And we still can't say its terrorism

[baldo]

These were radical Muslims killing their swarn enimy the great satin.

Does this guy in his great satin need to worry?  

Not unless he's a Muslin.....

[Jess from VA]

Back on topic, more facts are being released.

This occurred at a social service center for the disabled, where about 75 of Farook's co-workers had gathered Wednesday morning.  Farook had attended the event, but slipped out and returned in battle dress (with his wife).  They fired some 75 rounds killing people at the Center (but were carrying many more magazines and had 1500 rounds in the SUV).  They left behind a triple pipe bomb on remote control (very much like the Tsarnaev brothers used), presumably to hit the cops and EMT with after their escape.  If they intended the bomb for the Center people, why not blow it as soon as you hit the door (or just keep shooting)?  They are caught 2.5 miles from the Center.  One wonders if they had intended to get away, or dawdled around to get caught, or kept closeby trying to push the detonator which failed (the Bomb guys are still working on it).  When they do get caught, he's driving and she is shooting out the back of the moving SUV.  They shoot 76 more rounds, and the cops shoot 380 (with no reports of any collateral damage - well done!!).  At their home in Redlands, they had 12 pipe bombs, tools for making more, and over 3,000 more rounds.  They began erasing their digital footprint a day in advance of the attack, deleting email accounts, disposing of hard drives and smashing their cellphones.  Farook had been in contact with known Islamic extremists on social media, a U.S. intelligence official said Thursday.  

No HR or any work-related issues of any kind with him as a health inspector have even been mentioned. He was US born and raised (which is disturbing), she a Paki on a good green card (and may have been the Mata Harii, who knows), but they visited Saudi twice.

They're trying real hard to see if they can't pin it on something else, but if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a Terrorist of the Islamic Persuasion duck.


  

[Xtracho]

The fact that this scumbag was US born is confirmation of ISIS' success at utilizing electronic media and social networking to radicalize and recruit. The trips to Saudi Arabia? Before or after the radicalization? That is something that I imagine will be determined as the investigation continues. Law enforcement, along with media outlets, confirm that the pipe bombs were built to specs laid out in the ISIS magazine "Inspire".

And even more disturbing to me is the fact that this attack was perpetrated just a few days after ISIS claimed it already had dozens of "soldiers" in the USA and were waiting on the order to attack.

Before the blood was cold on the floor the left was trotting out their mantra of more gun control to solve the problem and mocking those that were requesting prayers for the victims and their families. Oh, and let's not forget their distracting tactic to vilify the NRA and all lawful gun owners as well. Never mind that California has the strictest anti-gun laws in the nation.

[Chrisj CMA]

The point here is plain to see, our resident Muslim "president" said it before and now he's doing it...standing with Islam before standing for America.

This threat to our nation should have been impeached long ago, its not too late to impeach him and lock him up in Gitmo for 20years to life.

[dreamaker]

Something I don't understand!  The information you guys have obtained, seems reasonable. Now if your trying to maintain a successful investigation, why do you tell the world what you are doing, you know what I mean. The bad guys have TV's too, if they understand your movements and strategies because you publicly explain them, how do you expect to catch them. I never understood the media concept of, so called our right to know. The offenders are secretive, and we the supposedly the good guys, just blurt out everything so the offenders know how to avoid detection. I don't get it!!!! Is drama more important than the right to live???

[Chrisj CMA]

Something I don't understand!  The information you guys have obtained, seems reasonable. Now if your trying to maintain a successful investigation, why do you tell the world what you are doing, you know what I mean. The bad guys have TV's too, if they understand your movements and strategies because you publicly explain them, how do you expect to catch them. I never understood the media concept of, so called our right to know. The offenders are secretive, and we the supposedly the good guys, just blurt out everything so the offenders know how to avoid detection. I don't get it!!!! Is drama more important than the right to live???

