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Robert
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« on: March 04, 2019, 03:11:42 AM »

I believe these people are traitors and they have and some still do work at high levels of government. Have they used their office and contacts to thwart a duly elected President in the performance of his job?  

They dont like Trump but what if they would not like any president and ONLY their way?

The website below:

National Security Action is dedicated to advancing American global leadership and opposing the reckless policies of the Trump administration that endanger our national security and undermine U.S. strength in the world.

https://nationalsecurityaction.org/

Bringing together and mobilizing an unparalleled network of former senior officials and policy experts, academics, and civil society leaders who are dedicated to a progressive vision of American global leadership


Under President Trump’s reckless leadership, the United States is weaker in the world, less safe, and more isolated. He is retreating from the world stage, undercutting the intelligence and law enforcement agencies that keep us safe, undermining the diplomacy that prevents wars, insulting our allies, attacking democratic traditions, and cozying up to dictators while abandoning America’s commitment to universal rights and human dignity. His outbursts on Twitter are destabilizing abroad and beneath the dignity of the highest office in our land. Impulsive, erratic, and staggeringly ignorant of how the world works, Trump is unfit to lead our men and women in uniform, and he diminishes our country’s standing in the eyes of the world.


Our president should make us proud, and we should never feel ashamed by his or her conduct.

https://nationalsecurityaction.org/who-we-are

Ben Rhodes
National Security Action Co-Chair

Jake Sullivan
National Security Action Co-Chair

Barbra Boxer

Susan Rice


National security experts know this, and called on our elected representatives to back common sense gun control last year:

Today’s somber anniversary is yet another reminder that we must treat gun violence with the urgency it deserves by recognizing it for what it is:

 a matter of national security. ????

So gun control is a matter of national security to these people? Maybe so since if you want to institute laws and regs that remove the rights of ordinary citizens and make people nothing more than fodder maybe it becomes a point of your own national security, IE VENEZUELA?

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DirtyDan
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« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2019, 03:38:44 AM »

Makes me want to go shopping

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« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2019, 03:46:15 AM »

Makes me want to go shopping

Dan
  Just did last week
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« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2019, 03:52:59 AM »

Traitors because they dare to criticize the president ? If so, we have grown a slew of them between 2008-2016.
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« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2019, 04:13:55 AM »

did the boat sink in fresh water?
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Robert
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« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2019, 04:31:03 AM »

Traitors because they dare to criticize the president ? If so, we have grown a slew of them between 2008-2016.

I have no problem in criticizing, but these are people who are or who have been in government have established ties, connections and friends. The real question like Kerry who actually usurped the authority of the president and held a meeting with Iran, is how far does this go? This website looks official, it presents with authority and no worry about working against a duly elected government.
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« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2019, 04:54:36 AM »

I don't feel governed by Barbara Boxer or Susan Rice. I feel governed by Donald Trump, who I
voted for. Previously, I felt governed by Barack Obama, who I didn't vote for. The shadow government
is controlling me in ways that I am unable to perceive.

-Mike
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« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2019, 05:21:20 AM »

Traitors because they dare to criticize the president ? If so, we have grown a slew of them between 2008-2016.

I’m sure criticism of the President probably began shortly after the first term of George Washington, Obama is no special case. Of course the 24 hour a day news cycle may make it seem that way. Regardless of the veracity of the op’s post you must surely recognize that there are forces at work in the background who are not elected officials but have immense power to effect the work of the executive branch for good or bad as they see it. I think we have evidence of that in the actions of the top level of the FBI. And while there actions against Trump may please you I have to hope you see the danger in that kind of subversion.
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« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2019, 05:32:50 AM »

Green land grabs on steroids

https://www.iceagenow.info/green-land-grabs-on-steroids/#more-28231

Now radical greens are eyeing even bigger land grabs.

The Natural Resources Defense Council has sued the Department of the Interior for failing to designate “critical habitat” for the “endangered” rusty patched bumblebee. It’s the latest of many Endangered Species Act (ESA) lawsuits, abusive sue-and-settle litigation, and other actions involving insects, and it led to an eleventh-hour Obama Administration endangered designation for the rusty patched bee.

