And we still can't say its terrorism

[Chrisj CMA]

So the husband and wife team armed with AR,s and handguns and wearing body armour, car packed with pipe bombs.  They are muslim and recently traveled to Saudi Arabia (theres a clue) Their home was a bomb making factory and filled with more weapons and ammunition.  They had a plan and carried it out.

14 people dead.  This is terrorism!  But we won't actually say it, still too PC for that

[Serk]

...the Clock Boy Project was evidently a success...

"A man who has been working in the area said he noticed a half-dozen Middle Eastern men in the area in recent weeks, but decided not to report anything since he did not wish to racially profile those people."


Source: http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2015/12/02/authorities-search-redlands-home-tied-to-suspect-syed-farook/

[Chrisj CMA]

The smoke hasn't even cleared and Obama and Clinton are already calling for more gun control.  Laws won't stop terrorists, and more gun free zones will only add up to more dead innocent
People

[musclehead]

do we have to point out to Hill that Cali is already a pretty strict gun law state?

[Chrisj CMA]

do we have to point out to Hill that Cali is already a pretty strict gun law state?

It's not consistent with progressive agendas for American citizens to have guns.  They won't stop until all guns are confiscated (which will never happen) so its going to be a long fight

[Patrick]

Facts ! We don't need no stinking facts !

hillary is out yelling and ranting about more gun control, how bad the republicans are, and, people are standing in line cheering waiting to listen to her.

Some one brought up the dumbing of America, this is classic.

[firea100]

I can't believe they're calling for MORE gun control. Just dumb...

[dinosnake]

14 people dead.  This is terrorism!  But we won't actually say it, still too PC for that

Honest question then:

If 14 people dead is "terrorism" then why shouldn't, why can't, we apply the word "terrorism" to non-Muslims who go out in mass-killing shooting rampages within our own country?

Or we can't actually say that, too?

A Muslim killing people is "terrorism" but a white kid killing people is a "rampage".  I'm so tired of the double standards that often rear their heads in our society.

[Serk]

14 people dead.  This is terrorism!  But we won't actually say it, still too PC for that

Honest question then:

If 14 people dead is "terrorism" then why shouldn't, why can't, we apply the word "terrorism" to non-Muslims who go out in mass-killing shooting rampages within our own country?

Or we can't actually say that, too?

A Muslim killing people is "terrorism" but a white kid killing people is a "rampage".  I'm so tired of the double standards that often rear their heads in our society.

ter·ror·ism
ˈterəˌrizəm/
noun
the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political or religious aims.

A white kid who snaps and goes on a killing spree isn't generally doing it for some greater goal "in pursuit of political or religious aims". Historically, Muslims who do this, especially when it's well planned out, organized, with multiple actors and possibly support personnel as well, are doing this not because they snapped or are temporarily crazy, but to further their political or religious aims.

That's the difference.

If a white Christian NRA member went out and killed 14 people to make a statement against gun control, besides being terribly ironic and counter productive, that WOULD be terrorism, but that hasn't happened.

A white maybe Christian that placed a truck bomb outside of a building in Oklahoma City was a terrorist, even though he was white and not Muslim.

See the difference?

[Valkorado]

I'm hearing they've found a veritable bomb making factory at the lovely couple's place.  Definitely just workplace violence.   

They had a six month old and lived with their sweet grandma.  Lets bring in many more innocent widows with children and play our odds.   

[solo1]

 
A Muslim killing people is "terrorism" but a white kid killing people is a "rampage". QUOTE by Dinosnake.

    In case that you haven't noticed, Isis , a Muslin organization, has declared war on us.  Two Muslims were involved in the CA shooting. If it looks like a duck, it walks like a duck, and it quacks like a duck, it must be a duck.

I'll grant you that ANY acts like this are terrorism to the persons on the scene.  The Media is known to invent their own words so they use words like 'rampage', "act of violence", "nut job", "gun nuts", etc.

What is hard to understand is the Feds reluctance to use the word 'terrorism"   We live in a PC world that will eventually be our undoing, unless we change.

[Alpha Dog]

I'm hearing they've found a veritable bomb making factory at the lovely couple's place.  Definitely just workplace violence.   

They had a six month old and lived with their sweet grandma.  Lets bring in many more innocent widows with children and play our odds.   

Rand Paul is introducing a bill this afternoon, I think attaching it to the Continuing resolution bill that would place a moratorium on all further immigration and visas from the 37 countries that allow the radical islamic ( see I can state it ) groups to foster.  Seems like a good start.  Doub't anything comes of it - at least now.
Chuck

[Gryphon Rider]

14 people dead.  This is terrorism!  But we won't actually say it, still too PC for that

Honest question then:

If 14 people dead is "terrorism" then why shouldn't, why can't, we apply the word "terrorism" to non-Muslims who go out in mass-killing shooting rampages within our own country?

