WHAT THE HELL!! COP shoots up his own cruiser

[T.P.]

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/09/03/millis-schools-closed-search-for-gunman-continues/klAbg7ZWjllqkvfn668tVN/story.html

[The emperor has no clothes]

Don't they give these guys a psychological test before hiring them ?

[Jersey mike]

and it's worse than pulling teeth to get a CC license or even a purchase permit in so many places.

[98valk]

is it a white cop shooting a black police car?
or

 a black cop shooting a white police car?

[Jess from VA]

Ballistics being what they are, how you could you expect this to work out for you?

There's got to be a good backstory on WHY he shoots his car up.

Doubtful because he disliked the car.     (Man, why didn't I get the Charger?)

[mrtappan]

Back when I was a cop here, in the good old land of low education and high teenage pregnancy, that wasn't unusual.  We had one guy shoot through the floorboard of his own vehicle, one guy shoot through the door of his cruiser, and one guy shoot through the palm of his hand breaking down his Glock for cleaning.  I don't know about elsewhere, but here only a "high school diploma and no felonies" was required.  Trust me, a public high school diploma in Mississippi isn't really anything to brag about......

[Hooter]

This guy isn't even a police officer, and  shouldn't even have been in a cruiser alone. According to the article he ISN'T a certified police officer. I don't even understand how they can even call him a part time patrolman? Administration should be the ones with the ass's in a crack. Distracted driving possibility and lost control. Tried to cover his own ass by coming up with a dramatic story to do so.

[Willow]

Well, that's it!  We're just going to have to move forward with getting those dangerous firearms out of the hands of those law enforcement personnel.  It's the only way we're going to arrive at a safer society. 

 

[T.P.]

Todays update.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/09/04/massachusetts-police-officer-fired-after-fabricating-shooting-incident/?intcmp=hplnws

[NW roller]

To answer a question asked earlier in this post most police agencies make you take a test for mental eval. The guy was a PART TIME COP. I don't agree with part time cops or reserve police officers. May make a few folks mad I don't agree with volunteer fireman. I have seen them destroy more things just to try out their new shiny toys that they do not get to play with on a regular basis like a paid professional fireman. Same goes for Cops. The part time guys and reserves escalate crap just so they can try and get into something. I am a professional Law enforcement officer I put on my badge and gun and go to work every day. What I see in a months time they may never see in the whole time they are a Part time or reserve police officer. I will leave with this would you have a Part Time doctor do your operation or one that was in the operating room yesterday. Sounds far fetched but life is held in the balance in both professions.     

[Spirited-6]

To answer a question asked earlier in this post most police agencies make you take a test for mental eval. The guy was a PART TIME COP. I don't agree with part time cops or reserve police officers. May make a few folks mad I don't agree with volunteer fireman. I have seen them destroy more things just to try out their new shiny toys that they do not get to play with on a regular basis like a paid professional fireman. Same goes for Cops. The part time guys and reserves escalate crap just so they can try and get into something. I am a professional Law enforcement officer I put on my badge and gun and go to work every day. What I see in a months time they may never see in the whole time they are a Part time or reserve police officer. I will leave with this would you have a Part Time doctor do your operation or one that was in the operating room yesterday. Sounds far fetched but life is held in the balance in both professions.     

Amen  to you . Wish we had more of you . 

[The emperor has no clothes]

To answer a question asked earlier in this post most police agencies make you take a test for mental eval. The guy was a PART TIME COP. I don't agree with part time cops or reserve police officers. May make a few folks mad I don't agree with volunteer fireman. I have seen them destroy more things just to try out their new shiny toys that they do not get to play with on a regular basis like a paid professional fireman. Same goes for Cops. The part time guys and reserves escalate crap just so they can try and get into something. I am a professional Law enforcement officer I put on my badge and gun and go to work every day. What I see in a months time they may never see in the whole time they are a Part time or reserve police officer. I will leave with this would you have a Part Time doctor do your operation or one that was in the operating room yesterday. Sounds far fetched but life is held in the balance in both professions.     

Sounds pretty reasonable to me. 

[MP]

To answer a question asked earlier in this post most police agencies make you take a test for mental eval. The guy was a PART TIME COP. I don't agree with part time cops or reserve police officers. May make a few folks mad I don't agree with volunteer fireman. I have seen them destroy more things just to try out their new shiny toys that they do not get to play with on a regular basis like a paid professional fireman. Same goes for Cops. The part time guys and reserves escalate crap just so they can try and get into something. I am a professional Law enforcement officer I put on my badge and gun and go to work every day. What I see in a months time they may never see in the whole time they are a Part time or reserve police officer. I will leave with this would you have a Part Time doctor do your operation or one that was in the operating room yesterday. Sounds far fetched but life is held in the balance in both professions.     

