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« Reply #80 on: December 04, 2015, 12:20:50 PM » |
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Thanks, yes I do see the difference! When you invade a foreign country, based on made-up "facts", for the purpose of political change, that's not "terrorism" as seen from the invaded eyes, is it? Nope, nope.
You mean the invasion that Hillary voted to authorize? (Yeah, I can deflect and topic hop too) You mean the one that Congress was lied to, pulling bullshit facts out of the collective rectums by Shrub and Cheney? That invasion? See, I can beat a dead horse too. Took a while but eventually the Bush card gets played and the user loses. Some who voted for Bayh (D-IN) Biden (D-DE) Breaux (D-LA) Cantwell (D-WA) Carnahan (D-MO) Carper (D-DE) Cleland (D-GA) Clinton (D-NY) Daschle (D-SD) Dodd (D-CT) Dorgan (D-ND) Edwards (D-NC) Feinstein (D-CA) Harkin (D-IA) Hollings (D-SC) Johnson (D-SD) Kerry (D-MA) Kohl (D-WI) Landrieu (D-LA) Lieberman (D-CT) Lincoln (D-AR) Miller (D-GA) Nelson (D-FL) Nelson (D-NE) Reid (D-NV) Rockefeller (D-WV) Schumer (D-NY) Torricelli (D-NJ) Joe Biden — 202-456-1111 (VP comment line) Maria Cantwell — 202-224-3441 Hillary Clinton — personal website (according to Wikipedia) Tom Harkin — 202-224-3254 John Kerry — 202-647-5291 (according to the U.S. Dept of State phone list; pdf) Harry Reid — 202-224-3542 Chuck Schumer — 202-224-6542 Give them a call to tell them how pissed off you are. All fed the same bullshit lies. And it's not called 'blaming' when it's the truth. This really isn't that difficult to understand. Ho hum. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_destructionAnd I'm out of this revolving door of dem/lib/prog denial. Got to get ready to ride tomorrow. Ah Man, there ya go. Conservatives always giving to liberals. How are they to learn ?  Remember something about giving a man a fish vs teaching one to fish.  And you'll notice I haven't called anyone a rude name. Soft targets are no fun  Which is the rude name ? Liberal or conservative ? I try to refrain from that too, but, I guess I slip every now and again. |
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« Reply #81 on: December 04, 2015, 12:38:53 PM » |
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Thanks, yes I do see the difference! When you invade a foreign country, based on made-up "facts", for the purpose of political change, that's not "terrorism" as seen from the invaded eyes, is it? Nope, nope.
You mean the invasion that Hillary voted to authorize? (Yeah, I can deflect and topic hop too) You mean the one that Congress was lied to, pulling bullshit facts out of the collective rectums by Shrub and Cheney? That invasion? See, I can beat a dead horse too. Took a while but eventually the Bush card gets played and the user loses. Some who voted for Bayh (D-IN) Biden (D-DE) Breaux (D-LA) Cantwell (D-WA) Carnahan (D-MO) Carper (D-DE) Cleland (D-GA) Clinton (D-NY) Daschle (D-SD) Dodd (D-CT) Dorgan (D-ND) Edwards (D-NC) Feinstein (D-CA) Harkin (D-IA) Hollings (D-SC) Johnson (D-SD) Kerry (D-MA) Kohl (D-WI) Landrieu (D-LA) Lieberman (D-CT) Lincoln (D-AR) Miller (D-GA) Nelson (D-FL) Nelson (D-NE) Reid (D-NV) Rockefeller (D-WV) Schumer (D-NY) Torricelli (D-NJ) Joe Biden — 202-456-1111 (VP comment line) Maria Cantwell — 202-224-3441 Hillary Clinton — personal website (according to Wikipedia) Tom Harkin — 202-224-3254 John Kerry — 202-647-5291 (according to the U.S. Dept of State phone list; pdf) Harry Reid — 202-224-3542 Chuck Schumer — 202-224-6542 Give them a call to tell them how pissed off you are. All fed the same bullshit lies. And it's not called 'blaming' when it's the truth. This really isn't that difficult to understand. Ho hum. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_destructionAnd I'm out of this revolving door of dem/lib/prog denial. Got to get ready to ride tomorrow. You're using Wiki as a source? Isn't Wiki a public sourced site? Well, I guess I can do it too.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WMD_conjecture_in_the_aftermath_of_the_2003_invasion_of_IraqIt sounds like they could be almost anywhere. Unfortunately, not a whole lot of proof. Color me surprised. |
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« Reply #82 on: December 04, 2015, 12:54:09 PM » |
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I'm wondering why you all aren't up in arms about the guy that shot up Planned Parenthood. Where are the screams to label him a Radical Christian Terrorist? He wasn't out for revenge. He didn't work there and have an argument either. He killed people based on his Christian beliefs, in order to terrorize the population. Where are all the Christian priests and ministers coming out in condemnation of that horrific act? Yeah, that's what I thought, he wasn't brown so it must've just been a "rampage". This horrific tragedy in San Bernadino, just like almost all mass shootings in America, was done by an American that obtained his gun legally. Your solution? We need more guns! That makes a lot of sense  Maybe if we required every American to have at least 10 guns the problem of gun violence would go away Personally, I don't think the solution is banning guns, but I think more rigorous background checks wouldn't hurt. I think we need to change our culture which glorifies violence, which isn't so easy to do. What about the new evidence found online of their sworn allegiance to ISIS? I don't care if they are multicolored. Crime is a crime no matter your religion or color. I hated it when that dingbat in Colorado did that. He sure is not a christian at heart and is like no Christan I know. His crime is just as wrong as the San Beradino crime. They are all horrific. |
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« Reply #83 on: December 04, 2015, 01:47:41 PM » |
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Ya well, people are up in arms over that whacko shooting up PP. ' No more body parts " . Not many liked the fact PP was selling body parts, but, any normal sane person would not do what he did. Seem dumb to me any one would think that. This guy is just plain crazy, seems like some one should have known that.
