Umpqua Community College Shooting

[BF]

The helicopter keeps showing a white Valkyrie in the school's parking lot. 

I'd hate to think that it's anyone here involved. 

[BF]

Well.....that didn't take long.  Obama calls for gun control. 

[..]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjMTNPXYu-Y

[MP]

Not just "control".

He lauded laws like Australia and Great Britian and others have passed, confiscating guns.

Those of you who say that they do not want to take away guns, miss the point of him mentioning Australia, and their gun confiscation.

He hardly mentioned the families.  Just used them to get to his point.  Take away guns.  I know of no other laws that would do any good in the vast majority of these cases.

And, once again, went after gun rights groups.  Predictable.

MP

[surfcityred]

The best quote so far from the local sheriff, "It is a gun free zone.  Someone broke protocol."  Gee....ya think?  Even the security guard was not armed.  I believe the "gun free zones" invite the cowardly actors.  This is such a sad event and lives could have been saved had people been armed on the scene.   I would love to make a political comment but you can well imagine what I am thinking.  

[old2soon]

Bought another pistol today and I had to fill out and wait for the gun shop owners Wife to call in AGAIN the required gubmint form. While the form pisses me off greatly I DO NOT see a criminal doing the "proper" paperwork.  Yeah I noticed zero went straight for the throat of HIS agenda!  I get the distinct impression that NOTHING else matters to "him" and "them" but their very own agenda. He COULD start the ball rollin by disarming his Secret Service Detail!  EVERY chance this turd gets he goes after the Constitution.  Never let a crisis go to waste. Prayers up for the family and friends that are suffering thru this horrible unspeakable circumstance. I also apologize for the rant but a LOT of us are AWARE of the problem. RIDE SAFE.

[MP]

Yep, another Gun Free Zone.

How is it possible that a killing occurred there?  Guns are banned! Even the guards are unarmed?  What makes them a "guard" then?

One of his top priorities for laws is to require my sons to get a background check when I give them one of my guns!  How many mass shootings do you think that will stop?

One student, who was in the classroom, said he made them lay down, then stand up one at a time, and asked them their religion.  Not sure how accurate, but interesting.

MP

[..]

Bought another pistol today and I had to fill out and wait for the gun shop owners Wife to call in AGAIN the required gubmint form. While the form pisses me off greatly I DO NOT see a criminal doing the "proper" paperwork.  Yeah I noticed zero went straight for the throat of HIS agenda!  I get the distinct impression that NOTHING else matters to "him" and "them" but their very own agenda. He COULD start the ball rollin by disarming his Secret Service Detail!  EVERY chance this turd gets he goes after the Constitution.  Never let a crisis go to waste. Prayers up for the family and friends that are suffering thru this horrible unspeakable circumstance. I also apologize for the rant but a LOT of us are AWARE of the problem. RIDE SAFE.

The hypocrisy of the left/dem/lib/progs is continually revealed.

They are above the law/laws/rules that others live by.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Yep, another Gun Free Zone.

How is it possible that a killing occurred there?  Guns are banned! Even the guards are unarmed?  What makes them a "guard" then?

One of his top priorities for laws is to require my sons to get a background check when I give them one of my guns!  How many mass shootings do you think that will stop?

One student, who was in the classroom, said he made them lay down, then stand up one at a time, and asked them their religion.  Not sure how accurate, but interesting.

MP

You might want to brush up on the law. In Oregon if you have a concealed permit you are allowed to have it on campus.

[MP]

Guess the guard needed a concealed permit carry then.

[Bighead]

Yep, another Gun Free Zone.

How is it possible that a killing occurred there?  Guns are banned! Even the guards are unarmed?  What makes them a "guard" then?

One of his top priorities for laws is to require my sons to get a background check when I give them one of my guns!  How many mass shootings do you think that will stop?

One student, who was in the classroom, said he made them lay down, then stand up one at a time, and asked them their religion.  Not sure how accurate, but interesting.

MP

You might want to brush up on the law. In Oregon if you have a concealed permit you are allowed to have it on campus.

How can it be a gun free zone if you are allowed to carry with a cc permit? It can't be.

[MP]

It is confusing. 

The college is a "posted gun free" zone",  however,

The law does allow for concealed carry.

"Umpqua Community College is a posted Gun Free Zone but allows concealed carry under Oregon law. The college security page states the following:

“Possession, use, or threatened use of firearms (including but not limited to BB guns, air guns, water pistols, and paint guns) ammunition, explosives, dangerous chemicals, or any other objects as weapons on college property, except as expressly authorized by law or college regulations, is prohibited.

