How America can get another four years of Trump

[Rams]

Commentary: How America can get another four years of Trump

See the link:
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/commentary-how-america-can-get-another-four-years-of-trump/
Rams.  

[..]

If you didn't know that web site is nothing to do with CBS news.

[Rams]

If you didn't know that web site is nothing to do with CBS news.

Don't really care in this case, most of it rings true regardless.

Rams

[DirtyDan]

If you didn't know that web site is nothing to do with CBS news.

Looks like CBS to me

What am I missing ?

Dan

[..]

If you didn't know that web site is nothing to do with CBS news.

Looks like CBS to me

What am I missing ?

Dan

Here's the CBS web site

https://www.cbs.com/

Note the posted link is cbsnews

I posted something from it a while ago and was corrected at that time.

[..]

If you didn't know that web site is nothing to do with CBS news.

Don't really care in this case, most of it rings true regardless.

Rams

 

[The emperor has no clothes]

"Ask activist Trump supporters what they think of Obama's presidency. They'll tell you it was eight years of bare-knuckle partisanship beneath of the velvet glove of a winning smile and friendly media coverage.  Are they right? Maybe, maybe not. But it's what they believe."
 To me this is the crux of the reason we have such a divide in our country. The idea that facts aren't really important, but if one side feels slighted that's all that matters. FACTS DO MATTER !

[Rams]

FACTS DO MATTER !

They sure do.   The facts are we are spending your grandkids future on all kinds of free stuff and vote buying programs.   Prove me wrong and show me which party promotes the most give always....

Be sure to advise your grandkids to take a foreign language, Chinese would be a good choice.
I am not a Trump fan but the Dems gave me no acceptable options.   HRC is and was pure evil.

Rams

[The emperor has no clothes]

FACTS DO MATTER !

They sure do.   The facts are we are spending your grandkids future on all kinds of free stuff and vote buying programs.   Prove me wrong and show me which party promotes the most give always....

Be sure to advise you grandkids to take a foreign language, Chinese would be a good choice.
I am not a Trump fan but the Dems gave me no acceptable options.   HRC is and was pure evil.

Rams

Those pesky facts again. Do you have any idea of the budget deficits we are currently running up  ?

[Rams]

FACTS DO MATTER !

They sure do.   The facts are we are spending your grandkids future on all kinds of free stuff and vote buying programs.   Prove me wrong and show me which party promotes the most give always....

Be sure to advise you grandkids to take a foreign language, Chinese would be a good choice.
I am not a Trump fan but the Dems gave me no acceptable options.   HRC is and was pure evil.

Rams

Those pesky facts again. Do you have any idea of the budget deficits we are currently running up  ?

To some extent, I saw your graph in another thread.   Those deficits are a result of legislation from......?

[The emperor has no clothes]

FACTS DO MATTER !

They sure do.   The facts are we are spending your grandkids future on all kinds of free stuff and vote buying programs.   Prove me wrong and show me which party promotes the most give always....

Be sure to advise you grandkids to take a foreign language, Chinese would be a good choice.
I am not a Trump fan but the Dems gave me no acceptable options.   HRC is and was pure evil.

Rams

Those pesky facts again. Do you have any idea of the budget deficits we are currently running up  ?

To some extent, I saw your graph in another thread.   Those deficits are a result of legislation from......?

Not even related. That was a pie chart of where our money goes. The question I asked, was do you know what our CURRENT budget deficit is ? You can believe what you want, it won't change the facts though. (That was kind of my point)

[f6john]

I care as much about facts as Obama does, do I get a prize or anything?

[Robert]

The facts humm lets see if I can give a few that are relative to me and others

Health insurance is now more than some mortgages and has effectively gone up 400 percent.
credit card interest has doubled
rules and regs for business has gotten in some cases extreme
The middle class has shrunk because of higher costs
The one percenters have increased
The highest number of food stamp recipients
the biggest tax increase, (health care)
The biggest hand out (tarp) started under Bush
More regs and power by the tax collector (directly under health care)
More and higher taxes
More government intrusion into dr patient privilege
Change in marriage
Change in how churches report
Change in churches now have to have guards
The rise in the cost of living and goods and services
Banking has gotten much more regulated
Loss of income
Loss of retirement funding
Have to work harder and longer to afford things since health care now takes a big chunk of money. Plus the cost of living is higher.
My first and second amendments infringed upon

These are facts that do not need research since its what I and most have experienced under Obama. 
This is not routed in some statistic but in the daily lives of most Americans and more importantly my own.

