They ride among us

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Driving my school bus north on hwy 441 - 4 lane - yesterday afternoon around 4.30 p.m.

Light to moderate traffic.

I pull up at a red light.

3 bikes are in my lane ahead of me.

Various vehicles in the left lane.

Green light on and away we go.

Well the left lane goes, my lane kind of stutters away. I've seen bicycles move off quicker.

Eventually the 3 bikes are moving at about a steady 50 - 55 mph. Posted speed limit is 65.

I like to run this at 60. Not in a hurry to get back to school and I use a tad less gas.

Once the left lane clears I move left and overtake the bikes.

Couple of V twin Hondas and an I/S leading.

Once past I move back into the right lane.

After about 5 minutes I can see the bikes have moved into the left lane and are now impeding following vehicles. Law states move slower vehicles move right.

There's a strong police presence along this section of 4 lane and most drivers set the speed at about 70.

Red light after a couple of miles.

Bikes pull up next to me. Cars lined up behind them anticipating a quick get away and being able to pass my bus.

I leave the bike in my diesel exhaust.

They stay in the left lane and the following vehicles have to use the right lane to pass them.

Couple of miles further on another red light.

Bikes are in the lane next to me.

Situation repeats itself as the green light comes on.

After a few minutes i can just see the leading bikes headlight and vehicles are passing in the right lane.

Another red light and this time the bikes are turning left.

They traveled nearly 15 miles in the left lane.

[old2soon]

         Nearly identical situation here in the Ozarks. I absofrikkinlutely LOVE idjits that park in either lane then at the last possible second wanna turn right from the left lane or turn left from the right lane or just stop cuz da be confused.  And in a School Bus you have lots and lots of Responsibility thrust on you Paul.  Stay cool and RIDE SAFE.

[Serk]

One of my absolute biggest pet peeves. I know some states are starting to ticket left lane campers, should be stiff penalties, revocation of driver license level at minimum for repeat offenses.

Need signs like this up everywhere:



And I've got these on the back left of all my cages (Might add one to the Interstate..... hmmm...)

[Willow]

LOL!  Interesting that someones traveling so much more slowly were staying within sight of and parallelling the bus at stoplights for over fifteen miles.   

If that's the best example you have of something to make you feel better than others today it's still a good day.      

[old2soon]

         Wanna see a LOT of the dumb asses available here in the U S of A? Spend some time in the right seat of an 18 wheeler. Ask me HOW I Know dis!  Whatever I be ridin on or drivin in I ALWAYS try to figure out What is the most asinine stupid ridiculous uncalled for idiotic move someone else can make? Rarely am I disappointed that they didn't make THAT move!  Some people should NOT be let out of their rubber room much less be allowed into something with an engine out on the highways and byways. RIDE SAFE.

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LOL!  Interesting that someones traveling so much more slowly were staying within sight of and parallelling the bus at stoplights for over fifteen miles.   

If that's the best example you have of something to make you feel better than others today it's still a good day.      

Your second reply in a row to a post of mine doubting my word. I'll repeat what I wrote previously Do I care what you think?

Why do you read my posts?

Anyone with a actual superior intelligence and intellect would know that the road I was driving along has long straights and school buses have rear view mirrors that magnify.

Those who mistakenly perceive they have those personal qualities will just make silly statements.

 

[Willow]

LOL!  Interesting that someones traveling so much more slowly were staying within sight of and parallelling the bus at stoplights for over fifteen miles.   

If that's the best example you have of something to make you feel better than others today it's still a good day.      

Your second reply in a row to a post of mine doubting my word. I'll repeat what I wrote previously Do I care what you think?

Why do you read my posts?

Anyone with a actual superior intelligence and intellect would know that the road I was driving along has long straights and school buses have rear view mirrors that magnify.

Those who mistakenly perceive they have those personal qualities will just make silly statements. 

It's my responsibility to try to read everything that's posted on the General and Classified boards.

Fifteen miles?  I hope I didn't imply I doubted.  I meant to imply it wasn't really possible.

Superior intelligence?  How could you possibly hope to recognize such?

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LOL!  Interesting that someones traveling so much more slowly were staying within sight of and parallelling the bus at stoplights for over fifteen miles.   

