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F6Dave
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« on: October 09, 2018, 07:10:22 AM »

I haven't seen the details, but the announcement yesterday that Trump would ease restrictions on the sale of E15 fuel is disturbing.  It's bad enough having 10% of the stuff in our fuel.  Luckily I have a nearby station that sells pure gasoline, but this could cause problems when travelling.  Has anyone heard more about this?
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« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2018, 07:16:40 AM »

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/nation-now/2018/10/09/donald-trump-more-ethanol-gas-e-15/1574994002/
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« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2018, 07:20:10 AM »

I guess that one of the biggest concerns is multi-grade pumps where the previous purchase leaves some E15 in the hose. It might be possible to check the pump before you use it to see what the previous person bought, unless they hit the CLEAR button and cleared it. Is this possible? You might have to do some math, purchase price/gallons.
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« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2018, 07:21:43 AM »

I haven't seen the details, but the announcement yesterday that Trump would ease restrictions on the sale of E15 fuel is disturbing.  It's bad enough having 10% of the stuff in our fuel.  Luckily I have a nearby station that sells pure gasoline, but this could cause problems when travelling.  Has anyone heard more about this?

A couple years ago on the way to Daytona we stopped for gas but didn't pump any because a fuel truck pulled in and started filling the underground tanks.  I got a chance to talk to the driver.  He said the word was in the industry that in a couple years more and more E15 will be forced on us in an effort to get rid of older vehicle technology and make the way clear for new hybrid and what is called green technology.  Sounds like he was pretty accurate.
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F6Dave
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« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2018, 07:27:57 AM »

I guess that one of the biggest concerns is multi-grade pumps where the previous purchase leaves some E15 in the hose. It might be possible to check the pump before you use it to see what the previous person bought, unless they hit the CLEAR button and cleared it. Is this possible? You might have to do some math, purchase price/gallons.

That's a big concern, the fuel remaining in the hose from the previous purchase.  No big deal if I'm buying 25 gallons for my truck, but a possible problem if you're topping off a motorcycle tank.
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« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2018, 07:39:45 AM »


I guess that one of the biggest concerns is multi-grade pumps where the previous purchase leaves some E15 in the hose.

You guys  Smiley ... it doesn't have cooties.

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« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2018, 10:02:02 AM »

I don't see a problem with it if you are filling up and using it right away. I do see a problem using it for storage.
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« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2018, 12:16:50 PM »

All the E15 pumps around here have separate hoses. My F150 burns E15 and been using it for years with no problems at all.
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« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2018, 12:18:16 PM »

I can't say that my bike runs worse on the stuff, the issue I have with the products  is that I continually get 4-5 MPG less on E10 when I have to use it.

What is E15 going to do to mileage?

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« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2018, 12:44:40 PM »

Trump is right on so many things, but he's wrong on corn in our gasoline.  Any corn.
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« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2018, 03:19:49 PM »

Corn growers might disagree Wink I’m sure an engine could be built that would be more efficient on ethanol but were getting the cart before the horse by trying to use it in most engines. Many high horsepower Corvettes have converted to running E85 so it’s possible but the cost of producing the corn does not make sense at this point.
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« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2018, 04:09:12 PM »

Guess who could give a damn "who hasn't had any problems with crapoline" likewise, who cares about wisdom about what people have built from scratch to run on crapoline?
There are parts of the country where you CAN NOT BUY ALCOHOL-FREE GAS. And for what? to jack around grain prices and accomplish nothing regarding the global something something. The closest non-alcohol to me is over an hour away, and it's only available in Premium blend, which virtually all small engines aren't supposed to be fed. Best I can do is 98 miles away where I can get no alcohol mid-grade for my snowblower, lawn mower & edger, chipper-shredder, 1960's chainsaw, 1972 motorcycle, 1964 car, and the list goes on. That means I get to transport 3-4 gallons at a time in a can, in a personal vehicle. That's not recommended either. I resent getting flucked with by clowns who know gasohol is the answer to no question, and azzhats who tell me to just grab the K-Y. I won't bother to list off problems I've had with crapoline in small engines, and I can't keep track of what items I have with hoses, seals, and O-rings that aren't compatible.
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« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2018, 05:33:00 PM »

I tried explaining to my ex boss who insisted his chevy silverado running E85 got 3-4 MORE mpg per tank vs. E10 as well as him thinking was better for the truck in the long run.  You cannot fix stupid, but we all know better.

If I use E85 in my truck, the mpg drops 3-4 mpg and runs worse with less power it seems to me anyways.  Others say E85 runs better and more power, who knows? 

