Senate Report on CIA Interrogation

[The emperor has no clothes]

Was there torture ? And should we torture ? Myself I think there was torture and I don't think this represents our country positively. I definitely don't think we should pay contractors $80 million to do it.

[Patrick]

Aaahhh, it didn't kill 'em.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Aaahhh, it didn't kill 'em.

?, if they didn't die its not torture ? (If I remember correctly a couple of them did die)

[Six Guns]

I don't have a problem with it. What I have a problem with is that Senator Feinstein put a lot of our people in danger by releasing that report. If any of our people working overseas get killed because of her action, their blood will be on her hands.      As far as I'm concerned, she is a traitor to our country. This report was released because the Democrats wanted it released before the Republicans take over in Jan. 2015. The Republicans would not have released this report. The blood of our patriots will be on Obama's hands as well since HE wanted the report released and he is the head of the Democratic party.

[hubcapsc]

http://ciasavedlives.com/

[MAD6Gun]

 Personally what these animals do to our people (ie. Beheading and such) I have NO problem with what they have do to get information to keep Americans safe. Period....

[Jess Tolbirt]

this stuff has been going on since there were wars..its all part of the game..sorta like when soldiers got kicked out of the helo at 5000 feet to make the officers talk..

[Black Pearl's Captain]

Was there torture ? And should we torture ? Myself I think there was torture and I don't think this represents our country positively. I definitely don't think we should pay contractors $80 million to do it.

Would you like to line up any of your family members and trade their lives for any of the lives lost at the world trade center? Me neither. I seem to remember all those lives lost at the WTC were not active duty soldiers but moms and pops (and some kids) going about a days work.

F' them all, if they didn't follow "Geneva convention rules" engaging us twist their nuts off if it save civilian lives.

[Serk]

I found the timing of the release of the report highly suspicious... The architect of Obamacare that admitted to getting it passed by fraud and based on the stupidity of the American voter was set to testify before congress, and THAT was the day they decided to release this bombshell report?

Highly suspicious...

Pay no attention to the men behind the curtain.

[Spirited-6]

Was there torture ? And should we torture ? Myself I think there was torture and I don't think this represents our country positively. I definitely don't think we should pay contractors $80 million to do it.

WHAT EVER IT TAKES... 

[Patrick]

Hard decisions had to be made on 9/11, we went to war against terror.
I believe there are 'mistakes' made in that report, it appears to be somewhat 'lopsided'. The CIA disputes the report. And, I think it did come out at the wrong time. Well, the wrong time for the good of the country and people overseas. If the democrats think it will help their party, they're grasping at straws.
I happen to believe that good info was obtained, and, no one died.  They are terrorists that would kill your family without blinking an eye. Screw 'em.
I wouldn't bother me if once the info was obtained they were given a lethal dose of lead poisoning. It appears that everyone obama has released has gone back to fighting us.

[Skinhead]

Red To Positive, Black To Negative.....

[old2soon]

For ANY of you bleeding heart liberals-in WHAT galaxy or world do you believe that our enemies will follow the Geneva Convention? Have you already forgotten the photos of our captured pilots from the sandbox war? We have had journalists and aid workers beheaded. Have you forgotten what happened to that British Soldier in I believe London? In that corner(sand box) of the world the terrorists are the devils henchmen. Oh pretty please mister terrorist-tell us when that bomb will go of in that grade school-well if you don't want to tell us that's o k.  RIDE SAFE.

[Jess from VA]

I don't have a problem with it. What I have a problem with is that Senator Feinstein put a lot of our people in danger by releasing that report. If any of our people working overseas get killed because of her action, their blood will be on her hands.      As far as I'm concerned, she is a traitor to our country. This report was released because the Democrats wanted it released before the Republicans take over in Jan. 2015. The Republicans would not have released this report. The blood of our patriots will be on Obama's hands as well since HE wanted the report released and he is the head of the Democratic party.

Agree!!~

Even assuming (without conceding) that some line was crossed or law was broken, this is national security material that should never, ever be made public under any circumstances.  You think the taliban, al qaeda, ISIS doesn't watch TV?  That material like this doesn't directly support their recruitment of more fighters and suicide belt wearers, and their medieval treatment of all their victims..... especially US servicemen or Americans who they capture?  Do you think they distinguish between US contractors and US military?  How does it benefit America or US military members to publicly air disputes about interrogation techniques?  You think this does not affect how terror organizations handle their own OPSEC, COMSEC in trying to ensure that their personnel know as little as possible about their own order of battle, command structure, recruiting, targeting, strategy, operations or how they train their people to resist interrogation?  You think this helps the US in any of their State Department missions throughout the world?  You think this improves the health, welfare and morale of US servicemen who go in harm's way or US military recruitment?

