Willow
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Excessive comfort breeds weakness. PttP
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« on: April 28, 2015, 10:00:43 AM » |
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After some discussion the VRCC staff has come to an agreement that Al of Tennessee has repeatedly demonstrated an unwillingness to be a positive contribution to the VRCC community. His posting privileges have been terminated.
If you need someone to blame I will take the responsibility. I was the staff member who brought up the subject. For what it worth, Al had removed himself multiple times and on occasion I helped him figure out how to get himself back on the board. I had hoped the interaction would be something different than it has turned out to be.
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Patrick
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« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2015, 10:30:43 AM » |
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I thinks its too bad it had to come to that.
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MP
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« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2015, 10:36:06 AM » |
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I thought his last number of posts were positive. But, maybe you removed the bad ones before I got to see them. Too bad.
MP
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« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2015, 10:43:21 AM » |
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Is he the same as Big Al from Tn?
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Willow
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« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2015, 11:02:31 AM » |
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Is he the same as Big Al from Tn?
He used that display name. |
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« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2015, 11:16:28 AM » |
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« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2015, 12:56:44 PM » |
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i musta missed something,,,
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« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2015, 01:30:04 PM » |
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I'll bet a beer he'll be back under an alias. And I'll have to block that one too.
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« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2015, 01:44:43 PM » |
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Al gone again?
Someone say something bad about Harleys again?
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« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2015, 04:44:31 PM » |
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I liked him ? Always a good read ....oh well
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« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2015, 05:09:19 PM » |
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Some thing he said perhaps?  |
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Tailgate Tommy
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« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2015, 05:13:18 PM » |
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To bad, but someone has to be the adult every now and then.
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bill-jr
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« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2015, 06:21:09 PM » |
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Ban someone for there points of view and beliefs ??is being adult like ? I guess I'm just a child that likes to read differing options from opposing adults? Hey I like Valkyries but that doesn't mean I have to like you ?fact is some here I down right just can't stand to see ....hopefully I will not get banned for Voicing my opinion? oh well? And on a lighter note if I decide to get drunk hey it is what it is ? If I puke hell I'm just making some room ...  Al just liked to see who's not thick skinned ? Guess to many here .... Ruffle some feathers and get the boot boy oh boy ..... I better walk the line !!!!! |
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« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2015, 06:45:06 PM » |
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Overall (and for many years), it seems to me the (official) VRCC acts with great restraint and allows wide latitude with very little interference in member's postings. Rules against personal threats, attacks and naked pictures do not seem unreasonable at all. I am glad they provide us with this forum to enjoy as a community and an annual bike rally. Keeping the peace (or good order and discipline) here is everyone's responsibility, but ultimately falls to the leadership. There is a difference between carrying on a hearty or even heated debate, and poking member's in the eye. And it is a Valkyrie forum, though we talk about other things.
That's all I have to say about that.
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« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2015, 06:49:52 PM » |
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I think Big Al made some valid points along the way, but sometimes in too much of an argumentive or 'stir the pot' sort of way.
Either way, if I no longer owned something I was on a forum about, I would probably not be posting much at all since no longer have an interest in it.
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« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2015, 07:07:20 PM » |
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I have always liked Al, hate to see him kicked out. I know words mean something but I think all of Al's were just BS. He liked to stir _ _it.
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« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2015, 07:18:03 PM » |
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I like Al.
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T-Bird
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« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2015, 10:08:33 PM » |
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Sad to read this. Big Al is a good friend of mine and I will miss his posts.
He is a great guy and very intelligent to talk to one on one...unfortunately he is just misunderstood by some.
BTW...Since I have been ill, Big Al calls or texts me all the time to check on me
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« Reply #18 on: April 29, 2015, 03:11:33 AM » |
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Sad to read this. Big Al is a good friend of mine and I will miss his posts.
He is a great guy and very intelligent to talk to one on one...unfortunately he is just misunderstood by some.