Possession of knives with a blade longer than 4” is prohibited.

Brandishing weapons is prohibited.

Misuse of personal defensive weapons – e.g., pepper spray, etc. is prohibited. The owner is responsible and accountable for any misuse of these devices.”


MP

[Rams]

According to the nightly news, Oregon law allows carrying with a permit on campus.  

Did the shooter have a permit?  

[Bighead]

It is confusing. 

The college is a "posted gun free" zone",  however,

The law does allow for concealed carry.

"Umpqua Community College is a posted Gun Free Zone but allows concealed carry under Oregon law. The college security page states the following:

“Possession, use, or threatened use of firearms (including but not limited to BB guns, air guns, water pistols, and paint guns) ammunition, explosives, dangerous chemicals, or any other objects as weapons on college property, except as expressly authorized by law or college regulations, is prohibited.

Possession of knives with a blade longer than 4” is prohibited.

Brandishing weapons is prohibited.

Misuse of personal defensive weapons – e.g., pepper spray, etc. is prohibited. The owner is responsible and accountable for any misuse of these devices.”


MP

In other words they put up signs saying it is a gun free zone to make people feel good. If in fact anyone other than a LEO can carry it is NOT a gun free zone be it a law abiding citizen or a criminal.

[The emperor has no clothes]

It is confusing. 

The college is a "posted gun free" zone",  however,

The law does allow for concealed carry.

"Umpqua Community College is a posted Gun Free Zone but allows concealed carry under Oregon law. The college security page states the following:

“Possession, use, or threatened use of firearms (including but not limited to BB guns, air guns, water pistols, and paint guns) ammunition, explosives, dangerous chemicals, or any other objects as weapons on college property, except as expressly authorized by law or college regulations, is prohibited.

Possession of knives with a blade longer than 4” is prohibited.

Brandishing weapons is prohibited.

Misuse of personal defensive weapons – e.g., pepper spray, etc. is prohibited. The owner is responsible and accountable for any misuse of these devices.”


MP

The way I understand it is that you can only legally have a gun on campus if you have a CC Permit. Open carry is not allowed.

[MP]

Reported one, ONE, student, who claimed to be in the room, said shooter asked them if Christian, and if said yes, were shot in head.  Otherwise, shot in leg.

However, not confirmed, like essentially all the other info.

Also reported it was a long gun, not a handgun.  Now saying one long gun, and three handguns.

MP

[dreamchaser]

As an Oregon resident I must say this is one horrible event and I pray for these students, their families and friends, even though the king says  that prayers are not enough...... Really?  "He's more than enough for me"

I watched the whole thing and saw nothing and heard nothing about "are you a Christian?  Bang, shot in the head. Just "Stand and state your religion.  Maybe the "locals aren't important enough to hear the whole truth.

I turned that whining simp off every time he started to talk  on his gun control rant.  (twice)  My bride called me back in when he was done.

This has me really upset.  That is all I can say

[Willow]

So I did a little reading to catch up.

Someone violated a number, a large number, of laws and killed at least ten innocent people.  Someone, apparently several someones, have expressed with confidence that if we only had more laws the situation could've been avoided?  

Some people's logic is well beyond my comprehension.  

[Mobile Mayor]

Doesn' t it seem that these repetitive shootings occur with an almost predictable frequency?   Thousands of susceptible people are constantly exposed to violence oriented gaming on the internet, and conditioned to respond in the only way that they know.  Rational thinking has been replaced by conditioned response.  We never see anything about the internet history of these people.  In their disturbed minds, they are justified in their actions, which they carry out without any thought .  I grieve for the victims,  and hope that the  perpetrators who conditioned the actors will burn in hell.   

[Patrick]

Who was it that said never to let a crisis go to waste ?  Oh ya, we know who it was.
obama just had to politicize this incident didn't he, and, every time he opens his mouth out comes another lie.  He needs to be challanged about his statements that gun laws work. Of all people he should know differently. Illinois has some of strictest laws in the country, especially chicago, where he worked as a community organizer. [ can that really be called work]. I should say where he spent his time as a community organizer. That area has some of the highest rates of gun crimes in the country. The problem is that they fail to enforce these laws once a crime is committed.  Change some laws, Commit a gun crime, mandatory minimum 10 years of hard time.

