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RP#62
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« on: March 18, 2015, 04:49:10 PM »

I was reading an article in AVweb, an aviation publication titled "The Ten Biggest Lies About Piston Aircraft Engines", when low and behold, there was an section about oil.  This doesn't directly apply to motorcycle applications, but I thought it was interesting none the less. The whole article can be found at http://www.avweb.com/news/maint/182849-1.html?redirected=1
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Lie #3:
Modern multi-viscosity oil offers superior lubrication and longer engine life than old-fashioned single-weight oil.

During the 70s and 80s, there was a dramatic shift from single-weight to multi-viscosity oils by operators of general aviation aircraft...due in large measure to very effective advertising campaigns by Shell and Mobil that touted their multi-vis products (Aeroshell 15W50 and Mobil AV 1) as the greatest aeronautical innovation since the nosewheel.

During the same 20-year period, there was a dramatic increase in premature engine problems in the owner-flown G.A. fleet. It was not a coincidence.

In contrast to "working airplanes" that fly almost every day, most owner-flown airplanes spend most of their lives in the chocks. The biggest enemy of their engines is not inadequate lubrication. It's rust.

Multi-vis oil simply does not provide as effective protection against rust as single-weight oil. The defining characteristic of multi-viscosity oil — the fact that it doesn't thicken up at cool temperatures — makes it a lousy corrosion inhibitor. During periods of disuse, multi-vis oil strips off cylinder walls and cam lobes much more readily than does thick single-weight oil, leaving those parts vulnerable to corrosion, followed by spalling and eventually destruction.

But what about the superior lubricating properties of multi-vis oil? Basically bunk!

It turns out that multi-vis oil is not a better lubricant than single-grade oil. It's actually a bit worse. The reason is that multi-vis oil is made by starting with a thin, single-weight oil stock and adding man-made polymers called "Viscosity Index improvers" that increase viscosity as temperature increases. However, such VI improvers are not lubricants, and their addition actually displaces a certain amount of lubricating base stock (on the order of 10%). In other words, there's more "oil" in a quart of single-weight oil than in a quart of multi-vis.

Now this is no big deal, since the lubrication demands of most piston aircraft engines are rather modest (compared to automobile engines, for example). What is a big deal is the fact that single-weight oil does a better job of protecting engines against rust during period of disuse. That's why we've long recommend single-weight oil for any engine that doesn't fly at least once a week.

Fortunately, after two decades of multi-vis mania, it now appears that more and more G.A. operators are starting to recognize the shortcomings of multi-vis oil and are switching back to single-weight. An increasing number of top-rated overhaul shops are now recommending the use of single-weight oil.
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Patrick
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« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2015, 04:59:42 PM »

True. From what everyone [ including me] at our local [ and well known] aero engine shop is as mentioned.
Their recommendation to use single grade never really wavered. I tried 15-50 for cold weather use for a very short period of time 10 or 15 years ago, oil pressure built just as quickly with single grade.
The only other thing I can say is that I think there is a big difference in oils from water to air cooled.
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Big Al of Tennessee
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« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2015, 05:57:09 PM »

My Uncles 350 Chevy Van that ran exclusively on 50W Kendall Racing Oil,

looked like new money when rebuilt at 150,000 miles.

Broke the glaze in the cylinders and rebuilt it from that point.

I run 30 weight in my riding tractor mower, it sits a lot.

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« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2015, 06:01:43 PM »

AEROSHELL stayed in my Sportster better than 50 weight Harley oil

It the Aeroshell was 50W but 100 Grade. Whatever 100 grade is.

It foamed less in the oil tank, was in there longer.

But they tell me that Air Plane Oil is non-detergent as well.

That may be why it rusts things up, it being non detergent, not suspending the dirt in the oil

could be the rust culprit.
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« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2015, 06:44:17 PM »


That may be why it rusts things up, it being non detergent, not suspending the dirt in the oil

could be the rust culprit.

Uh......you may want to re-think that!!
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« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2015, 09:05:28 PM »

I never do this (and ride all winter, though much less), but it would seem for those who decide to change oil and let it sit for 6 months, putting in straight 30wt (at significant savings) would be a good idea.  Then change to your multi-grade for the riding season?   
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« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2015, 06:18:33 AM »

AEROSHELL stayed in my Sportster better than 50 weight Harley oil

It the Aeroshell was 50W but 100 Grade. Whatever 100 grade is.

It foamed less in the oil tank, was in there longer.

But they tell me that Air Plane Oil is non-detergent as well.

That may be why it rusts things up, it being non detergent, not suspending the dirt in the oil

could be the rust culprit.





Aeroshell comes in non-detergent [mineral] and detergent [ dispersant]. Aeroshell is a good oil, I think the best air-cooled.
I tried their 15-50 for a short while but went back [ as most folks] to 80 [40w] for cold weather and 100 [50w] for summer. Engines run well beyond TBO.
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