Trump

[baldo]

Kind of ironic the Dem's are all concerned about experience in candidates now. They sure were not when they elected Obama because he had none.  

And sealed all his records so no one could find out.

    Dems think a little minimal experience in local community organizing can easily be expanded to a whole country. That turned out to be simple didn't it. 

Yes, a little minimal experience as a community organizer, prior to 8 yrs as an Illinois state Senator, then almost 4 years as a US Senator. Just another BS talking point. You might as well go back to his high school years and find out what he did for lunch money. Or maybe he mowed lawns as a 10 yr old. Should that be held against him, too?

[baldo]

Some records haven't been sealed, but, they haven't been released.




Some in the FBI has claimed the birth certificate was forged and the grandmother said she was present at the birth, in Kenya.
I believe that, but, until the FBI comes out publicly I have to still with an Hawaiian birth. I'd also like to know what has happened to those in the FBI that made that statement.

Lol...I'm waiting for him to be called Muslim...Oh wait, I think I saw that already.....you guys really need to get some new material.

[J.Mencalice]

Kind of ironic the Dem's are all concerned about experience in candidates now. They sure were not when they elected Obama because he had none.  

And sealed all his records so no one could find out.

Whoaaa up there pardner!  For the past 7 years now the uber-conservatives have been raging on about the lack of experience that the current holder of the white house has.  Now, they are putting forth their top two candidates that have never held as much as a minute of experience in a town, county, state, federal or municipal office of governing.  Such hypocrisy is as clear as day; that showing two faces to validate a position can be shared equally by both liberal and conservative supporters.  

Why was George W. Bush's military record sealed from public examination as a tit-for-tat?                    I know why, but I ain't tellin', ya gotta find it and read it for yourself...if you can locate the book that was pulled from publication by the Bushes.  Then the author died under questionable circumstances.  Funny how those things work out in the open records game, eh?

No one is clean in the dirty business of politics.  No one.

"The pot calling the kettle black." per se.

[..]

Kind of ironic the Dem's are all concerned about experience in candidates now. They sure were not when they elected Obama because he had none.  

And sealed all his records so no one could find out.

"The pot calling the kettle black." per se.

Dat's RACIST   

[hubcapsc]

Now, they are putting forth their top two candidates that have never held as much as a minute of experience in a town, county, state, federal or municipal office of governing.

Whoaaa up there pardner!   

Sounds like you think the Republicans are begging Trump to run... I think
most of them are mortified.

-Mike

[J.Mencalice]

Kind of ironic the Dem's are all concerned about experience in candidates now. They sure were not when they elected Obama because he had none.  

And sealed all his records so no one could find out.

"The pot calling the kettle black." per se.

Dat's RACIST  

"Oho!" said the pot to the kettle;
"You are dirty and ugly and black!
Sure no one would think you were metal,
Except when you're given a crack."

"Not so! not so!" kettle said to the pot;
"'Tis your own dirty image you see;
For I am so clean – without blemish or blot –
That your blackness is mirrored in me."
 

[baldo]

Now, they are putting forth their top two candidates that have never held as much as a minute of experience in a town, county, state, federal or municipal office of governing.

Whoaaa up there pardner!   

Sounds like you think the Republicans are begging Trump to run... I think
most of them are mortified.

-Mike

I think you're right. It seems that Frankenstein has left the building, and they're not liking it one little bit. It's going to be a very interesting election season.

[..]

Kind of ironic the Dem's are all concerned about experience in candidates now. They sure were not when they elected Obama because he had none.  

And sealed all his records so no one could find out.

"The pot calling the kettle black." per se.

Dat's RACIST  

"Oho!" said the pot to the kettle;
"You are dirty and ugly and black!
Sure no one would think you were metal,
Except when you're given a crack."

"Not so! not so!" kettle said to the pot;
"'Tis your own dirty image you see;
For I am so clean – without blemish or blot –
That your blackness is mirrored in me."
 

I know that!!! Sheesh.

[Patrick]

You know what I'd like to see. We could then stop all this crap we continue to go through. We should split this country into 2 sections. [ For some strange reason I have an odd feeling this was tried before] . All liberals in one and conservatives in the other.  It would be interesting to see what happens.

[..]

You know what I'd like to see. We could then stop all this crap we continue to go through. We should split this country into 2 sections. [ For some strange reason I have an odd feeling this was tried before] . All liberals in one and conservatives in the other.  It would be interesting to see what happens.

But who chooses which bits?