Things that have not directly affected me as much
The loss of full time jobs
The loss of the technical end of the US having trades
The loss of being able to hire inexperienced workers at a rate that businesses can afford
The loss of knowing that the tax return is going to be a windfall for most people

Now the benefits of Obama
?

Not being funny just looking at it from my living perspective, since I have not seen any benefit in the Obama administration in my daily life.


There are things like being frustrated at those on welfare and disability and such programs seem to have a pretty good gaurenteed income.
I see those that cannot afford health care are given free health care when I and others pay through the nose and cannot afford is a subjective statement. I see some in the middle class that can squeeze out a living and cannot afford health care are paying in penalities that puts them further in the hole.

I see health care passed, scandal and admitted to being a sham even by the framers, judged a tax by the supreme court, congres gets free passed free health care for themselves ,yet NOTHING done except under Trump when McCain torpedoed reform by walking in defiantly and giving a thumbs down then walking out.
 
I see many stripped of health care since they work part time

I see many wages lower since they work part time

I see fat cats getting richer and I see families struggling more while the poor are given benefits and didnt have to work. I see mothers having babies and the state paying for ALL the health care of them

I saw so many loose houses and not be able to refinance their homes and the then the tarp hand out and the promise of Obama that programs were there to help when there were NONE available and the banks would NOT negotiate.

I see the US president that many want to have hope in bow to a Saudi king and ruin the hope many would have in there president

I see guns being regulated so everyone can protect themselves from the increase in violence

I see congress and senators all getting away with things that would put the common man in jail

I see congress speak of passing laws to benefit the poor when I see middle class families struggling and falling into the poverty bracket.

I see congress speak of passing laws without regard to the impact those laws have all the time they have million dollar packages and spiffs.

I see water rights being restricted and gardens made illegal

I see the Bundys having to protect their cattle and having a stand off with the government and facing death just to graze their cattle

I see the rise of the police state in plate scanners, facial recognition, and so much more

All of this under OBAMA all by my own eyes and all without having to look at the papers or the news to much.



I believe Trump will be elected for another 4 more years and after that it may get very interesting.

In the OP's video if you listen to the introduction that is pretty much all you need to hear, regardless of anything else.

[Pete]

In today's world most political animals are factually challenged.
Facts are not and have not been the problem.
Lies are the problem and those that repeat them and those that cannot or will not tell the difference.

As for the original topic, I will "settle" for 4 more years of NOT liberal progressive.
That is not what I want, only what I will "settle" for.

[Rams]

FACTS DO MATTER !

They sure do.   The facts are we are spending your grandkids future on all kinds of free stuff and vote buying programs.   Prove me wrong and show me which party promotes the most give always....

Be sure to advise you grandkids to take a foreign language, Chinese would be a good choice.
I am not a Trump fan but the Dems gave me no acceptable options.   HRC is and was pure evil.

Rams

Those pesky facts again. Do you have any idea of the budget deficits we are currently running up  ?

To some extent, I saw your graph in another thread.   Those deficits are a result of legislation from......?

Not even related. That was a pie chart of where our money goes. The question I asked, was do you know what our CURRENT budget deficit is ? You can believe what you want, it won't change the facts though. (That was kind of my point)

And, my point was who is/was (party) responsible for the legislation allowing those massive deficits you are so proud of.    Deflecting the discussion to the size of the deficit doesn't put a tail on that donkey.   

What is the Democratic Party leadership's answer those deficits?   In most cases it's more taxes on those already carrying the burden, more give away vote buying legislation.   
It's easy to spend other people's money.   

IMHO, DJC was elected due to two major issues.   Conservative Americans wanted change from the Obama era path and the Dems offered up a candidate that was totally unacceptable.

Rams

[..]

 Conservative Americans wanted change from the Obama era path and the Dems offered up a candidate that was totally unacceptable.

Rams

 

Plus Robert missed

IRS used to quash alternative politics
DOJ being used to destroy a business

What benefited the average tax paying, legal citizen of the USA during the Obama 8 years?

[The emperor has no clothes]

FACTS DO MATTER !