I think it is as simple as $$ the media is not responsible for stopping crime, they care about ratings, people want drama........there ya go

[baldo]

The point here is plain to see, our resident Muslim "president" said it before and now he's doing it...standing with Islam before standing for America.

This threat to our nation should have been impeached long ago, its not too late to impeach him and lock him up in Gitmo for 20years to life.

wow

[dinosnake]

The point here is plain to see, our resident Muslim "president" said it before and now he's doing it...standing with Islam before standing for America.

This threat to our nation should have been impeached long ago, its not too late to impeach him and lock him up in Gitmo for 20years to life.

wow

Come on, you can do better than that.  It's another bat-shaite crazy statement of fear, about the fact that our president is not 'one of the good ol' boys' (wink wink).  He doesn't look like us...so he can't be like us, so he's someone that must be against us!  Ahhhhhhh!!  Run!!! 

[FLAVALK]

Thanks, yes I do see the difference!  When you invade a foreign country, based on made-up "facts", for the purpose of political change, that's not "terrorism" as seen from the invaded eyes, is it?  Nope, nope.

Liberals are hopeless 

[CaribouHunter]

Breaking News!  According to the media, the shooters were white Mormons, who watched a video, and then spontaneously murdered 14 people and wounded 21 more, caused by man-made global warming.  That's all you need to know.  It definitely was not muslim terrorists killing Christians at a Christmas party. 

[dinosnake]

Thanks, yes I do see the difference!  When you invade a foreign country, based on made-up "facts", for the purpose of political change, that's not "terrorism" as seen from the invaded eyes, is it?  Nope, nope.

Liberals are hopeless 

Oh, please.  The only thing that's "hopeless" is for conservatives to admit their self-righteous double standards.  Note that the United States never officially classified the IRA as a terrorist organization during the worst of their actions, the Troubles, and therefore never had any restrictions on the movements of Irish citizens in and out of this country.  Why?  White and Christian, of course, regardless of the fact that, internally, the U.K. considered them terrorists on their own soil.  They were responsible for bombings and killings of civilian, law enforcement and political individuals.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_Irish_Republican_Army

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuity_Irish_Republican_Army

All the actions that Muslim radicals are guilty of.  It took the United States until 2004 to actually decide - have the backbone - to agree with the U.K.'s classification and officially consider them a terrorist organization.  Let's say that year again, 2004

Yet, here are the Muslims, doing the same thing...and now calls of requiring governmental registration, tracking their movements, maybe preventing them from coming into the country.

Oh no, but that's NOT a double standard!  We're just protecting ourselves!  It's a totally different thing!

[Valkorado]

Come on, you can do better than that.  It's another bat-shaite crazy statement of fear, about the fact that our president is not 'one of the good ol' boys' (wink wink).  He doesn't look like us...so he can't be like us, so he's someone that must be against us!  Ahhhhhhh!!  Run!!!  

BTW dino I don't know where Hussein Obama was born.  It sure bothers me that he, like many other seemingly intelligent Americans, is "stading with the Muslims".  Even the ones he can't bring himself to call terrorists.

And, no shooting up abortion clinics -- or any place for that matter -- isn't acceptable to any law abiding American on any level; hope the white American, Christian (?) gun owner gets what's coming to him.

Have a great day!

[signart]

It's not as complicated as one might want to believe.
They were both simply good muslims, practicing their faith.

[..]

Dina Temple Raston from NPR is saying the cause for the murders could be

a) The muslim terrorist (my words) was picked on
b) Because there are some white supremacists groups in San Bernadino

Let's divert, deflect and deny

[old2soon]

Dina Temple Raston from NPR is saying the cause for the murders could be

a) The muslim terrorist (my words) was picked on
b) Because there are some white supremacists groups in San Bernadino

Let's divert, deflect and deny

       AND AND let's blame the gun/weapon/assault rifle NOT the people with their finger on the trigger(s). Or with their finger on the bomb bang switch. And under NO circumstances use the phrase-MOOSLIM TERROIST(S).  All better now. RIDE SAFE.

