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« Reply #40 on: December 05, 2018, 08:38:55 AM »

More republican cheating bullshit.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/republicans-power-grab-wisconsin-more-evidence-party-doesn-t-care-ncna943521

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/05/politics/wisconsin-legislature-power/index.html

Pick your source....

https://www.google.com/search?q=wisconsin+power+grab&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS811US811&oq=wisconsin+power+grab&aqs=chrome..69i57.8207j1j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
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« Reply #41 on: December 05, 2018, 08:42:39 AM »

Wisconsin Republicans moved overnight to strip power from newly elected Democratic leaders, advancing legislation that would limit early voting, enact Medicaid work requirements and potentially block the incoming attorney general from withdrawing the state from a lawsuit over Obamacare.

So if this is the legislation what is the problem? Sounds like good causes actually. From your article by the way. So I would say its fortunate that they cannot advance these initiatives since they have done and will do more harm than good.
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« Reply #42 on: December 05, 2018, 10:46:34 AM »


Don't look like cheating to me, unless the GOP playing by the rules is considered cheating by democrats now. And it probably is. What else is new?
The Wisconsin lawmakers are making law like the State's constitution mandates them to do.
They are also doing what their constituents who voted them into office the last time, want done.
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« Reply #43 on: December 05, 2018, 12:34:31 PM »

Voting should be held to Tax Paying Citizens. If you are not supporting the Government, you should not have any say in the Government. You want a say, or a vote, get a job.
Hmmm....wonder how many retirees would be out ? Wonder how many privileged rich would be out ? And college students ? And injured on the job ? And sick ?

Your plan may have a few flaws.  coolsmiley
Rob you know as well as anyone reading this that he doesnt mean people who Actually have paid taxes but the ones that are living on the government Tit and wont ever be a productive member of society. 
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« Reply #44 on: December 05, 2018, 12:52:19 PM »

More republican cheating bullshit.



second time u have used foul words. hopefully u will be banned for a month.
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« Reply #45 on: December 05, 2018, 06:03:37 PM »

https://www.npr.org/2018/12/04/673397918/michigan-republicans-aim-to-pass-bill-to-limit-powers-of-state-democrats

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/12/gop-power-grab-wisconsin-and-michigan/577246/

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/12/5/18125544/north-carolina-power-grab-wisconsin-michigan-lame-duck

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/12/republican-democracy-stress-test-michigan-wisconsin-north-carolina.html

Well, I'm no detective, but I'm beginning to see a pattern here.
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« Reply #46 on: December 05, 2018, 11:34:38 PM »

So if your so upset about this happening in Wisconsin why were you not upset that Obama did the same thing only ten times worse? Its a bitch when things happen to you and not someone else isn't it?

Very telling when everyone has warned you that unfair practices on either side is not good. That one day unfair practices may help your party of preference but another day used as weapon against it. Amazing isn't it when the problem comes home to roost.

Wisconsin and every race is not only about this election but for every election and office forward so everyone from now on both parties will have to contend with it, so its not one sided either and its also not only about elections but laws and rules put in place. 

In Wisconsin the results of the 2018 midterm election, brought Democratic wins for governor, attorney general and more, but state Republicans still retain 63 of the state’s 99 house seats. So its a state divided and the Republicans are only going to lose their super majority, so its not as if the state threw out all Republicans either or that dems will get whatever they want.

The pattern you see should be the ones the Dems and Obama started in the National elections.

Team Obama keeps laying new land mines for Trump

https://nypost.com/2017/01/16/team-obama-keeps-laying-new-landmines-for-trump/

A graceless exit

Outgoing President Obama buries land mines for the Trump presidency

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/dec/29/obamas-graceless-exit/

Revenge of the Losers': Krauthammer Says Obama Left Behind Intel 'Land Mines'

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/03/03/charles-krauthammer-barack-obama-left-land-mines-donald-trump-and-michael-flynn

Obama's agencies push flurry of 'midnight' actions

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/obama-regulations-231820

A short, cool pause, then Obama delivered the zinger: “Well, @realDonaldTrump, at least I will go down as a President.” And then, like a rapper dropping the mike, Obama held out his phone and let it fall to the floor.


