Drones registration

[dreamaker]

They were just saying on the TV channel 4 News, anyone with a drone must register it, with the FAA after Dec.21 with a $5.00 registration fee. Anyone, flying without registering it will be fined. That is what I understand at this point, so any RC aircraft, controlled remotely, from what I understand is considered a drone.  They did give much info. just a quick mention of it.

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And whose going to track down all the drones?

The same idiots in charge of tracking down illegal immigrants? Never mind the "legal" terrorists.

More insanity from this Fed Govt.

[dreamaker]

That is what I find interesting, they want you to register anything that could be considers a threat to them or guv.  Pissed me off, I just started building a new carbon fiber one.  Although they did estimate some ungodly amount of drones the be sold for Christmas. So there is going to be a whole bunch of A-Holes out there trying to fly drones.

[Rams]

I have a close friend in SE Texas that just had major heart surgery and was seriously considering getting a drone with camera so he could check his cattle herd out from his home.   He's restricted to just about anything requiring him to stand more than a few minutes.   

After checking into it he said to hell with it and will just have his wife go get on the tractor and take a go pro with her.   

In my way of thinking, this is a wonderful use for a drone but, apparently, he's a threat to someone.  Who'd have thunk it?      He told me it wasn't worth all the crap he would have to go through.   Whatever that is.

[old2soon]

I have a close friend in SE Texas that just had major heart surgery and was seriously considering getting a drone with camera so he could check his cattle herd out from his home.   He's restricted to just about anything requiring him to stand more than a few minutes.   

After checking into it he said to hell with it and will just have his wife go get on the tractor and take a go pro with her.   

In my way of thinking, this is a wonderful use for a drone but, apparently, he's a threat to someone.  Who'd have thunk it?      He told me it wasn't worth all the crap he would have to go through.   Whatever that is.

         The "crap involved" is the fed cuz some dumb assed end users insist on being stupid around commercial airliners. Plus that registration fee gonna take us outa debt!  RIDE SAFE.

[Serk]

I like my drones just like Obama likes his voters...

...undocumented...

 

[msb]

Personally, I'm against excessive government control  of many things in general, but I'm also against the ever-growing amount of idiots and downright unethical members of our societies these days having unfettered access and control of certain modern technologies. Commercial airlines, never mind small aircraft  have been brought down by birds...seems to me a lot of drones buzzing around uncontrolled could contribute to this hazard (admittedly not a huge one) as well . There's also the issue of drones increasingly being used for nefarious reasons....casing properties for burglary, illegal hunting, etc (I believe there's actually some laws here in BC already limiting their use for scoping game), and other less than innocent uses. I think we would all agree that proper training and licensing being required to ride a motorcycle or drive a car is a good thing...with the rapidly growing technology of drones and other radio controlled devices allowing greater and greater range and power, it's not totally out of mind to suggest some type of control might eventually be necessary. "Control" just for control sake or for reasons other than plain old common sense is certainly unwarranted, but let's face it - there are instances where if put in correctly, it can have a positive effect. Just a different perspective....

[dreamaker]

Radio Controlled Aircraft or what ever you want to call them, seems to have been around for ever.  Back in the early '70's, at the hobby shop there was a RC helicopter I wanted to get. The interesting thing is, why has it suddenly been considered a problem. I agree there are some real A-Holes with RC's, I get the feeling that they are not the issue to the guv. I seen on TV, two Quads that landed in the stadiums, One cost about $1200 that the other one ran about $3000+ those people lost, and should have, and been fined for that. There are really stupid people out there, whether it is a drone, gun, car or even a chain saw, its the people that are the problem, not the item. After Christmas you will probably hear allot of crap about drones and stupid people.

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Those using them for nefarious purposes will not register them.
Same applies to firearms.

[Fazer]

We were supposed to get a license to use a CB radio when they first became popular in the 70's.  How can our wonderful government possible keep track of these drones without establishing a new cabinet level position?  Next we will have a drone czar.

[Lyn-Del]

I'm waiting for my Lily camera.  It's a flying camera with a max altitude of 50 feet and no flight controls.  It follows a puck worn by the photo subject, gets no further than 100 feet away.  I suppose they'll want me to register my camera...

I'm sure it would interfere with aircraft flying below 100 feet.  I suspect an airplane flying at our below 100 feet probably has more to worry about than my camera.

[G-Man]

Gov't, especially one as liberal as ours, believes it is its responsibility to take care of us.  Unfortunately, there are to many morons that prove them right.  While I don't like having to register personal property with the gov't, morons who put airline passengers and employees in danger have made this a necessity. 

And how about those other morons aiming laser pointers at cockpits of airplanes??? 

[dreamaker]

When I had my 11" telescope, I had a Green laser pointer, supposedly it had a range of 10 miles. The purpose of the green laser vs. the red, the green laminates the dust in the air, where the red does not. So it becomes a long pointer, so when you are looking at the planets or stars and you want to point out a certain star to someone, you can do it just like a regular pointer. It wasn't made to shine in anyone's face, of course A-Holes have to screw it up as usual.