[Chrisj CMA]

How could these loving people that according to our president have a rich history here in America be guilty of such violence....they must have been bullied into it and just got good deals on guns and ammo at some gun shows.  Hey lets bring in a few thousand more, what could it hurt

Instead, we should be sending them back home if their papers are out of date or non existent and incarcerating them if they have attended terror training.

Oh, ya that's really out of line.

[..]

Some dem/lib/progs also want anyone on a "terror" watch list to have firearms taken away and no permission to buy.

These are the dem/lib/progs who claim if you are a

Tea Party member or supporter you are a "terrorist"

Who will be branded a "terrorist" next?

[old2soon]

Didn't zero ASSURE us-America-right after Paris there were NO threats of this happening in America? Or did I imagine that assurance from the rectal orifices in deception central?  And a lot of us that have served KNOW  "gun free zone" can and WILL become a kill zone. lf this latest attack proves is what I just stated-gun free zone=kill zone. JUST from the tone of some of the responders  makes me wonder who still drinkin the kool aide?  NO-no wonderment! RIDE SAFE.

[sutterhome]

little gal in vid would say it terrorism

http://newsfoxes.com/2015/12/woman-tears-isis-apart-fiery-video-tells-exactly-expect-fck-americans/

[MP]

CNN said right after, that probably white anti govt group probably responsible, since it was govt office shot up.

They were hoping!

[DirtyDan]

well said MP

dan

[Serk]

Thanks, yes I do see the difference!  When you invade a foreign country, based on made-up "facts", for the purpose of political change, that's not "terrorism" as seen from the invaded eyes, is it?  Nope, nope.

You mean the invasion that Hillary voted to authorize?

(Yeah, I can deflect and topic hop too)

[..]

Hang on just a moment.

I'll bet that the murder location was

a) a bomb free zone
b) a gun free zone

How could such a terrible event take place.

Obama also previously made a claim that "we" shouldn't be scared off widows and orphans.

Please note that some of you need to rein in the rhetoric because you could find yourself in deep poo.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/johnstanton/loretta-lynch-actions-predicated-on-violent-talk-toward-musl#.ifGzQadYo

I feel some on this board would have no compunction in "ratting" others out.

[Daddie O]

I'm wondering why you all aren't up in arms about the guy that shot up Planned Parenthood.  Where are the screams to label him a Radical Christian Terrorist?  He wasn't out for revenge.  He didn't work there and have an argument either.  He killed people based on his Christian beliefs, in order to terrorize the population.  Where are all the Christian priests and ministers coming out in condemnation of that horrific act?  Yeah, that's what I thought, he wasn't brown so it must've just been a "rampage".

This horrific tragedy in San Bernadino, just like almost all mass shootings in America, was done by an American that obtained his gun legally.  Your solution?  We need more guns!  That makes a lot of sense    Maybe if we required every American to have at least 10 guns the problem of gun violence would go away 

Personally, I don't think the solution is banning guns, but I think more rigorous background checks wouldn't hurt.  I think we need to change our culture which glorifies violence, which isn't so easy to do.

[dreamaker]

little gal in vid would say it terrorism

http://newsfoxes.com/2015/12/woman-tears-isis-apart-fiery-video-tells-exactly-expect-fck-americans/

Looking at this video, reminds me of a guy, that use to be in the group we hung out with. He was an OK guy, but seemed to have a hang up about his height, of course he was shorter than us. We would all meet some place on the weekends, to party, now he always had a habit of shooting his mouth off to people, like he was ten feet tall, and get us in to physical situations with others to protecting him, while he sat on his ass safely. So my point is, it easy to do a video, to impress others about what you would do, and sitting home on your ass, while others are feeling the repercussions of your actions. It just like congress all over again. Make sure when you make statement like that, you are on the front line to prove it.