If you believe people violated laws and policy in interrogation, you can investigate and prosecute in closed and secret trials that are not open to the public or press and get justice, if justice is your goal.  Do you think justice and human rights was her motivation or goal?  Really?  

Feinstein is no better (or smarter) than Hanoi Jane.... providing aid and comfort to the enemy in time of war.  She should be held down and waterboarded until she sees the error of her ways..... and then a few more for good measure.   She is a class A idiot (and democratic party stooge).

Historically, the US military follows Hague and Geneva conventions in all it's wars (and built it in as required training from top to bottom in military operations).  Yet we know how the Japanese, North Koreans, Chinese, North Vietnamese (and Russians) did not follow it and what they did to civilians and US military personnel in those wars.  Now we have an apparent neverending war against terror, with those who spit in the face and openly flaunt wartime protocols in their every word and deed.  

So if we can hire civilian contractors to do the dirty work of interrogation, in overseas locations in a grey area of the law, and it saves American fighting men's lives or shortens the war, then lets do it.  But for God's sake we cannot talk about it in any public forum.  But if we cannot shut up about it, then we should never take any prisoners, period.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/12/09/torture-cia-senate-intelligence-report-911-column/20088647/

I do not need to read the report to know that the Democratic staff alone wrote it. The Republicans checked out early when they determined that their counterparts started out with the premise that the CIA was guilty and then worked to prove it.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/12/09/cia-interrogations-report-feinstein-offers-aid-and-comfort-to-enemy-stabs/?intcmp=ob_homepage_opinion&intcmp=obnetwork

[Master Blaster]

I found the timing of the release of the report highly suspicious... The architect of Obamacare that admitted to getting it passed by fraud and based on the stupidity of the American voter was set to testify before congress, and THAT was the day they decided to release this bombshell report?

Highly suspicious...

Pay no attention to the men behind the curtain.

There is that and also the Obamanator cant have it that the info obtained lead to the killing of UBA.  He cant have it that what Bush did had this effect as about the only legacy he has left is that killing.  Instead the Dems and Libitards are still locked into the mantra "Its Bushes fault."

[The emperor has no clothes]

So it seems most agree that torture is ok.

[Serk]

So it seems most agree that torture is ok.

My opinion - As a general rule, no it's not okay. For actual enemy soldiers, no it's not okay. As far as the general world should ever know, no it's not okay.

In extreme, rare, carefully controlled circumstances, such as making sure this never happens again, or in tracking down those who did this, yeah, ya' do whatever it takes.



I do find it sort of ironic that Obama is still spiking the football on the Osama kill, even though that very kill never would have happened without the "enhanced interrogation" techniques he's so much against.

[Moonshot_1]

Is torture ok?

In the normal course of events it is never ok.

But in the course of abnormal events, or faced with opposing a culture that plays by no rules or observes no ethics, then the use of torture should be proportionate to the desired result. To pursue an unethical act to prevent and defend from a fundamentally greater unethical act.

If you have a guy that knows the location and details about an explosive nuclear device in a major US City you first ask nicely, then you don’t.

If they play by the rules of civilized nations we should too.
But they don’t so we shouldn’t tie our hands behind our back.

[specialdose]

       
            18 replies so far and I agree with 15 of them. On a personal level, 2 men kidnap one of my children or grand children. They
          bury them in a box in the woods. The police catch them. All they can do is let them drink coffee and not be allowed to pee
          to obtain where they are. As for me, bring in the top CIA interrogator, it is on. I would imagine the family of the man in the
          picture Serk posted would feel the same way. It is sad, but when dealing with savages, some times you have to stoop to
          their level.

[Trynt]

So it seems most agree that torture is ok.

It is easy to stand on principle when you or yours remain unharmed.

[Black Dog]

18 replies so far and I agree with 15 of them.

Now you agree with 16 

Black Dog

[Black Pearl's Captain]

So it seems most agree that torture is ok.

It is easy to stand on principle when you or yours remain unharmed.

Nailed it Trynt.