BTW...Since I have been ill, Big Al calls or texts me all the time to check on me
T-Bird
Glad to see a post from you. I hope you are doing well and gettin' better.  I didn't really see what was wrong, maybe I missed something. Didn't seem anymore argumentative than some other posts or threads. |
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« Reply #19 on: April 29, 2015, 05:34:40 AM » |
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I normally read Big Al's post. I haven't seen anything that I thought was reason to kick him off the board. Been on this board for a few years it doesn't take long to decide who's post I want to avoid.
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rainman
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« Reply #20 on: April 29, 2015, 06:46:27 AM » |
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Ban someone for there points of view and beliefs ??is being adult like ? I guess I'm just a child that likes to read differing options from opposing adults? Hey I like Valkyries but that doesn't mean I have to like you ?fact is some here I down right just can't stand to see ....hopefully I will not get banned for Voicing my opinion? oh well? And on a lighter note if I decide to get drunk hey it is what it is ? If I puke hell I'm just making some room ... Al just liked to see who's not thick skinned ? Guess to many here .... Ruffle some feathers and get the boot boy oh boy ..... I better walk the line !!!!! I agree with you bill ( Ban someone for there points of view and beliefs ) . If that is the case then why isn't half of the member ship booted off?? sounds like there is something else going on under the table. this is the Valkyrie Riders Cruiser Club not the Valkyrie Riders Cruiser Club CNN OR CNBC news room. I have read back through the 20 or more post and have seen nothing that was posted or said that caused this action to be taken. no more that some of the other post. going to miss you Big AL |
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« Reply #21 on: April 29, 2015, 07:25:27 AM » |
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I normally read Big Al's post. I haven't seen anything that I thought was reason to kick him off the board. Been on this board for a few years it doesn't take long to decide who's post I want to avoid.
+1 There are others I find more offensive than Big Al |
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« Reply #22 on: April 29, 2015, 07:35:08 AM » |
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Sad to read this. Big Al is a good friend of mine and I will miss his posts.
He is a great guy and very intelligent to talk to one on one...unfortunately he is just misunderstood by some.
BTW...Since I have been ill, Big Al calls or texts me all the time to check on me
T-Bird
Yeppers, 'at's my Bro Big Al in a "nut shell" (so to speak)! Gonna miss baitin' ya Big Al! Vaya Con Dios Broham! |
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« Reply #23 on: April 29, 2015, 07:51:22 AM » |
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BOTTEM LINE. when you drink and post not a good thing. Al will say what he thinks when he has a FEW drinks. He know it will get him in deep crap but what the hell, what are they going to do to me I still surface again some where down the line under what ever 'name' Al I love your style !!! |
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Willow
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« Reply #24 on: April 29, 2015, 08:09:20 AM » |
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I appreciate your perspectives.
Not all the staff members would necessarily give you the same reasons, but all agreed that Al had "worn out his welcome."
What I have noticed is that people who know Al personally are excepting of what he has to say and his constant inclination to "stir the pot". What I have to consider is that we have hundreds (thousands) of reader who have not met Al.
An exercise that some of you will not be able to experience is spending just a few months monitoring a message board with the intention of heading off trends that will chase away marginal users. I have a friend (it's spelled with the i before the e) that used to comment that he'd never met a VRCC member that he didn't like. After monitoring the board for awhile I could not join him in that perspective. By the way, anyone that thinks anyone has been removed simply because I don't like someone is incorrect. the list is much too long for that to happen. LOL!
I like Al. I personally don't like how Al has chosen to be. For some insight into who I don't particularly care for, I have no patience for disrespect or for people who are self absorbed, full of themselves.
Once more, I appreciate your perspectives and I do understand that not everyone (almost no one?) will agree with the tough decisions that need to be made to try to maintain the health of the VRCC community.
By the way, in the recent past Al did not drink and post. Al has been away from drink for almost two years now. He is to be admired for that decision and for the success of actuating that decision.
See you all in Spearfish.
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« Reply #25 on: April 29, 2015, 08:30:47 AM » |
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Tuff decision.
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MP
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« Reply #26 on: April 29, 2015, 08:34:00 AM » |
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I doubt Al was kicked off for his views.
I am rather sure it was HOW he expressed them.
I too, congratulate Al for being on the wagon for almost two years. Good Work, Al.