Red states and blues state?

[Patrick]

You know what I'd like to see. We could then stop all this crap we continue to go through. We should split this country into 2 sections. [ For some strange reason I have an odd feeling this was tried before] . All liberals in one and conservatives in the other.  It would be interesting to see what happens.

But who chooses which bits?

Red states and blues state?

That could be problematic couldn't it. We could draw straws, rock paper scissors, etc.

[..]

You know what I'd like to see. We could then stop all this crap we continue to go through. We should split this country into 2 sections. [ For some strange reason I have an odd feeling this was tried before] . All liberals in one and conservatives in the other.  It would be interesting to see what happens.

But who chooses which bits?

Red states and blues state?

That could be problematic couldn't it. We could draw straws, rock paper scissors, etc.

What happens if a productive liberal  business man wants to stay where he knows there will be a market for him?

[baldo]

You know what I'd like to see. We could then stop all this crap we continue to go through. We should split this country into 2 sections. [ For some strange reason I have an odd feeling this was tried before] . All liberals in one and conservatives in the other.  It would be interesting to see what happens.

But who chooses which bits?

Red states and blues state?

That could be problematic couldn't it. We could draw straws, rock paper scissors, etc.

What happens if a productive liberal  business man wants to stay where he knows there will be a market for him?

???..... that sounds like an unfinished thought...

[Patrick]

You know what I'd like to see. We could then stop all this crap we continue to go through. We should split this country into 2 sections. [ For some strange reason I have an odd feeling this was tried before] . All liberals in one and conservatives in the other.  It would be interesting to see what happens.

But who chooses which bits?

Red states and blues state?

That could be problematic couldn't it. We could draw straws, rock paper scissors, etc.

What happens if a productive liberal  business man wants to stay where he knows there will be a market for him?

You're way too serious about this.  You must think I'm serious. I thought the wording implied that. Serious makes my head hurt.

[Moonshot_1]

Kind of ironic the Dem's are all concerned about experience in candidates now. They sure were not when they elected Obama because he had none.  

And sealed all his records so no one could find out.

Whoaaa up there pardner!  For the past 7 years now the uber-conservatives have been raging on about the lack of experience that the current holder of the white house has.  Now, they are putting forth their top two candidates that have never held as much as a minute of experience in a town, county, state, federal or municipal office of governing.  Such hypocrisy is as clear as day; that showing two faces to validate a position can be shared equally by both liberal and conservative supporters.  

Why was George W. Bush's military record sealed from public examination as a tit-for-tat?                    I know why, but I ain't tellin', ya gotta find it and read it for yourself...if you can locate the book that was pulled from publication by the Bushes.  Then the author died under questionable circumstances.  Funny how those things work out in the open records game, eh?

No one is clean in the dirty business of politics.  No one.

"The pot calling the kettle black." per se.

When it comes to Pres. Obama, the lack of experience is in his lack of Executive experience. Although his public service record is lacking as well.

The President does not have a record (until becoming President) of being in an executive position.
He was not a Governor, he has never been the owner/operator of a business or company (large or small), had to meet a payroll or budget.

His legislative record is wanting as well. I don't know of any significant legislation that he personally championed as a Senator. His legislative history as a State and US senator can surely be described as lackluster.

He is and can be an magnificent orator. But even this is generally true if it is scripted. Off the cuff, he does not do nearly as well.

I did not believe he had the capacity to be POTUS then, nor now.

As to Trump and his "qualifications" as they would compare to the President's...

Trump's public service and political record in fairly non existent.
But he is an Executive in his own company. The company is a large real estate company with holdings around the world. He meets budgets and payrolls daily.

In the process of this business he has dealt with local, state, federal, and foreign governments in a variety of ways.

His accomplishments are quite obvious and outstanding.
His failures are obvious as well. But he rebounds and accomplishes more.

Tough negotiator and a live wire to be sure.

I do believe that is reason he seems really out there at times. He is basically staking out his negotiating position on a particular issue.

I do favor him as a President.  

Not sure who your 2nd person would be, but Carson, while an obviously brilliant man, a neurosurgeon, he doesn't seem to have the executive experience or the political experience. Quite frankly, I don't think he's mean enough for the job. I do like him though and would have no issue voting for him if he's the nominee.


Cruz, he's just fun to watch. Has the kind of reputation I like politically. So I'm good with him as well.



Hillary. The only problem I got with her is her politics. Big issues with the politics. Well, there are some medical issues that need to be addressed and made public. But aside from that, if she was a Republican without all the cursed political baggage, I'd say she'd be mean enough for the job.

