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98valk
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« on: November 20, 2015, 03:15:15 AM »

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/lets-send-our-gun-packing-watercooler-warriors-to-fight-isis-2015-11-20?dist=beforebell

Most gun owners know they have a constitutional right to “keep and bear arms,” but they may not realize the government also has a constitutional right to draft them to serve in the country’s defense.

The Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep arms to maintain a “well-regulated militia” for the security of the state, meaning a force of citizen-soldiers that the federal government can send into battle. Anyone availing themselves of the right to keep and bear arms is thereby making themselves available for the militia.

Presumably the National Rifle Association is reminding its members of that fact right now.

While there is some debate about whether the right to keep and bear arms applies only when serving in the militia, no one disputes that it at least applies when serving.

The idea of drafting gun owners and sending them to war might sound controversial today, but it would not be to the Founding Fathers. It’s exactly what they recommended. They believed in citizen-soldiers rather than a professional army. Indeed, that’s the whole point of the second amendment — a point that often is conveniently forgotten when the subject comes up.

What the Founding Fathers meant by a “well-regulated militia” is not open to serious dispute, as they spelled it out in their writings at the time. They meant a properly trained, ordered and disciplined military force, but one consisting of part-time citizen-soldiers rather than professionals. It’s effectively what we call the National Guard today.
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« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2015, 04:06:29 AM »

An ignorant liberal writer.......who would have thunk it?  crazy2

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« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2015, 05:02:11 AM »

I'll go.  cooldude
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« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2015, 05:08:51 AM »

That's the dumbest thing I have ever heard!  Of course they would have to violate the law by maintaining a national registry of gun owners to know who to call up
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« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2015, 05:16:40 AM »

I'm 60, I don't currently own a gun, I'll serve! Myabe not on the front lines with my two bad knees, but I'd report in a second if called.
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« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2015, 05:28:35 AM »

Funny how ignorant the ignorant really are about the 2A. I suppose they've never heard of, or purposely ignore, D.C v. Heller in 2008 & SCOTUS affirming that ruling in 2010.

 "It is clear that the Framers . . . counted the right to keep and bear arms among those fundamental rights necessary to our system of ordered liberty."

"the Second Amendment protects a personal right to keep and bear arms for lawful purposes, most notably for self-defense within the home."

As far as "drafting" a militia into service....I would venture that the overwhelming majority of law abiding citizens that exercise their 2A rights are more than willing to defend their country to the death in order to preserve those rights for their progeny and future generations.
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« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2015, 05:32:30 AM »

Essesentially 100% of that is wrong! Supreme court said so. Old liberal, anti gun rhetoric, that 2nd amendment only applies to, and means, "Natl Guard"

Load of bumkim.
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« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2015, 07:45:19 AM »

Does anyone really think drafting a bunch of fat out of shape short tempered Social Security recipients is a good idea. 
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« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2015, 07:53:06 AM »

Does anyone really think drafting a bunch of fat out of shape short tempered Social Security recipients is a good idea. 

Researchers say 18-year-olds think about sex every 10 seconds. Old guys only think about sex a couple of times a day, leaving us more than 28,000 additional seconds per day to concentrate on the enemy.

Young guys haven't lived long enough to be cranky, and a cranky soldier is a dangerous soldier. If we can't kill the enemy we'll complain them into submission.

"My back hurts!" "I'm hungry!"
"Where's the remote control?"

An 18-year-old hasn't had a legal beer yet and you shouldn't go to war until you're at least old enough to legally drink. An average old guy, on the other hand, has consumed 126,000 gallons of beer by the time he's 35 and a jaunt through the desert heat with a backpack and M-60 would do wonders for the old beer belly. An 18-year-old doesn't like to get up before 10 a.m.. Old guys get up early every morning to pee.

If old guys are captured we couldn't spill the beans because we'd probably forget where we put them. In fact, name, rank, and serial number would be a real brainteaser.

Boot camp would actually be easier for old guys. We're used to getting screamed and yelled at and we actually like soft food. We've also developed a deep appreciation for guns and rifles. We like them almost better than naps.

They could lighten up on the obstacle course however..

I've been in combat and I didn't see a single 20-foot wall with rope hanging over the side, nor did I ever do any pushups after completing basic training. I can hear the Drill Sergeant now, "Get down and give me...er...one."

And the running part is kind of a waste of energy. I've never seen anyone outrun a bullet.

An 18-year-old has the whole world ahead of him. He's still learning to shave, to actually carry on a conversation, and to wear pants without the top of his butt crack showing and his boxer shorts sticking out. He still hasn't figured out that a pierced tongue catches food particles, and that a 400-watt speaker in the back seat of a Honda Accord can rupture an eardrum.