Or we can't actually say that, too?

A Muslim killing people is "terrorism" but a white kid killing people is a "rampage".  I'm so tired of the double standards that often rear their heads in our society.

There is a difference: the intended effect on the general population.  Someone on a rampage intends to have revenge on those who slighted him, and if he survives, wants people to be afraid of slighting him again.  Often rampagers are suffering from mental health issues so they have a distorted perception of reality (although that doesn't relieve them of moral responsibility in many (most?) cases).  A terrorist intends to make the general population or a specific population live in fear, so that they have to make changes to their routine and become hesitant or fearful to act against the interests of the group that the terrorists represent.  There is also the implied threat that there are more of them that are willing to do something equally or more terrifying.

[Serk]

What is hard to understand is the Feds reluctance to use the word 'terrorism"   We live in a PC world that will eventually be our undoing, unless we change.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3waoRks-WE

Wow... just... wow... He can't say it...

[Patrick]

He can't say it, well, some others can't say it either.

[solo1]

I'll say one thing for the POTUS, he sure is calm, detached, and unshakeable.

Reminds me of the definition of a theorytician.  One who assumes everything but responsibility.

[baldo]

He probably doesn't want to go through more Benghazi-like BS. Believe it or not, I agree that it was clearly a terrorist act.

[Jess from VA]

Zero reminds me of Chatty Cathy...... every time his string is pulled, he spouts off his lies and horseshit about reasonable gun control.  Which when you look at the substance is the same old stuff aimed only at law abiding gun owners that would not have stopped (or slowed) any of these shootings.

The festering idiot can jam his thousands of Islamic immigrants up his hind end sideways. 

[Valker]

14 people dead.  This is terrorism!  But we won't actually say it, still too PC for that

Honest question then:

If 14 people dead is "terrorism" then why shouldn't, why can't, we apply the word "terrorism" to non-Muslims who go out in mass-killing shooting rampages within our own country?

Or we can't actually say that, too?

A Muslim killing people is "terrorism" but a white kid killing people is a "rampage".  I'm so tired of the double standards that often rear their heads in our society.

Ever hear of Timothy McVeigh????

[baldo]

Zero reminds me of Chatty Cathy...... every time his string is pulled, he spouts off his lies and horseshit about reasonable gun control.  Which when you look at the substance is the same old stuff aimed only at law abiding gun owners that would not have stopped (or slowed) any of these shootings.

The festering idiot can jam his thousands of Islamic immigrants up his hind end sideways. 

Well, that accelerated quickly.....

[old2soon]

TERRORIST TERROISM I have like NO problem using the actual words. I also DO NOT care what color your skin is or what your religious beliefs are-you start mowing people down in schools public buildings etc etc you ARE a TERRORIST. And in my mind you also have become-fair game-you made yourself a TARGET. Even the "newscasters" on a b c last night while this current shooting was still active were calling for more gun control!  I THOUGHT the "newscasters" were supposed to be unbiased.  And the rectal orifices in deception central sure ain't letting this current crisis go to waste-is they??  RIDE SAFE.

[Crackerborn]

So following ABC and others logic, we should have tighter controls on pipe bomb building material also.  Forget indoor plumbing now folks since licensed plumbers sure can't be trusted with pipe.

[DirtyDan]

im a pipefitter that leaves me in deep.......

well that's ok I do plumbing also 

dan

[Master Blaster]

While we are on the subject, isn't Radical Islamic terrorist a little redundant???  Or is there different levels of terrorism, I would think any terrorist act is radical.  If he is just an Islamic terrorist, is he a better person than a Radical Islamic terrorist???  Wasn't this a Christmas celebration that was attacked, would it have happened if they were more PC and held a Holiday celebration???

[Skinhead]

How much more gun control in Californistan is it going to take to stop these Terrorist/workplace violence (you choose whichever you think is appropriate) events?

I thought they had already outlawed or banned those scary black guns.  (that's a color, I don't want anyone thinking I'm bringing race into this, we have several members that like to play the race card and think all skinheads are racists).

This was a tragic event, I'm very sorry for the families of the victims.  I'm sure that our LEOs feel much better now that Oshithead has called back the Military assault vehicles and equipment that they were joyriding around in abusing their authority, perpetrating the oppression of all law abiding protesters by the man!  At least now there won't be another Ferguson.  Right?  Good call Barry!

I certainly hope our LEOs aren't called on to stop the next slaughter by allegedly peaceful muslims where there enough bad guy to repel the assault by the LEOs trying to save victims, because now they can only rely on body armor to protect them.