They sure do.   The facts are we are spending your grandkids future on all kinds of free stuff and vote buying programs.   Prove me wrong and show me which party promotes the most give always....

Be sure to advise you grandkids to take a foreign language, Chinese would be a good choice.
I am not a Trump fan but the Dems gave me no acceptable options.   HRC is and was pure evil.

Rams

Those pesky facts again. Do you have any idea of the budget deficits we are currently running up  ?

To some extent, I saw your graph in another thread.   Those deficits are a result of legislation from......?

Not even related. That was a pie chart of where our money goes. The question I asked, was do you know what our CURRENT budget deficit is ? You can believe what you want, it won't change the facts though. (That was kind of my point)

And, my point was who is/was (party) responsible for the legislation allowing those massive deficits you are so proud of.    Deflecting the discussion to the size of the deficit doesn't put a tail on that donkey.   

What is the Democratic Party leadership's answer those deficits?   In most cases it's more taxes on those already carrying the burden, more give away vote buying legislation.   
It's easy to spend other people's money.   

IMHO, DJC was elected due to two major issues.   Conservative Americans wanted change from the Obama era path and the Dems offered up a candidate that was totally unacceptable.

Rams

You truly are deluded. Where have I ever said or implied I am proud of deficits ? You have evidently let your mind become so warped with hate for the other party that you can't see that we are racking up massive budget deficits with the current regime of leaders (who call themselves conservatives)

[Rams]

FACTS DO MATTER !

They sure do.   The facts are we are spending your grandkids future on all kinds of free stuff and vote buying programs.   Prove me wrong and show me which party promotes the most give always....

Be sure to advise you grandkids to take a foreign language, Chinese would be a good choice.
I am not a Trump fan but the Dems gave me no acceptable options.   HRC is and was pure evil.

Rams

Those pesky facts again. Do you have any idea of the budget deficits we are currently running up  ?

To some extent, I saw your graph in another thread.   Those deficits are a result of legislation from......?

Not even related. That was a pie chart of where our money goes. The question I asked, was do you know what our CURRENT budget deficit is ? You can believe what you want, it won't change the facts though. (That was kind of my point)

And, my point was who is/was (party) responsible for the legislation allowing those massive deficits you are so proud of.    Deflecting the discussion to the size of the deficit doesn't put a tail on that donkey.   

What is the Democratic Party leadership's answer those deficits?   In most cases it's more taxes on those already carrying the burden, more give away vote buying legislation.   
It's easy to spend other people's money.   

IMHO, DJC was elected due to two major issues.   Conservative Americans wanted change from the Obama era path and the Dems offered up a candidate that was totally unacceptable.

Rams

You truly are deluded. Where have I ever said or implied I am proud of deficits ? You have evidently let your mind become so warped with hate for the other party that you can't see that we are racking up massive budget deficits with the current regime of leaders (who call themselves conservatives)

Again, more deflection.   

Just for your information, I also recognize the Republicans have some undesirables within their ranks.
Again, who or what party is responsible for all (or the vast majority) of the vote buying legislation and give away programs? 

BTW, I became a registered Democrat almost two years ago.   Hoping to help change that party from within.   So far, it ain't working......   

Rams

[hubcapsc]

If you didn't know that web site is nothing to do with CBS news.

Looks like CBS to me

What am I missing ?

Dan

Here's the CBS web site

https://www.cbs.com/

Note the posted link is cbsnews

I posted something from it a while ago and was corrected at that time.

www.cbs.com leads to the main web site for the CBS network. If you click on the "news" link
on the www.cbs.com web page, it leads to cbsnews.com.

That is to say... cbsnews.com is CBS's news site...

-Mike

[MAD6Gun]

FACTS DO MATTER !

They sure do.   The facts are we are spending your grandkids future on all kinds of free stuff and vote buying programs.   Prove me wrong and show me which party promotes the most give always....

Be sure to advise you grandkids to take a foreign language, Chinese would be a good choice.
I am not a Trump fan but the Dems gave me no acceptable options.   HRC is and was pure evil.

Rams

Those pesky facts again. Do you have any idea of the budget deficits we are currently running up  ?

To some extent, I saw your graph in another thread.   Those deficits are a result of legislation from......?