As said, this last incident was committed with a long gun in a 'gun free zone'.  It would seem to me that any nut intent of committing a gun crime would look for such a sign. Those signs are about one of the dumbest things I've seen or heard of.

So now lets start taking away all the shotguns and rifles. Yep, that should work. The stupidity of some people never ceases to surprise me.

There were several Vets attending that school yesterday that were armed and ready to pitch and help, but, were stopped from doing so.

[..]

Couldn't the shooter be Obama's son? 

[old2soon]

Just from a few preliminary reports-I spect a week or two for local authorities to make final determination-I'm going to put forth a hypothesis. It's already been mentioned the shooter singled out Christians. Thnkin they're gonna find out if not born mooslim a recent mooslim convert. AND he was fulfilling his personal destiny by doing what he did. AND IF I turn out to be right I expect to NOT hear one word from the head liar in chief! Prayers up for those who needlessly died in Oregon yesterday and those left to deal with the aftermath.  I am afraid that the devils henchmen walk among us. RIDE SAFE.

[solo1]

Advertising and giving coverage to these SOB's gives the go ahead to even more sorry bastards that want their short claim to fame.  

 From what I read it wasn't exactly a gun free zone.  

Having said that, if there were signs on that campus that said "Gun Free Zone"  those signs attract these cowardly arseholes like s### attracts flies.

I like the Sheriff's challenge to the POTUS.  Make the White House grounds truly a gun free zone, including the Secret Service.  That might give the Obama pause and temporarily stop his BS about making the whole US a 'gun free' zone.  Maybe at least it would cut down on his opportunist lies.

[old2soon]

Some news organization compared terrorism deaths to school shootings here in the U S of A. What I truly WANT to know is the EXACT HOW the weapons came to the shooters. We know the doer at Sandy Hook killed his mother and broke them out of safe storage. I also want to know how many laws-already on the books mind you-were broken prior to the doers going on their personal rampage. They keep blaming the weapon. As I live alone I tell you I have fully loaded weapons within arms reach. NOT ONE of them has jumped up took aim at me and discharged-NOT ONE! We do KNOW the agenda of deception central IS TOTALLY disarming good law abiding AMERICAN Citizens. As much as I hate to say this-I fully expect any future shootings to ramp up the number of dead. Who would have thought that armed L E Os are NEEDED in our schools? I DO NOT know about other schools even around here but in Willow Springs there is an armed L E O on duty when classes are in session. And at sporting events held here. I KNOW I don't have the answers but I intend to be VERY vigilant. Or a we said in the Navy-High S A-situational awareness.  RIDE SAFE.

[0leman]

Big O opens his mouth and lets the lies come out before finding out what has really happened.  should have been spending his time expressing feeling for the families, then after all the facts come in, start on his lies.  Just my opinion.  

As of now local folks haven't come out saying what kind of weapon(s) this idiot used.  If he was connected to the college?.  Had he recently taken up a new religion?  These are the questions that needs to come out.

Also Oregon is a open carry state.  If I had a long rifle or a pistol  (lost all my weapons during many of my moves), I could carry them openly where ever I went.  Those business or schools that request you not open carry into them, may or may not lose business

[solo1]

There is another problem, maybe not in this case, but by the time it takes to get a SWAT team together, suit up, and get in an armored vehicle, the damage is already done. Some Law Enforcement agencies are more like the military these day in their thinking and tools.

Our police chief in our town won't wait for that.  All officers on duty WILL respond immediately with what they have available, including AR15's or M16's.  Swat teams later.

[Patrick]

This incident does appear to be religion oriented. He apparently was a momma's boy and very smothered by his mommy. 
Its also now reported that he was not a student at or affiliated with this school.

[The emperor has no clothes]

So I did a little reading to catch up.

Someone violated a number, a large number, of laws and killed at least ten innocent people.  Someone, apparently several someones, have expressed with confidence that if we only had more laws the situation could've been avoided?  

Some people's logic is well beyond my comprehension.  

Don't bad about that. Many peoples logic is well beyond my comprehension.   I know we've had the discussions before. I know hardly any specifics about this incident. So I really can't say what MIGHT have avoided this situation. I don't know how others feel, but I'm starting to think it's hopeless to stop these things.   I'm all for the 2nd Amendment , but seems there are some simple things that could mitigate some of these. Are there ideas you have for these problems or are you near hopeless on this as I am ? We seem to have a lot of young men that are divorced from reality of ALL races, social status, etc.