We are dealing with policies and procedures that Obama has done in the White house like healthcare that is costing trillions of dollars and I heard not one peep out of you. Maybe you should think about what it means to break the rules on both sides. See the problem not from a self serving point of view but from a generations point of view. This is neither democrat or republican but a war of morals where just like nuclear weapons, it should never be used even if the option is there. Where do the dirty tricks stop on either side?
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« Reply #47 on: December 06, 2018, 04:58:22 AM »

The integrity of the electoral process is what is at issue. It matters not what party is abusing the system. The integrity of the individual's vote and the process by which it is cast is the most profound bedrock of this Democratic Republic.

It cannot and should not be a simple and easy task to cast one's vote. To make it so undermines the very value of that vote.

It is a sacred right. It should be treated that way. You must meet a high standard to participate via absentee ballot. You otherwise must go to your established voting place to cast your vote. No exceptions. Or very very few.

To participate in this extraordinary right you must make an effort. That effort is required to ensure the integrity of the process.

Strict laws and rules regarding elections must be enforced and cannot be undermined by characterizing such efforts as "voter suppression" when the vote does not go your way.



I kinda like this post.    It tells of the divide in ideology quite well.  One side believes in contribution and effort while the other side believes the gov't should make the effort for you with minimal contribution by the citizen.



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« Reply #48 on: December 06, 2018, 05:19:12 AM »

Voting should be held to Tax Paying Citizens. If you are not supporting the Government, you should not have any say in the Government. You want a say, or a vote, get a job.

This is the way it used to be.  Land owners paid property taxes and they were the only ones allowed to vote.

Today, though, we have so many kinds of taxes applied to our lives that almost everyone does pay some kind of tax whether it be sales tax, value taxes, gasoline tax, bridge/road tolls, registration fees, license fees (can't fish without a license), cell phone taxes, and retirees do file and pay taxes.

Maybe there should be a sliding scale of how much your vote is worth based on how much you pay into the system.  The top 1% pay half the taxes so their vote should be worth double what someone paying no income tax vote is worth.  Also, those that pay the most into the system use the least amount of services provided by the system.  (My property taxes are ridiculous and the only service I seem to use is garbage pickup, and believe me, they can't pick my garbage up enough to make it seem worth it).
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« Reply #49 on: December 06, 2018, 05:43:58 AM »

Voting should be held to Tax Paying Citizens. If you are not supporting the Government, you should not have any say in the Government. You want a say, or a vote, get a job.
Hmmm....wonder how many retirees would be out ? Wonder how many privileged rich would be out ? And college students ? And injured on the job ? And sick ?

Your plan may have a few flaws.  coolsmiley
Rob you know as well as anyone reading this that he doesnt mean people who Actually have paid taxes but the ones that are living on the government Tit and wont ever be a productive member of society. 
I take him at his word, "you want a say,or a vote, get a job"
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« Reply #50 on: December 06, 2018, 11:06:37 AM »



so are u upset with this @#$%^ by the democrats?

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/12/05/gop-winner-in-maine-02-now-declared-loser-due-to-rank-voting/
 wow another program that can say anything per who writes the program.
 based on the proprietary computer algorithm of the outside vendor selected by the Democrat Secretary of State.

Since a Maine judge had earlier ruled that the “rank voting system” passed by voters in 2016 and affirmed by voters in June 2018 violated the Maine Constitution, state offices were selected by the traditional voting system used in the rest of the country–winners were determined by who received the most votes.

Federal offices–in this case the Senate race that incumbent Sen. Angus King (I-ME) easily won, and the state’s two seats in the U.S. House of Representatives–were decided by the complex “rank voting” system, as implemented by the Democrat Secretary of State, using a proprietary computer algorithm provided to the state by an outside vendor.

