Mattis Resignation bombshell

[cookiedough]

yet another Trump non-supporter who does not follow Trump's bullying technique.  Trump needs to learn to compromise and work things out and get along and listen to his cabinet staff vs. just saying his way or the hwy.     

Mattis am sure is set in his ways as well and strong headed,  but can see him leaving not being listened to and just set aside doing it TRUMPS WAY ONLY!

[Robert]

I think Trump is doing a good job and if any of the previous admins tactics are examples of decorum and not bullying then Ill take Trump any day. As for replacement of individuals so far the ones he has replaced, they needed to go and the replacements are a much better fit. The left said if he is draining the swamp why is he hiring all the swamp rats, temps are great and the attorney general was a great example of a person in a position for a purpose and a time.

Hasn't anyone noticed that anyone associated with draining the swamp has only stayed a short time or is not going to run again? Why has no one questioned this?

Seems like that says a lot about the battles and politics in Washington.

[Serk]

I'll give Trump credit for this much, he's somehow made the left defend endless war, and the right defend gun control...

That's talent.

[Robert]

Mattis saw the destruction of Isis that job is now over, there were chemical attacks and false flags in past pull outs so when we pull out or draw down troops there is much less chance of conflict.

[f6john]

Not sure how I feel about the pullout. It may be bad for some of the natives who have worked with us. I have never felt that the small numbers we have in the affected countries could be much more than targets for our enemies to ambush. I don’t like us being the policemen for the world which seems to put a target our countries back.

My gut says that the first Gulf War was the way to use our military effectively. Go in with a sledge hammer and do the job at hand then leave. But I’m not an armchair general so I will have to defend the Presidents decision until he is proved wrong realizing he is not infallible. We have multiple past Presidents that have proven to not be right all the time.

[Pete]

Compromise is a 4 letter word, meaning someone gives you something you cannot take.
Screw compromise and its stupidity.

Compromise usually means settling for a less than satisfactory solution.

As for generals being smart and error proof - not so much - but they seem to be compromise artist?

[Rams]

My personal opinion is that if General Mattis says something, the President should listen.

President Trump has a habit of doing things to stir the pot.   Some of his tactics are to achieve things he wants not totally related to what he's doing.   Some how, I get the feeling this is related to getting the southern border wall.   

I really hate to see Sec. Mattis leave.

Rams

[Gavin_Sons]

Are you sure it has nothing to do with the lawsuits Mattis has on him right now? Discharging 2 servicemen that has HIV?

[Rams]

Are you sure it has nothing to do with the lawsuits Mattis has on him right now? Discharging 2 servicemen that has HIV?

Very unlikely.  Gen. Mattis is a warrior.   I'll leave it at that.

Rams

[Alpha Dog]

Mattis's resignation letter stating a secretary of defense more in line with Trump's views would be better for the President.  Did Mattis not listen to Trump's campaign.  Trump is only proceeding how he said he would.  Stop being the policeman of the world and be in wars with no end in sight.  Also Nato has to pay up and for us to stop carrying them.  Mattis did not like the way Trump was treating the Euro alliances.  I have no problem with the way he goes about shaming them for sucking off of our trough which is not endless. Past Presidents  would ask them nicely if they could pay more and that did not work.  Now they are paying more, but they need to pay much more, at least the levels agreed to in the contracts at 2 percent gdp.  I would be Okay if the European countries paid all the money for their defense and we concentrate on ours.  Evidently the old time Generals are Okay with the old ways.

I will say Mattis did a great job and but right quick in destroying ISIS.  Amazing what can be done when controls are lifted.   I expect he did a fine job in getting North Korea to change it's tune also.  

By the way I liked your statement Serk - most funny   and    true.

[carolinarider09]

I don't know why Defense Secretary James Mattis is leaving other than what has been stated on the news (Fox and OAN). 

First, the OP has labeled President Trump as a "bully".  I don't know the President, only what I see on the news, I doubt if the OP knows him as well.  As my wife just said, Trump is a New Yorker and, stories have it, the New Yorkers tend to be brusk and assertive in their manners.  Not an excuse just a statement.  There is no indication that he is "bully". 

Second, the OP needs to read some good books on warfare and military operations and history.  Wars should be fought with a pre-defined objective.  Once that objective has been reached, the war should be ended and a new objective identified that can be achieved or the war is not needed and troops brought home.

For Syria, the middle east is in turmoil for many reasons but it is of their own choosing which we can not alter without over whelming military operations.  Such operations must be in the best interests of the United States.  It is a difficult decision but I am in no position  to make such a decision.  I just know what I know.