[Wizzard]

Kind of ironic the Dem's are all concerned about experience in candidates now. They sure were not when they elected Obama because he had none.  

And sealed all his records so no one could find out.

Another dead horse thrown on the pile...

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/07/obamas-sealed-records/

Yeah,, what about the experience part?

[Moonshot_1]

You know what I'd like to see. We could then stop all this crap we continue to go through. We should split this country into 2 sections. [ For some strange reason I have an odd feeling this was tried before] . All liberals in one and conservatives in the other.  It would be interesting to see what happens.

Somewhat dated (2010) but Political Professor in Russia came up with this prediction.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB123051100709638419

[baldo]

Kind of ironic the Dem's are all concerned about experience in candidates now. They sure were not when they elected Obama because he had none.  

And sealed all his records so no one could find out.

Another dead horse thrown on the pile...

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/07/obamas-sealed-records/

Yeah,, what about the experience part?

Asked and answered above.

[fudgie]

As far as Trump, he's not my guy, I'm not excited about him, but if he's the nominee I'd vote for him.

Why?

I'm a libertarian, I want LESS government in almost all aspects. Trump, while far more intelligent and honorable than Hillary (Or Comrade Sanders) is still a big government statist when it comes down to it.

Then why not vote for someone you like? Such as the libertarian party. I have. That's like being a meat eater but you order a salad instead.  ???

[Patrick]

As far as Trump, he's not my guy, I'm not excited about him, but if he's the nominee I'd vote for him.

Why?

I'm a libertarian, I want LESS government in almost all aspects. Trump, while far more intelligent and honorable than Hillary (Or Comrade Sanders) is still a big government statist when it comes down to it.

Then why not vote for someone you like? Such as the libertarian party. I have. That's like being a meat eater but you order a salad instead.  ???

I understand, but, thats usually a wasted vote.

[Serk]

As far as Trump, he's not my guy, I'm not excited about him, but if he's the nominee I'd vote for him.

Why?

I'm a libertarian, I want LESS government in almost all aspects. Trump, while far more intelligent and honorable than Hillary (Or Comrade Sanders) is still a big government statist when it comes down to it.

Then why not vote for someone you like? Such as the libertarian party. I have. That's like being a meat eater but you order a salad instead.  ???

I have in the past, and I might again. I've voted in 6 presidential elections in my lifetime, and voted twice for the Democrat, twice for the Libertarian and twice for the Republican. I also vote in the primaries to try to get a candidate I can stomach in the general elections.

I know it's cliche at this point, but when I vote for the Republican, it's usually not FOR the Republican as much as it's AGAINST the Democrat...

(The 2 Democrat votes were when I was younger and didn't know any better yet.)

[Patrick]

Yep, its usually for lessor of all the evils.

[Wizzard]

As far as Trump, he's not my guy, I'm not excited about him, but if he's the nominee I'd vote for him.

Why?

I'm a libertarian, I want LESS government in almost all aspects. Trump, while far more intelligent and honorable than Hillary (Or Comrade Sanders) is still a big government statist when it comes down to it.

Then why not vote for someone you like? Such as the libertarian party. I have. That's like being a meat eater but you order a salad instead.  ???

I understand, but, thats usually a wasted vote.

Too many think that way. That is why a 3rd party never has a chance.

[Carl]

Trump is a master  at promotion and advertising.  I feel very confident that a lot of work was done before he entered the race to determine what issue would carry at least 25% of the voters (Repub.).  He knew the hot button issues, that he could get behind, and how he would approach them.

There is an old saying in advertising that "any news is good news".  Anything that can keep his name in the news is good.  Even when he says something stupid he is still given a forum to talk about his platform.  And listen to what he says when he gets the opportunity.  Everything he does is excellent, or perfect, the best, no ones better.  We had the great organizer win the last round.  The next round just may go to the great advertiser/promoter.

Advertising is to a genuine article what manure is to land, - it largely increases the product.
P.T. Barnum, 

[Patrick]

As far as Trump, he's not my guy, I'm not excited about him, but if he's the nominee I'd vote for him.

Why?

I'm a libertarian, I want LESS government in almost all aspects. Trump, while far more intelligent and honorable than Hillary (Or Comrade Sanders) is still a big government statist when it comes down to it.

Then why not vote for someone you like? Such as the libertarian party. I have. That's like being a meat eater but you order a salad instead.  ???