[MP]

I'm wondering why you all aren't up in arms about the guy that shot up Planned Parenthood.  Where are the screams to label him a Radical Christian Terrorist?  He wasn't out for revenge.  He didn't work there and have an argument either.  He killed people based on his Christian beliefs, in order to terrorize the population.  Where are all the Christian priests and ministers coming out in condemnation of that horrific act?  Yeah, that's what I thought, he wasn't brown so it must've just been a "rampage".

This horrific tragedy in San Bernadino, just like almost all mass shootings in America, was done by an American that obtained his gun legally.  Your solution?  We need more guns!  That makes a lot of sense    Maybe if we required every American to have at least 10 guns the problem of gun violence would go away 

Personally, I don't think the solution is banning guns, but I think more rigorous background checks wouldn't hurt.  I think we need to change our culture which glorifies violence, which isn't so easy to do.

Well, sounds like he is certifably looney. Abortion was only mentioned once, along with a bunch of other ramblings. I D O denounce killings at abortion clinics.

10 guns is just a good start!

Notice all these mass shootings occur in gun banned zones? Narrow the list where they are banned, and you narrow the target list. I am comforted when a concealed carry permitee is with me. Liberals seem to be afraid of their fellow citizens.

The vast majority of guns ARE bought under back ground checks. But, for those criminals who would not pass, they go and steal a gun, or buy a stolen one in an alley. Restricting good citizens does not restrict the criminal.

Show me a law that targets criminals, and I will vote for it.  I say make possesion by criminal result in years behind bars. Add 10 years if gun used in crime. Bring back PUBLIC executions for murders.

[dinosnake]

[Valkorado]

I think we need to change our culture which glorifies violence, which isn't so easy to do.

So it's our fault, because we are violent?  Farook only did this because he was an American?

Or maybe just because he got his feelings hurt in an argument.   

[MP]

I think we need to change our culture which glorifies violence, which isn't so easy to do.

So it's our fault, because we are violent?  Farook only did this because he was an American?

Repeat after me: "It is ALWAYS Americas fault".

Now, you know who to blame for every ill in the world!

[Robert]

Attacker pledged allegiance to ISIS, officials say

While the abortion clinic attacks are not good the Christian religion does not endorse this like the Muslims religion. This is one man acting alone not a movement to take over America that the president is not acknowledging is terrorist, one that is destructive that we are paying for wives and dependents.  That they file for social security and sharia law is being forced down our throats just to name a few problems not associated with a lone nut case. So when anyone asks why doesn't the lone nut case get the same air time it only shows a lack of comprehension and comparison that is nonexistent.

[baldo]

Thanks, yes I do see the difference!  When you invade a foreign country, based on made-up "facts", for the purpose of political change, that's not "terrorism" as seen from the invaded eyes, is it?  Nope, nope.

You mean the invasion that Hillary voted to authorize?

(Yeah, I can deflect and topic hop too)

You mean the one that Congress was lied to, pulling bullshit facts out of the collective rectums by Shrub and Cheney? That invasion? See, I can beat a dead horse too.

[Patrick]

I think we need to change our culture which glorifies violence, which isn't so easy to do.

So it's our fault, because we are violent?  Farook only did this because he was an American?

Repeat after me: "It is ALWAYS Americas fault".

Now, you know who to blame for every ill in the world!

I thought it was always the conservative Americans fault.

[Patrick]

Thanks, yes I do see the difference!  When you invade a foreign country, based on made-up "facts", for the purpose of political change, that's not "terrorism" as seen from the invaded eyes, is it?  Nope, nope.

You mean the invasion that Hillary voted to authorize?

(Yeah, I can deflect and topic hop too)

You mean the one that Congress was lied to, pulling bullshit facts out of the collective rectums by Shrub and Cheney? That invasion? See, I can beat a dead horse too.

Oh, you mean that invasion that proved there were WMDs that had been later transported to Syria and those same WMDs assad then used on his own people. The same WNDs that obama in his infinite wisdom trusted Putin to remove and destroy.