Afghanistan, long war, history has shown no country has succeeded in a military operation there.   Which leads one to ask, why are we still there?  You and I are not in possession of enough information to make an informed decision.

[¿spoom]

I'll give Trump credit for this much, he's somehow made the left defend endless war, and the right defend gun control...

That's talent.

Bingo!!! Obama got the Nobel Prize for having a pulse, and the press and left's gushing admiration for pulling troops out "short of mission". I eagerly await to see that repeated for thanking Trump. I'm tired of the US trying to be both a doormat AND World's Policeman. I'm looking forward to Europe taking over some more of the burden, and as for Russia-since we didn't lift a finger when it invaded Ukraine, we shouldn't continue the clustercuddle when we don't apparently have funds for healthcare or border security.

[Savago]

Mattis knows more about military strategy and the Syrian situation than anyone here (and definitely more than Trump).

He believes is a huge mistake to leave Syria and against the best interests of USA.

So much that before leaving, he visited Mr Trump and asked him to reconsider his decision (to no avail).
 
This is a bad mistake that is being celebrated as a victory by Iran + Syria + Russia and will embolden USA's enemies.

It also sends a message to USA's allies (i.e. Israel + curd fighters in Syria) that the USA cannot be trusted  and neither is a reliable ally.

It is a bad day for USA's standing in the world.

[¿spoom]

My personal opinion is that if General Mattis says something, the President should listen.



Rams

Listen, or obey? I have a lot of respect for Gen. Mattis, as did a lot of civilians for Gen. Mc Arthur. It's a constant balance of many Presidents being lifelong civilians vs  Secs. of Defense being career military. Often the Generals think only of how to win a battle, not if we really need one. Trump is/will be cursed no matter what he does. Personally I'll be glad to get out, and spend the money on healthcare here, and a few more nukes to kill the eventual winner in the middle east if they make it necessary to the west's survival. Though I'm not naïve to Russia's power plan, they were invited to Syria and we were not, nor are we there as some kind of UN sanctioned mission. A pox on NATO and the UN, based on the last decade or two. Let Europe take a bigger turn;

BEIRUT (AP) A senior Kurdish politician Friday called on France to play a larger role in Syria following the withdrawal of U.S. troops from the country, warning that Kurdish fighters may have to withdraw from the front lines in the fight against the Islamic State group.

Ilham Ahmed also suggested that the main Kurdish militia may no longer be able to hold the hundreds of IS militants detained in its prisons in northeastern Syria in the case of a Turkish attack, noting they might head to Turkey or farther abroad from there.

The group known as the Syrian Democratic Forces is known to hold hundreds of militants from various nationalities, including Europeans, in detention centers across areas under their control in northern Syria, and their families have been rounded up in camps run by the group. The Kurds have not decided how to handle them, since their home countries don't want them back and also don't recognize Kurdish-run courts.

"We fear things will get out control and we would no longer be able to contain them (IS militants) in the area, and this would open the door to their renewed spread and movement toward the Turkish border and from there to the rest of the world," Ahmed said. She was in Paris as part of a delegation attending talks on the planned U.S. military withdrawal from Syria and Turkey's warnings that it may launch a military operation against Kurdish forces in northeastern Syria.

The delegation met with French President Emanuel Macron's representative to Syria, Francois Senemand.

In France, an official at Elysee Palace said that during the meeting with the Syrian visitors, Macron's aides "provided a message of solidarity and support and explained exchanges that France was having with the U.S. to continue the fight against Daesh." The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity for not being authorized to speak publicly, used an Arabic acronym to refer to IS.

Ahmed said France as a NATO member has a moral obligation to prevent Turkey from attacking Kurds.

Her comments reflected the desperation and turmoil within the Kurdish forces following President Donald Trump's surprise announcement that he would withdraw the 2,000 troops in Syria. The announcement came at a particularly tense moment in northern Syria. Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has repeatedly warned of launching a new offensive against the Kurds and in recent days has stepped up the rhetoric, threatening that an assault could begin "at any moment."

Turkey views the People's Protection Units, or YPG, the main component of the Syrian Democratic Forces, as a terrorist group and an extension of the insurgency within its borders. U.S. support for the group has strained ties between the two NATO allies.

On Friday, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said the announcement from Washington about a pullout as well as "diplomatic and security contacts" forced Turkey to delay its plans for an operation against the U.S.-backed Kurdish militia east of the Euphrates river.

Speaking in Istanbul in an address to business groups, he said however, that the delay would "not be open-ended."

Trump's abrupt decision has been widely seen as an abandonment of a loyal ally, even though the U.S. partnership with the Kurds against the Islamic State group in Syria was always considered a temporary marriage of convenience. With U.S. air support, the Kurds drove IS out of much of northern and eastern Syria in a costly four-year campaign.