I understand, but, thats usually a wasted vote.

Too many think that way. That is why a 3rd party never has a chance.

Well, I agree. And I feel like voting that way at times, but, I feel its just giving a vote to the wrong side.
I'd like to see a viable 3rd party. And, I know, I'm probably part of the problem.

[fudgie]

Well, I agree. And I feel like voting that way at times, but, I feel its just giving a vote to the wrong side.
I'd like to see a viable 3rd party. And, I know, I'm probably part of the problem.

But if everyone voted for the 3rd party like they wanted to then they would win.  ???

[The emperor has no clothes]

Well, I agree. And I feel like voting that way at times, but, I feel its just giving a vote to the wrong side.
I'd like to see a viable 3rd party. And, I know, I'm probably part of the problem.

But if everyone voted for the 3rd party like they wanted to then they would win.  ???

[Serk]

Well, I agree. And I feel like voting that way at times, but, I feel its just giving a vote to the wrong side.
I'd like to see a viable 3rd party. And, I know, I'm probably part of the problem.

But if everyone voted for the 3rd party like they wanted to then they would win.  ???

There have been election cycles where, if you squint a bit, you can't tell the difference between the 2 mainstream candidates, and in those years I'll vote Libertarian. (Both times Bush W ran I voted Libertarian.)

We'll see who ends up at the nominee from the Republicans, if they can get someone I can either fully and excitably get behind and support (Paul, Cruz), someone I could at least choke back the hot vomit and vote for anyway ( Rubio (Maybe), Trump, Fiorina, few others) or if they're just determined to drive me to vote third party again (Bush, Lindsey Graham Cracker, Chris Crispie Cream Christie)

(Yes, I realize my twisting of the names of some of the candidate was childish. It makes me smile and helps me get through the day.)

[baldo]

Well, I agree. And I feel like voting that way at times, but, I feel its just giving a vote to the wrong side.
I'd like to see a viable 3rd party. And, I know, I'm probably part of the problem.

But if everyone voted for the 3rd party like they wanted to then they would win.  ???

There have been election cycles where, if you squint a bit, you can't tell the difference between the 2 mainstream candidates, and in those years I'll vote Libertarian. (Both times Bush W ran I voted Libertarian.)

We'll see who ends up at the nominee from the Republicans, if they can get someone I can either fully and excitably get behind and support (Paul, Cruz), someone I could at least choke back the hot vomit and vote for anyway ( Rubio (Maybe), Trump, Fiorina, few others) or if they're just determined to drive me to vote third party again (Bush, Lindsey Graham Cracker, Chris Crispie Cream Christie)

(Yes, I realize my twisting of the names of some of the candidate was childish. It makes me smile and helps me get through the day.)

It's the little things....

[Patrick]

Well, I agree. And I feel like voting that way at times, but, I feel its just giving a vote to the wrong side.
I'd like to see a viable 3rd party. And, I know, I'm probably part of the problem.

But if everyone voted for the 3rd party like they wanted to then they would win.  ???

There have been election cycles where, if you squint a bit, you can't tell the difference between the 2 mainstream candidates, and in those years I'll vote Libertarian. (Both times Bush W ran I voted Libertarian.)

We'll see who ends up at the nominee from the Republicans, if they can get someone I can either fully and excitably get behind and support (Paul, Cruz), someone I could at least choke back the hot vomit and vote for anyway ( Rubio (Maybe), Trump, Fiorina, few others) or if they're just determined to drive me to vote third party again (Bush, Lindsey Graham Cracker, Chris Crispie Cream Christie)

(Yes, I realize my twisting of the names of some of the candidate was childish. It makes me smile and helps me get through the day.)

Well, I still agree. When I think the odd man out [ or woman] has any chance at all of winning, then I'll vote for that person. When the third really becomes viable, I'm in.

[fudgie]

Lindsey Graham Cracker, Chris Crispie Cream Christie

(Yes, I realize my twisting of the names of some of the candidate was childish. It makes me smile and helps me get through the day.)

LMAO!   

[The emperor has no clothes]

Well, I agree. And I feel like voting that way at times, but, I feel its just giving a vote to the wrong side.
I'd like to see a viable 3rd party. And, I know, I'm probably part of the problem.

But if everyone voted for the 3rd party like they wanted to then they would win.  ???

There have been election cycles where, if you squint a bit, you can't tell the difference between the 2 mainstream candidates, and in those years I'll vote Libertarian. (Both times Bush W ran I voted Libertarian.)