[..]

Thanks, yes I do see the difference!  When you invade a foreign country, based on made-up "facts", for the purpose of political change, that's not "terrorism" as seen from the invaded eyes, is it?  Nope, nope.

You mean the invasion that Hillary voted to authorize?

(Yeah, I can deflect and topic hop too)

You mean the one that Congress was lied to, pulling bullshit facts out of the collective rectums by Shrub and Cheney? That invasion? See, I can beat a dead horse too.

Took a while but eventually the Bush card gets played and the user loses.

Some who voted for

Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE)
 Breaux (D-LA)
Cantwell (D-WA)
 Carnahan (D-MO)
 Carper (D-DE)
 Cleland (D-GA)
Clinton (D-NY)
 Daschle (D-SD)
 Dodd (D-CT)
 Dorgan (D-ND)
 Edwards (D-NC)
 Feinstein (D-CA)
Harkin (D-IA) Hollings (D-SC)
 Johnson (D-SD)
Kerry (D-MA)
 Kohl (D-WI)
 Landrieu (D-LA)
 Lieberman (D-CT)
 Lincoln (D-AR)
 Miller (D-GA)
 Nelson (D-FL)
 Nelson (D-NE)
Reid (D-NV)
 Rockefeller (D-WV)
Schumer (D-NY)
 Torricelli (D-NJ)

Joe Biden — 202-456-1111 (VP comment line)
 Maria Cantwell — 202-224-3441
 Hillary Clinton — personal website (according to Wikipedia)
 Tom Harkin — 202-224-3254
 John Kerry — 202-647-5291 (according to the U.S. Dept of State phone list; pdf)
 Harry Reid — 202-224-3542
 Chuck Schumer — 202-224-6542

Give them a call to tell them how pissed off you are.

[baldo]

Thanks, yes I do see the difference!  When you invade a foreign country, based on made-up "facts", for the purpose of political change, that's not "terrorism" as seen from the invaded eyes, is it?  Nope, nope.

You mean the invasion that Hillary voted to authorize?

(Yeah, I can deflect and topic hop too)

You mean the one that Congress was lied to, pulling bullshit facts out of the collective rectums by Shrub and Cheney? That invasion? See, I can beat a dead horse too.

Oh, you mean that invasion that proved there were WMDs that had been later transported to Syria and those same WMDs assad then used on his own people. The same WNDs that obama in his infinite wisdom trusted Putin to remove and destroy.

  ...WOW, what color are the trees on your planet? You got somethin' to back that up, pardner?

[baldo]

Thanks, yes I do see the difference!  When you invade a foreign country, based on made-up "facts", for the purpose of political change, that's not "terrorism" as seen from the invaded eyes, is it?  Nope, nope.

You mean the invasion that Hillary voted to authorize?

(Yeah, I can deflect and topic hop too)

You mean the one that Congress was lied to, pulling bullshit facts out of the collective rectums by Shrub and Cheney? That invasion? See, I can beat a dead horse too.

Took a while but eventually the Bush card gets played and the user loses.

Some who voted for

Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE)
 Breaux (D-LA)
Cantwell (D-WA)
 Carnahan (D-MO)
 Carper (D-DE)
 Cleland (D-GA)
Clinton (D-NY)
 Daschle (D-SD)
 Dodd (D-CT)
 Dorgan (D-ND)
 Edwards (D-NC)
 Feinstein (D-CA)
Harkin (D-IA) Hollings (D-SC)
 Johnson (D-SD)
Kerry (D-MA)
 Kohl (D-WI)
 Landrieu (D-LA)
 Lieberman (D-CT)
 Lincoln (D-AR)
 Miller (D-GA)
 Nelson (D-FL)
 Nelson (D-NE)
Reid (D-NV)
 Rockefeller (D-WV)
Schumer (D-NY)
 Torricelli (D-NJ)

Joe Biden — 202-456-1111 (VP comment line)
 Maria Cantwell — 202-224-3441
 Hillary Clinton — personal website (according to Wikipedia)
 Tom Harkin — 202-224-3254
 John Kerry — 202-647-5291 (according to the U.S. Dept of State phone list; pdf)
 Harry Reid — 202-224-3542
 Chuck Schumer — 202-224-6542

Give them a call to tell them how pissed off you are.

