social security coming to an end

[RP#62]

About this analogy of locking a door: I believe all forum members already have a nice door at their homes and most importantly, is not asking everyone else in the country to pay to build such door.

Sorry, but is a simplistic and failed analogy.

Ok then remove your doors.  

But you won't do that will you? You think your stuff should be secure in your home behind locked doors but the United States is something that should not be secure? You know how crazy you sound? Oh hell what am I saying, I'm speaking to a troll.

What stops someone from breaking into your home and stealing your property is not the presence of a door, but the certainty of facing the law.

Once I went on a weekend vacation with my family and my daughter who was the last to leave the home forgot to close the door. Left on Friday for Lake Tahoe, returned on late Sunday, back in 2014.

When I returned the door was wide open and you could see the flat LCD screen in my staying room from outside house but nothing was taken from my home. Maybe I got lucky, but certainly living in a nice neighborhood helps.

Just building a 'wall' won't stop drug dealers from crossing the border and smuggling drugs. They got money to build ships to smuggle drugs into USA or build tunnels from Mexico to California/Texas.

It also won't stop desperate people from Central America to request asylum in the USA. They are facing death in their countries, a wall won't stop them to look for a port of entry at a section in the 'wall' and request asylum.

If you ask the actual Americans who leave by the border, they say that a wall would be useless. What they want (and I personally support) is better enforcement and more officers protecting the country... and look at the plus side: you create jobs!

I'm starting to believe this whole 'wall' thing is more of a psychological need than the real desire to properly address the issues at hand.

Not so.  If that were true, there would be little crime.  Most people break the law because they are convinced that there is a slim chance of getting caught. 

-RP

[old2soon]

           IF and I emphasize IF social insecurity goes belly up I are well and truly snuggled. Lets just say 2nd ex got to my 401k before I retired and my Valkyrie is the result of what was left. I keep the 3 bdrm bath and a half rent house cuz the rent includes a garage/workshop combination. Do NOT misconstrue WHAT I'm saying-I have zero complaints about my financial situation such as it is-my bills are current I have food in the fridge and the freezer and dry goods on the shelves and enough ammo that I feel almost comfortable. My car pymt is current as are other bills as I stated. When I need new boots or jeans or a jacket etc etc I go out and purchase it New. There are a LOT more areas in the U S of A where my social insecurity check would NOT meet my month to month needs. I not ONLY reside in Southern Missouri cuz I can afford it but I iz also somewhat of a redneck.  My net worth-dollar wise speaking-is NOT in the stratosphere-more like hedge hoppin. I believe social insecurity will see me to my grave.  BUT on the other hand who REALLY knows? RIDE SAFE.

[3fan4life]

About this analogy of locking a door: I believe all forum members already have a nice door at their homes and most importantly, is not asking everyone else in the country to pay to build such door.

Sorry, but is a simplistic and failed analogy.

No it is not a failed analogy.

It proves that a wall of some kind should've been built a long time ago.

One of the few things that the Federal Government is required to do is protect our borders.

Open borders cannot be allowed to exist.

As someone that jumped through all of the hoops to immigrate here legally you should be against anyone just "walking" across the border.

[Rams]

I agree with the punishing companies (and individuals) for employing illegals. I strongly disagree with refusing emergency medical attention for illegals and their children. Do we really want to be so heartless as a society that we let children die ? (That's a rhetorical question, I'm afraid of your answer)

Anyone responding to the heartless question will be assumed to be just that, heartless.

So be it.    Democrats (in general) always want to spend other people's money.   Their generosity is always at the expense of all of our tax dollars.   No one wants to see anyone needlessly die, especially, children but, you nor anyone else should be so willing to spend the resources of this nation for those who will not abide by our laws.   Why aren't you so concerned about the kids dying south of our border?

