Gun Control

[BigAlOfMD]

”Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars.”

[Chrisj CMA]

You assume the government is concerned with our safety

[Crackerborn]

Sounds like SOP to me. 

[old2soon]

The gubmint ain't here to help anybody BUT themselves. They prove THAT most everyday. They want the weapons out of law abiding citizens hands. Course THEY keep on FORGETTING that the criminals are NOT about to apply for weapons permits and where needed-permission to purchase ammo.  Be so much EASIER if our politicians not ONLY read the Constitution BUT actually BELIEVED it and FOLLOWED the laws laid out in it. AND reminded the sorry assed sumbitches of THE most important aspect of gubmint service-They WORK for US at our behest!  Vote the worthless sumbitches out. RIDE SAFE.

[..]

The gubmint ain't here to help anybody BUT themselves. They prove THAT most everyday. They want the weapons out of law abiding citizens hands. Course THEY keep on FORGETTING that the criminals are NOT about to apply for weapons permits and where needed-permission to purchase ammo.   Be so much EASIER if our politicians not ONLY read the Constitution BUT actually BELIEVED it and FOLLOWED the laws laid out in it. AND reminded the sorry assed sumbitches of THE most important aspect of gubmint service-They WORK for US at our behest!   Vote the worthless sumbitches out. RIDE SAFE.

Gun control is simple, Quit making ammo, thats easy. Far as people in the gov working in our best interest, think again!!

Outlawing ammo is as effective as outlawing firearms.

Those that want it will make it.

[bentwrench]

If they stopped selling us ammo tomorow it would be an inconvience but I would still be loading.Not to mention melting wheel wieghts and batteries for bullits.

[Gavin_Sons]

If they stopped selling us ammo tomorow it would be an inconvience but I would still be loading.Not to mention melting wheel wieghts and batteries for bullits.

  I have unlimited access to lead at work. They come in 2500 lb hogs. That would make a crap load of bullets.

[..]

Just off the top of my head, let say they did take the ammo away. Do you seriously think they will still sell or make the components available to us, so we could make our ammo. Think again, I know those people are mindless, but they are not stupid.  Lets just say primers, no primers, back to flint lock and blowing our faces off.  I'm just thinking out loud!!!! So the plan would be is to stash ammo and tell no one you have it.

 I can assure you that no one on this forum has been stockpiling munitions. 

[RDAbull]

I was but I lost all of the stash in the boating accident.  Guns too!

[Jess from VA]

There is no Constitutional question whatsoever that the 2d Amend is equally applicable to ammunition as it is to all small arms (requiring that ammunition).

Although I can easily see Eric Holder at the bar of the Supreme Court arguing that our founding fathers absolutely intended for free men to have the uninfringed right to keep and bear unloaded arms.  (and three of four of the cretins nodding their heads in approval)

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

Having lead is long way from making ammo unfortunately. Making your own primers would be pretty tough. Making black powder would be doable I imagine, modern smokeless powder, not so much. Lead in its self is not enough to make bullets. Pure lead is only good for muzzleloader bullets and maybe some super slow handgun rounds. For modern cartridges lead needs to have the right amount of antimony and tin. Otherwise, it's too soft and strips off in the rifling creating a lead fouled bore which is really tough to clean and make accurate again.

Lead wheel weights have almost the perfect amount of additives to make good pistol bullets. Printers lead can be mixed into pure lead or wheel weight lead to make it harder and better able to withstand high velocities. This will cover you through 44 mag velocities for the most part. If you're stepping up to .454, .460 S&W, some 45/70 and the like you'll need to add "gas checks" to those hard bullets. That still doesn't get you up to 30.06/.308 velocities.

On top of that the EPA put the last remaining US lead plant our of business last year I think.

I'd had 8lbs of H110 back-ordered for at least a year. That's a suitable powder for magnum handgun rounds and the .450 bushmaster among others. I got a call that it was in but would cost me $180 plus shipping. I thought that was too steep and I passed it up. A few hours later the news of this new ammo ban came out. Wish I'd spent the $$$$$ now.