"The decision to pull out under these circumstances will lead to a state of instability and create a political and military void in the region and leave its people between the claws of enemy forces," a statement by the Kurdish-led group and main U.S. ally in Syria said Thursday.

Underscoring the ongoing fight against IS, a Kurdish news agency and the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights war monitor reported that IS launched a counteroffensive in the area on the outskirts of Hajin, the last town controlled by IS in Syria which the SDF recaptured a week ago.

Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu on Friday said his country welcomed the decision by Trump to withdraw U.S. troops from Syria.

Cavusoglu spoke during a visit to Malta in comments that were broadcast on Turkish television. They marked the first official reaction to the U.S. decision to pull out its troops.

The minister spoke of a need to coordinate the withdrawal with the U.S. and said all countries need to be vigilant in the fight against the remnants of the Islamic State group.

Cavusoglu also warned that the withdrawal should not create a vacuum that could be filled by terrorist groups.

The German government, meanwhile, said it wasn't consulted by Washington before the U.S. announced the troop withdrawal.

Government spokeswoman Ulrike Demmer told reporters in Berlin on Friday that Germany would have appreciated prior consultations.

Demmer said the U.S. decision could affect the dynamics of the conflict, adding that "much remains to be done" for a final victory over the Islamic State group.

She said the United States is an "important ally" but declined to say whether Germany also considers it a "reliable" one.

German Defense Ministry spokesman Jens Flosdorff said the decision has no immediate impact on Germany's aerial surveillance missions over Syria.

 

[JFaje1]

First of all, we have not defeated ISIS as Trump would have you believe. They say there are approx. 20,000 still imbedded in small towns all over the region. We pull out, and they start to re-assemble.
Just about everyone has said it was a bad idea, except, guess who, Vladimir Putin. Go figure.

John

[f6john]

I think it was the “cal-I-fate” they defeated. ISIS may rise back up or a new group with a different name and on it goes, nothing we do military wise will change that.

[RP#62]

First of all, we have not defeated ISIS as Trump would have you believe. They say there are approx. 20,000 still imbedded in small towns all over the region. We pull out, and they start to re-assemble.
Just about everyone has said it was a bad idea, except, guess who, Vladimir Putin. Go figure.

John

I agree.  You'd have thought we would have learned from Obama's screw up.  Of course, Trump may have more info on this than me.

-RP

[¿spoom]

I think it was the “cal-I-fate” they defeated. ISIS may rise back up or a new group with a different name and on it goes, nothing we do military wise will change that.

Agreed. And there will always be oppression in Cuba, and gangs in Columbia, and corruption in Mexico UNTIL those countries' own people rise up. The US can't do it all, and we can't even pay the interest on the National Debt without borrowing more. We spend more than enough on a UN that's nothing more than a money transfer system, that didn't even have the balls to go after Putin over Ukraine. Therefore, we should pull out, and let the other geniuse (sarcasm) Countries pick up the tab for a few decades.

[Rams]

My personal opinion is that if General Mattis says something, the President should listen.



Rams

Listen, or obey? I have a lot of respect for Gen. Mattis, as did a lot of civilians for Gen. Mc Arthur. It's a constant balance of many Presidents being lifelong civilians vs  Secs. of Defense being career military. Often the Generals think only of how to win a battle, not if we really need one. Trump is/will be cursed no matter what he does. Personally I'll be glad to get out, and spend the money on healthcare here, and a few more nukes to kill the eventual winner in the middle east if they make it necessary to the west's survival.
 

Hmmm....  Your opinion of Generals differs from mine dramatically.   I am acquainted with or know several officers who have or had a star or two on their shoulders.   I can assure you they are very well informed, intelligent and politically savvy.   Not one questions who commands the US military but, they all have strong opinions and possess something many politicians lack.  Integrity.   

In reference to President Trump and his decision to pull our troops from Syria, I don't have enough grasp of the situation or current/accurate intelligence to praise or condemn the move.    Nor does anyone on the board but, the Sec. of Defense does.   His long standing service to this country is one reason of why he was selected to his current cabinet position.   I distinctly remember candidate Trump espousing how good his Generals were and how much he trusted them and their judgement.   

As I previously stated, President Trump constantly stirs the pot but, I don't believe his goals are always what they appear to be.     And, before accusations flow, I did vote for candidate Trump.

Rams

[Mr Whiskey]

Mattis knows more about military strategy and the Syrian situation than anyone here (and definitely more than Trump).

He believes is a huge mistake to leave Syria and against the best interests of USA.