Most would argue that it's not the children's fault and I would agree.   Place the blame on those who are guilty, the adults who illegally enter and bring these kids to our country.   It's also not my family's fault and I don't appreciate our tax dollars being spent on illegal entrants.    

My suggestion would be to start a "Go Fund Me" medical fund for illegal aliens or for those on the other side of the border.  You can spend all the money you wish that is your's.      That way all the "bleeding heart"  folks can donate their dollars and allow our tax dollars to be spent more wisely on this nation's needs.

I've been to and served on the Korean DMZ, didn't enjoy a single day there.   North Korean citizen's have a life just as bad as those immigrants you want to help but I don't see anyone advocating to bring those folks south, just the opposite.     Yeah, there are political/military reasons but, those kids are still starving and dying in NK.    Why is it that you advocate for those have successfully and illegally crossed our border and yet leave out those still south of our border?     

So, go start that "Go Fund Me" drive and donate all you want to it but, leave my dollars alone.
I might even donate to that fund, I already have three charities I willingly support.   But, those charities are supported due to choices I make, not by choices you or anyone else who decides to give my tax dollars to.

Build the Wall or set up a DMZ, doesn't matter to me.    We can't save everyone but you are welcome to use your own resources to try.  

Rams
aka: Heartless

[Robert]

Another way illegal immagration hurts the US

https://www.azbordertrash.gov/

The collection and disposal of waste in remote areas along Arizona's 370-mile border with Mexico poses difficult challenges. An estimated more than 2,000 tons of trash is discarded annually in Arizona's borderlands. A variety of federal and state government entities, Native American tribes and private landowners are affected by the problem, and addressing it requires extensive coordination.

Build the wall so we can get back our land,

The signs were posted by the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) along a 60-mile stretch of Interstate 8 between Casa Grande and Gila Bend, a major east-west corridor linking Tucson and Phoenix with San Diego.

U.S. Parkland Bordering Mexico, Shut Since 2006, Remains Off-Limits As Violence Escalates

U.S. Fish and Wildlife staffers report that the 3,500 acre Buenos Aires National Wildlife Refuge in this area is closed to U.S. citizens as well and is "adversely affected" by cartel operations.

The result, said Sheriff Babeu, was that a wide corridor of Arizona from the border North to the outskirts of Phoenix is effectively controlled by the cartels. "We do not have control of this area," the sheriff said.

[cookiedough]

Regarding the wall,  maybe EVERY single adult American be required to donate 2 bucks to build the wall, that would cover it right?   Small price to pay for the illegals coming in right?

Only once have been to Nogales Mexico south of Tucson way back in the early 90s when a passport or much other id excessive was not required to cross the border patrol station.  Back then, if I recall correctly,  they had gates to cross with border patrol standing nearby is all.  Well,  what happened next was in a shocker for me.  An illegal Mexican tried to  jump the gates and ran as fast as he could right by me scaring the crapola outta me thinking he was going to attack me.  I braced myself for an attack but he kept on running right past me.  The border patrol unleashed the german shepherd dog running right by me as well and the dog tackled the illegal Mexican chewing him to shreds before they pried the dog off of him.  I thought to myself do I really want to go into Mexico there to buy a belt or vanilla, etc.?  Was an experience to never forget with Mexicans living on hillsides with nothing more than a tin roof and old wooden boards for walls, no plumbing or anything just shacks on hills in a desert setting.  Not so sure I want those folks living next door to me....

back on track,  only time will tell if social security will be around in 20 more years or so.  Personally, I do not see it being around for us now under age 50 future retirees to use based upon govt. spending now.  I just thought it was an interesting article to post and think about.  One thing I think we all can agree upon is our govt. needs to quit spending our money foolishly, like that will EVER happen? 

My .01 cent!   

 

[Serk]

Regarding the wall,  maybe EVERY single adult American be required to donate 2 bucks to build the wall, that would cover it right?   Small price to pay for the illegals coming in right?

If it's required, it's not a donation.