[msb]

Registration and Control are not necessarilly the same thing. I think most would agree that it's impossible for a government agency to properly maintain a registry of these, or other things that may need some type of control. By at least having some formally mandated and published rules for operation however, those idiots who are either too ignorant of inherent risks or invasion of privacy to others and are caught abusing these devices contrary to those rules can be heavilly fined. Some type of deterent at least.
Technologies are advancing so fast these days...many of these technologies provide significant and positive benefits to people and society in general, but there is always a down side as well. When automobiles only had a maximum speed of 15 - 20 mph there were no speed limits for the most part...once they became more popular and increased in size, power, and speed, speed limits and liscencing were made necessary. The old RC planes had very limited battery life and range so there was no need to impliment general rules of use...today's drones, etc however, not only have exceptional battery life, power and  range to realistically interfere with commercial air travel, but also when used in conjunction with new camera technology they have the  capability to record anything visually from high above unsuspecting citizens or their properties, so maybe a little more "Control" is required in this particular instance?

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Registration and Control are not necessarilly the same thing. I think most would agree that it's impossible for a government agency to properly maintain a registry of these, or other things that may need some type of control. By at least having some formally mandated and published rules for operation however, those idiots who are either too ignorant of inherent risks or invasion of privacy to others and are caught abusing these devices contrary to those rules can be heavilly fined. Some type of deterent at least.
Technologies are advancing so fast these days...many of these technologies provide significant and positive benefits to people and society in general, but there is always a down side as well. When automobiles only had a maximum speed of 15 - 20 mph there were no speed limits for the most part...once they became more popular and increased in size, power, and speed, speed limits and liscencing were made necessary. The old RC planes had very limited battery life and range so there was no need to impliment general rules of use...today's drones, etc however, not only have exceptional battery life, power and  range to realistically interfere with commercial air travel, but also when used in conjunction with new camera technology they have the  capability to record anything visually from high above unsuspecting citizens or their properties, so maybe a little more "Control" is required in this particular instance?

I think the opportunity to increase tax revenue was the root cause of licensing along with some ridiculous speed limits.

Yep, more Control is what the citizens need. 

[dreamaker]

Registration and Control are not necessarilly the same thing. I think most would agree that it's impossible for a government agency to properly maintain a registry of these, or other things that may need some type of control. By at least having some formally mandated and published rules for operation however, those idiots who are either too ignorant of inherent risks or invasion of privacy to others and are caught abusing these devices contrary to those rules can be heavilly fined. Some type of deterent at least.
Technologies are advancing so fast these days...many of these technologies provide significant and positive benefits to people and society in general, but there is always a down side as well. When automobiles only had a maximum speed of 15 - 20 mph there were no speed limits for the most part...once they became more popular and increased in size, power, and speed, speed limits and liscencing were made necessary. The old RC planes had very limited battery life and range so there was no need to impliment general rules of use...today's drones, etc however, not only have exceptional battery life, power and  range to realistically interfere with commercial air travel, but also when used in conjunction with new camera technology they have the  capability to record anything visually from high above unsuspecting citizens or their properties, so maybe a little more "Control" is required in this particular instance?

Privacy right!!  Show me the people in these pictures.





Again! The lens on these cameras, a so wide that it would need to be nearly on top of you to be worth anything.  Although they do make lenses,  to zoom in but cost more than the camera and are expensive. So rule of thumb is, if someone that can afford a drone and a camera to spy on you, then you are in serious trouble with the authorities. Look for black SUV's and helicopters.

[Moonshot_1]

Pass a law giving the Homeowner rights to the  1000' of airspace above their property. Enter my airspace with your drone, without expressed written permission, and I can charge you $1500 per entry.

Excessive entries without permission and the homeowner can be authorized to bring the drone down. 

Government should license drone defense professionals. Kinda like a Ghostbuster only against drones.

want to infringe on my privacy?

Don't think so.

[dreamaker]

Sounds like allot of fantasy talk! If I was a butt head, I would just go 1050 feet with a load of fresh dog crap and! Oops! sorry about that. Shooting  in the city, that a felony isn't it. Some of these units can go over 90mph, catch me if you can!!  In fact if it bothers you so much, than you must have something to hide, people that don't have anything to hide, it don't seem to bother them.

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It's $5 to register and an identification  number must be placed on the "drone".

Will this get added to the DNR rangers job description?

[msb]

Registration and Control are not necessarilly the same thing. I think most would agree that it's impossible for a government agency to properly maintain a registry of these, or other things that may need some type of control. By at least having some formally mandated and published rules for operation however, those idiots who are either too ignorant of inherent risks or invasion of privacy to others and are caught abusing these devices contrary to those rules can be heavilly fined. Some type of deterent at least.
Technologies are advancing so fast these days...many of these technologies provide significant and positive benefits to people and society in general, but there is always a down side as well. When automobiles only had a maximum speed of 15 - 20 mph there were no speed limits for the most part...once they became more popular and increased in size, power, and speed, speed limits and liscencing were made necessary. The old RC planes had very limited battery life and range so there was no need to impliment general rules of use...today's drones, etc however, not only have exceptional battery life, power and  range to realistically interfere with commercial air travel, but also when used in conjunction with new camera technology they have the  capability to record anything visually from high above unsuspecting citizens or their properties, so maybe a little more "Control" is required in this particular instance?

