate was very largely notable.

baldo, what causes you to be the expert on honor, integrity, or even patriotism?  What did you give?  How did you serve?  How has integrity been a hallmark of your life?  I hold your opinion in low esteem based upon past display.  "We'll try to do better..."  Integrity?  Honor?

Flag fiasco?  If I understand correctly the traditional period of grieving a member of Congress (flag at half staff) is two days.  Further, by flag etiquette the national flag is only flown at half staff at the order of the President.  It's his decision.

John McCain insulted the sitting President by leaving instructions to exclude him from the funeral and you're focusing on the President's decision not to hold the period of grief for more than the traditional period?  All other living Presidents were present at the funeral.  That's a pretty obvious public insult and act of unpatriotism by either the dead man or his family.    

[f6john]

Since it seems that McCain planned out his send off, I only noticed one thing missing, humility. Overall I liked the guy and respected his own service. But this dog and pony show was just to poke Trump in the eye. And I’m ok with that ,Trump is a big boy with plenty of his own faults and life will go on.

[Moonshot_1]

The man served and sacrificed for our Country. He has died. At this time of his passing we should extol the highlights of his career and hold that up as the model to strive for. We have years to critique him and totality of his career. But now is the time for Honor and Respect for him and his family.

[Valker]

For everyone so upset about the recent services, know this.

trump has earned every bit of derision and karma headed his way. That flag fiasco is a good example.

I wasn't a big McCain fan, but I respected his work. I really don't understand where all the hate is coming from. He had more honor and integrity in one finger that trump could ever imagine.

I still think that the Trump haters vomit these statements out with nothing at all, except emotion, to back them up. What he has accomplished is phenomenal to me. I didn't vote for the man based on his morals, past behaviors, multiple marriages, any hookers he was with, etc. I voted for him to do EXACTLY what he has been doing in returning the USA to preeminence in the world, make the economy the best and biggest in the world, restore some of the pride of nationalism I used to have, and make us strong enough to deter attacks. I think he's doing that.
What do YOU want to happen in this country that he isn't doing? Please, no opinions-facts.

[Valker]

The man served and sacrificed for our Country. He has died. At this time of his passing we should extol the highlights of his career and hold that up as the model to strive for. We have years to critique him and totality of his career. But now is the time for Honor and Respect for him and his family.

I'll give him as much honor as his family will give me at my funeral. I did not like the man while he lived, why would I because he died.

[Pete]

.........
trump has earned every bit of derision and karma headed his way.

So have we all. That is no great new news.

I wasn't a big McCain fan, but I respected his work.

Somewhat mutually exclusive, make up your mind.

He had more honor and integrity in one finger that trump could ever imagine.

I assume that this is a joke as it is quite funny.

Huumm maybe this whole response was a joke? Kinda looks that way.

     

[retirednavy]

His last wishes I don’t want Trump there! Good man

[Moonshot_1]

The man served and sacrificed for our Country. He has died. At this time of his passing we should extol the highlights of his career and hold that up as the model to strive for. We have years to critique him and totality of his career. But now is the time for Honor and Respect for him and his family.

I'll give him as much honor as his family will give me at my funeral. I did not like the man while he lived, why would I because he died.

Compassion. Simple compassion.

[Pete]

The man served and sacrificed for our Country. He has died. At this time of his passing we should extol the highlights of his career and hold that up as the model to strive for. We have years to critique him and totality of his career. But now is the time for Honor and Respect for him and his family.

Actually we should tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth or everyone should shut up if the whole truth hurts to much.

[Robert]

On the news program here (I almost never watch the "news") they reported that John McCain specifically instructed that the sitting President of The U.S. not be invited.  My parents taught me not to speak evil of the dead.  I will say no more.

Isn’t that in effect what you just did ?

 

So let me get this straight, In your judgement and your addressing it, it was ok for the senator to make a gesture in not inviting the sitting president, but what was evil that Willow quoted the senators own wishes. 

Say by the way since the Clinton foundation closed shop I hear the donations to the McCain Institute have risen dramatically. The same foundation that the senator wanted several times to distance himself from, I wonder what will happen now to the foundation?  Seems Saudi Arabia and Soros will have to find another person to back.

There was no flag fiasco it was at the discretion of the president for flag etiquette, the senator should of thought of that before he said he did not want Trump to attend.

Nothing was lost on Megans swipe of America has always been great either so politics did figure in so business as usual even after death.

[John Schmidt]

Both are dead and gone, let it rest. Their personal legacy will live on for some time and I won't be affected by either for the most part. Re. McCain, I felt his military career wasn't any more outstanding than many others of that same era. The fact that he became a U.S. Senator for the most part is the only reason his military stint was highlighted. Beyond that, I didn't really care for man as a politician although he may have been a wonderful family man. Kudos for that if so. Compared to Aretha Franklin....you can't. It's apples to oranges, however I did find it much easier to listen to her than him. I'd be willing to wager she had a more positive impact on more lives than he did, but that's just my opinion.