Why don't you come out to rural America?  Part time Firemen is all we have.  There is not enough tax base, or use, for full time Firemen.  Our, and the neighboring, firemen, do take a lot of training, and do very well. Are they as "perfect" as a full time?  Probably not.  Are they darn good?  Absolutely.

Kind of like the EMT's around here.  It is 30 miles to the nearest one.  My wife, and others, years ago took MANY hours of training to become Basic EMT's, so that out in the rural areas, there would be a first responder within 10 minutes or so available, vs the 45 minutes for one to come out.

Worked out well, they were total volunteers, no pay what so ever.

Then, the gov't stepped in, and demanded that Basic EMT's get a LOT more training.

NONE of them could afford the time required, i.e. LOTS of more hours of training.  So...... they all quit.

Now, we are back to 45 minute response times.

Tell me, do you think we are better off now?  I do not.

We LOVE our volunteers.

MP

[NW roller]

Like I said in the beginning I would ruffle a few feathers. There a lot of examples to prove my point in my profession.  Recently the elderly Reserve that was working with the under cover on the gun buy and shot the Perp in the back and killed him  after he was hand cuffed. If it works in your area that's great but where I'm at it does not. My neighbor put a cigarette out in flower pot on his back porch it caught fire. The siding caught fire. His son called called 911 and ran to my house for help. I stayed with him and his sister and helped get their dog out of the house. The volunteer dept showed up and knocked in his front door to get into the house THE FRONT DOOR WAS NOT LOCKED HE TOLD THEM THAT. THEY ALSO CUT A 20FT BY 12 FT HOLE IN THE ROOF. It took 8 months for those folks to get back in their house. I talked to a guy and he said the fire was contained to the plastic  siding on the rear of the house.

[MP]

Well, I am glad that in your neighborhood, the professionals NEVER make a mistake.  Good for them.

Years back, there was a fire in a farm chemical storage facility in ND.  The PROFESSIONAL, FULL TIME Fire Dept. responded.

The manager of the storage facility was there, and showed them their fire response plan in the notebook.  It said, basically, LET THE FIRE BURN ITSELF OUT.

Well, the FULL TIME Fire Chief, said "screw you", I know what I am doing.  And proceeded to dump millions of gallons of water on the fire.  It ran everywhere.  Down the ditches.  Into ponds.  Etc.

When the review came, the Fire Chief's response was exactly 100% WRONG!  It should have been allowed to burn, and let the fire burn the chemical up.

Instead, MILLIONS of dollars were spent in clean up.  Digging up the soil in all those ditches and ponds, and hauling it from ND to the Pacific NW somewhere, to a chemical disposal site!

That FULL TiME PROFESSIONAL Fire Chief, did EVERYTHING wrong.

The rural VOLUNTEER Fire Chief, whose dept. also responded to help out, wanted to let the fire burn, but was overridden by the PROFESSIONAL.

[NW roller]

I am going to end this here. I never said they never made mistakes. Busting in a front door that is open and you know its open is just being a azzhole. They just wanted to try out their new hydraulic ram. They split the door frame on a open door that is not a mistake. Had they been paid they could be help accountable for it.

[Hooter]

Kinda funny...I've done both police and fire most of my life. 28 in LE as a road sgt and 34 in the fire service. 20 years as chief. Never have I had an opinion of FF such as yours. You are wrong about volunteer or part paid fire fighters. No matter where or what type of  FF they are they will "give it all" to save anyone! My people( FF) have all been through 6 months of school, and done a ton of time with hands on training. They are also trained while on probation and have continuing ed all year every year if put on as a paid on call FF.
 Here in my station (and around the country) my paid on call fire personnel are certified, professional, TRAINED, and do a helluva job in all aspects of the fire service. We daily do all the nasty crap that police officers won't do. When crap goes south and no one knows what to do who do they call? The FIRE DEPARTMENT! Sorry you feel the way you do!

[MP]

I think maybe it is the "volunteer" part.  Sounds like one who only believes union, full time workers are worth having. Any one else is a scab.  I might be wrong, but seems like it.