But no, $2 per person wouldn't cover it. There's ~250,000,000 adults in the US, $2 per would only bring in around 1/2 billion. The wall will cost 25-50 billion (And with normal government incompetence, probably double or triple that.)

Money well spent, don't get me wrong, but far more than $2 per adult.

[Serk]

As far as the heartless query, I'm going to tell a story.

I have an old friend, friends since my mommy would drive me to his mommy's house.

He fell into a new friend, Meth.

He kept getting near rock bottom, but someone, friend or family, would always show compassion for him and lift him up, only for him to go back to his true love, meth, once again.

Eventually, he'd used up all his friends and family, and when he hit rock bottom, he really hit rock bottom.

It was the kindest thing we could do for him.

It forced him to decide to clean himself up, and he has done so.

As long as we keep supporting these criminals who come here in any way, they'll keep coming, leading to more death and suffering, not only for US citizens, but for the invaders themselves.

It's time we take a tough love approach to force them to go back home, and fix their own countries.

As long as we're providing a safe haven for them here, things will not get fixed in their own countries, no matter how much money we throw at the problem.

Especially if those with the most initiative to do anything are up and moving here.

[The emperor has no clothes]

As far as the heartless query, I'm going to tell a story.

I have an old friend, friends since my mommy would drive me to his mommy's house.

He fell into a new friend, Meth.

He kept getting near rock bottom, but someone, friend or family, would always show compassion for him and lift him up, only for him to go back to his true love, meth, once again.

Eventually, he'd used up all his friends and family, and when he hit rock bottom, he really hit rock bottom.

It was the kindest thing we could do for him.

It forced him to decide to clean himself up, and he has done so.

As long as we keep supporting these criminals who come here in any way, they'll keep coming, leading to more death and suffering, not only for US citizens, but for the invaders themselves.

It's time we take a tough love approach to force them to go back home, and fix their own countries.

As long as we're providing a safe haven for them here, things will not get fixed in their own countries, no matter how much money we throw at the problem.

Especially if those with the most initiative to do anything are up and moving here.

Your analogy is interesting. I’m not sure how it equates to a 5 year old illegal who has pulled a pot of boiling water on to themself with 3rd degree burns.

[Serk]

Your analogy is interesting. I’m not sure how it equates to a 5 year old illegal who has pulled a pot of boiling water on to themself with 3rd degree burns.

If the parents know there will be no assistance should their child come to harm, they will be highly incentivezed to stop being criminals and go home.

[Rams]

I’m not sure how it equates to a 5 year old illegal who has pulled a pot of boiling water on to themself with 3rd degree burns.

It equates just as much as the idea that the end result is some how our fault and responsibility.
I'm curious, just who do you believe is at fault and responsible?

Please feel free to economically assist those you wish to assist.    

Rams
aka: hardass'd and heartless

[The emperor has no clothes]

I’m not sure how it equates to a 5 year old illegal who has pulled a pot of boiling water on to themself with 3rd degree burns.

It equates just as much as the idea that the end result is some how our fault and responsibility.
I'm curious, just who do you believe is at fault and responsible?

Please feel free to economically assist those you wish to assist.    

Rams
aka: hardass'd and heartless

Knowing that a child is illegal should not be a criteria for letting them die by refusing emergency help at a hospital.

[Rams]

I’m not sure how it equates to a 5 year old illegal who has pulled a pot of boiling water on to themself with 3rd degree burns.

It equates just as much as the idea that the end result is some how our fault and responsibility.
I'm curious, just who do you believe is at fault and responsible?

Please feel free to economically assist those you wish to assist.    

Rams
aka: hardass'd and heartless

Knowing that a child is illegal should not be a criteria for letting them die by refusing emergency help at a hospital.

Does this mean you accept financial responsibility for this child's care?
Where does the it stop, free medical, free education, free EBT cards, free phones, free transportation?   And all this for illegal aliens?   My goodness, who wouldn't want to cross that border.....