When Maine voters stepped into the voting booth on November they cast traditional ballots for state offices, but voted for their first, second, and third choices in the one federal race for the U.S. Senate the two federal races for the U.S. House of Representatives.

In order to be declared the winner, a candidate for federal office had to receive 50 percent plus one of the first place votes cast for the office. If no candidate received more than 50 percent plus one of the vote, then the second choice votes and third choice votes cast by voters whose first choice votes were cast for the third place and fourth place finishers were then allocated to the top two candidates based on the proprietary computer algorithm of the outside vendor selected by the Democrat Secretary of State.

In the November 6 election, Republican Poliquin finished in first place, receiving 131,631 votes, or 46.41 percent of the 283,643 votes cast that day, according to election results provided by the office of  Secretary of State Dunlap.

Democrat Jared Golden finished in second place, receiving 128,999 votes, or 45.48 percent of the 2 votes cast that day, 2,632 fewer than Polquin.

Independent candidate Tiffany Bonds received 16,260 votes, or 5.73 percent of the 283,643 votes cast that day and finished in third place. Another independent candidate, William Hoar, received 6,753 votes, or 2.38 percent of the 283,643 votes cast that day and finished in fourth place. Bonds and Hoard received a combined 23,013 votes.

Since no candidate in the race received the 50 percent plus one votes required to be declared the winner under the new “ranked voting” law, Secretary of State Dunlap then used the outside vendor which deployed its proprietary algorithm to allocate the combined 23,013 votes cast for third place finisher Bonds and fourth place finisher Hoard.

In what Secretary of State Dunlap described as Round 2, all 16,260 votes were removed from Tiffany Bonds’ total, giving her a new total of zero votes. In addition, all 6,753 votes were removed from Hoar’s total, giving him a new total of zero votes.

Golden received 10,232 votes from voters who had declared in the November 6 election either Bonds or Hoar as their first choice, presumably declaring him on their ballots to be either their second or third choices. These additional votes gave Golden a new total of 139,231 votes, or 50.53 percent of the 275,557 votes counted in Round 2.

Poliquin received 4,695 votes from voters who had declared in the November 6 election either Bonds or Hoar as their first choice, presumably declaring him on their ballots to be either their second or third choices. These additional votes gave Hoar a new total of 136,326 votes, or 49.47 percent of the 275,557 votes counted in Round 2.

Only 14,927 of the 23,013 votes cast in support of either Bonds, the third place finisher, or Hoar, the fourth place finisher, were reallocated to Poliquin, the election day first place finisher and Golden, the election day second place finisher, in Round 2.

A total of 8,086 votes cast by supporters of Hoar or Bonds on election day were thrown away and not counted in Round 2 voting–“spoiled” is the legal term used–because, according to the Secretary of State, did not include choice rankings beyond the first choice.

Notably, though Democrat Golden received more than 50 percent plus one (50.57 percent) of the votes counted in Round 2 using this “ranked voting” system, he still received less than 50 percent plus one of the votes cast and counted on election day, November 6, Round 1. (The 139,231 votes counted for Golden in Round 2 divided by the 283,643 votes cast and counted on election day, November 6, Round 1 equals 49.1 percent.)

Poliquin’s general campaign consultant Brent Littlefield issued a statement earlier this week noting that “his win was clipped by a new ‘Rank Voting’ system employed for the first time in a U.S. Federal election giving losing candidate voters (in this case two liberal independents who finished 3rd and 4th on Election Day) a second or third choice and those additional votes allowed challenger Jared Golden (D) to go ahead. In any other state in America Bruce Poliquin would have been declared the winner of the election.”

Poliquin and several voters in the Second Congressional District have filed a lawsuit in federal court arguing that the “rank voting” system approved by Maine voters in 2016 and reaffirmed in June 2018 is not constitutional.
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« Reply #51 on: December 06, 2018, 11:32:06 AM »

You know those saying the repubs are bad, I wonder how you are going to address this?