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« Reply #84 on: December 04, 2015, 02:11:15 PM » |
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Ya well, people are up in arms over that whacko shooting up PP. ' No more body parts " . Not many liked the fact PP was selling body parts, but, any normal sane person would not do what he did. Seem dumb to me any one would think that. This guy is just plain crazy, seems like some one should have known that.
Patrick, are you saying that you believe they were actually doing that? Do you read the papers or read news online? Everyone knows that whole thing was absolute total bullshit. Even the scumbag that made that cursed video says that it was bullshit. Wow, just wow. |
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« Reply #85 on: December 04, 2015, 03:34:58 PM » |
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I think we need to change our culture which glorifies violence, which isn't so easy to do.
So it's our fault, because we are violent? Farook only did this because he was an American? Repeat after me: "It is ALWAYS Americas fault". Now, you know who to blame for every ill in the world! I thought it was Bush's Fault???!!! |
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« Reply #86 on: December 04, 2015, 03:57:49 PM » |
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We need to change OUR culture which glorifies violence?
Which culture is best known for blowing themselves up and the innocent around them to make a religious/political point?
A) Western, pro-democracy culture
B) Islamic mid east culture
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« Reply #87 on: December 04, 2015, 03:58:48 PM » |
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I think we need to change our culture which glorifies violence, which isn't so easy to do.
So it's our fault, because we are violent? Farook only did this because he was an American? Repeat after me: "It is ALWAYS Americas fault". Now, you know who to blame for every ill in the world! I thought it was Bush's Fault???!!! It is.... |
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« Reply #88 on: December 04, 2015, 05:54:47 PM » |
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I think we need to change our culture which glorifies violence, which isn't so easy to do.
So it's our fault, because we are violent? Farook only did this because he was an American? Repeat after me: "It is ALWAYS Americas fault". Now, you know who to blame for every ill in the world! I thought it was Bush's Fault???!!! It is.... I have no doubt you firmly believe that.  |
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« Reply #89 on: December 04, 2015, 06:05:34 PM » |
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I think we need to change our culture which glorifies violence, which isn't so easy to do.
So it's our fault, because we are violent? Farook only did this because he was an American? Repeat after me: "It is ALWAYS Americas fault". Now, you know who to blame for every ill in the world! I thought it was Bush's Fault???!!! It is.... I have no doubt you firmly believe that. Its amazing what he believes. |
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« Reply #90 on: December 04, 2015, 06:15:04 PM » |
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I think we need to change our culture which glorifies violence, which isn't so easy to do.
So it's our fault, because we are violent? Farook only did this because he was an American? Repeat after me: "It is ALWAYS Americas fault". Now, you know who to blame for every ill in the world! I thought it was Bush's Fault???!!! It is.... I have no doubt you firmly believe that. Its amazing what he believes. You have no idea....   |
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« Reply #91 on: December 04, 2015, 06:43:18 PM » |
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We ain't done yet. We are about to allow ingress by factional opponents who will import sectarian conflict to our shores. We have the potential to ...........? My solution? Keep them all out. Let them sort out their own crap at home. We do not need to be the savior of their world. Take a strong stand on this , and wait until they are forced to resolve their problems before we allow them to relocate to our shores. I am just as fearfull of radical whoevers as I am of any mu slum .