Not even related. That was a pie chart of where our money goes. The question I asked, was do you know what our CURRENT budget deficit is ? You can believe what you want, it won't change the facts though. (That was kind of my point)

And, my point was who is/was (party) responsible for the legislation allowing those massive deficits you are so proud of.    Deflecting the discussion to the size of the deficit doesn't put a tail on that donkey.   

What is the Democratic Party leadership's answer those deficits?   In most cases it's more taxes on those already carrying the burden, more give away vote buying legislation.   
It's easy to spend other people's money.   

IMHO, DJC was elected due to two major issues.   Conservative Americans wanted change from the Obama era path and the Dems offered up a candidate that was totally unacceptable.

Rams

You truly are deluded. Where have I ever said or implied I am proud of deficits ? You have evidently let your mind become so warped with hate for the other party that you can't see that we are racking up massive budget deficits with the current regime of leaders (who call themselves conservatives)

 We as conservatives believe the eight years of Obama were an absolute disaster. Even some dems did too. My wife's democratic aunt and uncle voted for Trump because of what Obama did to this country.

 I have a question for you Rob. Hillary basically ran on Obama's policies. If said policies were so great how did Trump win?
She should have won in a landside.

The fact is Obama almost doubled the national debt. DOUBLED. More than the previous 43 presidents combined.  There is a fact for you.

 Trump won because Obama's hopeless change didn't work and America didn't want more of the same with Hillary.

[The emperor has no clothes]

FACTS DO MATTER !

They sure do.   The facts are we are spending your grandkids future on all kinds of free stuff and vote buying programs.   Prove me wrong and show me which party promotes the most give always....

Be sure to advise you grandkids to take a foreign language, Chinese would be a good choice.
I am not a Trump fan but the Dems gave me no acceptable options.   HRC is and was pure evil.

Rams

Those pesky facts again. Do you have any idea of the budget deficits we are currently running up  ?

To some extent, I saw your graph in another thread.   Those deficits are a result of legislation from......?

Not even related. That was a pie chart of where our money goes. The question I asked, was do you know what our CURRENT budget deficit is ? You can believe what you want, it won't change the facts though. (That was kind of my point)

And, my point was who is/was (party) responsible for the legislation allowing those massive deficits you are so proud of.    Deflecting the discussion to the size of the deficit doesn't put a tail on that donkey.   

What is the Democratic Party leadership's answer those deficits?   In most cases it's more taxes on those already carrying the burden, more give away vote buying legislation.   
It's easy to spend other people's money.   

IMHO, DJC was elected due to two major issues.   Conservative Americans wanted change from the Obama era path and the Dems offered up a candidate that was totally unacceptable.

Rams

You truly are deluded. Where have I ever said or implied I am proud of deficits ? You have evidently let your mind become so warped with hate for the other party that you can't see that we are racking up massive budget deficits with the current regime of leaders (who call themselves conservatives)

 We as conservatives believe the eight years of Obama were an absolute disaster. Even some dems did too. My wife's democratic aunt and uncle voted for Trump because of what Obama did to this country.

 I have a question for you Rob. Hillary basically ran on Obama's policies. If said policies were so great how did Trump win?
She should have won in a landside.

The fact is Obama almost doubled the national debt. DOUBLED. More than the previous 43 presidents combined.  There is a fact for you.

 Trump won because Obama's hopeless change didn't work and America didn't want more of the same with Hillary.

We have talked about why Clinton lost till the cows come home. She sucked as a candidate. The issue with Rams post is this : he seems to believe (along with many others) that we are in this debt of ours because Democrats give away all the money to buy votes. There are so many problems with this thesis, it would take a week to list them all. My point in trying to explain where we are at now is that the Republicans control the Senate, the Whitehouse, the House of Representatives. Yet last year we racked up a budget deficit of approximately 690 billion. This year these same "conservatives" are going to rack up close to 900 billion. Trump's own Whitehouse is projecting over a trillion each for the next 2 years. And this is happening in an environment of a booming economy, not a huge recession.
  Yeah, they are "Conservatives" all right. 

[..]

If you didn't know that web site is nothing to do with CBS news.

Looks like CBS to me

What am I missing ?

Dan

Here's the CBS web site

https://www.cbs.com/

Note the posted link is cbsnews

I posted something from it a while ago and was corrected at that time.

www.cbs.com leads to the main web site for the CBS network. If you click on the "news" link
on the www.cbs.com web page, it leads to cbsnews.com.