FBI Knew Steele Dossier Was Bogus Before Using In FISA Application: Solomon



    The email exchanges show the FBI was aware — before it secured the now-infamous warrant — that there were intelligence community concerns about the reliability of the main evidence used to support it: the Christopher Steele dossier.

    The exchanges also indicate FBI officials were aware that Steele, the former MI6 British intelligence operative then working as a confidential human source for the bureau, had contacts with news media reporters before the FISA warrant was secured. -The Hill

That’s because the FBI has an obligation to certify to the court before it approves FISA warrants that its evidence is verified, and to alert the judges to any flaws in its evidence or information that suggest the target might be innocent. -The Hill
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« Reply #52 on: December 06, 2018, 11:52:18 AM »

Poliquin and several voters in the Second Congressional District have filed a lawsuit in federal court arguing that the “rank voting” system approved by Maine voters in 2016 and reaffirmed in June 2018 is not constitutional.
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I can't see this being constitutional. A computer algorithm is not a person therefore has no right to and has no business reallocating anyone's vote. 

I can't believe the voters in Maine had any idea what this "rank voting" really was about.
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« Reply #53 on: December 06, 2018, 12:05:40 PM »

Poliquin and several voters in the Second Congressional District have filed a lawsuit in federal court arguing that the “rank voting” system approved by Maine voters in 2016 and reaffirmed in June 2018 is not constitutional.

I can't see this being constitutional. A computer algorithm is not a person therefore has no right to and has no business reallocating anyone's vote. 

I can't believe the voters in Maine had any idea what this "rank voting" really was about.
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that is the problem with many voters. they don't read the question fully. only the first feel good misleading sentences.
just happened in NJ for a bond measure, for the schools and the children, only problem is that on page 17 of the proposal, once passed it allows the state to raise property taxes every year and not needing an assessment done. dumb people passed it.  same happen a few yrs ago, voters gave the state the right to raise fuel taxes every yr and gave the power to transportation accounting dept. it is being raised every yr now.
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« Reply #54 on: December 06, 2018, 12:42:55 PM »

And the plot thickens:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/republican-officials-had-early-warnings-of-voting-irregularities-in-north-carolina/2018/12/06/b3e5c6d4-f8bf-11e8-8c9a-860ce2a8148f_story.html

"In the days immediately after the race, aides to Pittenger told the executive director of the North Carolina Republican Party and a regional political director for the National Republican Congressional Committee that they believed fraud had occurred, according to people familiar with their discussions."

"Their accounts provide the first indication that state and national Republican officials received early warnings about voting irregularities in North Carolina’s 9th Congressional District, now the subject of multiple criminal probes."

Any forum member from North Carolina?
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« Reply #55 on: December 06, 2018, 01:46:41 PM »

Don't really care to get into a Republican/Democrat debate. I would think both parties would want documentation of who is voting. It's the only fair way to count every vote.  If you don't want it, you probably have more to gain from it. My son is registered in NY and never votes because he doesn't live home anymore. He hasn't lived home in years. Yet he's still registered. I see his name next to mine every time I vote.  What's to prevent me from voting in the morning and returning and saying that I'm my son later in the afternoon? This wouldn't be fair to either party. No one would know unless I have to provide proof, say a drivers license. I can't even imagine not having proof down in the city. Do you know how many Cruz, Perez, Steinberg, and Washingtons there are? Common sense says you need ID when you vote along with everything else you need ID for.
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« Reply #56 on: December 06, 2018, 03:09:27 PM »

This is a great discussion.  It looks like we finally have a consensus that there is cheating, voter fraud and stealing of elections.  Now maybe we can reform voting rules to make it harder to cheat.  When its been proposed in the past there were immediate responses that  there's no evidence of voter fraud, that reform is not needed.  Finally, everybody woke up.