If that's the best example you have of something to make you feel better than others today it's still a good day.      

Your second reply in a row to a post of mine doubting my word. I'll repeat what I wrote previously Do I care what you think?

Why do you read my posts?

Anyone with a actual superior intelligence and intellect would know that the road I was driving along has long straights and school buses have rear view mirrors that magnify.

Those who mistakenly perceive they have those personal qualities will just make silly statements. 

It's my responsibility to try to read everything that's posted on the General and Classified boards.

Fifteen miles?  I hope I didn't imply I doubted.  I meant to imply it wasn't really possible.

Superior intelligence?  How could you possibly hope to recognize such?

Yawn!

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

They do walk and ride among us.

I wonder how often the cages that pull out in front of us do so because they've been stuck behind "a motorcycle slow parade" such as that one and don't want to risk getting stuck behind another one? Around here there are many areas where you'll wait quite a while for a passing zone and "slow parades" like that are sometimes seen with 10 or more cars stacked up behind them.

I know I'm talking two lanes and you're talking four but I think it's the same mentality at work in both situations.

[Alberta Patriot]

Try that attitude anywhere in Europe and you will be pulled over or run over, and rightfully so.
No one living over there would even think of pulling a stupid stunt like that.
Honestly, it is a pleasure driving the freeways over there, as everyone clearly understands the rules.
If you want respect from cagers...show some. That goes for the Cyclists With the Neon Colored Tights as well. Not sure how many multiple times I've seen those A-Holes obstruct traffic.  
The few times that I ridden with guys like that ends up being a one time only experience.

[Rams]

Try that attitude anywhere in Europe and you will be pulled over or run over, and rightfully so.
No one living over there would even think of pulling a stupid stunt like that.
Honestly, it is a pleasure driving the freeways over there, as everyone clearly understands the rules.
If you want respect from cagers...show some. That goes for the Cyclists With the Neon Colored Tights as well. Not sure how many multiple times I've seen those A-Holes obstruct traffic.  
The few times that I ridden with guys like that ends up being a one time only experience.

Lost a good friend in Germany, he and his driver were killed when the military jeep (trail vehicle of a tracked convoy on the autoban), he was run over by a tanker truck doing over eighty mph in the slow lane.   His M151 was totally destroyed, smashed beyond recognition.   The M151 had multiple rotating yellow flashing strobe lights and four way flashers were on.   The convoy of tracked artillery vehicles was moving at top speed but, the trucker never hit his brakes.  

I don't like left lane campers either but, it ain't always their fault.   When I transport, I constantly have to decide which lane is best for me and the others I am sharing the road with.

Rams

[Alberta Patriot]

"I don't like left lane campers either but, it ain't always their fault."

With all due respect to your friend...If you are camping the left lane, it is always your fault when angry impatient drivers do stupid chit to try and get around, sometimes causing collateral damage to innocent travellers on that highway.  

[Rams]

"I don't like left lane campers either but, it ain't always their fault."

With all due respect to your friend...If you are camping the left lane, it is always your fault when angry impatient drivers do stupid chit to try and get around, sometimes causing collateral damage to innocent travellers on that highway.  

Understood, the convoy he was in was in the slow lane.  The trucker was attempting to pass other traffic   using the slower lane.

Rams

[Alberta Patriot]

"I don't like left lane campers either but, it ain't always their fault."

With all due respect to your friend...If you are camping the left lane, it is always your fault when angry impatient drivers do stupid chit to try and get around, sometimes causing collateral damage to innocent travellers on that highway.  

Understood, the convoy he was in was in the slow lane.  The trucker was attempting to pass other traffic   using the slower lane.

Rams

What happened to your friend sounds like the result of a very unhinged driver. Europe has very strictly enforced speed rules for transport truckers. They must submit their GPS Logged travel records by law, including the continuously monitored speed of the unit that they operate. It used to be a round disk about the size of a CD inserted into a data recorder, now it is a GPS Logger. Tourist Bus Operators there must abide by the same laws.

