not safe anywhere

[cookiedough]

My wife's company and my company both about 1 mile away were on lockdown for over 1 hour for the active shooter that happened yesterday in Middleton WI

https://www.channel3000.com/news/motive-unknown-in-middleton-office-shooting-officials-update-condition-of-victims/797536405

About 5 months ago my company had an 'active shooter' 3 hour training on what to do just in case an ACTIVE shooter situation occurred in our building.  Good advice was given by the police, but one would never think it could happen to them, but it can as evident by the now shot to death person who did this yesterday.

Police responded within minutes and shot the person who severely injured 4 people or it would have been much worse with potential death occurring.

Yet they say Madison WI is still one of the best places to raise a family?  Unless given to me a free home, I would never live in Madison/Middleton although that is where most of the jobs are located.

[SCain]

Yes it can happen anywhere, our company went through the Active Shooter Training last week.

[Tx Bohemian]

Glad things worked out for you and the wife.

But yea, times are scary!

The wife and I attended a "Active Shooter" seminar through our church which I think is amazing!

But like SCain says, it can happen anywhere and we all need to be vigilant and do our best to protect ourselves.

At the seminar one thing I thought was great for the Detective to bring out was once the police arrive on scene they have no idea who the "shooter" is so if your a CHC license holder and your there thinking your going to "help the police" you may want to make sure they understand your not the bad guy and do whatever they instruct!

Drop the gun, lay down, etc...

[Titan]

It's becoming commonplace. Here's another shooting that just happened.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/bs-md-harford-shooting-20180920-story.html

[_Sheffjs_]

To those of us that have to fire workers, we should get special pay for this.  But really, I wonder every time I have to do the dirty deed.   

[Daniel Meyer]

My company's "Active shooter" prep is to inform us again in no uncertain terms of the policy that prohibits us from being armed at work or any company function.

Also we have glass doors and magnets for security, so we've got that covered.

[Gryphon Rider]

My company's "Active shooter" prep is to inform us again in no uncertain terms of the policy that prohibits us from being armed at work or any company function.

Also we have glass doors and magnets for security, so we've got that covered.

Lead is slightly magnetic, so the magnets should work.

[98valk]

yes don't worry the 100-175k/yr salary cops are only 5-10 minutes away. and then will implement para-military lock down to innocent people in the area to protect themselves and their high union provided salary.  in the mean time people are dead or are bleeding out.
or they drown in the back of a van.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/daughter-woman-who-died-sheriff-s-van-flooding-wants-answers-n911276

or the high paid cop $140k/yr is trying to have sex with under aged little girls
https://www.nj.com/monmouth/index.ssf/2018/09/police_sergeant_charged_in_underage_sex_sting_rele.html

people need to be armed, no need to wait 5-10 minutes, but politicians and union power/control and their very high salaries would go away.

[Gryphon Rider]

And now this thread becomes a place to rant against unions and police officer salaries. 

[signart]

2017-18 murder rate in U.S. compared to the late 50's and late 60's is low, yet gun ownership is up 150%, so...

[The emperor has no clothes]

And now this thread becomes a place to rant against unions and police officer salaries.  

Well, of course.  


[/quote]

My company's "Active shooter" prep is to inform us again in no uncertain terms of the policy that prohibits us from being armed at work or any company function.

Also we have glass doors and magnets for security, so we've got that covered.

You got slightly more than we get. We are issued an employee handbook stating weapons are not allowed on company property. The end.  

[cookiedough]

the active shooter training was good, but way too long for 3 hours.  We even got to practice with fake weapons both handguns and rifles ak's) dislodging the weapon from police officers and how to restrain first the gun, then the dirtbag.  Even punched a few officers was suppose to go 25% but I accidentally did 75% but they had arm/body bag pads on but still darn near pushing them on the ground though - oops!   A good punch to the nose does wonders also. 

Another thing learned is if cannot escape the surrounding area, to lock the door, shut off lights, then get by the door with a few coworkers hiding right by the door and as soon as the dirtbag comes in,  restrain the gun first, then go to town on the dirtbag (2-3 people outta help out not just 1 restraining the gun first of course)  Of course if more than one dirtbag,  probably are toast restraining just the first scum bag.

 

[MarkT]

I don't go anywhere I can't be armed.

Except if I have to go to say the Douglas County sherrif's bldg to renew my permit and no one is armed in there except the cops - they have security same as airports.  Which I quit flying 20 years ago.