As for the funerals, I had no desire to watch either. I've seen enough of them in my lifetime and all were more important to me than those two.

[gordonv]

As for the funerals, I had no desire to watch either. I've seen enough of them in my lifetime and all were more important to me than those two.

Here! Here!

I usually have nothing to add to these kinds of talks, I'm not very up in the know in the past details to be able to add anything, only what is current. But I second what John wrote. It has nothing of interest, and will still mean nothing to me in 20 years time, or affect me in any meaningful way.

[Serk]

[Savago]

John McCain insulted the sitting President by leaving instructions to exclude him from the funeral and you're focusing on the President's decision not to hold the period of grief for more than the traditional period?  All other living Presidents were present at the funeral.  That's a pretty obvious public insult and act of unpatriotism by either the dead man or his family.    

I hope this doesn't get me kicked...

And first, I mean no disrespect, but let's go:

a) 'McCain insulted the sitting President...' and so has Trump insulted him, in many occasions. You reap what you sow.

b) 'All other living Presidents were present at the funeral.'. My guess here is that McCain disagreed with Obama + Bush but believed they were still looking after interests of USA (or at least trying...). Trump only cares about himself and rule by seeding division in USA and the world.

c) 'That's a pretty obvious public insult and act of unpatriotism by either the dead man or his family'. If you are ruled by a Tyrant, it is not only your right to rebel, but actually your patriotic duty to do so. This is how this country was founded.

Plus: Trump != Patriotism. You can still love this great nation and disagree with the current president. Otherwise we wouldn't be living in a democracy, but in a monarchy.
 

[Robert]

My guess

Right there is the problem, your opinion admittedly its a guess. I know you like to read but how about some research on the relationships and actions of not only McCain but Obama and the rest. Then your statement does not have to be a guess it could be based on fact. Not the Snopes type of fact either. There is an old saying birds of a feather stick together. While your at it, look into the McCain Institute both the good and bad and see what you come up with.

The, "right to rebel against a tyrant", hummm lets see,Im not really sure who you mean, maybe failed socialist utopia Venezuela or South Africa where they are killing and confiscating farmers land. In fact in South Africa they are making the constitution of that country legal to do this. By the way they also made a law that the people had to turn in their guns. Lets see maybe you mean past administrations that went to war without provocation or finding weapons of mass destruction, like Bush? Or made laws for security reasons that violated the constitution of the US.

What I see here and now in the US is more jobs, better economy, businesses coming back, better trade agreements and a wall going up. I also see the treasonous plan of those who would take over the US government by conspiracy is being exposed and prosecuted which McCain was central in, by delivering a known false document treasonous and false in nature paid for by Clinton planed and known by many. Which if he did know the nature of when he in fact was called on it was rebellious not caring or repentant and said K my A.  I also see that those who are in on this act are the ones invited to McCain's funeral and had the loudest praise of the man.

What I also did see is a senator who promised to go one way on a vote and walked to the senate when he should have been in the hospital, specifically and proudly to turn thumbs down on a vote to sink the plan, to save American citizens money and health care. Voting in stark contrast to his word and promised way to vote. In this process and moment of vindictiveness hurt the middle class US citizens as a whole much less the sitting president though. I also remember his defying words you can K my A if you dont like it.

So a guess does not quite cut it in this situation and calling a sitting president a Tyrant does not apply either. I would guess that Snopes might agree with some of your guess though since they also have their problems but your guess should not be a guess. Since facts should be known to substantiate any claim otherwise its based on emotion only.

Since Facebook is using Snopes to fact check their site lets see whats behind it
https://youtu.be/OiQlUUTBogI

[9Ball]

It’s funny how a death elevates that person’s praise...and negates all the bad things the person was criticized for during their life.

Can’t even watch a funeral without listening to political hate.

[cookiedough]

Since it seems that McCain planned out his send off, I only noticed one thing missing, humility. Overall I liked the guy and respected his own service. But this dog and pony show was just to poke Trump in the eye. And I’m ok with that ,Trump is a big boy with plenty of his own faults and life will go on.

well said!

It was his own funeral let him do what he wants, it is HIS, NOT anyone else's passing.  NO different if say I hated one of my family or friends at my funeral.  If I did not want that person to be there, then it should be MY OWN choice and respect it as it is.  Not like I could do anything about it though since not living.....

[Chrisj CMA]

John McCain insulted the sitting President by leaving instructions to exclude him from the funeral and you're focusing on the President's decision not to hold the period of grief for more than the traditional period?  All other living Presidents were present at the funeral.  That's a pretty obvious public insult and act of unpatriotism by either the dead man or his family.    

I hope this doesn't get me kicked...

And first, I mean no disrespect, but let's go:

a) 'McCain insulted the sitting President...' and so has Trump insulted him, in many occasions. You reap what you sow.

b) 'All other living Presidents were present at the funeral.'. My guess here is that McCain disagreed with Obama + Bush but believed they were still looking after interests of USA (or at least trying...). Trump only cares about himself and rule by seeding division in USA and the world.

c) 'That's a pretty obvious public insult and act of unpatriotism by either the dead man or his family'. If you are ruled by a Tyrant, it is not only your right to rebel, but actually your patriotic duty to do so. This is how this country was founded.