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« Reply #57 on: December 06, 2018, 03:41:02 PM »

This is a great discussion.  It looks like we finally have a consensus that there is cheating, voter fraud and stealing of elections.  Now maybe we can reform voting rules to make it harder to cheat.  When its been proposed in the past there were immediate responses that  there's no evidence of voter fraud, that reform is not needed.  Finally, everybody woke up.

-RP

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« Reply #58 on: December 07, 2018, 06:45:58 AM »

Don't really care to get into a Republican/Democrat debate. I would think both parties would want documentation of who is voting. It's the only fair way to count every vote.  If you don't want it, you probably have more to gain from it. My son is registered in NY and never votes because he doesn't live home anymore. He hasn't lived home in years. Yet he's still registered. I see his name next to mine every time I vote.  What's to prevent me from voting in the morning and returning and saying that I'm my son later in the afternoon? This wouldn't be fair to either party. No one would know unless I have to provide proof, say a drivers license. I can't even imagine not having proof down in the city. Do you know how many Cruz, Perez, Steinberg, and Washingtons there are? Common sense says you need ID when you vote along with everything else you need ID for.


I worked in a hospital clinic in the southern Bronx.  One day I picked up the next chart and called the persons name, Maria Gonzalez, 4 women stood up.  I said Maria Gonzalez from the Grand Concourse, two sat down. 

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« Reply #59 on: December 07, 2018, 07:06:33 AM »

This is a great discussion.  It looks like we finally have a consensus that there is cheating, voter fraud and stealing of elections.  Now maybe we can reform voting rules to make it harder to cheat.  When its been proposed in the past there were immediate responses that  there's no evidence of voter fraud, that reform is not needed.  Finally, everybody woke up.

-RP

Everybody is wide awake on ALL the issues.  However, when the Republicans make a move to correct or fix a well defined problem, the Democrats reverse their stance and call the Republicans racist.  There is video after video after on Youtube of Obama, both Clintons, Schumer, Pelosi, Bernie, and others saying the exact same thing that President Trump has said but when Trump actually puts action to words, he's a racist. 

My question is, how do they get so many smart people to reverse their beliefs with them?  How do they get audiences to applaud in favor of something, as seen in the videos, then get these same people to ridicule Trump for doing something about it ? ? ?





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« Reply #60 on: December 07, 2018, 08:17:30 AM »

This is a great discussion.  It looks like we finally have a consensus that there is cheating, voter fraud and stealing of elections.  Now maybe we can reform voting rules to make it harder to cheat.  When its been proposed in the past there were immediate responses that  there's no evidence of voter fraud, that reform is not needed.  Finally, everybody woke up.

-RP

Everybody is wide awake on ALL the issues.  However, when the Republicans make a move to correct or fix a well defined problem, the Democrats reverse their stance and call the Republicans racist.  There is video after video after on Youtube of Obama, both Clintons, Schumer, Pelosi, Bernie, and others saying the exact same thing that President Trump has said but when Trump actually puts action to words, he's a racist. 

My question is, how do they get so many smart people to reverse their beliefs with them?  How do they get audiences to applaud in favor of something, as seen in the videos, then get these same people to ridicule Trump for doing something about it ? ? ?





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« Reply #61 on: December 07, 2018, 11:13:43 AM »

Voting should be held to Tax Paying Citizens. If you are not supporting the Government, you should not have any say in the Government. You want a say, or a vote, get a job.
Hmmm....wonder how many retirees would be out ? Wonder how many privileged rich would be out ? And college students ? And injured on the job ? And sick ?

Your plan may have a few flaws.  coolsmiley

Retirees have paid taxes their entire working life, plus the majority of retirement plans are taxed. Even though most Liberals don't believe it, even the rich libs ones don't admit it, the rich in this country do pay the majority of income taxes. If you are injured on the job, that means you have a job, plus workers comp is taxed along with most aftermarket disability plans. Sick, sick leave is taxed.
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