[Oss]

Jess I could not have said it better

Until the day I die I wont get those images of people falling to their deaths out of my head

Telling the world what we do to get information from terrorists (not solider of a country at war) to me that is high treason on a level with releasing secrets of the manhattan project

However much a 22 caliber bullet weighs, that amount of justice should go into the brain of whoever is behind releasing that report and it should be fired with impunity by any family member of any of the 3000+ killed that day

and yes I am a registered Democrat sickened by the scum who have taken over the party these many years

[The emperor has no clothes]

Don't you guys think the terrorists know already what we have done as far as enhanced interrogation ? The CIA has redacted any useful info. As far as us doing to them what they have done to us. If we become as barbarous as they it kind of negates the idea that we are superior in are society. And I do believe we are superior.

[Serk]

Don't you guys think the terrorists know already what we have done as far as enhanced interrogation ? The CIA has redacted any useful info. As far as us doing to them what they have done to us. If we become as barbarous as they it kind of negates the idea that we are superior in are society. And I do believe we are superior.

Yes or no, do you believe there is ever any scenario in which torture would be justified?

[Jess Tolbirt]

our torture is not torture as compared to what was done to our guys back in korea and nam.. when the water boarding is over, well then its over and the prisoner is good as new after only a few minutes, but the pain endured buy our soldiers like the burning and the bambo shutes under the nails goes on for a long time,,they cut off our fingers and hands and legs and even the heads and people over here say well thats ok we wont hurt you,,,i say bullshit,, let me interrogate a few of em,,,

[Willow]

What's interesting is what the definition of torture has come to be.  There was a day when being stretched on the rack, having bamboo jammed under one's fingernails, or having one's entrails removed left us with no question as to what torture was.  Today, making someone believe he is about to drown or even denying him of certain human needs or wants gets defined as torture.  Odd, don't you think?

I wonder if it's tortuous for a combatant to die slowly of being gut shot.  I wonder whether it feels painful to lose an arm or leg after being shot by an American soldier.  Perhaps we should put more effort into the rapid development of electric weaponry that will render the enemy instantaneously lifeless without the unnecessary application of painful suffering.

If someone holds information as to how or who is planning to commit terrorist acts upon the people of my country or those of my allies, I personally don't care if they have to drill holes in his brain to extract the information.  

Of course, I really never was a liberal so my views may not be valid.  

[..]

Those dirty, disgusting torturers need to be disciplined for doing such dastardly deeds.

This is what they should have done.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/dec/5/hillary-clinton-empathize-enemies-remark-slammed/#!

And some voters want this woman to run for President.  

The longer I live the clearer it becomes that the devoutly Lib/Dem/Prog has a brain with completely different synapses hence the alternate universe they inhabit.

It sickens me when those who have never served spout nonsense.

Meathead I believe you posted knowing that the majority of the posters on this forum would stand by the "enhanced interrogation" techniques showing once again that you are more of a troll than anything else.

[98valk]

       
            18 replies so far and I agree with 15 of them. On a personal level, 2 men kidnap one of my children or grand children. They
          bury them in a box in the woods. The police catch them. All they can do is let them drink coffee and not be allowed to pee
          to obtain where they are. As for me, bring in the top CIA interrogator, it is on. I would imagine the family of the man in the
          picture Serk posted would feel the same way. It is sad, but when dealing with savages, some times you have to stoop to
          their level.

Dirty Harry knew what to do.

[Patrick]

I think 28 replies adds up to something I heard somewhere sometime about an eye for an eye.

[GeoffreyB]

Deadly serious subject.  They are the enemy.  They want all non-muslims converted or dead.  Traditional warfare tactics don't work, and they sure as hell don't abide by them.  They hope and pray to be martyrs, I say let's help them along that path in the most expedient manner. 

IF we really want to end terrorism we need someone in the White House who'll extol the virtue of personal responsibility and give the offending nations 30 days to correct the situation by their own means, and if not corrected, on day 31 start dropping nukes wherever they hide.  No apologies.

That this dirt-bag currently holding the job of President allowed this inflammatory report that is old news rehashed for political purposes to be published should be considered a traitorous act, and he should be punished appropriately. 

A wise man once said "That's all I've got to say about that".

Scouts Out.