We'll see who ends up at the nominee from the Republicans, if they can get someone I can either fully and excitably get behind and support (Paul, Cruz), someone I could at least choke back the hot vomit and vote for anyway ( Rubio (Maybe), Trump, Fiorina, few others) or if they're just determined to drive me to vote third party again (Bush, Lindsey Graham Cracker, Chris Crispie Cream Christie)

(Yes, I realize my twisting of the names of some of the candidate was childish. It makes me smile and helps me get through the day.)

I thought it was Hotglues whiskey that got you thru the day. 

[Patrick]

Hillary. The only problem I got with her is her politics. Big issues with the politics. Well, there are some medical issues that need to be addressed and made public. But aside from that, if she was a Republican without all the cursed political baggage, I'd say she'd be mean enough for the job.
end quote



That woman sure has a lot of baggage, train loads of it. But, yep, she is as mean as a junk yard dog. I've seen her in action.

[Willow]

Well, I agree. And I feel like voting that way at times, but, I feel its just giving a vote to the wrong side.
I'd like to see a viable 3rd party. And, I know, I'm probably part of the problem.

But if everyone voted for the 3rd party like they wanted to then they would win.  ???

Fudge, you obviously don't understand the political makeup of the country.  Each of the two major parties has enough committed followers to almost win.  If everyone who leaned to a third party votes for it what it will do is cause whichever party is closer to the third party's stand to lose the election.  Case in point would be Bill Clinton's election.

The real answer would be multiple parties and the breakup of the two monopolizing giants.  I just don't see that happening in the near future.

[baldo]

Well, I agree. And I feel like voting that way at times, but, I feel its just giving a vote to the wrong side.
I'd like to see a viable 3rd party. And, I know, I'm probably part of the problem.

But if everyone voted for the 3rd party like they wanted to then they would win.  ???

Fudge, you obviously don't understand the political makeup of the country.  Each of the two major parties has enough committed followers to almost win.  If everyone who leaned to a third party votes for it what it will do is cause whichever party is closer to the third party's stand to lose the election.  Case in point would be Bill Clinton's election.

The real answer would be multiple parties and the breakup of the two monopolizing giants.  I just don't see that happening in the near future.

Also, the Nader influence, helping Bush 'win' his election....

[fudgie]

Well, I agree. And I feel like voting that way at times, but, I feel its just giving a vote to the wrong side.
I'd like to see a viable 3rd party. And, I know, I'm probably part of the problem.

But if everyone voted for the 3rd party like they wanted to then they would win.  ???

Fudge, you obviously don't understand the political makeup of the country.  Each of the two major parties has enough committed followers to almost win.  If everyone who leaned to a third party votes for it what it will do is cause whichever party is closer to the third party's stand to lose the election.  Case in point would be Bill Clinton's election.

The real answer would be multiple parties and the breakup of the two monopolizing giants.  I just don't see that happening in the near future.

No I understand. It just dosent make sense to me to vote for someone or something that you don't like just so the other thing or guy doesn't wins. We have libertarian senators so obviously it worked there.
Lets say...

Guy #1 D wants to ban guns.
Guy #2 R only wants to ban handguns
Guy #3 ? doesn't want to ban any guns.

Why would anyone want to vote for guy #2 so guy #1 doesn't win when they agree with Guy #3?

I don't know I guess I see rainbows and unicorns in my little world. 

[Patrick]

???  An R wants to ban handguns !   




 

[fudgie]

???  An R wants to ban handguns !   




 

It was a scenario.  But I do recall a R banning 'assault weapons'. 

[Patrick]

???  An R wants to ban handguns !   




 

It was a scenario.  But I do recall a R banning 'assault weapons'. 

I know.   

An R voted to ban assault weapons. Well, I can understand that.

But, I would get upset if an R voted to ban assault style [or looking] weapons. And, I have gotten upset over that.

[Willow]

No I understand. It just dosent make sense to me to vote for someone or something that you don't like just so the other thing or guy doesn't wins. ...
I don't know I guess I see rainbows and unicorns in my little world. 

The choice of vote is driven not only by how much one wants the candidate for whom he is voting but perhaps also by how badly he doesn't want a win for the one against whom he is voting.

Rainbows and Unicorns?    We're going to agree on that one, Brian.  Incidentally you missed a period.  That's often a very bad thing.   

The two major parties across the country are regularly vying for the small uncommitted group of voters in the middle.  In individual smaller samplings that may not be the case.