[Bighead]

Gun control means using both hands

[old2soon]

Didn't hitler and mussolini and stalin disarm the populace while they were in power? Be easier fer the chinese and the mooslims to take us over if the average Joe ain't armed. Far too many outfits people religions special interest groups and liberals that want us disarmed-READ-powerless. A True Patriot with a weapon AND knowing HOW to use that weapon scare the snot/crap/peepee/wind/beJesus-you know-out of them!  As well it should.  THAT is the WHY of them NOT getting our weapons. BUT the "special interest groups" want the weapons and ammo to cut their losses. RIDE SAFE.

[old2soon]

When I did my firearms course here in Missouri I passed. When I purchased my weapon of choice they did an F B I back round check I passed. When I took ALL my paper work to the County Sheriffs Office-they provide the plastic that is my C C W permit-I passed. When the Sheriffs office called me and informed me my C C W piece of plastic was ready to pick up I drove down and got it. I asked the Lady that was processing me how many folks failed the checks they put me thru? 20 to 25% DO NOT pass the mandatory back round checks according to the lady that did my paperwork. But she is NOT surprised that these very same people show up in the lock up again and again over and over and a lot of them on ILLEGAL weapons charges. The criminals could care less about ANY laws that are passed concerning anything they do. My idiotic ex b I l STILL wants to know-EVEN after I splained to him-WHY I need MORE than 4 or 5 rounds in my weapon!  AND as an aside my ex b I l NEVER wore a Uniform.  RIDE SAFE.

[Jess from VA]

Brother in law.

The G does not care about criminals (prisons are big business), they worry about the (well armed and well trained) lifetime, law abiding, veteran, law and order, tea party, anti-socialist, fiscally responsible, voice of reason people finally getting upset enough about their wreck-the-county-bullshit to start hunting their scalps.  

They should worry.  

[The emperor has no clothes]

what is ex B I. go PM!!

I think he is referring to his ex brother in law.

[MarkT]

I have not seen the NRA or the GOA or RMGO freaking out about the latest grab, this time on ammo.  I hope that implies their position that zero has a snowball's chance in hell of pushing that through.

[Bighead]

You know what scares the crap out of me!! The News every morning.  I live North of Detroit and  nearly every day they find dead bodies with bullet holes in them. That just what they need to shut down this party of gun owners.
See, I use to think that I was a Liberal, see, because Political Parties didn't crap to me. I was only interested in what was right and for the good of the working people.  And that what I thought Liberals did. After a while with the help of the people on this board, I realize that I was Independent and not Liberal. Thank Goodness!! I realized that most of the people that I have talked to who claim to be Liberal, don't own, or understand, ever fired, and think that guns are pure evil. And they are not willing to understand, that the crimes that happen in Detroit, where guns are involved, those firearms are not registered. And I got a theory why.

all of those bodies found with holes in them were committed by guns in the hands of the wrong people it has nothing to do with them being registered at all. I am a law abiding citizen and have several firearms that are not registered. Am I a criminal for this? HELL NO. They were bought way before any registration or paperwork for that matter was done. The Government has no need to know what I have in the way of firearms or ammunition.     

[Jess from VA]

Only six states and the District of Columbia require registration of some or all firearms.

AL has never had gun registration. (though I cannot be certain of old Jim Crow laws)

Filling out a yellow federal firearm purchase form 4473 on a new gun purchase is not gun registration.

NFA (National Firearms Act) does have essential registration requirements for full autos, suppressors, short bbl rifles (under 16") and shotguns (under 18").  Along with a $200 tax on each.

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NOT FACT CHECKED

States that Require Registration of All Firearms
District of Columbia
Hawaii

States that Require Registration of Handguns
New York

States that Require New Residents to Report Their Firearms
California
Maryland (handguns and *assault weapons)

States that Require Registration of Pre-Ban Assault Weapons or 50 Caliber Rifles  (*this is the politically correct liars definition of assault weapons, incorrectly including semi auto evil looking ARs and such)
California (*assault weapons and 50 caliber rifles)
Connecticut (*assault weapons and large capacity magazines)
Hawaii  (*assault pistols)
Maryland  (*assault pistols)
New Jersey (*assault weapons)
New York (*assault weapons)

States that Prohibit Registries of Firearms
Delaware
Florida
Georgia
Idaho
Pennsylvania
Rhode Island
South Dakota
Vermont

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

Only six states and the District of Columbia require registration of some or all firearms.