So much that before leaving, he visited Mr Trump and asked him to reconsider his decision (to no avail).
 
This is a bad mistake that is being celebrated as a victory by Iran + Syria + Russia and will embolden USA's enemies.

It also sends a message to USA's allies (i.e. Israel + curd fighters in Syria) that the USA cannot be trusted  and neither is a reliable ally.

It is a bad day for USA's standing in the world.

Agreed, nothin' but bad on both sides of that coin.

[hubcapsc]

Mattis knows more about military strategy and the Syrian situation than anyone here

Most people know more about military strategy than I do, but I can't help remembering how
the first George Bush went to Iran and kicked Saddam's butt, and then left, and how
well that seemed to have worked out. It didn't solve all the world's problems, but
it solved the specific problem that Saddam was causing, and then it was over.

We shouldn't sit back and watch genocide (or whatever), but reacting to it in
some productive way and then leaving seems to be way better than
being occupiers.

-Mike

[Robert]

Mattis is a military man that uses a hammer, sometimes in all situations a hammer is not needed. Not to mention maybe Mattis's reconstruction of our military and the people he put in place was his primary role since the previous admin decimated the military.

When you fail to plan you plan to fail.  


It all started when the election did not go the way it was supposed to. The US was not meant to survive in its present form.


The objective was to remove notional sovereignty of the US and create a boarderless society. A plan was underway to weaken the US which stands in the way of globalism and needed to be weakened and destroyed.  

  One leg in the plan was to weaken our military, the previous admin de-funded and allowed our military to weaken and be compromised. They installed rouge operators in the military, leak classified intelligence. Part of that was done through Hillary's server that she maintained apart from the email server that she had. Crowd strike was used to facilitate this along with SAP programs Special Access Programs were alleged to be sold under the Hillary server and she had these programs on her server. The program itself was illegal for Hillary since she was not authorized to have them much less on a unsecured server. If this could be proved it would be a charge of TREASON for Hillary.

China hacked a Navy contractor and secured a trove of highly sensitive data on submarine warfare
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/china-hacked-a-navy-contractor-and-secured-a-trove-of-highly-sensitive-data-on-submarine-warfare/2018/06/08/6cc396fa-68e6-11e8-bea7-c8eb28bc52b1_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.3aef491a4df2

 including secret plans to develop a supersonic anti-ship missile for use on U.S. submarines by 2020, according to American officials.  ???  

Weaken the conservative base through media attacks, censoring of conservatives and IRS, and governmental scrutiny. MS 13, weaken boarders, sanctuary cities, unchecked migration, destruction of middle class. Media blitz for political correctness and always keep them guessing.

ISIS which Trump did destroy in two years, was proliferating under the previous administration and allowed to flourish. This also involves part of the Uranium One deal which found US Uranium going into Syria and Iran diverted by McCain and not all of it going into Russia. Uranium has a signature that is traceable, so if we found US Uranium in Syria and the nuclear signature was there of this Uranium it would be blamed on Russia and get us into a war with Russia. If you remember the earlier attacks on Syria by combined multi international forces and the massive explosion that happened. Why did Trump meet with Russia not long before this and why did Russia NOT retaliate when we bombed Syria?

Why was the media pushing Russia as a villain and we need to do something about them? We dont hear anymore about this, WHY?

Look at the movie Sum of All Fears and see the parallels.

Irans program by Obama was called "Strategic Patience" which allowed and funded Iran to develop medium range missiles along with other rouge nations like NK and gave billions of dollars to Iran and allowed them to build the missiles.
 
 Iran was paid billions of dollars also and was in part building nuclear capable weapons as revealed of late. Even the EU said so in as much as admitting the agreement Obama struck was a farce.

Decreasing the effectiveness of the military intelligence was also another part of the plan. Along with taking out of satellites and a space EMP would have effectively decimated the US as we know it today.

The previous admins neglect of NASA was strategic it allowed our military to become ineffective and allowed bad guys to take down satellites and this means an EMP could be exploded over the US killing 90 percent of the population.


https://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/technology/322918-how-barack-obama-ruined-nasa-space-exploration

Another leg get rid of the second amendment, ban the sale of firearms and control population growth.  

But the battle for the courts is in play right now since they need to stack the courts with the judges favorable to their needs and that is why the battle for the Supreme court and local elections is so vital for them right now. It is also vital to us also since if the rule of law is perverted and then courts uphold a perverted rule then it will be allowed to continue to the destruction of morals and society as a whole

The courts are stacked against conservatives and some outright criminal justices so if the good guys did not get into places of authority how could we expect fair prosecution of these people? Why was an autopsy not done on Anthony Scalia?