That is to say... cbsnews.com is CBS's news site...

-Mike

You are correct sir.

My rememberer failed.

[Willow]

...
  Yeah, they are "Conservatives" all right. 

You're right.  The majority of elected Republicans are not nearly as conservative as the ytrue conservatives would likel them to be.  Unfortunately, there are few truie conservatives offered as a choice.  Truthfully, factfully, those not-quite-conservative-enough Republicans are much, much closer to being truly conservative than the left wing options offered by the Democrat party.

The centrist migration of the Republican party has caused me to no longer identify myself as Republican.  It made no real difference in my voting pattern as I identify myself as very strongly anti-Democrat. 

[old2soon]

              Clinging to my Religion and my Guns and the Very FACT I had a choice-well still do at this point-to vote for the person I feel is right for the position. Anyone questioning either my Religion or my right to own Guns or call me a deplorable-B T W a tag I wear Proudly now-has lost me as a vote fer them. Course hrc-and B T W she NEVER had my vote-lost me after her feelings she aired after the debacle that WAS and IS Benghazi. I read the article. I find more Truth than anything else in the article. Guessin here I MUST have lost my way and gotten confused!   YEAH!   RIDE SAFE.

[The emperor has no clothes]

...
  Yeah, they are "Conservatives" all right. 

You're right.  The majority of elected Republicans are not nearly as conservative as the ytrue conservatives would likel them to be.  Unfortunately, there are few truie conservatives offered as a choice.  Truthfully, factfully, those not-quite-conservative-enough Republicans are much, much closer to being truly conservative than the left wing options offered by the Democrat party.

The centrist migration of the Republican party has caused me to no longer identify myself as Republican.  It made no real difference in my voting pattern as I identify myself as very strongly anti-Democrat. 

An honest representation  you are probably right about the amount of true conservatives being offered. The hypocrisy of them is what galls me.  (it looks like your hand is still healing) Get well soon !

[Gavin_Sons]

That's it, meathead changed my mind. I'm changing party lines from Republican to Democrat starting................ NOW!

Wonder how a Democrat voting Republican will be treated?

I'm a gun loving bible thumping Democrat.  

[Alberta Patriot]

I DON'T believe any polls...Lefty MSM polls are meant to discourage Trump voters...Fox polls are meant to scare Trump voters, encouraging them to SHOW UP come November...it's all in how the pollsters ask their "leading" questions.
Hillary was at 98% chance of winning, right up to election day...remember.
Today, Latino and Black Trump advocates have gone from around 5-10% to around 35%.(could be fake too) Reality is...Without almost full support from those communities the Democrats are in serious trouble!!! Chicago on the news every day is not helping the Democrats either.
That is why the level of Democrat/Lefty MSM Unhinged Vitriol is over the top!! Any normal sane liberal watching Maxine Waters outside California has to be thinking..."I can't vote for that".
I think the Democrat's secret Crystal Ball Readers have been handing them the actual bad news for some time....IMHO.

[The emperor has no clothes]

That's it, meathead changed my mind. I'm changing party lines from Republican to Democrat starting................ NOW!

Wonder how a Democrat voting Republican will be treated?

I'm a gun loving bible thumping Democrat.  

I don't know. Ask Evan, I guess. I've never been a member of either party and doubt I ever will. The only downside is it knocks me out of the primaries.

[f6john]

FACTS DO MATTER !

They sure do.   The facts are we are spending your grandkids future on all kinds of free stuff and vote buying programs.   Prove me wrong and show me which party promotes the most give always....

Be sure to advise you grandkids to take a foreign language, Chinese would be a good choice.
I am not a Trump fan but the Dems gave me no acceptable options.   HRC is and was pure evil.

Rams

Those pesky facts again. Do you have any idea of the budget deficits we are currently running up  ?

To some extent, I saw your graph in another thread.   Those deficits are a result of legislation from......?

Not even related. That was a pie chart of where our money goes. The question I asked, was do you know what our CURRENT budget deficit is ? You can believe what you want, it won't change the facts though. (That was kind of my point)

And, my point was who is/was (party) responsible for the legislation allowing those massive deficits you are so proud of.    Deflecting the discussion to the size of the deficit doesn't put a tail on that donkey.   