All fed the same bullshit lies. And it's not called 'blaming' when it's the truth. This really isn't that difficult to understand.

[Patrick]

Thanks, yes I do see the difference!  When you invade a foreign country, based on made-up "facts", for the purpose of political change, that's not "terrorism" as seen from the invaded eyes, is it?  Nope, nope.

You mean the invasion that Hillary voted to authorize?

(Yeah, I can deflect and topic hop too)

You mean the one that Congress was lied to, pulling bullshit facts out of the collective rectums by Shrub and Cheney? That invasion? See, I can beat a dead horse too.

Oh, you mean that invasion that proved there were WMDs that had been later transported to Syria and those same WMDs assad then used on his own people. The same WNDs that obama in his infinite wisdom trusted Putin to remove and destroy.

  ...WOW, what color are the trees on your planet? You got somethin' to back that up, pardner?

Well ya, of course I do. As always. Its called facts. All one has to do is stop drinking the Kool-aid for a few minutes and look them up. They're not hard to find. You may have take off the rose colored glasses to make things a little easier to see.
But, then, that will go against certain agendas. Or, some just can't take the time.

[..]

Thanks, yes I do see the difference!  When you invade a foreign country, based on made-up "facts", for the purpose of political change, that's not "terrorism" as seen from the invaded eyes, is it?  Nope, nope.

You mean the invasion that Hillary voted to authorize?

(Yeah, I can deflect and topic hop too)

You mean the one that Congress was lied to, pulling bullshit facts out of the collective rectums by Shrub and Cheney? That invasion? See, I can beat a dead horse too.

Took a while but eventually the Bush card gets played and the user loses.

Some who voted for

Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE)
 Breaux (D-LA)
Cantwell (D-WA)
 Carnahan (D-MO)
 Carper (D-DE)
 Cleland (D-GA)
Clinton (D-NY)
 Daschle (D-SD)
 Dodd (D-CT)
 Dorgan (D-ND)
 Edwards (D-NC)
 Feinstein (D-CA)
Harkin (D-IA) Hollings (D-SC)
 Johnson (D-SD)
Kerry (D-MA)
 Kohl (D-WI)
 Landrieu (D-LA)
 Lieberman (D-CT)
 Lincoln (D-AR)
 Miller (D-GA)
 Nelson (D-FL)
 Nelson (D-NE)
Reid (D-NV)
 Rockefeller (D-WV)
Schumer (D-NY)
 Torricelli (D-NJ)

Joe Biden — 202-456-1111 (VP comment line)
 Maria Cantwell — 202-224-3441
 Hillary Clinton — personal website (according to Wikipedia)
 Tom Harkin — 202-224-3254
 John Kerry — 202-647-5291 (according to the U.S. Dept of State phone list; pdf)
 Harry Reid — 202-224-3542
 Chuck Schumer — 202-224-6542

Give them a call to tell them how pissed off you are.

All fed the same bullshit lies. And it's not called 'blaming' when it's the truth. This really isn't that difficult to understand.

Ho hum.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction

And I'm out of this revolving door of dem/lib/prog denial.

Got to get ready to ride tomorrow.

[Patrick]

Thanks, yes I do see the difference!  When you invade a foreign country, based on made-up "facts", for the purpose of political change, that's not "terrorism" as seen from the invaded eyes, is it?  Nope, nope.

You mean the invasion that Hillary voted to authorize?

(Yeah, I can deflect and topic hop too)

You mean the one that Congress was lied to, pulling bullshit facts out of the collective rectums by Shrub and Cheney? That invasion? See, I can beat a dead horse too.

