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"The Donald" has insinuated that Carson is a pathological liar and equates him as the same as a child molester. Is there nothing this guy can say that doesn't hurt him ? It continues to baffle me how he can be leading in support from republicans. He also said that he couldn't believe how stupid the people of Iowa are for supporting Carson. Is he just writing off the Iowa caucuses ?
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« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2015, 05:58:00 AM » |
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I think he did himself great damage last night. I see his campaign faltering quickly.
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IMHO most active Trump supporters don't so much like Trump, they just have a deep berning (See what I did there?) hatred for anything even remotely appearing to be from the establishment of either party...
Which presents a challenge for Mr. Trump, as Dr. Carson is every bit as much of an outsider as Mr. Trump is, so he has to go for the jugular I guess... We'll see how it works out for him.
There's also the theory that Trump has been a Clinton plant all along and his job is to make her president, either by getting the nomination and then flaming out, or by doing a Perot and running 3rd party if he doesn't get it.
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IMHO most active Trump supporters don't so much like Trump, they just have a deep berning (See what I did there?) hatred for anything even remotely appearing to be from the establishment of either party...
Which presents a challenge for Mr. Trump, as Dr. Carson is every bit as much of an outsider as Mr. Trump is, so he has to go for the jugular I guess... We'll see how it works out for him.
There's also the theory that Trump has been a Clinton plant all along and his job is to make her president, either by getting the nomination and then flaming out, or by doing a Perot and running 3rd party if he doesn't get it.
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« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2015, 06:14:30 AM » |
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I mentioned early on to my colleagues on the boat that Trump could easily be a plant from the other party.
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I mentioned early on to my colleagues on the boat that Trump could easily be a plant from the other party.
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Trump is a practiced buffoon playing the biggest practical joke the American public has ever witnessed.
However he has stirred up the career politicians by airing subjects one would have thought were taboo. Mass deportation is one example.
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« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2015, 06:32:44 AM » |
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And huge numbers of dems support socialist Bernie Sanders. I never claimed that voters were smart.
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Geez I hope folks wake up. Looks like "the donald" is sinking and now his panic is settling in. He needs to be gone. For the good of the country. Can you imagine the power of the presidency combined with his ego and ignorance? Hello Hitler. I'm just afraid he will divide the vote and we get the hildabeast for Obama v. 2.0.
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Ok so Take Donald out and Ben so who do we have that will be a real change from the hell we have now? If anyone says Hillary I know its pointless to talk in terms of values to a person who will recommend her. Since at that point values are not something they know about. Bernie is a socialist and that goes against every thing this country was founded on.
I would personally vote for Donald but not because hes perfect but because he has made money and run businesses with the idea of profit and loss. That one thing is something no other candidate can really say.
Before anyone talks about the stupidity of the Republican party remember whos in office now and how he got voted in. We knew nothing about him, he got in on hand outs and promises, has failed at almost every turn. That should be sobering thoughts to anyone who thinks Democrats or Republicans are so great.
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Trump is a practiced buffoon playing the biggest practical joke the American public has ever witnessed.
However he has stirred up the career politicians by airing subjects one would have thought were taboo. Mass deportation is one example.
I understand the desire to mass deport. But have none of those guys thought thru the implications. What would we do with the legal children of those we deport ? Surely we are not advocating a LARGER govt. bureaucracy to pay and take care of them ? Not to mention the morality of separating little kids from their parents. |
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IMHO most active Trump supporters don't so much like Trump, they just have a deep berning (See what I did there?) hatred for anything even remotely appearing to be from the establishment of either party...
Which presents a challenge for Mr. Trump, as Dr. Carson is every bit as much of an outsider as Mr. Trump is, so he has to go for the jugular I guess... We'll see how it works out for him.
There's also the theory that Trump has been a Clinton plant all along and his job is to make her president, either by getting the nomination and then flaming out, or by doing a Perot and running 3rd party if he doesn't get it.
I think your conspiracy theory is the most valid of explanations of The Donald. But that still doesn't explain his extraordinary Teflon aura. (And yes I saw what you did) He's not teflon. He's been moving down in the polls continually in small intervals. I don't believe that a new poll has come out since before the last debate. Cruz and Rubio, according to the pundits, will be moving up based on the debate. If true, the only one's they can take numbers from are Trump and Carson, so they should be moving down a little further. |
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Trump is a practiced buffoon playing the biggest practical joke the American public has ever witnessed.
However he has stirred up the career politicians by airing subjects one would have thought were taboo. Mass deportation is one example.