What is the Democratic Party leadership's answer those deficits?   In most cases it's more taxes on those already carrying the burden, more give away vote buying legislation.   
It's easy to spend other people's money.   

IMHO, DJC was elected due to two major issues.   Conservative Americans wanted change from the Obama era path and the Dems offered up a candidate that was totally unacceptable.

Rams

You truly are deluded. Where have I ever said or implied I am proud of deficits ? You have evidently let your mind become so warped with hate for the other party that you can't see that we are racking up massive budget deficits with the current regime of leaders (who call themselves conservatives)

 We as conservatives believe the eight years of Obama were an absolute disaster. Even some dems did too. My wife's democratic aunt and uncle voted for Trump because of what Obama did to this country.

 I have a question for you Rob. Hillary basically ran on Obama's policies. If said policies were so great how did Trump win?
She should have won in a landside.

The fact is Obama almost doubled the national debt. DOUBLED. More than the previous 43 presidents combined.  There is a fact for you.

 Trump won because Obama's hopeless change didn't work and America didn't want more of the same with Hillary.

We have talked about why Clinton lost till the cows come home. She sucked as a candidate. The issue with Rams post is this : he seems to believe (along with many others) that we are in this debt of ours because Democrats give away all the money to buy votes. There are so many problems with this thesis, it would take a week to list them all. My point in trying to explain where we are at now is that the Republicans control the Senate, the Whitehouse, the House of Representatives. Yet last year we racked up a budget deficit of approximately 690 billion. This year these same "conservatives" are going to rack up close to 900 billion. Trump's own Whitehouse is projecting over a trillion each for the next 2 years. And this is happening in an environment of a booming economy, not a huge recession.
  Yeah, they are "Conservatives" all right. 

It would be so much better to have said this in your first post to this thread. Calling someone I know to be a rational person, delusional is not productive. When you respond with your open ended questions and statements it puts off a intellectual holier than thou  attitude that does not sit well with most. I appreciate your recognition of the division of the country and our varying positions that are portrayed here and we should all embrace the need to see the other side and agree where we can.

One set of facts does not preclude the existence of other facts. Our debt is out of control, we can agree on that. I think we can put a large part of the blame on Islamic terrorists and that was probably their intent. Trump made some campaign pledges and he has delivered on some and is intent on continuing with his efforts. Our economic growth will not pull us out of the hole we are in by itself but it is sure better than what we experienced under Obama. I’m sure a bitter pill is coming our way but the New Democratic Party we’re seeing is surely not the answer.

[The emperor has no clothes]

My first post in the thread was a partial quote from Ram's linked article. There was no intent on my part to come off as holier than thou. My entire sentiment in this thread is for us to just be honest about the facts.

[Rams]

I fully expect the "House of Representitives" to go to Democrat control this election cycle.  It is what normally happens during mid-term elections.     The Dem base also seems to be energized.    Where I see the greatest problem is in the Dem leadership.    Dirty Harry is gone from the Senate (though his legacy still haunts both sides of the aisle) but Rep. Minority Leader Pelosi is still there. (Thank you California).   Rep. Waters is still there.   Then we have Schummuer.   What a freaking joke.  

It's not about what's good for America, it's all about what's good for the party.   Though, that statement is applicable to both parties.    It really comes down to the America you want.  

Most Conservatives (both Dem and Repubicans) want an America where everyone pulls their own load and have no problem with a "helping hand" but are damn tired of being taxed beyond reason to provide handouts to those who only work to live off the freebie system.    Those handout programs are a direct reflection of the Dem platform to buy votes.

Is the fiscal deficit out of control?   You bet your bippy it is.    Both parties share some blame but the majority of that blame falls directly on the Dem side of the aisle.

Rams

[baldo]

That's it, meathead changed my mind. I'm changing party lines from Republican to Democrat starting................ NOW!

Wonder how a Democrat voting Republican will be treated?

I'm a gun loving bible thumping Democrat.  

There's hope for you yet.....

[Jess from VA]

How America can get another four years of Trump

Have 0 making speeches on TV as often as possible.

[Gavin_Sons]

That's it, meathead changed my mind. I'm changing party lines from Republican to Democrat starting................ NOW!

Wonder how a Democrat voting Republican will be treated?

I'm a gun loving bible thumping Democrat.  

There's hope for you yet.....