[bagelboy]

Don't really know where those salary quotes come from. My son is a patrolman with the sheriffs office and doesn't make anywhere near those figures. I also don't understand the negativity toward the police. I also don't really understand how this got off base from the question asked from Cookiedough. By the way, I conceal carry everyday. I also pray everyday that I never, ever need to use it. I just figure it gives me a lot better chance in a bad situation. Not saying everyone should. That, of course, is a personal decision!

[MAD6Gun]

Last week my brother and I went to the local Glenbrook mall. On the door was the no guns allowed sign. You know the one,the glock with the red line through it. We both saw it. Hmm. What to do,we are both armed. Walked in of course. Got what we needed and walked out. These signs are worthless and have no teeth. Won't stop a gang banger from going on there and shooting up the place. Both of our guns were conceled. All they can do is ask us to leave if they see them.

[Ken aka Oil Burner]

Last week my brother and I went to the local Glenbrook mall. On the door was the no guns allowed sign. You know the one,the glock with the red line through it. We both saw it. Hmm. What to do,we are both armed. Walked in of course. Got what we needed and walked out. These signs are worthless and have no teeth. Won't stop a gang banger from going on there and shooting up the place. Both of our guns were conceled. All they can do is ask us to leave if they see them.

I see those signs and ignore them. The picture is of a Glock. I carry a Sig. Problem solved.

Seriously, though, concealed is concealed. I don't carry where it's against the law, like federal buildings or my kid's school. Everywhere else, fair game. Which brings me back to active shooter training. Shoot back.

[RP#62]

Last week my brother and I went to the local Glenbrook mall. On the door was the no guns allowed sign. You know the one,the glock with the red line through it. We both saw it. Hmm. What to do,we are both armed. Walked in of course. Got what we needed and walked out. These signs are worthless and have no teeth. Won't stop a gang banger from going on there and shooting up the place. Both of our guns were conceled. All they can do is ask us to leave if they see them.

I see those and think, wow, good thing I brought the colt and not the glock.

-RP

[bagelboy]

Unfortunately, as we witness more shootings and more attacks on individuals like the DC Jogger, more people will start to conceal carry. The only problem is many states are tightening the laws on carrying, and crossing states while carrying can be against the law in some states. Doesn't really make sense to me, and I know it opens a gun debate.  However, I think, back to the original point of the thread, training to lock doors, turn off lights, group tackle, etc. will only go so far. You can't bring a knife to a gunfight.

[DGS65]

I live in NY but close to the NJ border my job takes me into NJ all the time.  While is took some time I got my carry in NY however NJ is near impossible to get.  In the beginning I carried all the time now I find it too difficult to carry without stopping home a couple times a day to drop off and pick up my gun. 
I do believe it is a good idea for responsible people to carry if they train to do so!  I attend classes all the time and competitions to keep me sharp. 

[G-Man]

Last week my brother and I went to the local Glenbrook mall. On the door was the no guns allowed sign. You know the one,the glock with the red line through it. We both saw it. Hmm. What to do,we are both armed. Walked in of course. Got what we needed and walked out. These signs are worthless and have no teeth. Won't stop a gang banger from going on there and shooting up the place. Both of our guns were conceled. All they can do is ask us to leave if they see them.

They shut down my daughter's school, American U. in D.C. because someone "saw" a gun.  

So, I'm driving home from work, minding my own business, when I hear on the radio that American U. is shut down due to a man with a gun.  I don't panic, but..........  OK, there's 20,000 students and 1,000 faculty, etc, etc, What are the chances.......

Turns out, an off duty officer was carrying concealed in a holster under his jacket.  When he raised his arm to grab the rail in one of the schools shuttle buses, the piece became visible and someone called it in.  And they shut down the whole fu ck ing school and it made the national news, while it was happening.  

Insanity.

[98valk]

Don't really know where those salary quotes come from. My son is a patrolman with the sheriffs office and doesn't make anywhere near those figures. I also don't understand the negativity toward the police. I also don't really understand how this got off base from the question asked from Cookiedough. By the way, I conceal carry everyday. I also pray everyday that I never, ever need to use it. I just figure it gives me a lot better chance in a bad situation. Not saying everyone should. That, of course, is a personal decision!

from the news article. cops in democrat towns with a police union and high property taxes are making the very high base money plus tons of OT.