[Chrisj CMA]

It all comes down to what the meaning if it is.  Techniques that leaves no permanent damage is not torture its proper name is enhanced interrogation.  Humiliating someone into talking is not torture.  Taking them up to a high cliff and threatening to throw them off is not torture The Lefties in Washington will do anything to continue to discredit President Bush and all the Heroes and Patriots that have kept us safer that we would have been without this type of interrogation, and no report that says nothing was gained by some intense "counseling" measures is worth the paper its written on.  We got plenty and lives were saved PERIOD.  I am continually ashamed of the liberal military hating lefties in our government that have no balls at all and think if we just treat terrorists nice they all of a sudden like us.

New Flash, they hate us not for what we do but for who we are.  Unless you are willing to join them in action, ideology in every way, they will still want you dead no matter how nice you treat them.

A little water up the nose can go a long way to getting some information, ok....great, they lived, no damage, just scared the crap out of them, good, do it some more, Im all for it if it saved even one life (and it did!)

I just very much disagree with talking about these things.  They should stay classified and whoever said the word treason in association with publicizing this report, RIGHT ON.  that should be a criminal act she/they should be impeached and imprisoned for it, the fact that its ok for them to release information that may get an American killed is shameful

Dont we have important things to work on in Washington.............

[..]

Why is Kerry asking for ground troops to be deployed?

Isn't it the Secretary of Defense that should be asking?

OR

Is it a way for the liar in chief to be absolved from any blame when boots on the ground and firing weapons happens???

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/kerry-asks-congress-not-to-bar-ground-troops-in-syria-and-iraq/2014/12/09/791fc43c-7fec-11e4-8882-03cf08410beb_story.html

[..]

Some recent GITMO occupants have been released to Uruguay.

It's going to be sooooooooooooooooo difficult for them to use trains to get to the US southern border.

Another example of the liar in chiefs governemnt acting against the best interests of this country.

[czuch]

Use your enemie's tactics against him when ever you can.
Q-Ball English lessons, waterboarding, helo walk flight lessons, If even only ONE American life is saved,
its all worth it.
(Theres a littlle lib lingo there, for ya.)
No enhanced interrogation, no prisoners. There, fixed it.

[czuch]

Oh yea,
I told the girls in my life to show as much compassion and concern for the safety of anyone attacking them, as they have for you.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Don't you guys think the terrorists know already what we have done as far as enhanced interrogation ? The CIA has redacted any useful info. As far as us doing to them what they have done to us. If we become as barbarous as they it kind of negates the idea that we are superior in are society. And I do believe we are superior.

Yes or no, do you believe there is ever any scenario in which torture would be justified?

yes

[Serk]

Don't you guys think the terrorists know already what we have done as far as enhanced interrogation ? The CIA has redacted any useful info. As far as us doing to them what they have done to us. If we become as barbarous as they it kind of negates the idea that we are superior in are society. And I do believe we are superior.

Yes or no, do you believe there is ever any scenario in which torture would be justified?

yes

Good. We're in agreement then.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Those dirty, disgusting torturers need to be disciplined for doing such dastardly deeds.

This is what they should have done.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/dec/5/hillary-clinton-empathize-enemies-remark-slammed/#!

And some voters want this woman to run for President.  

The longer I live the clearer it becomes that the devoutly Lib/Dem/Prog has a brain with completely different synapses hence the alternate universe they inhabit.

It sickens me when those who have never served spout nonsense.

Meathead I believe you posted knowing that the majority of the posters on this forum would stand by the "enhanced interrogation" techniques showing once again that you are more of a troll than anything else.

Britman, you no more know me than I know you. I posted this because I thought it was an interesting current event that gets at the core of our society. I did suspect that most here have different opinions on the matter than me, but I try to learn from others thoughts. What you think of me is fine with me. Maybe one day we'll get to meet and you'll think of me a little better.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Deadly serious subject.  They are the enemy.  They want all non-muslims converted or dead.  Traditional warfare tactics don't work, and they sure as hell don't abide by them.  They hope and pray to be martyrs, I say let's help them along that path in the most expedient manner. 

IF we really want to end terrorism we need someone in the White House who'll extol the virtue of personal responsibility and give the offending nations 30 days to correct the situation by their own means, and if not corrected, on day 31 start dropping nukes wherever they hide.  No apologies.

That this dirt-bag currently holding the job of President allowed this inflammatory report that is old news rehashed for political purposes to be published should be considered a traitorous act, and he should be punished appropriately. 

A wise man once said "That's all I've got to say about that".

Scouts Out.

Which nations would you suggest we nuke ? There are terrorists in just about all countries. Nuclear weapons and nuclear fallout is not very precise.