Remove the electoral college is and was part of the plan since the population is much more easily swayed. Also the Soros voting machines will help change the vote.

The plan to stop all of this was to put in place all the pillars that were needed to prosecute and remove the traitors from our midst. Including the renovation of GITMO


This is a short break down of why the changing of the guard in the Trump administration does not mean what many think it means.

 There is a war game going on right now for the survival of the US and it does not necessarily have to be won out in the battle field. Its being done and has been done for years in Washington with backroom deals, corrupt politicians and pay to play players. All not caring about the average person except as a robot and income and power source for those in control.

This leaves out one of their most important tools: use healthcare to destroy small businesses. Healthcare is virtually unaffordable unless you're working for a gigantic company. This has killed small businesses and American ingenuity.
 

Time to understand and take back our country.

[carolinarider09]

I don't know what Secretary Mattis knows, nor do I know what President Trump knows.

But, I thought I understood general military objectives and operations. And those objectives are usually well known when military actions are started.  

In other words, you start a military operation with a given objective and once that objective has been reached, the job is finished.  You then have the option of reevaluating the situation and setting a new objective or returning home.  The need for this activity is then reviewed and a decision made.

So I ask you, what is the objective or our presence in Syria.  What does victory look like (competing that objective).

Same for our military presence in Afghanistan.  What is the objective?  What doe victory look like?

Regarding an objective.  It must be definable.  It must be attainable.  

Granted we have troops stationed throughout the world, but most of them with allies who want us there and no in conflict with the locals.  But if we are to put our soldiers and sailors lives at risk, should we not have a predefined objective which we can actually achieve?

[Jess from VA]

I also lack anywhere near the information necessary to form an opinion on troop dispositions in the Middle East.

I do tend to believe top military (grunt) commanders have a better handle (and judgment) on war fighting issues than politicians.  I would hope those generals would give their opinions based on the best interests of the United States, not on the share of budget given to the military (which may not be the same thing).

I can certainly understand Mattis having strong disagreements with Trump on these issues, but if he quit his job over them (rather than being fired, and we don't know which it was), I am unhappy that he would do that instead of staying put to continue to give our Commander in Chief his best advice and assistance.  Even if dealing with him is a PITA.

I like (even love) our president for what he is doing and trying to do for our country (if not his personality).  I wish he was better at picking and keeping his closest advisors and Secretaries.  Guiding our country through these difficult times needs a solid team effort of the best men and women available, not one man alone.   

[scooperhsd]

In that case - you have the wrong man in charge. Trump has always been and will always be about what is good for him personally first, the country second.

The ONLY person who NEEDS that wall is Trump, and the reason is as clear as the nose on your face - it's what his base wants.

[¿spoom]

My personal opinion is that if General Mattis says something, the President should listen.



Rams

Listen, or obey? I have a lot of respect for Gen. Mattis, as did a lot of civilians for Gen. Mc Arthur. It's a constant balance of many Presidents being lifelong civilians vs  Secs. of Defense being career military. Often the Generals think only of how to win a battle, not if we really need one. Trump is/will be cursed no matter what he does. Personally I'll be glad to get out, and spend the money on healthcare here, and a few more nukes to kill the eventual winner in the middle east if they make it necessary to the west's survival.
 

Hmmm....  Your opinion of Generals differs from mine dramatically.   I am acquainted with or know several officers who have or had a star or two on their shoulders.   I can assure you they are very well informed, intelligent and politically savvy.   Not one questions who commands the US military but, they all have strong opinions and possess something many politicians lack.  Integrity.   

In reference to President Trump and his decision to pull our troops from Syria, I don't have enough grasp of the situation or current/accurate intelligence to praise or condemn the move.    Nor does anyone on the board but, the Sec. of Defense does.   His long standing service to this country is one reason of why he was selected to his current cabinet position.   I distinctly remember candidate Trump espousing how good his Generals were and how much he trusted them and their judgement.   

As I previously stated, President Trump constantly stirs the pot but, I don't believe his goals are always what they appear to be.     And, before accusations flow, I did vote for candidate Trump.

Rams

No accusations, and I appreciate your input. I try and balance things out. I don't know if I'm jaded, or just a realist, but I'm seeing peace in the middle east in the same light as global warming. The debate (to me) isn't what exists, but what can be changed besides going broke. Mattis warns we'll be under attack in a few years. Um, thought we've been under attack since before 911. Perhaps we should concentrate on more serious weapons against enemies along with the courage to use them. And I don't mean an extra thousand Strykers. 

[¿spoom]

Mattis is a military man that uses a hammer, sometimes in all situations a hammer is not needed. Not to mention maybe Mattis's reconstruction of our military and the people he put in place was his primary role since the previous admin decimated the military.