AL has never had gun registration. (though I cannot be certain of old Jim Crow laws)

Filling out a yellow federal firearm purchase form 4473 on a new gun purchase is not gun registration.

NFA (National Firearms Act) does have essential registration requirements for full autos, suppressors, short bbl rifles (under 16") and shotguns (under 18").  Along with a $200 tax on each.

____________________________________
NOT FACT CHECKED

States that Require Registration of All Firearms
District of Columbia
Hawaii

States that Require Registration of Handguns
New York

States that Require New Residents to Report Their Firearms
California
Maryland (handguns and *assault weapons)

States that Require Registration of Pre-Ban Assault Weapons or 50 Caliber Rifles  (*this is the politically correct liars definition of assault weapons, incorrectly including semi auto evil looking ARs and such)
California (*assault weapons and 50 caliber rifles)
Connecticut (*assault weapons and large capacity magazines)
Hawaii  (*assault pistols)
Maryland  (*assault pistols)
New Jersey (*assault weapons)
New York (*assault weapons)

States that Prohibit Registries of Firearms
Delaware
Florida
Georgia
Idaho
Pennsylvania
Rhode Island
South Dakota
Vermont

Exactly. When you buy a firearm from a dealer in one of the free states you fill out the form and the dealer calls in a nics check on the buyer using the info from the form. Nics is informed as to the type of firearm, but not the make, model or serial number. They check to make sure you can legally own a firearm. The info on make, model and serial number stays with the dealer for a minimum of 20 years. In the free states, gun registration is a myth. It doesn't exist. With the exception of the NFA items Jess mentioned. It's important for people to realize this. Otherwise they will not vote to support a privacy they don't realize they have.

The 2nd Amendment is not about hunting, it's about making sure "We The People" always have the ability to protect ourselves from a tyrannical government just as our Founders did. All the other benefits of firearms ownership are just icing on the cake.

Firearms registration would at least partially negate the purpose of the 2nd Amendment, hence we are rightfully protected from it. As long as we have the 2nd Amendment we are virtually guaranteed to never need it. If we lose our 2nd Amendment rights we are virtually guaranteed to need those rights. History has shown over and over what happens to a disarmed people.

On top of that, American Citizens are with out doubt the largest armed group on the face of the earth. That is why the UN and so many other countries are constantly attacking our freedom. What would their plans be if we citizens were disarmed? Let's hope we never have to find out.

Sorry for the soap box but this is an issue near and dear to my heart. I personally believe America can recover from virtually any error as long as our freedom of speech and our freedom to be armed remain intact. If we lose either of those, our nation, our freedom and our people are doomed to fall into darkness. That's why, I always vote the 2nd Amendment first.

[Black Pearl's Captain]

Jess I think you'll need to include cities in the register list too. I know if you buy a gun in Las Vegas you have to take it to the PD and register the gun. I traveled there a bunch and saw lots of good gun sales but never bought one because of the law.

[Jess from VA]

My sources did not include cities, but I think you are right.

Chicago, NYC for sure, but I would really be surprised by Las Vegas (though that is Harry Reid territory)

Nevada state law does not require the registration of firearms. However, handgun owners in Clark County must register (at no charge) their concealable firearms (essentially any firearm with a barrel 12" or less) at a law enforcement agency within an incorporated city of Clark County (this registration is informally called the 'Blue Card'). The ordinance provides a period of at least 60 days of residency in the county before registration of such a firearm is required, and a period of at least 72 hours for the registration of a pistol by a resident of the county upon transfer of title to the pistol to the resident by purchase, gift or any other transfer.  Clark County Ordinance 12.04.110  Includes Las Vegas



An FFL seller could sell you a new handgun, but it would have to be shipped at your cost to an FFL in your state (and you'd need to have that already set up in advance), and you could buy any long gun and just take it home.  I think you could not get in trouble with not registering a new handgun purchase in Clark county since it would have to go FFL to FFL straight to your state, and you are not a Clark County resident.  Any private sale and take it home would also work.