I sometimes run though E15 in my truck and the mpg does not drop much say .2 to .4 less mpg and in a truck getting say 17 mpg then getting 16.5 mpg is no biggie to me since is like 12 cents cheaper per gallon E15 vs. E10 gas. 

I just filled up my 38 gallon fuel tank near weekly and it ran just shy of 100 bucks down 35 gallons running on 3 gallons left in the tank.  I do dislike spending 10 minutes at the pump though filling up that much.
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Jess from VA
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« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2018, 06:42:29 PM »

Guess who could give a damn "who hasn't had any problems with crapoline" likewise, who cares about wisdom about what people have built from scratch to run on crapoline?
There are parts of the country where you CAN NOT BUY ALCOHOL-FREE GAS. And for what? to jack around grain prices and accomplish nothing regarding the global something something. The closest non-alcohol to me is over an hour away, and it's only available in Premium blend, which virtually all small engines aren't supposed to be fed. Best I can do is 98 miles away where I can get no alcohol mid-grade for my snowblower, lawn mower & edger, chipper-shredder, 1960's chainsaw, 1972 motorcycle, 1964 car, and the list goes on. That means I get to transport 3-4 gallons at a time in a can, in a personal vehicle. That's not recommended either. I resent getting flucked with by clowns who know gasohol is the answer to no question, and azzhats who tell me to just grab the K-Y. I won't bother to list off problems I've had with crapoline in small engines, and I can't keep track of what items I have with hoses, seals, and O-rings that aren't compatible.

I'm with you.  (all the way)

Just because it's fine in modern fuel injection (though never as fine as straight gas) does not excuse the fact that it is hard on every other damn thing that runs with a carburetor.  And very possibly damaging (to some degree) if you don't keep track of what gas is in what machine, and for how long (since the can AND the fill up), and was it treated?

IF you are careful to fun fresh (and I've read in 30 days it's already starting to not be fresh), and run machines empty (another good way to get a chunk of something in the carburetor) or dump it out of everything it might ever sit in for even 2-3 months (and the bowl too), you might be OK.  So you treat it and hope it's OK.  But there is always a risk of getting gummed up (and not run), so you always have to keep an eye on the gas in cans, and everything with carbs it runs in.

Long term storage of corn gas is a sh!tty idea (treated or not).  I like to keep 15-20 gallons on hand (in a very hot shed over half the year).  If I was to only run fresh corn gas, I'd need to throw all my cans out except a 2gal, and another 1gal for 2 stroke mix, and then drive to the gas station all the time. And have nothing on hand for an emergency generator.  That plan sucks.

Why does the best country in the world have to have gas that must be treated to be reliable, and be a source of constant irritation (and oversight) for everything not fuel injected?

The EPA says E10 costs only 3% of energy, but thousands of people have reported 6-10% loss of fuel efficiency in individual vehicles.  I found this in a 2011 Road and Track article:  with 189 operating U.S. ethanol plants looking for a place to sell their fuel as of January 2011, and the so-called corn lobby having pressured Congress to mandate 36 billion gallons of ethanol be blended into gasoline by 2022. That physically can't be done with E10, hence the move to E15.....

I own one modern fuel injected truck.

And I have 21 carburetors (minus two Valks = 9 other machines that are important to me and my life, and not one of them was free). 

I have been a good customer (unfortunately) of one of those small but amazingly great lawnmower and small engine repair shops for going on 20 years. We know each other by our first names. They love corn gas.

I like farmers.  If they have to have some kind of help, I can't think of a better corporate welfare to have than the folks that feed us.  Or just charge the real cost it took to grow with no supports. 

Make more corn liquor.  Something!   

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Patrick
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« Reply #14 on: October 10, 2018, 03:08:39 AM »

I too disagree with Mr Trumps discussion on this. But, He made a campaign promise to the farmers regarding it and is keeping his promise.

My feelings are that corn belongs in the food supply, not a fuel tank.

I find it odd that non-ethanol is not available in some locations. Even here in the land of liberals [ NYS] its easily available.
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« Reply #15 on: October 10, 2018, 06:51:31 AM »

As for mileage, it all comes down to how much energy is in the fuel you use.  Here are a few numbers:

Diesel #2:  129,500 BTU/gal
Regular gasoline:  114,100 BTU/gal
E10 gasoline:  111,836 BTU/gal
E85 ethanol:  81,800 BTU/gal
Pure ethanol:  76,100 BTU/gal
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