Just where do you draw the line using other people's money?

Rams

[..]

If criminal parents didn't act criminally by crossing a nations border illegally with at risk children there wouldn't be a problem.

Would there?

Why so difficult for some to understand unless they just want to stir the stink pot with a wooden spoon again.

[Rams]

If criminal parents didn't act criminally by crossing a nations border illegally with at risk children there wouldn't be a problem.

Would there?

Why so difficult for some to understand unless they just want to stir the stink pot with a wooden spoon again.

Thinking it is called sending someone on a guilt trip.    In this case, the people that should be on that guilt trip are the ones who put the child in such a position.

No one here has assigned any guilt to the child.

As I said previously, we are not responsible.

[baldo]

Knowing that a child is illegal should not be a criteria for letting them die by refusing emergency help at a hospital.

Even if the injuries were from the previously suggested minefields?

[Serk]

Knowing that a child is illegal should not be a criteria for letting them die by refusing emergency help at a hospital.

Even if the injuries were from the previously suggested minefields?

Then the parents should be charged with murder, same as if they had a child walk across a busy freeway.

[..]

Away down the rabbit hole they charge.

[Robert]

You do know in the USA if you put your child deliberately in harms way DCS will take your children away.

Why should anyone who is from another country, deliberately putting their child in harms way and using them as a pawn be considered for citizenship?

They should be thrown in jail for committing an criminal act against children just as they would do here to parents and then ship them all back to their country of origin.

The parents who brought their children here without proper care or protections is committing a crime according to the US laws. Greater is the abuse to them than its been to most children and families paraded through the legal process when no charge was warranted. In fact if you are homeless you can have your children taken away here so how does someone coming into this country penniless and not knowing anyone allowed to keep their children much less their citizenship?

When a Dr or school is told if the child has a bruise or cut on any part of their body they are required by law to report it and a visit from child services will follow. Possibly to have the children taken away.

                                        A few facts

There were two million homeless people migrating across the United States.

About 15 million children in the United States – 21% of all children – live in families with incomes below the federal poverty threshold, a measurement that has been shown to underestimate the needs of families

The stories of Debra Harrell, the working mother who was arrested for letting her 9-year-old spend summer days alone at a park crowded with families. 

The widow who left four kids home alone for a few hours, only to have them taken by the state

The vast majority, 78.3 percent of children, suffered mere "neglect" without physical, sexual, or psychological abuse, where either taken away from their families or put on a check list for visits.


My question is why are these stories not told? Why should we take in more when we have these we cannot take care of? Why are illegals treated any different than US citizens? Why is no one taking care of these who are here and need our help?

When Obama and Hillary put all the coal plants out of business under the guise of climate change I heard NO ONE bleed for their families and lost jobs that these suffered. Many not able to find other jobs and unskilled at anything else.

IF you bleed for one then bleed for all otherwise you are a hypocrite. Dole out the same rules, laws and benefits to all uniformly. But that never seems to be the case.

[Jess from VA]

What has always irritated me is that it seems that those with the least financially secure, educated, stable, lives make the most babies (not always, but very often).  I suppose they have more time for leisure and sex is a low cost entertainment, but they really ought to find another hobby.  Or spring for some condoms.

The cradle to grave, multi-generational welfare system in this country pays them more money for more babies, and then a higher than average percentage of those babies later end up in the prison welfare system.  With the attendant carnage associated with the felonious lifestyle.  And taxpayers foot the bill for all of it.  

This is very poor policy.  But it buys votes that stay bought, and for multiple generations.

It is certainly not the babies' fault, and they suffer the consequences of this system.

As a young teenage babysitter in my fairly affluent neighborhood growing up, I gained first hand knowledge of just how hard a job and how much work good parenting was, and elected at that young age to never have any of my own.  You may call that selfishness, but I thought it was good judgment, for me.  I had years' of hard work and study and saving just to take care of myself.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I’m not sure how it equates to a 5 year old illegal who has pulled a pot of boiling water on to themself with 3rd degree burns.

