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« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2015, 04:29:01 PM » |
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Hope it works out for you, Mark. The Michelin Alpin Run Flat is a popular tire amongst F6b riders and one I might have to look into when my stock Bridgestone gets worn out. I believe it's a winter tire also. I agree with the quality of Michelin and am intrigued if a Run Flat can save my bacon in a total loss of pressure situation.
One other thing....when are you going to do something about that stock exhaust???? Or are you going to leave it like that for a quiet ride and then have Deerslayer for when you want to wreak havoc?
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« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2015, 05:01:15 PM » |
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« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2015, 05:20:11 PM » |
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Hope it works out for you, Mark. The Michelin Alpin Run Flat is a popular tire amongst F6b riders and one I might have to look into when my stock Bridgestone gets worn out. I believe it's a winter tire also. I agree with the quality of Michelin and am intrigued if a Run Flat can save my bacon in a total loss of pressure situation.
One other thing....when are you going to do something about that stock exhaust???? Or are you going to leave it like that for a quiet ride and then have Deerslayer for when you want to wreak havoc?
Got others who need pipes first. I have the parts for my pipes but not the time yet. There's still a list of a half dozen mods not done yet that I will do first. Including fwd controls, shifter mod, awesome very custom Highlighter and a loud horn. Cant top Deerslayer's horn; might do something similar. Though cant use the same air tank now with a belly tank under there. I aleady own a huge 3-chime train horn... Thats really too much tho. |
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« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2015, 09:31:35 PM » |
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Finally finished some mods including rubber on Jade and took it out yesterday for a dinner ride. Gotta say I'm pleased with the Michelin X-Ice. In the usual DS size, 205-60-16. Rides pretty much identical to the Vredestein on Deerslayer at the same pressure 34#. Cushy ride, very sticky tire. Well behaved for a DS tire - much better than the GYTT but then that's like saying it's better than a crap sandwich. Sorry didn't like the GYTT at all - too square and behaves like it. Glad the Mitch is well behaved - my experience is, their tires are the best there is - at least on cars. I expect the durability and performance here, as well.  I'm glad you are liking it. But it sure looks pretty square in the pic. |
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« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2015, 07:11:34 AM » |
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True - the surface that contacts the road has a rounded profile but the edges sure look squared off compared to the Vredestein (I also have that tire). Love the siping in it though, should be amazing in the wet stuff.
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« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2015, 07:19:24 AM » |
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Looks like it would be loud on the pavement (like a Jeep)... ???
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« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2015, 07:21:08 AM » |
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I doubt you have the same Vredestein tire I do. At least I haven't seen any posts of that, mine is the Snow-Trac, discontinued for 6 years. Yeah it's old but I used to be in the tire industry, I'm OK with that and I know what to watch for on aging. In direct comparison the Vredestein edges look more rounded. But you can't get that tire anymore. Also interestingly, the company is supposed to be out of the Netherlands, but the tire is stamped, "Made in Russia". Hmm. BTW - on Jade - the tires I replaced - bald Dumflops, back tire dated Oct 99, front Sept '00. WAY too old.  |
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« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2015, 07:29:31 AM » |
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Looks like it would be loud on the pavement (like a Jeep)... ???
Didn't notice that and the exhaust is still stock. However I didn't ride fast on this ride, so the jury is still out. |
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« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2015, 07:39:07 AM » |
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My opinion, but a snow tire (at least on cars) are NOT suppose to be used over 50 degrees due to it being too hot in temps and too soft a tread compound in heat. Even if a cycle is only 800lbs. vs. several 1000 lbs. for a car, I still think 80 degree temps and above will destroy that snow tire in no time flat.
It will grip/stick and handle VERY well with such a soft tread compound, but my opinion on odds are that this snow tire (or any snow tire) made for winter use, will not last and possible break off side tread compound in the corners in 80+ degree temps.
I sure hope my opinion is wrong though. I have snow tires on my vehicles, and even around 55 degrees for a few days with them on the car and SUV, in corners at slow speeds with window down I can hear the tread compound squeal and make noise since the rubber becomes very pliable and soft/squishy to the touch. All tire places have told me NOT to run them over 50 degree temps since they will wear off the rubber compound in NO time flat. Can't imagine what 80+ degree temps will do even on a cycle.