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« Reply #92 on: December 05, 2015, 03:04:55 AM » |
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Overthink everything.. This attack came during a time when people were gathered together on U.S. soil, at a time of the year having religious significance to many. But the timing of the thing may not be too important. The main goal was to carry out an attack which would cause widespread social anxiety. These two were on a mission, as evidence gathered after the fact seems to indicate.. They stockpiled weapons, ammo, bomb making materials. This would indicate preparation for a bigger attack or multiple other attacks. Perhaps they were building a "safe depot" which could serve as a supply point for attackers (think sleeper cell). They traveled to the middle east, for what purpose? Could it be that they received instructions which would allow them to recognize an unknown contact when they were approached? This would eliminate any traceable communications which could be monitored by anti-terrorism agencies. It has been done before (think OBL and some of the tactics he used to communicate with his network). It should be apparent given recent world events, that there are others out there somewhere, who are carrying out similar missions of preparations for future action. The only defense is vigilance. We have to watch WHO goes WHERE, for HOW LONG, for what REASON, etc. Thus the decent into paranoia spirals. This is destructive in itself, forcing a society into possible chaos. But, sometimes only the paranoid survive.
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« Reply #93 on: December 05, 2015, 03:11:08 AM » |
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I think we need to change our culture which glorifies violence, which isn't so easy to do.
So it's our fault, because we are violent? Farook only did this because he was an American? Repeat after me: "It is ALWAYS Americas fault". Now, you know who to blame for every ill in the world! I thought it was Bush's Fault???!!! It is.... I have no doubt you firmly believe that. Its amazing what he believes. You have no idea.... LOL. Oh. I thought I did have some idea and that was why we butt heads. |
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« Reply #94 on: December 05, 2015, 05:41:33 AM » |
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« Reply #95 on: December 05, 2015, 10:11:56 AM » |
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butt head Huhhuhhuhhuhhuhhuhhuh Lol....That was the very first thought that came to mind...... |
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« Reply #96 on: December 05, 2015, 10:48:14 AM » |
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I think we need to change our culture which glorifies violence, which isn't so easy to do.
So it's our fault, because we are violent? Farook only did this because he was an American? Repeat after me: "It is ALWAYS Americas fault". Now, you know who to blame for every ill in the world! It's a pretty big club:  |
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« Reply #97 on: December 05, 2015, 10:52:35 AM » |
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Well, I am interested to know your ideas on how to solve this. Please enlighten me. Obviously you don't agree with myself or your four grandsons. |
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« Reply #98 on: December 05, 2015, 12:21:16 PM » |
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Thanks, yes I do see the difference! When you invade a foreign country, based on made-up "facts", for the purpose of political change, that's not "terrorism" as seen from the invaded eyes, is it? Nope, nope.
You mean the invasion that Hillary voted to authorize? (Yeah, I can deflect and topic hop too) You mean the one that Congress was lied to, pulling bullshit facts out of the collective rectums by Shrub and Cheney? That invasion? See, I can beat a dead horse too. Took a while but eventually the Bush card gets played and the user loses. Some who voted for Bayh (D-IN) Biden (D-DE) Breaux (D-LA) Cantwell (D-WA) Carnahan (D-MO) Carper (D-DE) Cleland (D-GA) Clinton (D-NY) Daschle (D-SD) Dodd (D-CT) Dorgan (D-ND) Edwards (D-NC) Feinstein (D-CA) Harkin (D-IA) Hollings (D-SC) Johnson (D-SD) Kerry (D-MA) Kohl (D-WI) Landrieu (D-LA) Lieberman (D-CT) Lincoln (D-AR) Miller (D-GA) Nelson (D-FL) Nelson (D-NE) Reid (D-NV) Rockefeller (D-WV) Schumer (D-NY) Torricelli (D-NJ) Joe Biden — 202-456-1111 (VP comment line) Maria Cantwell — 202-224-3441 Hillary Clinton — personal website (according to Wikipedia) Tom Harkin — 202-224-3254 John Kerry — 202-647-5291 (according to the U.S. Dept of State phone list; pdf) Harry Reid — 202-224-3542 Chuck Schumer — 202-224-6542 Give them a call to tell them how pissed off you are. All fed the same bullshit lies. And it's not called 'blaming' when it's the truth. This really isn't that difficult to understand. Ho hum. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_destructionAnd I'm out of this revolving door of dem/lib/prog denial. Got to get ready to ride tomorrow. You're using Wiki as a source? Isn't Wiki a public sourced site? Well, I guess I can do it too.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WMD_conjecture_in_the_aftermath_of_the_2003_invasion_of_IraqIt sounds like they could be almost anywhere. Unfortunately, not a whole lot of proof. Color me surprised. Yep the 10's of thousands killed with WMD's are just a figment of someone's imagination. Looking forward to you telling their friends and families. Box meet rocks. |
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