[ridingron]

Several years ago, I was at a bike rally in Texas. One of the guys came in after a days riding and was bellyaching about a performance or in his case a non-performance award. It seems he was flying down the road in the left lane kinda passing a car. An leo pulled up behind him to pull him over. As the leo was writing his citation he was pleading his case. Finally, he said "I was doing 85, how fast do I need to go?" The leo handed him his award, shrugged, and asked "95 ?" They had stopped right in front of a "left lane passing only" sign.

[Oss]

In NY you can pass on the right 2 lanes or more

How to Pass on the Right from NY DMV

You can normally pass other vehicles on the left, some situations allow you to pass on the right. You can pass a vehicle on the right only in the conditions listed below and only if you can pass safely. You cannot drive on or across the shoulder or edge line of the road unless a sign allows it or when indicated by a traffic officer (see Chapter 4). You may pass on the right:

    When a vehicle ahead makes a left turn.

    When you are on a two-way road that is marked for two or more lanes or is wide enough for two or more lanes, and passing is not prohibited by signs or restricted by parked cars or other obstructions.

    When you drive on a one-way road that is marked for two or more lanes or is wide enough for two or more lanes, and passing is not prohibited by signs or restricted by parked cars or other obstructions.

If you prepare to pass on the right at an intersection, check the traffic ahead carefully. Make sure a vehicle that is approaching is not prepared to turn left into your path, and watch at the right side of the road for pedestrians, bicyclists, in-line skaters and moped riders.

Before you pass on the right on multi-lane roads like expressways, make sure you check your mirrors, use the correct signals for the lane change and look over your right shoulder for other vehicles. After you pass, make sure to quickly look over your left shoulder and signal before you return to the left lane.

Hate it when someone gets on the road at an exit and flies into the left lane only to settle in below the speed limit

Find that the right lane is usually empty on 3 lanes (Sprain and Taconic)  no trucks allowed on those roads but buses do show up

Those mini bus drivers will settle in the left lane day after day below the speed limit causing road rage incidents. But the drivers are too stupid to move when flashing lights or horn  Wankers !

Allergies are kickin my butt this week, may take the cage today even tho weather is perfect otherwise

No idea why Adm jumped all over Britman, seems like bad form to me what with the rules of the road (there is an irony there somewhere)

[Alberta Patriot]

Oss- "No idea why Adm jumped all over Britman, seems like bad form to me what with the rules of the road (there is an irony there somewhere)"

I found that interesting as well.
IMHO Britman was exercising frustration and opinion about an on-going issue that seems to infect the minds of certain individuals who "invoke" their moral authority on others no matter where they are, but is repeatedly evident in the left lane of every 4+ lane highway on this continent. It is a very dangerous practice and should be met with severe fines and ultimately suspensions for repeat offenders.
That does not even include the pinheads who have no agenda, but also no idea about the rules of the road.  

I often drive the highway between Calgary and Edmonton(3 hours)...it never fails...at least one or two 'Road Rangers' plying their trade in stupidity, even with repeated large signs to pull over when others want to pass.

[Gryphon Rider]

I often drive the highway between Calgary and Edmonton(3 hours)...it never fails...at least one or two 'Road Rangers' plying their trade in stupidity, even with repeated large signs to pull over when others want to pass.

I wish Alberta would change all their "slower traffic keep right" signs to read "keep right except to pass", then enforce it with expensive fines.  I guarantee you what is going through the minds of the left-lane sitters is I'm not 'slower traffic', I'm doing the speed limit.

When they added a third lane on the right either direction near Crossfield, it amazed me how many people pretended it was wasn't there.  At least I had free sailing in the right lane except for out-of-province RV drivers who correctly thought they should be using the right lane.  Since the third lanes were added north of Airdrie, the right lanes are now actually being used.

[Willow]

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No idea why Adm jumped all over Britman, seems like bad form to me what with the rules of the road (there is an irony there somewhere)

A correction, barrister.  I post as a member.  I remove posts as an administrator.  When I do find it necessary to post as an admin (rarely) I try to be sure the post is identified as such.  Please don't make my participation as a member to be less than your own.

Honestly I don't believe I jumped on Britman.  I did point out that his exaggerated details didn't make sense.  He responded by saying he couldn't care about my observation.  I didn't respond with what I think of his observations.  He did insult me and I returned the favor.    