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« Reply #27 on: April 29, 2015, 08:40:26 AM » |
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people who know Al personally are excepting of what he has to say I think we're accepting -Mike
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Willow
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« Reply #28 on: April 29, 2015, 08:46:26 AM » |
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people who know Al personally are excepting of what he has to say I think we're accepting -Mike LOL! It was an interesting typo, was it not? Honestly I think it stands even with or maybe especially with that spelling. |
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« Reply #29 on: April 29, 2015, 11:28:52 AM » |
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We have gained and lost many members thru the years
Some move on when they sell as no longer seeing the relevance
Others get themselves flustered and leave
Others the Lord called back and we have just their memories Those hurt the most
Al, well Al has come and gone a whole bunch
He was there for me when i needed help once and I appreciated that help
freely given, and paid back immediately that day
I know we will cross paths again and look forward to that day
Sorry to see he pushed the envelope too far
But the VRCC is not owned by us
It required we follow the rules of the sandbox if we wish to remain
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« Reply #30 on: April 29, 2015, 04:58:41 PM » |
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I am one of my those "marginal" users that was put off by Al. Although many found him entertaining, I found him to be insecure, insensitive, with an insatiable need to be heard. I am guessing he got his fair share of ass kicking as a kid well into adulthood. I am a firm believer in free speech, but he has been given a wide berth on this site to the point of abuse
. His rant regarding the Koran a few years back was over the top, and led to my limited participation on this board. I think Willows decision to part ways with this clown gave new credence to this board.
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« Reply #31 on: April 29, 2015, 05:21:18 PM » |
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I enjoyed Al's post and I usually don't like poems but his I liked.
just didn't care for his putting down honda and our bikes.
didn't he own a valkyrie at one time and went back to a HD?
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« Reply #32 on: April 29, 2015, 09:39:08 PM » |
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hey he is Harley guy on a valk site
expect some flack
I get plenty from the Harley guys
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MP
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« Reply #33 on: April 30, 2015, 03:41:26 AM » |
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hey he is Harley guy on a valk site
expect some flack
I get plenty from the Harley guys
dan
Hey, Dan, good to hear from you. It is true he now has a Harley. But, he owned a Valkyrie for quite a while. I have ridden with Al in Maggie Valley at VOAI Reunion one year. At that time he was still drinking quite heavy. I liked him sober. Drinking, not so much. We have always told members that they are free to hang around if they sell the Valk. Al, at times, has abused that. LOL MP |
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« Reply #34 on: April 30, 2015, 05:12:20 AM » |
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Anybody that cries and says he is leaving should not be allowed back on the board in the first place but I will not challenge any of our staff in their decisions. The majority have been very good. I didn't block his post but chose to mentally skip past them.
Now, lets talk InZane!
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« Reply #35 on: April 30, 2015, 05:19:12 AM » |
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with out a couple of us harley guys on here to rib you guys every now and then, this place is gonna get boring..
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« Reply #36 on: April 30, 2015, 06:19:26 AM » |
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with out a couple of us harley guys on here to rib you guys every now and then, this place is gonna get boring..
There are some great folks on this board that are HD riders. They are also great contributors to this club and board. Thanks for hanging around. |
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« Reply #37 on: April 30, 2015, 06:27:08 AM » |
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with out a couple of us harley guys on here to rib you guys every now and then, this place is gonna get boring..
There are some great folks on this board that are HD riders. They are also great contributors to this club and board. Thanks for hanging around. this place has always been like a home to me.. even through my kawasaki and shadow years,, my son in laws house burned down a few years back and we got a ton of donations from the folks here,, the only reason i go to the harley forums is to get advice on the bike itself,, when it comes to socializing, its all done here... |
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« Reply #38 on: April 30, 2015, 06:27:55 AM » |
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Jeez Louise, since I'm selling my Valkyrie Monday for a DOLLAR to my son, and all I have left is a Harley Davidson now will I be in jeopardy?
Guess I'll have to watch whose toes I step on.
Have a great day and a better weekend.
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« Reply #39 on: April 30, 2015, 06:30:29 AM » |
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nah RJ,, i believe we are safe..
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