I understand the desire to mass deport. But have none of those guys thought thru the implications. What would we do with the legal children of those we deport ? Surely we are not advocating a LARGER govt. bureaucracy to pay and take care of them ? Not to mention the morality of separating little kids from their parents. They are ALL doing what politicians do best. Pandering to the groups they hope will vote for them. Why did Hillary go meet Michael Browns mother? Why does she adopt a fake accent when talking to black audiences? Are her target voters so blinkered and shallow they can't see thru her ruses? Pathetic. |
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Mass deportation is impossible. Trump knows this & his solution of creating a "deportation force" is as outlandish as it can be. But it is a hot button issue. Trump's Populist rhetoric will only take him so far. His latest tact has been to do nothing other than denigrate all the other candidates. No, he will implode after losing in Iowa and New Hampshire.
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IMHO most active Trump supporters don't so much like Trump, they just have a deep berning (See what I did there?) hatred for anything even remotely appearing to be from the establishment of either party...
Which presents a challenge for Mr. Trump, as Dr. Carson is every bit as much of an outsider as Mr. Trump is, so he has to go for the jugular I guess... We'll see how it works out for him.
There's also the theory that Trump has been a Clinton plant all along and his job is to make her president, either by getting the nomination and then flaming out, or by doing a Perot and running 3rd party if he doesn't get it.
I think your conspiracy theory is the most valid of explanations of The Donald. But that still doesn't explain his extraordinary Teflon aura. (And yes I saw what you did) You saw what he did but you didn't seem to have either grasped or believed it. I'm relatively certain that what he clearly said was that the grass roots support is so completely disgusted with the entrenched political community that they embrace Mr. Trump because he appears to be outside that realm. I think he will slip if other candidates begin to take a stand and represent themselves convincingly as an opposition to and answer for what disgusts those grass roots. They are ALL doing what politicians do best.
Pandering to the groups they hope will vote for them. And that, my friend, is the very definition of democracy. Those who believe them will describe it as representing their interests. Those opposed will call it pandering. Either way it is accumulating or enlarging a useful base of voters. |
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IMHO most active Trump supporters don't so much like Trump, they just have a deep berning (See what I did there?) hatred for anything even remotely appearing to be from the establishment of either party...
Which presents a challenge for Mr. Trump, as Dr. Carson is every bit as much of an outsider as Mr. Trump is, so he has to go for the jugular I guess... We'll see how it works out for him.
There's also the theory that Trump has been a Clinton plant all along and his job is to make her president, either by getting the nomination and then flaming out, or by doing a Perot and running 3rd party if he doesn't get it.
I think your conspiracy theory is the most valid of explanations of The Donald. But that still doesn't explain his extraordinary Teflon aura. (And yes I saw what you did) You saw what he did but you didn't seem to have either grasped or believed it. I'm relatively certain that what he clearly said was that the grass roots support is so completely disgusted with the entrenched political community that they embrace Mr. Trump because he appears to be outside that realm. I think he will slip if other candidates begin to take a stand and represent themselves convincingly as an opposition to and answer for what disgusts those grass roots. They are ALL doing what politicians do best.
Pandering to the groups they hope will vote for them. And that, my friend, is the very definition of democracy. Those who believe them will describe it as representing their interests. Those opposed will call it pandering. Either way it is accumulating or enlarging a useful base of voters. maybe I didn't grasp it. I took it as a play on words (Bernie Sanders). As for not believing it. I understand people are fed up. It just seems delusional to turn to Trump with that indignation |
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maybe I didn't grasp it. I took it as a play on words (Bernie Sanders). As for not believing it. I understand people are fed up. It just seems delusional to turn to Trump with that indignation No, you had it right, at least by my silly side-pun... As for the greater meaning of my commentary, you slightly missed it. You're confused as to how Trump is able to get away with the things he's gotten away with, and the reason is that most of his supporters don't so much like HIM as much as they LOATHE the others. So, their attention isn't ON him, it's on the ones they dislike much more. As far as Trump, he's VERY much NOT my guy, but (Unlike Bush, Christie, Kasich or some of the other liberal Democrats running as Republicans) if he somehow gets the nomination, I would vote for him (or rather, I'd vote against Hillary). |
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If Trump did lose the Republican nomination, I feel it would hand the election to the Democratic side if he were to run a 3rd Party campaign. The last viable Independant if we exclude Ralph Nader(please let's do) was Ross Perot.
Ross was certainly quirky and had a VP running mate who by his own admission "hadn't the foggiest", yet Ross had some good points and he was certainly correct about that Giant Sucking Sound!
Unfortunately, it's too hard to buck the establishment-ask the old USFL and World Football Leagues..
There is just too much money flowing into the coiffers.
I think the "wild card" here is if Cruz, Rubio, or Carson grabs the nomination. When was the last time the Elephant party marched out a minority candidate? It could be interesting to see which side voters then flock to as we saw how Obama reeled in the black vote to a tune of something like 91%.