When you fail to plan you plan to fail.  


It all started when the election did not go the way it was supposed to. The US was not meant to survive in its present form.


The objective was to remove notional sovereignty of the US and create a boarderless society. A plan was underway to weaken the US which stands in the way of globalism and needed to be weakened and destroyed.  

  One leg in the plan was to weaken our military, the previous admin de-funded and allowed our military to weaken and be compromised. They installed rouge operators in the military, leak classified intelligence. Part of that was done through Hillary's server that she maintained apart from the email server that she had. Crowd strike was used to facilitate this along with SAP programs Special Access Programs were alleged to be sold under the Hillary server and she had these programs on her server. The program itself was illegal for Hillary since she was not authorized to have them much less on a unsecured server. If this could be proved it would be a charge of TREASON for Hillary.

China hacked a Navy contractor and secured a trove of highly sensitive data on submarine warfare
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/china-hacked-a-navy-contractor-and-secured-a-trove-of-highly-sensitive-data-on-submarine-warfare/2018/06/08/6cc396fa-68e6-11e8-bea7-c8eb28bc52b1_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.3aef491a4df2

 including secret plans to develop a supersonic anti-ship missile for use on U.S. submarines by 2020, according to American officials.  ???  

Weaken the conservative base through media attacks, censoring of conservatives and IRS, and governmental scrutiny. MS 13, weaken boarders, sanctuary cities, unchecked migration, destruction of middle class. Media blitz for political correctness and always keep them guessing.

ISIS which Trump did destroy in two years, was proliferating under the previous administration and allowed to flourish. This also involves part of the Uranium One deal which found US Uranium going into Syria and Iran diverted by McCain and not all of it going into Russia. Uranium has a signature that is traceable, so if we found US Uranium in Syria and the nuclear signature was there of this Uranium it would be blamed on Russia and get us into a war with Russia. If you remember the earlier attacks on Syria by combined multi international forces and the massive explosion that happened. Why did Trump meet with Russia not long before this and why did Russia NOT retaliate when we bombed Syria?

Why was the media pushing Russia as a villain and we need to do something about them? We dont hear anymore about this, WHY?

Look at the movie Sum of All Fears and see the parallels.

Irans program by Obama was called "Strategic Patience" which allowed and funded Iran to develop medium range missiles along with other rouge nations like NK and gave billions of dollars to Iran and allowed them to build the missiles.
 
 Iran was paid billions of dollars also and was in part building nuclear capable weapons as revealed of late. Even the EU said so in as much as admitting the agreement Obama struck was a farce.

Decreasing the effectiveness of the military intelligence was also another part of the plan. Along with taking out of satellites and a space EMP would have effectively decimated the US as we know it today.

The previous admins neglect of NASA was strategic it allowed our military to become ineffective and allowed bad guys to take down satellites and this means an EMP could be exploded over the US killing 90 percent of the population.


https://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/technology/322918-how-barack-obama-ruined-nasa-space-exploration

Another leg get rid of the second amendment, ban the sale of firearms and control population growth.  

But the battle for the courts is in play right now since they need to stack the courts with the judges favorable to their needs and that is why the battle for the Supreme court and local elections is so vital for them right now. It is also vital to us also since if the rule of law is perverted and then courts uphold a perverted rule then it will be allowed to continue to the destruction of morals and society as a whole

The courts are stacked against conservatives and some outright criminal justices so if the good guys did not get into places of authority how could we expect fair prosecution of these people? Why was an autopsy not done on Anthony Scalia?

Remove the electoral college is and was part of the plan since the population is much more easily swayed. Also the Soros voting machines will help change the vote.

The plan to stop all of this was to put in place all the pillars that were needed to prosecute and remove the traitors from our midst. Including the renovation of GITMO


This is a short break down of why the changing of the guard in the Trump administration does not mean what many think it means.

 There is a war game going on right now for the survival of the US and it does not necessarily have to be won out in the battle field. Its being done and has been done for years in Washington with backroom deals, corrupt politicians and pay to play players. All not caring about the average person except as a robot and income and power source for those in control.

This leaves out one of their most important tools: use healthcare to destroy small businesses. Healthcare is virtually unaffordable unless you're working for a gigantic company. This has killed small businesses and American ingenuity.
 

Time to understand and take back our country.

Antonin Scalia murder? Even Fox News and the Onion seemed to have missed that story.

[Valker]

In that case - you have the wrong man in charge. Trump has always been and will always be about what is good for him personally first, the country second.

The ONLY person who NEEDS that wall is Trump, and the reason is as clear as the nose on your face - it's what his base wants.