Plus: Trump != Patriotism. You can still love this great nation and disagree with the current president. Otherwise we wouldn't be living in a democracy, but in a monarchy.
 

Dude you really need to escape from California before all your brain cells are deprived of rational thought altogether.

So, Donald Trump left his cush life of a billionaire to be ridiculed and lied abut daily because he only cares about himself?  I think not!

He's keeping his promises, America is winning, the things he said would improve are improving.

Liberals like many in your state can't stand the fact that President Trump is out performing their prize fake president so they sling dirt. Childish!

You believe too much of that dirt.

[98valk]

 https://www.theamericanconservative.com/.../mccain-and.../ https://www.alternet.org/.../i_spent_years_as_a_pow_with...


let’s remember what McCain’s real legacy is: His father was the Admiral in charge of the Pacific fleet prosecuting the war in
Vietnam Nam.

Because of this McCain got preferential treatment in the Navy. He was allowed to become a Navy pilot. But he was a terrible pilot.

McCain crashed two Navy Jets in his early career. Then while aboard the Aircraft Carrier USS Forrestal, McCain got angry because he had to wait in line to take off on a bombing run.

He shut off his engines, opened the cockpit, and in his haste to exit the aircraft to chew someone out about his having to ” wait”, he hit the button that released his live bombs onto the deck of the Forrestal.

He took off running, as the bombs exploded, which set off a chain reaction of bombs from adjacent aircraft, and the ensuing explosions and fires killed 133 sailors aboard the Forrestal.

While his fellow sailors were fighting the fire, McCain went to the pilot’s lounge below decks and watched the men fight the fire on closed circuit TV.

Hours later, McCain took off with a New York Times reporter buddy of his, and went on to say that after seeing the effects of those bombs on the Forrestal, he was beginning to question the morality of dropping those bombs on the Viet Cong.

McCain was the direct cause of 133 deaths on his own ship, and was never reprimanded. He was nowhere to be found as the Forrestal had to limp to the Philippines for months of repair work. https://theroperreportsite.wordpress.com/.../the-real.../

[98valk]

why is McCain's records about his war records sealed?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnlQpKdNjWU


its been reported many times that he disobeyed orders, flew where he wasn't supposed to fly and then was shot down.

[98valk]

he was known by the communists as "Songbird". Listen to the tape he made while being a pow. No hero. An absolute traitor... not to mention what he's done during his political career.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHF0yXrwr-0

[MAD6Gun]

John McCain insulted the sitting President by leaving instructions to exclude him from the funeral and you're focusing on the President's decision not to hold the period of grief for more than the traditional period?  All other living Presidents were present at the funeral.  That's a pretty obvious public insult and act of unpatriotism by either the dead man or his family.    

I hope this doesn't get me kicked...

And first, I mean no disrespect, but let's go:

a) 'McCain insulted the sitting President...' and so has Trump insulted him, in many occasions. You reap what you sow.

b) 'All other living Presidents were present at the funeral.'. My guess here is that McCain disagreed with Obama + Bush but believed they were still looking after interests of USA (or at least trying...). Trump only cares about himself and rule by seeding division in USA and the world.

c) 'That's a pretty obvious public insult and act of unpatriotism by either the dead man or his family'. If you are ruled by a Tyrant, it is not only your right to rebel, but actually your patriotic duty to do so. This is how this country was founded.

Plus: Trump != Patriotism. You can still love this great nation and disagree with the current president. Otherwise we wouldn't be living in a democracy, but in a monarchy.
 

Dude you really need to escape from California before all your brain cells are deprived of rational thought altogether.

So, Donald Trump left his cush life of a billionaire to be ridiculed and lied abut daily because he only cares about himself?  I think not!

He's keeping his promises, America is winning, the things he said would improve are improving.

Liberals like many in your state can't stand the fact that President Trump is out performing their prize fake president so they sling dirt. Childish!

You believe too much of that dirt.

 Well said Jeff...
I'm am so sick of people calling Trump a Nazi,Hitler,Facist,dictator and a tyrant. Did I miss anything? Trump is none of these things and if you believe he is you don't know history.  Unless he is rounding up illegals and sending them to the gas chambers he is NOT Hitler or a nazi. Everytime some idiot says so, they denigrate what the Jewish people went through under that Tyrant.

 In my opinion ALL established  politicians in DC are in the same swamp. What I mean is they trash each other at every turn but in this case they all have a common enemy in Trump that they come together to denigrate him. Like I said Trump is not one of THEM. I dont think he went to DC to make friends.

 A good example of this is Hillary Clinton and Obama during the 08 primary. They trashed each other at every turn but he made her secretary of state. That is how DC works. Enemies one second best of friends the next. Whatever they have to do to make themselves more powerful...