[f6john]

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No idea why Adm jumped all over Britman, seems like bad form to me what with the rules of the road (there is an irony there somewhere)

A correction, barrister.  I post as a member.  I remove posts as an administrator.  When I do find it necessary to post as an admin (rarely) I try to be sure the post is identified as such.  Please don't make my participation as a member to be less than your own.

Honestly I don't believe I jumped on Britman.  I did point out that his exaggerated details didn't make sense.  He responded by saying he couldn't care about my observation.  I didn't respond with what I think of his observations.  He did insult me and I returned the favor.    

Thanks for that clarification. I do forget that you are not here just to run herd on the rest of us!

[Tx Bohemian]

  I guarantee you what is going through the minds of the left-lane sitters is I'm not 'slower traffic', I'm doing the speed limit

So this brings up a question (at least to me):
If you're going the speed limit (knowing that your speedo is correct) and someone pulls up behind you, doesn't that mean they're speeding and therefor breaking the law?

So which is worse:

the guy driving the speed limit and traveling in the left lane,

or

the guy speeding and thinking the jacka$$ traveling in the left lane needs to pull over?

[Serk]

  I guarantee you what is going through the minds of the left-lane sitters is I'm not 'slower traffic', I'm doing the speed limit

So this brings up a question (at least to me):
If you're going the speed limit (knowing that your speedo is correct) and someone pulls up behind you, doesn't that mean they're speeding and therefor breaking the law?

So which is worse:

the guy driving the speed limit and traveling in the left lane,

or

the guy speeding and thinking the jacka$$ traveling in the left lane needs to pull over?

Actual speed is irrelevant, it's relative speed that matters. It matters not if you're doing 120 in a 55, if there's someone coming up behind you and no one in front of you, move over.

In Texas driving in the left lane while not passing someone and/or impeding the flow of traffic is illegal and can be fined up to $200. Unfortunately, that law is rarely enforced.

A good percentage (Too lazy to google up the actual numbers) of freeway wrecks are caused by differences in speed, not absolute speed.

IMHO going slow in the passing lane, or even going fast in the passing lane but not passing anyone and impeding the flow of traffic requiring other drivers to make dangerous right side passes is far FAR worse than speeding.

[Gryphon Rider]

  I guarantee you what is going through the minds of the left-lane sitters is I'm not 'slower traffic', I'm doing the speed limit

So this brings up a question (at least to me):
If you're going the speed limit (knowing that your speedo is correct) and someone pulls up behind you, doesn't that mean they're speeding and therefor breaking the law?

So which is worse:

the guy driving the speed limit and traveling in the left lane,

or

the guy speeding and thinking the jacka$$ traveling in the left lane needs to pull over?

The worse of the two, assuming the speeder is not driving way over the speed limit, is the left-lane sitter.  He's causing undue delay, causing traffic to be bunched up behind him (never a safe situation), and causing aggravation, which can lead to unsafe driving by the aggravated.  The net effect is a far less safe highway.

[Willow]

  I guarantee you what is going through the minds of the left-lane sitters is I'm not 'slower traffic', I'm doing the speed limit

So this brings up a question (at least to me):
If you're going the speed limit (knowing that your speedo is correct) and someone pulls up behind you, doesn't that mean they're speeding and therefor breaking the law?

So which is worse:

the guy driving the speed limit and traveling in the left lane,

or

the guy speeding and thinking the jacka$$ traveling in the left lane needs to pull over?

My parents used to tell me that two wrongs don't make a right.  If I'm occupying the left lane and someone approaches me from behind my right action is to move right as soon as it is possible.  Correspondingly. if I'm exceeding the PRV and someone passing in the left lane is slowing me down I've really no right to bitch.

Interestingly although two wrongs do not make a right three lefts will.  

[DirtyDan]

A double negative is a positive

Dan

[scooperhsd]

Passing on the right can be done safely - but it would require the driver being passed to maintain travel in the same lane he was traveling in, and all responsibility for safety beyond that should be on the passing driver.

BTW, I WILL pass on either the left OR right lane (or whatever lane I'm in on multilane freeways), with due regard for conditions and safety. I find it to be safer by being predictable to others.

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