I'm sure you don't see the absurdidty and contradictions in this post.

[baldo]

Another one that wants off the crazy train....

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46661384

[MAD6Gun]

Another one that wants off the crazy train....

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46661384

 You liberals never cease to amaze me. You bitch and moan about a war Bush got us into. Praised Obama for getting us out of said war but when Trump wants to do the same thing you lose you're chit. Make up your freeking mind. The hypocrisy runs deap in the Democratic party.......

[bagelboy]

Don't really know much about politics. However, I don't understand how keeping people from coming into the country illegally is considered wrong by some. You can't come here, expect benefits, health care and food and shelter. Who will pay for it? Who will stop the floodgates from allowing hundreds, thousands or more from coming? Don't really know if a wall is needed, but how do you stop others from coming if you don't have some kind of control. Whether a wall, or some other type of security. I can't believe that this country is so divided that we cannot come together to agree that people coming to this country and using our financial resources without going through the proper channels is wrong. Democrat, Republican, Liberal, Libertarian, Undecided? All these labels, but American! Act like you love your country! Anyone, and I mean anyone, coming here illegally, and not going through the proper channels should be stopped. It basic common sense! I think some people are so planted in their political bases that they sometimes don't see the writing on the wall for their kids and grand kids.

[f6john]

Another one that wants off the crazy train....

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46661384

You have to admire people who have a position and stick with it. Then have the integrity  to remove themselves when they can’t support the leaders position. Quite unlike Obama suck asses who decided to stay on the government teat and subvert wherever they can. That crazy train runs in a lot of circles and up and down both coasts.

[Jess from VA]

Don't really know much about politics. However, I don't understand how keeping people from coming into the country illegally is considered wrong by some. You can't come here, expect benefits, health care and food and shelter. Who will pay for it? Who will stop the floodgates from allowing hundreds, thousands or more from coming? Don't really know if a wall is needed, but how do you stop others from coming if you don't have some kind of control. Whether a wall, or some other type of security. I can't believe that this country is so divided that we cannot come together to agree that people coming to this country and using our financial resources without going through the proper channels is wrong. Democrat, Republican, Liberal, Libertarian, Undecided? All these labels, but American! Act like you love your country! Anyone, and I mean anyone, coming here illegally, and not going through the proper channels should be stopped. It basic common sense! I think some people are so planted in their political bases that they sometimes don't see the writing on the wall for their kids and grand kids.

You nailed it buddy.  It's just that simple.   

[carolinarider09]

Does anyone remember when Obama fired General Mattis without even a phone call?

President Barack Obama fired General James Mattis, the head of Central Command, without even calling the general to let him know he was being replaced.

Story is General Mattis was travelling and in a meeting when an aide passed him a note telling him that the Pentagon had announced his replacement as head of Central Command. It was news to him -- he hadn't received a phone call or a heads-up from anyone at the Pentagon or the White House.

January 2013.

[Robert]

Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
8h8 hours ago

When President Obama ingloriously fired Jim Mattis, I gave him a second chance. Some thought I shouldn’t, I thought I should. Interesting relationship-but I also gave all of the resources that he never really had. Allies are very important-but not when they take advantage of U.S.
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Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
8h8 hours ago

If anybody but your favorite President, Donald J. Trump, announced that, after decimating ISIS in Syria, we were going to bring our troops back home (happy & healthy), that person would be the most popular hero in America. With me, hit hard instead by the Fake News Media. Crazy!
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Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
9h9 hours ago

Brett McGurk, who I do not know, was appointed by President Obama in 2015. Was supposed to leave in February but he just resigned prior to leaving. Grandstander? The Fake News is making such a big deal about this nothing event!

[rocketray]

best as I recall--the Founders warned against a standing army as they knew it would lead to mischeif--2 years after the war ends--the Army is to disband..google "all wars are bankers wars"--the head Marine General Smidley Butler warned us all--the Rothskids printed $47 trillion to own the military industrial complex  Eisenhower warned about in his farewell address...as best as I can read history..

[Alpha Dog]

Does anyone remember when Obama fired General Mattis without even a phone call?

President Barack Obama fired General James Mattis, the head of Central Command, without even calling the general to let him know he was being replaced.

Story is General Mattis was travelling and in a meeting when an aide passed him a note telling him that the Pentagon had announced his replacement as head of Central Command. It was news to him -- he hadn't received a phone call or a heads-up from anyone at the Pentagon or the White House.

January 2013.