It equates just as much as the idea that the end result is some how our fault and responsibility.
I'm curious, just who do you believe is at fault and responsible?

Please feel free to economically assist those you wish to assist.    

Rams
aka: hardass'd and heartless

Many things happen to people, citizens and illegal aliens. It's not always someone's fault. It also doesn't mean someone is responsible for them. If I understand you correctly that you would not give emergency treatment to any illegal aliens, that doesn't mean you are at fault or responsible. It might say some other things though. Personally I am glad we as a society give emergency live saving treatment to anyone who goes to a hospital. It doesn't mean we are "suckers" as some would say, it speaks to our compassion.

[DirtyDan]

I’m not sure how it equates to a 5 year old illegal who has pulled a pot of boiling water on to themself with 3rd degree burns.

It equates just as much as the idea that the end result is some how our fault and responsibility.
I'm curious, just who do you believe is at fault and responsible?

Please feel free to economically assist those you wish to assist.    

Rams
aka: hardass'd and heartless

Many things happen to people, citizens and illegal aliens. It's not always someone's fault. It also doesn't mean someone is responsible for them. If I understand you correctly that you would not give emergency treatment to any illegal aliens, that doesn't mean you are at fault or responsible. It might say some other things though. Personally I am glad we as a society give emergency live saving treatment to anyone who goes to a hospital. It doesn't mean we are "suckers" as some would say, it speaks to our compassion.

Compassion........Don’t forget wisdom

Dan

[The emperor has no clothes]

I’m not sure how it equates to a 5 year old illegal who has pulled a pot of boiling water on to themself with 3rd degree burns.

It equates just as much as the idea that the end result is some how our fault and responsibility.
I'm curious, just who do you believe is at fault and responsible?

Please feel free to economically assist those you wish to assist.    

Rams
aka: hardass'd and heartless

Many things happen to people, citizens and illegal aliens. It's not always someone's fault. It also doesn't mean someone is responsible for them. If I understand you correctly that you would not give emergency treatment to any illegal aliens, that doesn't mean you are at fault or responsible. It might say some other things though. Personally I am glad we as a society give emergency live saving treatment to anyone who goes to a hospital. It doesn't mean we are "suckers" as some would say, it speaks to our compassion.

Compassion........Don’t forget wisdom

Dan

I see no wisdom in letting a child die because he or she is an illegal alien.

[baldo]

I see no wisdom in letting a child die because he or she is an illegal alien.

Anyone that could feel that way, is quite simply an asshole.

[Serk]

I see no wisdom in letting a child die because he or she is an illegal alien.

Anyone that could feel that way, is quite simply an asshole.

Then I'm an asshole.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrgpZ0fUixs

Showing compassion with someone else's money isn't compassion.

[baldo]

Where do the guns come into this? Where does the gun-enforced part happen?

[Willow]

What has always irritated me is that it seems that those with the least financially secure, educated, stable, lives make the most babies ...

I take exception to your assessment.  I have eight children, all grown now.  I have a dozen granchildren.

Perhaps you don't know me.  Perhaps your experience is limited.  Perhaps you think I fall into the category you described.  Perhaps I simply enjoyed the experience of procreation a bit more than I should've.

I agree with some of what you had to say but I am not for spaying certain members of society.  I hear a lot of talk that sounds similar to the choices of Nazi Germany and the Communist Empire.  We're not them.  I don't want us to become them.  

[Serk]

Where do the guns come into this? Where does the gun-enforced part happen?

All government actions, including theft (Taxation) is done at the end of a gun.

Government is violence by its very nature.

[baldo]

Where do the guns come into this? Where does the gun-enforced part happen?

All government actions, including theft (Taxation) is done at the end of a gun.