Groups that have bee-friended them claim RPBs were “once common” in many Northeastern and Midwestern states. However, back then bees and other insects were studied for taxonomic purposes – not to assess species’ diversity and populations. So no one knows how many there used to be, or where.

The activists also claim RPB populations declined rapidly beginning in the mid-1990s, because of habitat loss, disease, climate change and especially the use of crop-protection pesticides. That’s not what they were saying a few years ago, before wild bees replaced honey bees in anti-pesticide campaigns.

Back in 2013, when it petitioned the FWS for RPB endangered status, even the Xerces Society for Invertebrate Conservation said the bee’s apparent decline was due to habitat loss and multiple diseases that spread from domesticated honeybees to wild bees.

“The exact cause for the loss of the rusty patched is unclear,” says University of Virginia biology professor T’ai Roulston. “But it’s almost certainly related to disease,” especially a fungal gut parasite that “can shorten the lives of worker bees and disrupt mating success and survival of queens and males.”

The Obama FWS ignored these facts, arbitrarily downplayed its earlier disease and habitat loss explanations, and began blaming pesticides, especially advanced-technology neonicotinoid pesticides, which became a scapegoat for wild bee health problems after it became obvious to everyone that fears of a honeybee apocalypse were unfounded. A busy, understaffed Department of the Interior let the last-minute Obama era RPB endangered species designation take effect in early 2017.

The potential geographic reach of these critical habitat designations is enormous.

RPBs are likely to be found “in scattered locations that cover only 0.1% of the species’ historical range,” the FWS has said. That doesn’t sound like much. However, 0.1% of the bee’s presumed or asserted historical range is nearly four million acres – equivalent to Connecticut plus Rhode Island.

Even worse, that acreage is widely dispersed in itty-bitty parcels across 13 states where amateur entomologists have supposedly spotted rusty patched bumblebees since 2000. That’s some 380 million acres: 15 times the size of Virginia! That is green land grabs on steroids, and it’s just the beginning.

No one knows just where those parcels might be. So environmental groups could pressure and sue government agencies to halt projects – or agencies could do it at their own volition, to delay or block gas pipelines, for example – while large areas are carefully examined for signs of rusty patched bumblebees.

New York regulators might be especially prone to doing that, considering the governor and legislature’s unbending opposition to “climate destabilizing” natural gas, even as gas and electricity prices climb ever higher in the Empire State.
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« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2019, 05:58:35 AM »

Traitors because they dare to criticize the president ? If so, we have grown a slew of them between 2008-2016.

I’m sure criticism of the President probably began shortly after the first term of George Washington, Obama is no special case. Of course the 24 hour a day news cycle may make it seem that way. Regardless of the veracity of the op’s post you must surely recognize that there are forces at work in the background who are not elected officials but have immense power to effect the work of the executive branch for good or bad as they see it. I think we have evidence of that in the actions of the top level of the FBI. And while there actions against Trump may please you I have to hope you see the danger in that kind of subversion.
As to when criticism of presidents began, I can’t be sure. But I am sure the Founders didn’t desire a all powerful monarchy. As to what pleases me, you would be wrong again in your assessment of me. The OP stated these people were traitors. He would be wrong, but that in itself is not unusual. Some care to throw around the act of treason very easily. You would be wrong on your assessment of the power of previous members of the government versus current power holders.
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Robert
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« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2019, 07:45:37 AM »

I have pen and phone in hand, sounds pretty all powerful to me. Is this what you were talking  about because he levied the biggest tax hike in US history on people.
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« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2019, 05:12:24 PM »

Traitors because they dare to criticize the president ? If so, we have grown a slew of them between 2008-2016.