I wouldn't put too much hope in me yet. I'm about to resign from any political party and let them figure it out. I think it is time for the people to rise up and overthrow the government. Take it back to what it was originally made to be.

[Rams]

How America can get another four years of Trump

Have 0 making speeches on TV as often as possible.

Wholeheartedly agree!

Just as President Trumps tweets energize the Liberal loyalist, former President Obama speeches energize the base that got Candidate Trump elected.    It's all about the America you want.

Thankfully now, SCOTUS will protect our Constitution for the next generation.  Now if only RBG would retire, we would be much better off.   

Rams

[f6john]

I think she has no intention of ever retiring. Given her age and health as much as we know, it will probably be a case of her going to sleep one evening and never waking back up.

[Robert]

Pelosi Reveals Plans For Investigative Gridlock If Dems Retake House

Just what we need an already ineffective organization with planned slow downs and more ineffectiveness, I sure hope they dont win. They should be arrested for this stuff.

With the US in need of good effective leadership and cooperation on many issues in Congress its just unbelievable that the US citizen is told to go to Hell while more and more games are played. Why dont they put this energy into the solving of problems instead of creating them.

[Bighead]

Pelosi Reveals Plans For Investigative Gridlock If Dems Retake House

Just what we need an already ineffective organization with planned slow downs and more ineffectiveness, I sure hope they dont win. They should be arrested for this stuff.

With the US in need of good effective leadership and cooperation on many issues in Congress its just unbelievable that the US citizen is told to go to Hell while more and more games are played. Why dont they put this energy into the solving of problems instead of creating them.

Because they dont care about us citizens,all they care about is chest thumping and saying look at me. Oh and then the pay and benifits for not doing a damn thing.

[f6john]

One Democrat running in Colorado trying to unseat a Republican is saying publicly hat he will not support Pelosi for speaker. I believe there are a few reasonable, responsible people in the Democratic camp but they are being drown out by the new left and the old guard. The leadership on both sides are almost bankrupt of any trust we put in them.

[Moonshot_1]

Back in late July, early August of 2016, I came to the conclusion that Donald Trump was going to be President. I even wrote it down somewhere. Maybe even posted it on these forums at the time.
The reason I came to that conclusion was largely based on the size of the Trump rallies during the campaign.

If you were to look at the polling data at the time, Clinton always seemed to be considerably ahead in the race. Yet it seemed Trump could fill a 30k arena at will and Clinton would struggle to fill any venue unless she brought along Hollywood stars and pop icons.

One of the points here is that this was not some anomaly. This was the common state of affairs at the time and the polls did not reflect that.

I would surmise that if Jeb Bush, Rubio or Cruz were the leading candidates in the Republican primary, they would have had the same level of support that Clinton had. Which is what the polling was showing.
The polling models being used were based on typical Republican/Democrat models. A 2 party system polling model.
 
But Trump, although running on the Republican ticket isn’t really a Republican in the establishment sense. Hell, the Republican establishment wants him out maybe even more than the Democrat establishment does. Trump is simply a pragmatist.

What the polling model didn’t and couldn’t consider was that there exists an entire political party, larger than either the Republican or Democrat parties. Ironically, Hillary named them. “The Deplorables”

These are a vast contingent of people who typically lean conservative and have become disillusioned about politics in this country. They have been waiting for a leader that was willing to stand up to the establishment and take them down. To fix the things that have been abused and broken. And Trump steps up.
 
His rallies continue. Trump generally fills most venues, generally large ones, with many more people looking to get in and usually does it with out a bunch of Hollywood or pop icon types. The people come to see and support Trump.

This leads me to think that there is likely to be a large red political wave for the midterms. And like the general election in 16, you are not going to see it in the polls but in the actual election. The polling models just can’t account for it. They don't know how.

On a related note, that Hillary lost because she was a "bad Candidate".
This is undeniably true. But on the morning of Nov. 8, 2016 every democrat in the country knew that Hillary was going to win, win in a landslide, because she was an awesomely great candidate. In the early evening, Hillary was going to win because she was a great candidate. Again, this was nearly universally true among the Democrats. By 11 o'clock she was one of the lousiest candidates we the Democrats ever had. "What were we thinking??"

Meanwhile the Republican were telling you all, "She stinks as a candidate" and told the Democrats that for a really long time.