I can't wait for November '16.

[dreamaker]

First off, what difference does it make what you call it, or what label you put on it. 14 people are dead and labels won't bring them back. I would think, that mass murder would be terrorism, no matter what religion or nationality they are, again people are dead. I wish people would get over these fashion statement and just do their job, we don't need to know all the details, unless we are involved, or can contribute to national safety.

[Chrisj CMA]

The big difference is we have an active WAR on terrorism.  The sooner we pull our head out our 4th point of contact the sooner we can make progress towards identifimg and eliminating these scumbags

These were radical Muslims killing their swarn enimy the great satin.  There were signs they were up to evil, its just not accepted to call a Muslim terrorists a Muslim terrorist.

I guess we don't want to hurt their feelings

[Moonshot_1]

First off, what difference does it make what you call it, or what label you put on it. 14 people are dead and labels won't bring them back. I would think, that mass murder would be terrorism, no matter what religion or nationality they are, again people are dead. I wish people would get over these fashion statement and just do their job, we don't need to know all the details, unless we are involved, or can contribute to national safety.

if you look at this as a "mass murder" event, it is over. The perpetrators have been killed. There is no more to this.

If you look at this as a "Terrorist" event, it is not over. Two of the perpetrators have been killed. There are others that likely were complicant in acquiring weapons, transportation, and such things. It is likely that those who were complicant in this event may be engineering other future events. To continue to pursue this, to discover and uncover terrorist cells and networks will save lives in the future.

That's the difference.

[Gryphon Rider]

These were radical Muslims killing their swarn enimy the great satin.

Does this guy in his great satin need to worry?  

[dreamaker]

First off, what difference does it make what you call it, or what label you put on it. 14 people are dead and labels won't bring them back. I would think, that mass murder would be terrorism, no matter what religion or nationality they are, again people are dead. I wish people would get over these fashion statement and just do their job, we don't need to know all the details, unless we are involved, or can contribute to national safety.

if you look at this as a "mass murder" event, it is over. The perpetrators have been killed. There is no more to this.

If you look at this as a "Terrorist" event, it is not over. Two of the perpetrators have been killed. There are others that likely were complicant in acquiring weapons, transportation, and such things. It is likely that those who were complicant in this event may be engineering other future events. To continue to pursue this, to discover and uncover terrorist cells and networks will save lives in the future.

That's the difference.

Lets look at Manson Family, or cartel, or mafia, its the same scenario, people die and it don't stop. OK! Are they terrorist? People are dead!  Labels don't mean anything, just get the job done, and forget the drama.

[Chrisj CMA]

First off, what difference does it make what you call it, or what label you put on it. 14 people are dead and labels won't bring them back. I would think, that mass murder would be terrorism, no matter what religion or nationality they are, again people are dead. I wish people would get over these fashion statement and just do their job, we don't need to know all the details, unless we are involved, or can contribute to national safety.

if you look at this as a "mass murder" event, it is over. The perpetrators have been killed. There is no more to this.

If you look at this as a "Terrorist" event, it is not over. Two of the perpetrators have been killed. There are others that likely were complicant in acquiring weapons, transportation, and such things. It is likely that those who were complicant in this event may be engineering other future events. To continue to pursue this, to discover and uncover terrorist cells and networks will save lives in the future.

That's the difference.

Lets look at Manson Family, or cartel, or mafia, its the same scenario, people die and it don't stop. OK! Are they terrorist? People are dead!  Labels don't mean anything, just get the job done, and forget the drama.

Depending on what you define as the "job". If the problem is terrorism, then no additional gun control laws are going to work. 

What we need is monitoring of all Muslims here on a visa, and all people that travel to Muslim countries that even might be able to teach terror tactics.  No concern for racial profiling........if you are Muslim and not a U S citizen we should be all up in your business.  Anything " hinky" and home you go to wherever you came from after a DNA, fingerprint, photo and whatever else we need to identify you and make sure you are not permitted back

[old2soon]

a b c news AGAIN tonight was giving hints/advice/tutorial on how you should act ifyu have n active shooter in your work place school mall etc. Hide lock doors go for a marked exit and some other dreck I went REALLY??!! NO once in this idiotic suggestions did they say pull your weapon and fire at the perps.  NOT ONCE!!  cursed fine Americans leading fine Americans. RIDE SAFE.

[..]

The male Muslim terrorist was born in Chicago.

[dreamaker]

First off, what difference does it make what you call it, or what label you put on it. 14 people are dead and labels won't bring them back. I would think, that mass murder would be terrorism, no matter what religion or nationality they are, again people are dead. I wish people would get over these fashion statement and just do their job, we don't need to know all the details, unless we are involved, or can contribute to national safety.

if you look at this as a "mass murder" event, it is over. The perpetrators have been killed. There is no more to this.