Took a while but eventually the Bush card gets played and the user loses.

Some who voted for

Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE)
 Breaux (D-LA)
Cantwell (D-WA)
 Carnahan (D-MO)
 Carper (D-DE)
 Cleland (D-GA)
Clinton (D-NY)
 Daschle (D-SD)
 Dodd (D-CT)
 Dorgan (D-ND)
 Edwards (D-NC)
 Feinstein (D-CA)
Harkin (D-IA) Hollings (D-SC)
 Johnson (D-SD)
Kerry (D-MA)
 Kohl (D-WI)
 Landrieu (D-LA)
 Lieberman (D-CT)
 Lincoln (D-AR)
 Miller (D-GA)
 Nelson (D-FL)
 Nelson (D-NE)
Reid (D-NV)
 Rockefeller (D-WV)
Schumer (D-NY)
 Torricelli (D-NJ)

Joe Biden — 202-456-1111 (VP comment line)
 Maria Cantwell — 202-224-3441
 Hillary Clinton — personal website (according to Wikipedia)
 Tom Harkin — 202-224-3254
 John Kerry — 202-647-5291 (according to the U.S. Dept of State phone list; pdf)
 Harry Reid — 202-224-3542
 Chuck Schumer — 202-224-6542

Give them a call to tell them how pissed off you are.

All fed the same bullshit lies. And it's not called 'blaming' when it's the truth. This really isn't that difficult to understand.

Ho hum.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction

And I'm out of this revolving door of dem/lib/prog denial.

Got to get ready to ride tomorrow.

Ah Man, there ya go. Conservatives always giving to liberals.  How are they to learn ? 
Remember something about giving a man a fish vs teaching one to fish. 

[..]

Thanks, yes I do see the difference!  When you invade a foreign country, based on made-up "facts", for the purpose of political change, that's not "terrorism" as seen from the invaded eyes, is it?  Nope, nope.

You mean the invasion that Hillary voted to authorize?

(Yeah, I can deflect and topic hop too)

You mean the one that Congress was lied to, pulling bullshit facts out of the collective rectums by Shrub and Cheney? That invasion? See, I can beat a dead horse too.

Took a while but eventually the Bush card gets played and the user loses.

Some who voted for

Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE)
 Breaux (D-LA)
Cantwell (D-WA)
 Carnahan (D-MO)
 Carper (D-DE)
 Cleland (D-GA)
Clinton (D-NY)
 Daschle (D-SD)
 Dodd (D-CT)
 Dorgan (D-ND)
 Edwards (D-NC)
 Feinstein (D-CA)
Harkin (D-IA) Hollings (D-SC)
 Johnson (D-SD)
Kerry (D-MA)
 Kohl (D-WI)
 Landrieu (D-LA)
 Lieberman (D-CT)
 Lincoln (D-AR)
 Miller (D-GA)
 Nelson (D-FL)
 Nelson (D-NE)
Reid (D-NV)
 Rockefeller (D-WV)
Schumer (D-NY)
 Torricelli (D-NJ)

Joe Biden — 202-456-1111 (VP comment line)
 Maria Cantwell — 202-224-3441
 Hillary Clinton — personal website (according to Wikipedia)
 Tom Harkin — 202-224-3254
 John Kerry — 202-647-5291 (according to the U.S. Dept of State phone list; pdf)
 Harry Reid — 202-224-3542
 Chuck Schumer — 202-224-6542

Give them a call to tell them how pissed off you are.

All fed the same bullshit lies. And it's not called 'blaming' when it's the truth. This really isn't that difficult to understand.

Ho hum.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction

And I'm out of this revolving door of dem/lib/prog denial.

Got to get ready to ride tomorrow.

Ah Man, there ya go. Conservatives always giving to liberals.  How are they to learn ? 
Remember something about giving a man a fish vs teaching one to fish. 

And you'll notice I haven't called anyone a rude name.

Soft targets are no fun