I’m sure criticism of the President probably began shortly after the first term of George Washington, Obama is no special case. Of course the 24 hour a day news cycle may make it seem that way. Regardless of the veracity of the op’s post you must surely recognize that there are forces at work in the background who are not elected officials but have immense power to effect the work of the executive branch for good or bad as they see it. I think we have evidence of that in the actions of the top level of the FBI. And while there actions against Trump may please you I have to hope you see the danger in that kind of subversion.
As to when criticism of presidents began, I can’t be sure. But I am sure the Founders didn’t desire a all powerful monarchy. As to what pleases me, you would be wrong again in your assessment of me. The OP stated these people were traitors. He would be wrong, but that in itself is not unusual. Some care to throw around the act of treason very easily. You would be wrong on your assessment of the power of previous members of the government versus current power holders.

I’m not as “wrong” as you think. I used the term may please you so as not to indicate I know what you think. I have totally stopped assessing you because it is a fruitless exercise. Even when you you make statements and I respond I usually get a critique that implies I don’t understand your statement which would be generally true. Did I assess the powers of previous members of government vs current power holders, I don’t see it in my post? You are a good guy but you spend way too much time trying to be right about everything. Oops, I just did an assessment didn’t I, sorry about that.
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« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2019, 05:22:13 PM »



Regardless of the veracity of the op’s post you must surely recognize that there are forces at work in the background who are not elected officials but have immense power to effect the work of the executive branch for good or bad as they see it.
Sure sounds like that's what you said to me.
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« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2019, 06:01:02 PM »



Regardless of the veracity of the op’s post you must surely recognize that there are forces at work in the background who are not elected officials but have immense power to effect the work of the executive branch for good or bad as they see it.
Sure sounds like that's what you said to me.

Since it’s a quote, it is what I said, but it’s not what you said I said. Hope that clears it up for you. If not read it again slowly this time.
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« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2019, 06:14:43 PM »

Seems I had a post yanked here lol
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« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2019, 01:41:07 AM »

Traitors because they dare to criticize the president ? If so, we have grown a slew of them between 2008-2016.

I’m sure criticism of the President probably began shortly after the first term of George Washington, Obama is no special case. Of course the 24 hour a day news cycle may make it seem that way. Regardless of the veracity of the op’s post you must surely recognize that there are forces at work in the background who are not elected officials but have immense power to effect the work of the executive branch for good or bad as they see it. I think we have evidence of that in the actions of the top level of the FBI. And while there actions against Trump may please you I have to hope you see the danger in that kind of subversion.
As to when criticism of presidents began, I can’t be sure. But I am sure the Founders didn’t desire a all powerful monarchy. As to what pleases me, you would be wrong again in your assessment of me. The OP stated these people were traitors. He would be wrong, but that in itself is not unusual. Some care to throw around the act of treason very easily. You would be wrong on your assessment of the power of previous members of the government versus current power holders.
    Would you Call the Isis woman that wants to return a traitor?I believe she more than qualified  for that  label.
  Am I right ? She committed  this crime in a time of war and should suffer the penalty.
     There I have called someone a traitor  and don't  think I am just throwing  the term around.
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« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2019, 02:56:08 AM »

Traitors because they dare to criticize the president ? If so, we have grown a slew of them between 2008-2016.

I’m sure criticism of the President probably began shortly after the first term of George Washington, Obama is no special case. Of course the 24 hour a day news cycle may make it seem that way. Regardless of the veracity of the op’s post you must surely recognize that there are forces at work in the background who are not elected officials but have immense power to effect the work of the executive branch for good or bad as they see it. I think we have evidence of that in the actions of the top level of the FBI. And while there actions against Trump may please you I have to hope you see the danger in that kind of subversion.
As to when criticism of presidents began, I can’t be sure. But I am sure the Founders didn’t desire a all powerful monarchy. As to what pleases me, you would be wrong again in your assessment of me. The OP stated these people were traitors. He would be wrong, but that in itself is not unusual. Some care to throw around the act of treason very easily. You would be wrong on your assessment of the power of previous members of the government versus current power holders.
    Would you Call the Isis woman that wants to return a traitor?I believe she more than qualified  for that  label.
  Am I right ? She committed  this crime in a time of war and should suffer the penalty.
     There I have called someone a traitor  and don't  think I am just throwing  the term around.
Yes, I would. The discussion was about some former government officials who criticized the president.
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