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I think the "wild card" here is if Cruz, Rubio, or Carson grabs the nomination. When was the last time the Elephant party marched out a minority candidate? It could be interesting to see which side voters then flock to as we saw how Obama reeled in the black vote to a tune of something like 91%.
It evidently has the leftists concerned, the liberals are already saying Cruz and Rubio aren't really Hispanic...  http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/2015/11/11/chris-matthews-not-sure-if-cruz-rubio-really-hispanic-theyre-cuban-nationals |
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As my mom used to say: " He's getting a little too big for his britches"
If he thinks that unwarranted insults will bring him up in the polls, I hope that he;s wrong. I know that he's wrong but voters? I don't know.
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And Dr. Carson's response brings him up a few notches in my sight, even if I'm not the praying type: "When I spoke with Dr. Carson about this yesterday how we should respond, you know he was so sad about it. He said: "Pray for him." He feels sorry for him because he really likes Mr. Trump," Armstrong Williams, who often acts as Carson's surrogate in the media, told CNN. https://ca.news.yahoo.com/carsons-comeback-trumps-insults-pray-him-135707822.html |
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Trump is a practiced buffoon playing the biggest practical joke the American public has ever witnessed.
However he has stirred up the career politicians by airing subjects one would have thought were taboo. Mass deportation is one example.
wait, I thought we already had the biggest practical joke in office already.  I would have thought Trump a has been by this time, he keeps saying outrageous things and doubles down on them. he truly doesn't care who he offends and that is part of the draw as well, none of that PC crap. |
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"The Donald" has insinuated that Carson is a pathological liar and equates him as the same as a child molester. Is there nothing this guy can say that doesn't hurt him ? It continues to baffle me how he can be leading in support from republicans. He also said that he couldn't believe how stupid the people of Iowa are for supporting Carson. Is he just writing off the Iowa caucuses ?
Don't know if that is quite right. Lots of media spin on this stuff. Everyone taking this and that and molding it into the latest trending media crap. Lots of obfuscation and inferences that are not really true but close enough to stir things up for some rating. For starters the Pathological inference comes directly from Dr. Carson himself. His autobiography states his belief that his own anger as well as other emotional aspects of himself was "pathological". I got no idea where Trump's child molestation came from except to draw a parallel to the pathological effects. Certainly not a smooth move there. As far as the people of Iowa being stupid, I didn't get that take from it. The take I got was that he DOESN'T think the people of Iowa are so stupid as to fall for Carson's story or various stories. A political jab to be sure. Frankly, I think Carson is the most moral and ethical one of the bunch. Perhaps that alone disqualifies him from the Presidency.  But he's a fine man and, if nominated, I would be thrilled to support. But I do like Mr. Trump. Successful businessman. Domestically and Globally. Knows his way around the Globe. Knows the countries and leaders. Believes in Winning. Smart. Gives his speeches with very few notes and no teleprompters. Does not concern himself with political correctness. His stand on immigration may seem largess and ridiculous but for him it is his negotiating position. That is what he does and how he does it. |
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Trump is a practiced buffoon playing the biggest practical joke the American public has ever witnessed.
However he has stirred up the career politicians by airing subjects one would have thought were taboo. Mass deportation is one example.
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I agree with a lot of what you said Moonshot. Initially this morning with Fox news in the background shot after shot came at Trump on just out takes and it was the same all over the news. The liberal stations who all take their cue from the Dems all used the word tirade. His reference was indeed how can people be so stupid to believe the knife being stopped by the belt buckle and then breaking. Pathelogical he said is the term Carson used about himself. Carson himself said that Trump was not making a reference to himself as being a child molester ( I must admit this is a bit extreme comparison though ) One had to listen to a lot more of his speech to get these meanings and the context.
Not sure this is any where near as bad as the assault that came at Romney during the summer of 2012 portraying him as a murderer because someone died from cancer that was a employee, or a commercial of Paul Ryan throwing your Grandmother over a cliff, or the many hundred of attacks that happen this way. I am sure you all can remember a bunch of those.
I like Trump because I think he would bring people of experience and esteme in their endeavors and getting things done into gov't positions instead of political hacks that are incompetent at every level. He would cut waste, and run the gov't much more like a streamlined business which all could agree with. This guy is very patriotic and is tired of our downward spiral and I have heard him make these kind of interviews for 10 years or better. His one son talked about it last night. Maybe his method will not work, many times it seemed it would not, only to get stronger. Time will tell. The Rasmusen 5 day rolling average of polls had Trump at 28 percent day before the last debate. Carson at 23. As of this morning Trump went up to 33 or 34 percent and Carson dropped to high teens.