[Willow]

So I did a little reading to catch up.

Someone violated a number, a large number, of laws and killed at least ten innocent people.  Someone, apparently several someones, have expressed with confidence that if we only had more laws the situation could've been avoided?  

Some people's logic is well beyond my comprehension.  

Don't bad about that. Many peoples logic is well beyond my comprehension.   I know we've had the discussions before. I know hardly any specifics about this incident. So I really can't say what MIGHT have avoided this situation. I don't know how others feel, but I'm starting to think it's hopeless to stop these things.   I'm all for the 2nd Amendment , but seems there are some simple things that could mitigate some of these. Are there ideas you have for these problems or are you near hopeless on this as I am ? We seem to have a lot of young men that are divorced from reality of ALL races, social status, etc.

LOL!  You know me well enough to know I don't really feel bad.  It was a facetious way of saying it's amazing how stupid some people can be.

As for solutions, I with you am not sure we could make it completely go away but I am a strong believer in the idea that the best solution to bad people with guns is good people with guns.  

[Jess from VA]

Instead of a single unarmed guard, what about if they had 2-3 full-time uniformed armed guards out in public?  (hire cops part time) (or better yet, have the U go partners with the local city/county police and pay for a full time substation; this gives them partial official immunity, top notch training, department insurance, and police/union representation) (Cut down on stupid liberal arts budgets, and pay for qualified security)
(They considered and rejected armed guards)

You don't think he scoped out his hunting ground beforehand?  He clearly seems to have had a plan.

Attending or working at any gun free school is a calculated risk.  

Ask Dewy, Cheatum and Howe at what point do survivors start suing universities for wrongful death by failing to take sufficient reasonable action to avoid clearly foreseeable events?  Shooting up schools is getting to be a national pass time.  Reasonable gun laws (applying only to the law abiding) is BS and absurd, what is needed is better (armed) security.

Except the Am. Trial Lawyers Assn (Plaintiff's bar) is antigun all the way and would rather sue arms mfgrs than schools for NOT having armed security.

[Patrick]

Its easy to monday morning quarterback these incidents. I don't think anything close to this has ever happened at that school before, so, I think its hard to think they should have had more security. I too think they should have had better security, I can't really fault them for not having it.
 Every school is cost conscience and increased security would raise tuition. I'm sure the increase of a few dollars for that prior unnecessary expense would be looked upon unfavorably.

[The emperor has no clothes]

So I did a little reading to catch up.

Someone violated a number, a large number, of laws and killed at least ten innocent people.  Someone, apparently several someones, have expressed with confidence that if we only had more laws the situation could've been avoided?  

Some people's logic is well beyond my comprehension.  

Don't bad about that. Many peoples logic is well beyond my comprehension.   I know we've had the discussions before. I know hardly any specifics about this incident. So I really can't say what MIGHT have avoided this situation. I don't know how others feel, but I'm starting to think it's hopeless to stop these things.   I'm all for the 2nd Amendment , but seems there are some simple things that could mitigate some of these. Are there ideas you have for these problems or are you near hopeless on this as I am ? We seem to have a lot of young men that are divorced from reality of ALL races, social status, etc.

LOL!  You know me well enough to know I don't really feel bad.  It was a facetious wayof saying it's amazing how stupid some people can be.

As for solutions, I with you am not sure we could make it completely go away but I am a strong believer in the idea that the best solution to bad people with guns is good people with guns. 

You are right , I do. Oh I'm for sure it will never go away. I'm much more worried that it's going to escalate even with "good people with guns". The information so far is very minimal, but it appears there were good people with guns there. To my thinking, it's not so much the guns at issue but the mental health of these young men. There is not much if anything in our great country that I feel hopeless about. This one might be there.  

[Wizzard]

We have a "heart" problem, not a gun problem.

[cookiedough]

No idea what anyone of us would have done if we heard gunshots nearby.  Run away?  Hide? or go after the SOB?

Cannot fathom such a horrid experience if in that classroom what to do?  Not to play hero, but I think if I saw one person getting shot and if the dirt bag was not pointing the gun in my direction,  I would probably tackle the SOB and get the gun away ASAP and hope and pray others will come to help out holding him down as well while I beat his brain in to oblivion and once gun away from him, shoot him.   

[The emperor has no clothes]

No idea what anyone of us would have done if we heard gunshots nearby.  Run away?  Hide? or go after the SOB?