[NW roller]

Hooter I speak from my own experience. Like I said it would ruffle some feathers obviously yours were. I don't believe I said I dislike the Fire dept. I believe I said and have always preferred paid professionals. Don't twist my words. Don't know about police not doing what firemen will do. We did not get the name from the Fire Dept as the Blue canary's  for nothing.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               

[Hooter]

Don't believe anything got twisted....I also speak from years of experience, from both ends of the spectrum. Your comparison about "professional" is misconstrued. I know a bunch of paid on call  fire departments that are as good and professional if not better than any full time or professional department. Take a professional fire fighter / department (city) out of a hydranted area and they can't put a fire out to save em. They will seek mutual aid from a rural company. Most paid on call fire departments are rural AND city trained and can work out of dump tanks with tankers or with hydrants with equal performance. Hydrants are the bonus plan and a no brainer. You guys in the city need to come out in the weeds and watch how its done! My department has both advantages depending on where we respond to. Hydrants in town and 3 tankers with dump tanks for the rural areas.
I've been through numerous schools with professional or basically "city response only fire departments" (which is what you are calling professional?) that have said they don't get how to operated without hydrants. Like I said, if they have to work without them and they haven't a clue. There are bad fire departments just like there are bad police departments. But one or the other doesn't make em all bad.

[MP]

Don't believe anything got twisted....I also speak from years of experience, from both ends of the spectrum. Your comparison about "professional" is misconstrued. I know a bunch of paid on call  fire departments that are as good and professional if not better than any full time or professional department. Take a professional fire fighter / department (city) out of a hydranted area and they can't put a fire out to save em. They will seek mutual aid from a rural company. Most paid on call fire departments are rural AND city trained and can work out of dump tanks with tankers or with hydrants with equal performance. Hydrants are the bonus plan and a no brainer. You guys in the city need to come out in the weeds and watch how its done! My department has both advantages depending on where we respond to. Hydrants in town and 3 tankers with dump tanks for the rural areas.
I've been through numerous schools with professional or basically "city response only fire departments" (which is what you are calling professional?) that have said they don't get how to operated without hydrants. Like I said, if they have to work without them and they haven't a clue. There are bad fire departments just like there are bad police departments. But one or the other doesn't make em all bad.

Amen!  Let some fancy smancy city fire dept come out here in the Badlands, with draws, ravines, etc., and try to fight the fire.  No hydrants, no NOTHING.

A lot of us farmers have 1500 gal water tanks on trucks to fill sprayers.  They are available, and are used, by the firemen.  We run our trucks over near the fire, and hook up to their fire engines and fill them.  It is kind of a one shot thing, as it takes me about 2 hours to refill that tank at home.  But, if 10 farmers are there, that is quite a bit of water.

These guys are heroes, and on call 24 hours a day.  The various rural departments come to each others aid, to get more men and equipment on the fire.  We fully support them, and to knock them just because they are volunteer, does a great disservice to them.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I think maybe it is the "volunteer" part.  Sounds like one who only believes union, full time workers are worth having. Any one else is a scab.  I might be wrong, but seems like it.

Yep you might be wrong. He never said anything about unions or scabs. He just gave his opinion about volunteers.  Wouldnt be the first time though, would it ?

[NW roller]

Thank you meathead I knew it was not me. I have obviously struck a nerve. Its like that around here also the volunteer guys fight with the paid and vice versa. I don't know how we got on the subject of how country  fire depts. are better then city according to Hooter. I believe he stated"I know a bunch of paid on call  fire departments " key word there being PAID. LE for 28 years Fire dept 34 years  so that is 62 years if you went into either at 18 years old that makes you 80 years old? unless one of them was volunteer then that would explain the nerve that I struck. As I said a ways back  I prefer Professional Paid first responders. Just cause you get the training means nothing if you don't use it on a regular basis. I was trained in the jaws of life 10 years ago we practiced extraction from over turned vehicle. Would not even attempt it now.  Stabilize victim till  fire dept gets there. Why? Cause I'm sure they used them just yesterday and that's my point.

[Hooter]

Just an FYI, I did both for years, together since 71.  So I'm not 80 and far from it! I also don't believe I said one was better than the other. Most departments that work both rural and city are more rounded in where they can operate with the same ability and performance.  Paid on call FF are FF paid an hourly wage or a fixed amount on a per call basis. Volunteer departments are usually not paid or they fall into the paid on call category.
As for the original discussion about this guy shooting his cruiser. Any "police officer" has to be certified through the state he working in, that means a college degree or an academy, or both. IF this guy didn't have those certifications he was no more than a reserve officer at best acting without authority thru a certified officer.