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« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2015, 08:15:37 PM » |
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This is the one all the guys on the Wing board swear by for grip & they're gettin' 20k+ out of it. Pretty similar tread, & it's a snow tire. Michelin Primacy Alpin PA3 ZP - 195/55R16 87H  I'm jus' sayin'.... Hey Mark, is that X-Ice a runflat? Enjoy! |
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« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2015, 09:47:36 PM » |
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My opinion, but a snow tire (at least on cars) are NOT suppose to be used over 50 degrees due to it being too hot in temps and too soft a tread compound in heat. Even if a cycle is only 800lbs. vs. several 1000 lbs. for a car, I still think 80 degree temps and above will destroy that snow tire in no time flat.
It will grip/stick and handle VERY well with such a soft tread compound, but my opinion on odds are that this snow tire (or any snow tire) made for winter use, will not last and possible break off side tread compound in the corners in 80+ degree temps.
I sure hope my opinion is wrong though. I have snow tires on my vehicles, and even around 55 degrees for a few days with them on the car and SUV, in corners at slow speeds with window down I can hear the tread compound squeal and make noise since the rubber becomes very pliable and soft/squishy to the touch. All tire places have told me NOT to run them over 50 degree temps since they will wear off the rubber compound in NO time flat. Can't imagine what 80+ degree temps will do even on a cycle.
Have over 10k on the Vredestein, most of it's miles at over 80°, still looks new and I ride hard. So I'll go with my experience both in the tire industry and with my bike rather than your opinion. The tire places have a vested interest in getting you to have two complete sets of tires for all your vehicles. And get you to change them from age if you don't wear them out first. I used to be a commercial tire salesman, I know whereof I speak. So don't get a snow tire on your bike. I'll be the guy getting way better traction than you, especially when I have to deal with my clay road when it gets wet. |
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« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2015, 09:51:49 PM » |
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This is the one all the guys on the Wing board swear by for grip & they're gettin' 20k+ out of it. Pretty similar tread, & it's a snow tire. Michelin Primacy Alpin PA3 ZP - 195/55R16 87H I'm jus' sayin'.... Hey Mark, is that X-Ice a runflat? Enjoy! Good looking tire. And nice rounded corners. Have to make a note for next time. I'll want a taller tire though. If it comes in 205-60, perfect. Good tire for Deerslayer if I ever wear the Vredestein down. Or decide it's age is just too much. Nope, the X-Ice is not runflat. Not concerned though - I use Ride-On, and I've never had a Michelin leak on my Exploder. Not that it couldn't, just hasn't for me. |
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« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2015, 06:45:01 AM » |
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I don't think it comes in our sizes, 'least I haven't found it. The cornering is one of the best things about it from what I read, very "motorcycle" like turn in. I don't like ZP's, they carry too much extra weight for my taste. That said, I'll be watching for your updates as the X-ice wears, it comes in my size |
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« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2015, 07:08:52 AM » |
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My opinion, but a snow tire (at least on cars) are NOT suppose to be used over 50 degrees due to it being too hot in temps and too soft a tread compound in heat. Even if a cycle is only 800lbs. vs. several 1000 lbs. for a car, I still think 80 degree temps and above will destroy that snow tire in no time flat.
Every SUV Ive owned since 1990 have had snow tires on them year around. They were my main drivers and many super slab miles, none of those tires got less than 50 to 60000 miles. I've never had a tire installer tell me not to drive on them above 50°. |
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« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2015, 08:47:52 AM » |
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This is the one all the guys on the Wing board swear by for grip & they're gettin' 20k+ out of it. Pretty similar tread, & it's a snow tire. Michelin Primacy Alpin PA3 ZP - 195/55R16 87H I'm jus' sayin'.... Hey Mark, is that X-Ice a runflat? Enjoy! That's the same tire I mentioned in the second post. Comes in runflat(ZP means zero pressure) and non runflat versions. Not sure if they have Valk sizes. |
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« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2015, 11:54:19 AM » |
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My opinion, but a snow tire (at least on cars) are NOT suppose to be used over 50 degrees due to it being too hot in temps and too soft a tread compound in heat. Even if a cycle is only 800lbs. vs. several 1000 lbs. for a car, I still think 80 degree temps and above will destroy that snow tire in no time flat.
Every SUV Ive owned since 1990 have had snow tires on them year around. They were my main drivers and many super slab miles, none of those tires got less than 50 to 60000 miles. I've never had a tire installer tell me not to drive on them above 50°.
I'm impressed you can get 50K year round on a snow tire on an SUV in Illinois. I was told by all 3 tire places like tiresplus and discount tire and tirerack that a snow tire in summer heat wears down drastically. As far as a snow tire on a cycle, I can see great handling and traction improvements for sure and the less weight of a cycle probably doesn't wear it down as much as an SUV will even in the summer months. If you can get 20 to 25K on a snow tire on a cycle, it would be worth it for just the traction standpoint would grip like glue for sure. |
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