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« on: December 07, 2018, 04:11:50 AM » |
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December 7th, 1941....If you don't, shame on you.
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« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2018, 04:21:47 AM » |
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'A day which will live in infamy"
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« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2018, 04:27:05 AM » |
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77 Years ago Today. IF you ever get to Pearl Harbor Hawaii at the very least go to the Arizona Memorial. When I was there in 1964 the chunks of concrete taken out by Japanese planes during strafing runs were still Very visible on some of the hangars. Ross-da prez-told me the Punch Bowl was as moving as Arlington is. December 7th 1941 a Date which WILL live in Infamy. Yeah-I Remember.
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« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2018, 05:03:13 AM » |
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« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2018, 09:50:25 AM » |
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Yes, I remember listening to FDR live on the radio asking Congress for a declaration of war against Japan. A month later P-39's flew over Ft. Wayne and rationing and War bonds began. Us high school kids were asked to buy 25 dollar war bonds for 19.00, lots of bond drives.
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« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2018, 10:25:28 AM » |
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Can’t quote the date
But I gotta add......
THE ALAMO !
Dan
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« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2018, 10:40:34 AM » |
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Still have two uncles who were in wwII one Navy one Marine Yes it is a day to remember
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If you don't know where your going any road will take you there George Harrison
When you come to the fork in the road, take it Yogi Berra (Don't send it to me C.O.D.)
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« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2018, 10:50:01 AM » |
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As Yamamoto predicted, they did awake the sleeping bear.
And after about 65,000 US dead, and 213,000 US wounded, and about 330,000 Japanese dead (military and civilian) we showed them the error of their ways.
And, Rummel, a professor of political science at the University of Hawaii, estimates that between 1937 and 1945, the Japanese military murdered from nearly 3 to over 10 million people, most likely 6 million Chinese, Koreans, Malaysians, Indonesians, Filipinos and Indochinese, among others, including Western prisoners of war.
After the war, the combined allies hanged about 1000 more Japanese. (this was lenient)
By comparison, after Nuremberg and other trials, only about 200 Germans were hanged, and many capital (and other) sentences were later commuted. Though the huge numbers that went into Russian captivity after WWII mostly disappeared (300K to a million).
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« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2018, 12:04:28 PM » |
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I got to goto Pearl Harbor in 1994 for the commisioning of the USS Lake Erie (one of our Aegis Cruisers). One the of Supply Officers I had gotten to know at NavDist Washington - he was in charge of the galley, and I was the Command ADP officer. Anyway , the CO of the Lake Erie made his Captain's gig available for guests - so we got to go over to the Arizona on that, instead of taking the cattle barge for ordinary tourists. Of course, the gig crew were in uniform, and it just so happened that a tourist barge was pulling up at the same time we were - we got the look "who are those people".
The Arizona was a moving experiance - I wouldn't have missed it for the world.
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« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2018, 12:35:18 PM » |
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As Yamamoto predicted, they did awake the sleeping bear.
And after about 65,000 US dead, and 213,000 US wounded, and about 330,000 Japanese dead (military and civilian) we showed them the error of their ways.
And, Rummel, a professor of political science at the University of Hawaii, estimates that between 1937 and 1945, the Japanese military murdered from nearly 3 to over 10 million people, most likely 6 million Chinese, Koreans, Malaysians, Indonesians, Filipinos and Indochinese, among others, including Western prisoners of war.
After the war, the combined allies hanged about 1000 more Japanese. (this was lenient)
By comparison, after Nuremberg and other trials, only about 200 Germans were hanged, and many capital (and other) sentences were later commuted. Though the huge numbers that went into Russian captivity after WWII mostly disappeared (300K to a million).
We (the US) were very lenient when it came to processing war criminals, both Japanese and German. I've read several books written by Holocaust survivors and POW's and what I learned is, the Germans treated the US POW FAIRLY well, even though they were basically starved, and I believe this was due to an overall lack of food in Germany during the war. The Japanese, however, treated US POWs with contempt, as that thought it was against their Bushido code to surrender. The SS, which guarded the concentration camps in Germany should pretty much all have been hanged for their actions, the Japanese were brutal, they slaughtered many Chinese, Korean, and Filipino civilians, they should all hang. War is hell, and much like politics today, the guilty go unpunished. I always remember the significance of this date.
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« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2018, 07:06:50 PM » |
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I remember Pearl Harbor each year on 07 December and think about our heroes who gave their lives and those who responded. They were indeed the greatest generation that launched the United States isto what she bacame for the next 60 years or more.
As for the ire of the event, the "day of infamy", that was aimed at the Empire of Japan attacking the U.S. forces without a declararion of war. Perhaps the Japanese were just ahead of their time. That seems to be the practice of militaryactions these days pretty much universally, including those of our U.S. of A. That day also was the beginning of the path that brought Japan to who they are today.
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« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2018, 10:47:15 PM » |
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dig on you tube and you can listen to the Congressional hearing where the incensed commander of Pearl Harbor rails about Washington knowing in advance of the attack and did nothing--Roosevelt's personal diary says"I didn't think they were going to hit us that bad"
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« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2018, 06:20:00 AM » |
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from what I saw of the movie on Pearl Harbor, which I think is mostly based on a true story, the US govt. had a pretty good idea of an attack there (not sure when though) but did not prepare for a potential attack not letting those around the area be on HIGH alert totally catching them off guard. For that I blame govt. officials once again for not doing the right thing creating a high alert status. Hard to believe even back then that RADAR could not pick up the planes from coming in miles and miles away, guess not??
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« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2018, 08:36:54 AM » |
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With all due respect to our vets..one can question what the politicians and.top brass did without giving dishonor to our brave soldiers and civilians
Roosevelt was no angel....he and we underestimated the enemy
our boys and gals did a great job and we owe them everything as well as all vets
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If you don't know where your going any road will take you there George Harrison
When you come to the fork in the road, take it Yogi Berra (Don't send it to me C.O.D.)
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« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2018, 10:03:41 AM » |
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With all due respect to our vets..one can question what the politicians and.top brass did without giving dishonor to our brave soldiers and civilians
Roosevelt was no angel....he and we underestimated the enemy
our boys and gals did a great job and we owe them everything as well as all vets
To say he and the brass underestimated the enemy is one thing. To say that FDR willingly, knowingly let the enemy come into Pearl Harbor and nearly destroy our Navy, kill numerous people is disrespectful to him and the entire Armed Forces that have taken an oath to protect. When one says these kinds of things tarnishes the memory of the people that died by insinuating they died for less than noble purposes. IMHO (no politician, president, or man is an angel)
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