Oh my, what has changed.  Oh yah, it was DJT that pulled the plug this time and the Lemonheads ( hate Trump 24/7 )are berserk, sort of like every day for them.  I wonder if they gave him any credit for the Prison reform that passed this pass week, with a huge bipartisan majority.  I am sure they never mentioned it, or barley.   The Repubs are divided with the Graham ( we want a 10 million man military and fight everyone around the globe) wing strongly against any pull out,  to the Rand Paul and Sen. Mike Lee wing that totally agree with the pullouts.  History has shown the Middle East to be a complete and total fubar and I will admit I have no answer and I doubt anyone does.

[scooperhsd]

If anybody tells you they have the solution to the Middle East, ask them if you can have some of what they're taking  ....

[..]

Middle East in a nutshell. Not my words

President Assad ( who is bad ) is a nasty guy who got so nasty his people rebelled and the Rebels ( who are good ) started winning ( Hurrah!).
But then some of the rebels turned a bit nasty and are now called Islamic State ( who are definitely bad!) and some continued to support democracy ( who are still good.)
So the Americans ( who are good ) started bombing Islamic State ( who are bad ) and giving arms to the Syrian Rebels ( who are good ) so they could fight Assad ( who is still bad ) which was good.
By the way, there is a breakaway state in the north run by the Kurds who want to fight IS ( which is a good thing ) but the Turkish authorities think they are bad, so we have to say they are bad whilst secretly thinking they're good and giving them guns to fight IS (which is good) but that is another matter.
Getting back to Syria.
So President Putin ( who is bad, cos he invaded Crimea and the Ukraine and killed lots of folks including that nice Russian man in London with polonium poisoned sushi ) has decided to back Assad ( who is still bad ) by attacking IS ( who are also bad ) which is sort of a good thing?
But Putin ( still bad ) thinks the Syrian Rebels ( who are good ) are also bad, and so he bombs them too, much to the annoyance of the Americans ( who are good ) who are busy backing and arming the rebels ( who are also good).
Now Iran ( who used to be bad, but now they have agreed not to build any nuclear weapons and bomb Israel are now good ) are going to provide ground troops to support Assad ( still bad ) as are the Russians ( bad ) who now have ground troops and aircraft in Syria.
So a Coalition of Assad ( still bad ) Putin ( extra bad ) and the Iranians ( good, but in a bad sort of way ) are going to attack IS ( who are bad ) which is a good thing, but also the Syrian Rebels ( who are good ) which is bad.
Now the British ( obviously good, except that nice Mr Corbyn in the corduroy jacket, who is probably bad ) and the Americans ( also good ) cannot attack Assad ( still bad ) for fear of upsetting Putin ( bad ) and Iran ( good / bad) and now they have to accept that Assad might not be that bad after all compared to IS ( who are super bad).
So Assad ( bad ) is now probably good, being better than IS ( but let’s face it, drinking your own wee is better than IS so no real choice there ) and since Putin and Iran are also fighting IS that may now make them Good. America ( still Good ) will find it hard to arm a group of rebels being attacked by the Russians for fear of upsetting Mr Putin ( now good ) and that nice mad Ayatollah in Iran ( also Good ) and so they may be forced to say that the Rebels are now Bad, or at the very least abandon them to their fate. This will lead most of them to flee to Turkey and on to Europe or join IS ( still the only constantly bad group).
To Sunni Muslims, an attack by Shia Muslims ( Assad and Iran ) backed by Russians will be seen as something of a Holy War, and the ranks of IS will now be seen by the Sunnis as the only Jihadis fighting in the Holy War and hence many Muslims will now see IS as Good ( Doh!.)
Sunni Muslims will also see the lack of action by Britain and America in support of their Sunni rebel brothers as something of a betrayal ( mmm.might have a point.) and hence we will be seen as Bad.
So now we have America ( now bad ) and Britain ( also bad ) providing limited support to Sunni Rebels ( bad ) many of whom are looking to IS ( Good / bad ) for support against Assad ( now good ) who, along with Iran ( also Good) and Putin ( also, now, unbelievably, Good ) are attempting to retake the country Assad used to run before all this started?
So, now you fully understand everything, all your questions are answered!!!!

[¿spoom]

best as I recall--the Founders warned against a standing army as they knew it would lead to mischeif--2 years after the war ends--the Army is to disband..google "all wars are bankers wars"--the head Marine General Smidley Butler warned us all--the Rothskids printed $47 trillion to own the military industrial complex  Eisenhower warned about in his farewell address...as best as I can read history..

Sounds good, until one starts to think how long it would take to build an train a "new" military when some non-banker decided it was needed. The US was saved by it's location on the globe, not it's military, when it ended up in WWII. Personally, I can't see beating our swords into plowshares OR simply tossing them out. Evil only fears superior force.