Cannot fathom such a horrid experience if in that classroom what to do?  Not to play hero, but I think if I saw one person getting shot and if the dirt bag was not pointing the gun in my direction,  I would probably tackle the SOB and get the gun away ASAP and hope and pray others will come to help out holding him down as well while I beat his brain in to oblivion and once gun away from him, shoot him.   

Yeah, when I think of how I would react I'm always Chuck Norris, Clint Eastwood, John Wayne all rolled into one. In reality I'd probably be more like a scared little girl. 

[WilliamRS]

No idea what anyone of us would have done if we heard gunshots nearby.  Run away?  Hide? or go after the SOB?

Cannot fathom such a horrid experience if in that classroom what to do?  Not to play hero, but I think if I saw one person getting shot and if the dirt bag was not pointing the gun in my direction,  I would probably tackle the SOB and get the gun away ASAP and hope and pray others will come to help out holding him down as well while I beat his brain in to oblivion and once gun away from him, shoot him.   

once you take his gun away, shooting him would be murder, not self defense.

[Trynt]

It is confusing. 

The college is a "posted gun free" zone",  however,

The law does allow for concealed carry.

"Umpqua Community College is a posted Gun Free Zone but allows concealed carry under Oregon law. The college security page states the following:

“Possession, use, or threatened use of firearms (including but not limited to BB guns, air guns, water pistols, and paint guns) ammunition, explosives, dangerous chemicals, or any other objects as weapons on college property, except as expressly authorized by law or college regulations, is prohibited.

Possession of knives with a blade longer than 4” is prohibited.

Brandishing weapons is prohibited.

Misuse of personal defensive weapons – e.g., pepper spray, etc. is prohibited. The owner is responsible and accountable for any misuse of these devices.”


MP

The way I understand it is that you can only legally have a gun on campus if you have a CC Permit. Open carry is not allowed.

In Minnesota all students attending the college are banned from having a firearm on campus.  However, a non-student can carry on campus with a permit. Strange ??? Perhaps Oregon has a similar policy.

[The emperor has no clothes]

It is confusing. 

The college is a "posted gun free" zone",  however,

The law does allow for concealed carry.

"Umpqua Community College is a posted Gun Free Zone but allows concealed carry under Oregon law. The college security page states the following:

“Possession, use, or threatened use of firearms (including but not limited to BB guns, air guns, water pistols, and paint guns) ammunition, explosives, dangerous chemicals, or any other objects as weapons on college property, except as expressly authorized by law or college regulations, is prohibited.

Possession of knives with a blade longer than 4” is prohibited.

Brandishing weapons is prohibited.

Misuse of personal defensive weapons – e.g., pepper spray, etc. is prohibited. The owner is responsible and accountable for any misuse of these devices.”


MP

The way I understand it is that you can only legally have a gun on campus if you have a CC Permit. Open carry is not allowed.

In Minnesota all students attending the college are banned from having a firearm on campus.  However, a non-student can carry on campus with a permit. Strange ??? Perhaps Oregon has a similar policy.

perhaps, the way i understood it was, anyone with a permit.

[Rams]

Just from a few preliminary reports-I spect a week or two for local authorities to make final determination-I'm going to put forth a hypothesis. It's already been mentioned the shooter singled out Christians. Thnkin they're gonna find out if not born mooslim a recent mooslim convert. AND he was fulfilling his personal destiny by doing what he did. AND IF I turn out to be right I expect to NOT hear one word from the head liar in chief! Prayers up for those who needlessly died in Oregon yesterday and those left to deal with the aftermath.  I am afraid that the devils henchmen walk among us. RIDE SAFE.

As of this post, nothing has linked the shooter to any Muslim activities.   But, it appears he has an affinity for the Irish Republican Army.   

[Willow]

...  I grieve for the victims,  and hope that the  perpetrators who conditioned the actors will burn in hell.   

Careful what you ask for.  Those perpetrators may be in part, us.  When one of these wackos sees how much attention is given the shooter in these cases it may well inspire them to do something similar.  The shooter in this case referred to the upcoming event as his only chance to be famous.

Part of the conditioning may be us and our news media.  I'm not sure of a solution.  Part may be to never refer to a criminal by name or by a moniker he himself has chose such as the BTK killer of Kansas.  When one is crazy enough to have resigned himself to die and to take as many as he can with him what exactly is the answer?

Perhaps more good people armed and ready could shorten the duration of the event.