All great reasons to keep our sons at home to learn a little more about life before sending them off to possible death.

Let us old guys track down those dirty rotten cowards. The last thing the enemy would want to see right now is a couple of million old goats with attitudes.

(I didn't write this, it's an old joke that's been floating around for a while)
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« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2015, 08:19:23 AM »

Does anyone really think drafting a bunch of fat out of shape short tempered Social Security recipients is a good idea. 

Researchers say 18-year-olds think about sex every 10 seconds. Old guys only think about sex a couple of times a day, leaving us more than 28,000 additional seconds per day to concentrate on the enemy.

Young guys haven't lived long enough to be cranky, and a cranky soldier is a dangerous soldier. If we can't kill the enemy we'll complain them into submission.

"My back hurts!" "I'm hungry!"
"Where's the remote control?"

An 18-year-old hasn't had a legal beer yet and you shouldn't go to war until you're at least old enough to legally drink. An average old guy, on the other hand, has consumed 126,000 gallons of beer by the time he's 35 and a jaunt through the desert heat with a backpack and M-60 would do wonders for the old beer belly. An 18-year-old doesn't like to get up before 10 a.m.. Old guys get up early every morning to pee.

If old guys are captured we couldn't spill the beans because we'd probably forget where we put them. In fact, name, rank, and serial number would be a real brainteaser.

Boot camp would actually be easier for old guys. We're used to getting screamed and yelled at and we actually like soft food. We've also developed a deep appreciation for guns and rifles. We like them almost better than naps.

They could lighten up on the obstacle course however..

I've been in combat and I didn't see a single 20-foot wall with rope hanging over the side, nor did I ever do any pushups after completing basic training. I can hear the Drill Sergeant now, "Get down and give me...er...one."

And the running part is kind of a waste of energy. I've never seen anyone outrun a bullet.

An 18-year-old has the whole world ahead of him. He's still learning to shave, to actually carry on a conversation, and to wear pants without the top of his butt crack showing and his boxer shorts sticking out. He still hasn't figured out that a pierced tongue catches food particles, and that a 400-watt speaker in the back seat of a Honda Accord can rupture an eardrum.

All great reasons to keep our sons at home to learn a little more about life before sending them off to possible death.

Let us old guys track down those dirty rotten cowards. The last thing the enemy would want to see right now is a couple of million old goats with attitudes.

(I didn't write this, it's an old joke that's been floating around for a while)
Regardless of who wrote it, glad you posted this...a couple of real good belly laughs in there - perfect way to start a Friday morning in the office  2funny Not only that, most if not all of it is true, and a perfect example of using humor to discuss a very serious issue. I would like to think that most civilized citizens would stand up if counted upon - regardless of their capabilities  cooldude
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« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2015, 08:28:43 AM »

Let us old guys track down those dirty rotten cowards. The last thing the enemy would want to see right now is a couple of million old goats with attitudes.
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Yep, thats my point. Old farts with bad attitudes aren't about to screw around, they'll just start raising hell.  Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2015, 01:51:41 PM »

Paraphrasing a movie line-let's run down into that valley and kill some terrorists sez the young private to which the old gnarly Sargent sez-load up-chamber a round-now let's walk down and kill them all. ANYTIME I see gun grabbers spewing their foul agenda I think of 2 things-bullets first and cold dead hands. Might not be able to run much anymore BUT I can still walk and shoot. RIDE SAFE.
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« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2015, 01:59:05 PM »

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/lets-send-our-gun-packing-watercooler-warriors-to-fight-isis-2015-11-20?dist=beforebell

Most gun owners know they have a constitutional right to “keep and bear arms,” but they may not realize the government also has a constitutional right to draft them to serve in the country’s defense.

The Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep arms to maintain a “well-regulated militia” for the security of the state, meaning a force of citizen-soldiers that the federal government can send into battle. Anyone availing themselves of the right to keep and bear arms is thereby making themselves available for the militia.

Presumably the National Rifle Association is reminding its members of that fact right now.

While there is some debate about whether the right to keep and bear arms applies only when serving in the militia, no one disputes that it at least applies when serving.

The idea of drafting gun owners and sending them to war might sound controversial today, but it would not be to the Founding Fathers. It’s exactly what they recommended. They believed in citizen-soldiers rather than a professional army. Indeed, that’s the whole point of the second amendment — a point that often is conveniently forgotten when the subject comes up.

What the Founding Fathers meant by a “well-regulated militia” is not open to serious dispute, as they spelled it out in their writings at the time. They meant a properly trained, ordered and disciplined military force, but one consisting of part-time citizen-soldiers rather than professionals. It’s effectively what we call the National Guard today.



Ya might want to use quotes when you quote something.  I thought for more than a second, YOU are an idiot and a lefty.
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