If you look at this as a "Terrorist" event, it is not over. Two of the perpetrators have been killed. There are others that likely were complicant in acquiring weapons, transportation, and such things. It is likely that those who were complicant in this event may be engineering other future events. To continue to pursue this, to discover and uncover terrorist cells and networks will save lives in the future.

That's the difference.

Lets look at Manson Family, or cartel, or mafia, its the same scenario, people die and it don't stop. OK! Are they terrorist? People are dead!  Labels don't mean anything, just get the job done, and forget the drama.

Depending on what you define as the "job". If the problem is terrorism, then no additional gun control laws are going to work. 

What we need is monitoring of all Muslims here on a visa, and all people that travel to Muslim countries that even might be able to teach terror tactics.  No concern for racial profiling........if you are Muslim and not a U S citizen we should be all up in your business.  Anything " hinky" and home you go to wherever you came from after a DNA, fingerprint, photo and whatever else we need to identify you and make sure you are not permitted back

Don't forget the home grown idiots we have, which are sympathizers and not necessarily Muslim. But just a dangerous, because they are want-ta-bes, so they will try harder to impress.

[Chrisj CMA]

The male Muslim terrorist was born in Chicago.

Ok, but as soon as he married a Muslim from Saudi, then traveled there.......we should have been watching him, then when his neighbors thought he was up to no good, they should have felt comfortable reporting him.  However, our overly PC government has gotten people scared to be labeled a racist

[Serk]

48 hours ago that couple were moderate Muslims.

[MP]

California has some of the strictist gun laws in the US.

Paris and France have even stricter laws, I hear.

Should have not happened.

Msnbc asked omalloy that, he was bragging about tough gun laws he passed as gov.

Question was, why did it happen in California, with their tough laws. He totally dodged the question, and talked about leadership.

[Raider]

14 people dead.  This is terrorism!  But we won't actually say it, still too PC for that

Honest question then:

If 14 people dead is "terrorism" then why shouldn't, why can't, we apply the word "terrorism" to non-Muslims who go out in mass-killing shooting rampages within our own country?

Or we can't actually say that, too?

A Muslim killing people is "terrorism" but a white kid killing people is a "rampage".  I'm so tired of the double standards that often rear their heads in our society.

ter·ror·ism
ˈterəˌrizəm/
noun
the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political or religious aims.

A white kid who snaps and goes on a killing spree isn't generally doing it for some greater goal "in pursuit of political or religious aims". Historically, Muslims who do this, especially when it's well planned out, organized, with multiple actors and possibly support personnel as well, are doing this not because they snapped or are temporarily crazy, but to further their political or religious aims.

That's the difference.

If a white Christian NRA member went out and killed 14 people to make a statement against gun control, besides being terribly ironic and counter productive, that WOULD be terrorism, but that hasn't happened.

A white maybe Christian that placed a truck bomb outside of a building in Oklahoma City was a terrorist, even though he was white and not Muslim.

See the difference?

LOL!  Those pesky definitions!  I hate it when i try to make a PC point and those dang definitions ruin my point.

[dinosnake]

14 people dead.  This is terrorism!  But we won't actually say it, still too PC for that

Honest question then:

If 14 people dead is "terrorism" then why shouldn't, why can't, we apply the word "terrorism" to non-Muslims who go out in mass-killing shooting rampages within our own country?

Or we can't actually say that, too?

A Muslim killing people is "terrorism" but a white kid killing people is a "rampage".  I'm so tired of the double standards that often rear their heads in our society.

ter·ror·ism
ˈterəˌrizəm/
noun
the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political or religious aims.

A white kid who snaps and goes on a killing spree isn't generally doing it for some greater goal "in pursuit of political or religious aims". Historically, Muslims who do this, especially when it's well planned out, organized, with multiple actors and possibly support personnel as well, are doing this not because they snapped or are temporarily crazy, but to further their political or religious aims.

That's the difference.

If a white Christian NRA member went out and killed 14 people to make a statement against gun control, besides being terribly ironic and counter productive, that WOULD be terrorism, but that hasn't happened.

A white maybe Christian that placed a truck bomb outside of a building in Oklahoma City was a terrorist, even though he was white and not Muslim.

See the difference?

Thanks, yes I do see the difference!  When you invade a foreign country, based on made-up "facts", for the purpose of political change, that's not "terrorism" as seen from the invaded eyes, is it?  Nope, nope.

[Jess from VA]

Some people.... you can never reach.    (Cool Hand Luke)