Government is violence by its very nature.

Oh.......ok.

[bagelboy]

Don't know you Savago, but if I lived in the state of Californication, like you do, I would definetly want a wall. I visited Los Angeles recently and was shocked by the amount of people living in the streets, the panhandling, and blocks and blocks of bums all over. It looked like a third world country!  When Pelosi gets back from her Hawaiian vacation, goes back to her gated home that has armed security, and then goes back to Washington to join her wimp lackey Schumer, perhaps she will be more willing to talk about a wall budget. Trump is digging in, and I for one hope he stays the course. If this country turns into what I saw in LA, we are done! I don't know why what I saw on the news isn't shown every night? What a dump!

[bagelboy]

And before you comment about NY, I can say that I agree. My last trip to NYC started to show some of the same environment. Of course, that's changed as well since the city voted for the deadbeat Mayor that they now have. De Blasio has undone what took years for Guiliano to clean up. NYC is slipping as well. Does anyone see a pattern.........

[The emperor has no clothes]

Don't know you Savago, but if I lived in the state of Californication, like you do, I would definetly want a wall. I visited Los Angeles recently and was shocked by the amount of people living in the streets, the panhandling, and blocks and blocks of bums all over. It looked like a third world country!  When Pelosi gets back from her Hawaiian vacation, goes back to her gated home that has armed security, and then goes back to Washington to join her wimp lackey Schumer, perhaps she will be more willing to talk about a wall budget. Trump is digging in, and I for one hope he stays the course. If this country turns into what I saw in LA, we are done! I don't know why what I saw on the news isn't shown every night? What a dump!

You feel those issues are because of illegal immigration ? Just about every big city I've ever been in has bums and panhandling. I was just recently home in Anchorage in the dead of winter. Same thing, I'm about 99.9% sure it wasn't due to illegals.

[Jess from VA]

What has always irritated me is that it seems that those with the least financially secure, educated, stable, lives make the most babies ...

I take exception to your assessment.  I have eight children, all grown now.  I have a dozen granchildren.

Perhaps you don't know me.  Perhaps your experience is limited.  Perhaps you think I fall into the category you described.  Perhaps I simply enjoyed the experience of procreation a bit more than I should've.

I agree with some of what you had to say but I am not for spaying certain members of society.  I hear a lot of talk that sounds similar to the choices of Nazi Germany and the Communist Empire.  We're not them.  I don't want us to become them.  

Carl, I stand on my assertion of too many poor uneducated people (who really can barely take care of themselves) having too many children (and being substandard parent(s)).  And I did qualify it as....not always, but very often.  I don't think I implied I was referring to you, and I sure wasn't.  As far as I know (and I don't), you supported your kids the best you could.  I don't care if a couple has 20 kids, as long as they take care of them in a satisfactory manner.

But I sure didn't write in support of spaying, Nazi eugenics, Communist (China quotas-birth control) or any of that.  I don't want any of that either.

I was writing about parental responsibility, and bad government policy in spending large money on welfare (including rewarding the production of dependent children financially) (with too many of those later going to prison), not eugenics.  

And I do apologize if I offended you.

[..]

Yep, that's right CA doesn't have to spend tens millions each year on illegals .

Money they of course wouldn't be using to help some of those "bums".

[¿spoom]

What has always irritated me is that it seems that those with the least financially secure, educated, stable, lives make the most babies ...

I take exception to your assessment.  I have eight children, all grown now.  I have a dozen granchildren.

Perhaps you don't know me.  Perhaps your experience is limited.  Perhaps you think I fall into the category you described.  Perhaps I simply enjoyed the experience of procreation a bit more than I should've.

I agree with some of what you had to say but I am not for spaying certain members of society.  I hear a lot of talk that sounds similar to the choices of Nazi Germany and the Communist Empire.  We're not them.  I don't want us to become them.  