I like Carson a bunch. Probably no more honest and moral a person has run in my lifetime, and he is a conservative. I really like the true conservative which is Cruz. Alan Dershowitz of Harvard said Cruz was his most capable and smartest student he taught. He has not been afraid to take on the establishment especially his own party. I like Rubio a bunch and I myself made him the favorite to win at the beginning just from what I have seen of him which is a lot. He has a great story and struggled mightily like most of us have.
There is a long way to go. Cruz and Rubio are going at each other pretty good also right now, just Trump gets the press. Politics has been like this since the second President, John Adams. It is one of the reasons that George Washington warned the country about political parties and how they would run the country for the benefit of the party and not the citizens. This did not last long. It is amusing to see what was launched at opponents back then, nothing was sacred not even the wives.
All I know is we need to get it right this time, something that has not happened in a long time, before it is to late.
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A Carson / Rubio ticket is the Repubs best chance at taking back the White house.
rubio is a plant for the demos and un. he has castro communist cuba leanings. it always takes a few generations in a family to change ways. he is first gen I believe. (Rubio proposes to be the candidate of the future with this brand-new idea: mass immigration!) Someone needs to tell Marco that every election is about the future, not just this one. It was also the slogan for every high school graduation and prom -- circa 1999. We have now had the fourth straight Republican debate in which Rubio was not asked one question about his single legislative accomplishment: Passing amnesty in the U.S. Senate. Rubio was Sen. Chuck Schumer's patsy on the job-killing amnesty bill. He voted for the job-killing -- and widely hated -- Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal. In a debate on economics, he did not get a question on either one. Having actually asked Rubio a tough question once, Jorge Ramos remains the only immigrant willing to do a job Americans just won't do: Ask Marco Rubio a serious question. Rubio was practically taunting the moderators to bring up immigration with him. -- He complained about the big banks hiring "the fanciest law firm in Washington or the best lobbying firm to deal with all these regulations." A guy whose entire career has been dedicated to giving cheap labor to employers while driving down American wages should steer clear of complaining about "special interests." It's like a hooker complaining about promiscuity. -- He said the "problem is that today people are not successful working as hard as ever because the economy is not providing jobs that pay enough." I wonder if the dump of millions of low-wage foreign workers on our country has anything to do with that? -- He gave a brave little speech announcing his opposition to jihadists -- setting him apart from everyone else on that stage, who LOVES Islamic jihadists! -- and claimed that radical terrorist groups "recruit Americans using social media." No, Marco, ISIS doesn't recruit "Americans" on social media. It recruits immigrants and their children -- whom you want to import more of, by the way. Given his record, it's too late for Rubio to take America's side on immigration. But it's still amazing that only Ted Cruz is smart enough to adopt Trump's runaway, most popular position. http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2015-11-11.html |
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If you vote for Trump, you are voting for someone that you absolutely KNOW is an egomaniacal blowhard with a bad temper who cannot handle criticism of any kind. Of course he "doesn't care what people think, doesn't care about being politically correct, etc" He's insane. Insane people don't worry about crap like that.
Ever date a crazy girl? It was a lot of fun at first, wasn't it? She would say or do anything and didn't care what anyone thought. Then the fun was over and the high speed monorail to Wackjob Mountian started to pull out of the station. Crazy people aren't good for you in the long run.
For those of you who say that you don't like him and don't support him but would still vote for him if he got the nomination...WTF?
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« Reply #31 on: November 13, 2015, 09:20:47 PM » |
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For those of you who say that you don't like him and don't support him but would still vote for him if he got the nomination...WTF?
Pretty straight forward... Trump is a nut case with delusions of grandeur... He's dangerous as hell... ...and he's STILL 100 times safer, more reasonable and respectable than Hillary or Bernie... No hyperbole involved, Hillary or Sanders would be just that bad that we'd rather have a bad attitude quick to anger petty and vindictive man-child over any of the alternatives from the other side. |
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Never ask a geek 'Why?',just nod your head and slowly back away... IBA# 22107 VRCC# 7976 VRCCDS# 226 1998 Valkyrie Standard 2008 Gold Wing Taxation is theft. μολὼν λαβέ |
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Jess from VA
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« Reply #32 on: November 14, 2015, 10:30:17 AM » |
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For those of you who say that you don't like him and don't support him but would still vote for him if he got the nomination...WTF?
Pretty straight forward... Trump is a nut case with delusions of grandeur... He's dangerous as hell... ...and he's STILL 100 times safer, more reasonable and respectable than Hillary or Bernie... No hyperbole involved, Hillary or Sanders would be just that bad that we'd rather have a bad attitude quick to anger petty and vindictive man-child over any of the alternatives from the other side. Concur without reservation.  (I don't think he's dangerous as hell. He blows hard, but also has a clear history of hiring the best talent he can find to support his goals. I think he can take (good) advice.) With his mass deportation comments (more blowing), his polls just jumped up.....right after Paris. |
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