[cookiedough]

Just keep getting more and more details about this Anthong Tong douchebag who was shot and killed:

https://www.channel3000.com/news/document-victim-shot-10-times-police-find-hundreds-of-rounds-of-ammunition-in-shooters-home/798090751

He had his concealed carry revoked in 2004 in South Dakota.  No idea how he got the handgun in Middleton WI as of yet.  If he got it legally,  then yet again,  someone dropped the ball on doing a background check.   Mental nutcases are everywhere...  Better background checks if got the gun legally are needed IMO.  Still will not stop nut jobs from getting guns illegally am sure though. 

So far though I do not believe any of the 3-4 shot are going to die, but luckily the police and emergency mgmt. team arrived on the scene in under 10 minutes to put the jerkoff out of his misery or it could have been many more senseless shootings am sure of it.  Job well done by all involved to act quickly and swiftly.

[3fan4life]

Last week my brother and I went to the local Glenbrook mall. On the door was the no guns allowed sign. You know the one,the glock with the red line through it. We both saw it. Hmm. What to do,we are both armed. Walked in of course. Got what we needed and walked out. These signs are worthless and have no teeth. Won't stop a gang banger from going on there and shooting up the place. Both of our guns were conceled. All they can do is ask us to leave if they see them.

They shut down my daughter's school, American U. in D.C. because someone "saw" a gun.  

So, I'm driving home from work, minding my own business, when I hear on the radio that American U. is shut down due to a man with a gun.  I don't panic, but..........  OK, there's 20,000 students and 1,000 faculty, etc, etc, What are the chances.......

Turns out, an off duty officer was carrying concealed in a holster under his jacket.  When he raised his arm to grab the rail in one of the schools shuttle buses, the piece became visible and someone called it in.  And they shut down the whole fu ck ing school and it made the national news, while it was happening.  

Insanity.

I live near a High School, several years ago I was out working in the yard when I noticed two State police helicopters flying around like they were searching for something.

A student reported that they saw a man walking down the road with a shotgun.

The police were called, the school was placed on lockdown and an all out manhunt ensued.

The finally determined that they had found the "guy".

It turned out that the "Shotgun" was an umbrella.

[JimBob]

Does any thinking person really believe that a nutjob with murder on their mind is going to pay attention to, and obey, a 'no guns' sign?
Seems to me that they would see that as a 'Have at it....no one here is armed and can shoot back' sign.

The nutjob school shooter in Florida a couple of months ago was 'on the radar' at several levels, but 'the system' failed..... time, after time, after time, until he killed those people.

[3fan4life]

Does any thinking person really believe that a nutjob with murder on their mind is going to pay attention to, and obey, a 'no guns' sign?
Seems to me that they would see that as a 'Have at it....no one here is armed and can shoot back' sign.

The nutjob school shooter in Florida a couple of months ago was 'on the radar' at several levels, but 'the system' failed..... time, after time, after time, until he killed those people.

One of the counties in far Southwest VA voted to allow their teachers to be armed in school.

Now, the Democrats in Richmond are doing everything that they can to make sure it doesn't happen.

They know that if an armed teacher ever did prevent a school shooting that it would destroy their anti gun agenda.

The liberals don't want our kids to be safe, they want to use them as pawns to further their agenda.

After the School shooting in CT they jumped on the anti gun bandwagon so fast that even my brother (a school teacher in NC and so liberal that he and I cannot have a conversation at all) was mad about it.

He said that the kids bodies weren't even cold and they were using it to take away guns.

[98valk]

Does any thinking person really believe that a nutjob with murder on their mind is going to pay attention to, and obey, a 'no guns' sign?
Seems to me that they would see that as a 'Have at it....no one here is armed and can shoot back' sign.

The nutjob school shooter in Florida a couple of months ago was 'on the radar' at several levels, but 'the system' failed..... time, after time, after time, until he killed those people.

One of the counties in far Southwest VA voted to allow their teachers to be armed in school.

Now, the Democrats in Richmond are doing everything that they can to make sure it doesn't happen.

They know that if an armed teacher ever did prevent a school shooting that it would destroy their anti gun agenda.

The liberals don't want our kids to be safe, they want to use them as pawns to further their agenda.

After the School shooting in CT they jumped on the anti gun bandwagon so fast that even my brother (a school teacher in NC and so liberal that he and I cannot have a conversation at all) was mad about it.

He said that the kids bodies weren't even cold and they were using it to take away guns.

the dems and some repubs are following the UN marxist globalist agenda. the dem platform is the UN platform. all leading to destruction of countries boarders to usher in their country plan. the dems have been promised untold power and wealth for themselves and their families after them. all one had to do is start reading UN sites and their agenda.