Exception is the correct term. I don't think anyone believes that ALL large families come from uneducated, poor families. That said, I remember even in the 80's in a Soc. class it was pointed out that the higher wage, highest educated families had (on average) the smallest amount of children (1 or 2) which enabled them to place more resources into raising those offspring. Not surprisingly, a very large % of those kids also went on to the best schools and highest incomes. I'm sure the opposite edge of the bell curve has a "slightly" larger amount of low income, large family folks with no college or even HS degrees.

When we were an agrarian society, it was the rural families that tended to be larger. Now there are many inner city people that have the large families-perhaps better odds that one kid be spawn of a baby-daddy who'll support, and hopefully one kid will be successful enough to take care of mom later in life. Living near Milwaukee, where the morning news ALWAYS has 2 or more overnight shootings to report (more often than not, including one fatal shooting) I may be a tiny bit jaded.
Edit: By coincidence, tonight's Milwaukee news was recapping the shooting/homicide stats for the year. With one day to go, there have been 461 shooting/stabbings including 97 homicides.

[Robert]

Trump: America Needs ‘Slightly Larger Version’ Of Wall Protecting Obama’s House

    President and Mrs. Obama built/has a ten foot Wall around their D.C. mansion/compound. I agree, totally necessary for their safety and security. The U.S. needs the same thing, slightly larger version!

    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 30, 2018  

 

[Jess from VA]

Trump: America Needs ‘Slightly Larger Version’ Of Wall Protecting Obama’s House

    President and Mrs. Obama built/has a ten foot Wall around their D.C. mansion/compound. I agree, totally necessary for their safety and security. The U.S. needs the same thing, slightly larger version!

    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 30, 2018  

 

I could only afford a pressure treat fence;  7' in back 4' in front (the legal limit under zoning rules).


I was always taught to lead by example.     

[cookiedough]

A few times per year in our small town grocery store small town America,  I always see some lady with 3-5 young kids glued to her hip that does not speak English spending like $300+ on steak and lobster and other fine cuisine full grocery cart that I rarely EVER buy.  She pays all of it with food stamps and other means that I am not aware of how it all works out, but am sure was all FREE thanks to our lovely GOVT.   I saw NO cash or credit card exchange, just phoney money is what I call it.  And here I am buying chicken and brats at 1-2 dollars per lb. vs. hers being 15 bucks per lb.  me rarely spending over 50 bucks per grocery store visit.    

That is not right and wonder why she needs to live like a king just because her and her huge family is allowed to live so extravagant thanks to the US Govt. giving her free means to pay for all of it.  I always  feel like telling her get a job you bum, but she probably would never understand what I said since she does not speak English.  

[The emperor has no clothes]

A few times per year in our small town grocery store small town America,  I always see some lady with 3-5 young kids glued to her hip that does not speak English spending like $300+ on steak and lobster and other fine cuisine full grocery cart that I rarely EVER buy.  She pays all of it with food stamps and other means that I am not aware of how it all works out, but am sure was all FREE thanks to our lovely GOVT.   I saw NO cash or credit card exchange, just phoney money is what I call it.  And here I am buying chicken and brats at 1-2 dollars per lb. vs. hers being 15 bucks per lb.  me rarely spending over 50 bucks per grocery store visit.    

That is not right and wonder why she needs to live like a king just because her and her huge family is allowed to live so extravagant thanks to the US Govt. giving her free means to pay for all of it.  I always  feel like telling her get a job you bum, but she probably would never understand what I said since she does not speak English.  

There is plenty of abuse in the Food Stamp program. (Now they call it SNAP) But I would hardly call $5 a day for food "living like a king". I spend that on my lunch alone, and I hardly feel I live extravagantly.

[scooperhsd]

I've always felt that when someone goes on "welfare" (doesn't matter the form) - they will only get money for the number of kids they had WHEN THEY WENT ON WELFARE - no increase for additional kids, no raise for inflation, etc.