I think the opportunity to increase tax revenue was the root cause of licensing along with some ridiculous speed limits.

Yep, more Control is what the citizens need. 

I'm sure tax revenue may have been a part of the plan as it usually is with any governemnt mandated liscencing , but I would also suggest that instituting speed limits has saved countless innocent lives over the years as size, power, speed, and quantity of vehicles has grown dramatically. I'll grant you that the use of the word "control" in conjunction with the word "government" may not have been the best choice on my part....that does seem a bit too scary now that I think about it
Posting on general topic forums becomes boring if everyone agrees 100% with each other on every topic. I beleive there are legitimate concerns regarding the everyday unregulated use of drones these days, so these are just my opinions...

[dreamaker]

I think what you say and express is right, And I am willing to believe that 99.99% of the people on this board would never do something as stupid to any of their neighbors.
 It just seems sometimes the people that respect others and follow the rules, have to put up with the crap that the offenders create. If you have something that can cause damage to others, you should be responsible and accountable for your actions, that simple.  I just seems sometimes when people do something interesting, that authorities have to turn it into a cash cow.

[Jersey mike]

I read this article in the paper this morning;

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/12/14/drone-registry-faa/77275676/

there is also a quick video with the news article. registration is meant for drones over 9 ounces...so they say, but what officer is going to weigh a drone.

[dreamaker]

Did someone say the DNR was going to handle it, around here those guys come out of the woodwork, I mean come out of no ware.  I never had issues with them, but I know people that have, and it was not a happy party. They are usually pretty efficient at their job.

[solo1]

As a former councilman, I know that ordinances are drafted and become law because of a perceived or real problem. Nature abhors a vacuum and politicians ,like nature, fill vacuums with laws. (kinda awkward way of saying it, LOL)

To me, it looks like some arseholes went to extremes and now the vacuum is being filled.  I'm not against or for this.  However, how would this affect someone shooting down a drone, a registered flying machine with the FAA?

[The emperor has no clothes]

This question has nothing to do with registration, but I've been thinking about getting a cheap one. I was thinking that taking video with it would be pretty cool. Not here in town but somewhere with neat geography. But I've never flown anything and was wondering  if an old man could control them ? If I am likely to crash my camera into a cliff I'll pass.

[dreamaker]

There are a few flight simulators for RC aircraft, you use an actual we call it a radio, public call it a controller or transmitter. I have Phoenix 5 Flight Simulator, I can use my DX8 transmitter for my quads to control the simulator. This give you the feel of the real deal, its the closest to the real thing.  Different aircraft, landscapes,  Environment, conditions, even can compete online .  Its pretty cool, there are other ones out there, some come with a transmitter/controller, other ones is ClearView and RealFlight,  Looks awesome on a 46" TV plugged into my computer.

[dreamaker]

I just went online to the FAA site to check out the steps needed to register the quad. All's I can say is WOW!!! I am hoping I got it wrong, talk to a couple hobby shop people, and they said they got the notices, but not sure what to do at this point. Dec.21 starts the registration, its easier to by guns, and ammo. What's next??? Apparently the guv are really scared of this toy, in the public hands. So if you think, so if  some butt head is going to use it for bad things, do you really think they will register it first?  Check this out!!

http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certification/aircraft_registry/UA/

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When I cut and paste the web page URL


http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certification/aircraft_registry/UA/#SampleStatements

 this sentence pops up

"Registration is not required for model aircraft operated solely for hobby or recreational purposes. "

Confused???

[Jess from VA]

I start out opposing any/all govt regulation, then study it further to see if it warrants an exception.

The thing that concerns me about these things would be how easy it would be to mate a (lifting) drone with a cheap camera, gasoline, soap flakes (home made napalm) and an igniter and run it into a high value target.... or my house.  

It seems a hovering machine would be easier to control to an exact impact point than conventional fixed wing RC aircraft.

A bit more important than ordinary privacy issues.

[MP]

If you are going to use one for terrorism, are you going to register it?

Are they going to prohibit those on the no fly list from buying one?

I dont see how registering good owners, stops the neferious ones.

[dreamaker]

Try this! We would be under sUA Reg.

http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certification/aircraft_registry/UA/

I can understand the concerns about bad people clearly! But my focus is not on the drone issue, as much as it is how the guv are at this point handling it and controlling it. The people at the hobby shop don't have a clue what to do, or how to do, or WHAT. They are totally in the dark. You see it on TV as a simple process, but if you go to the FAA web site it looks like a nightmare. Maybe some of our pilots can clear it up for us. May be I am just reading too much in to it.

[dreamaker]

Here we are Registration Day for drones, seems they supposedly made it easier to .  Below is the web page if you have one, if it weighs from .55lb including load to 55lb they must be registered. Below is the site for registration.   Also below are signs that can be printed out, that has been provided by the FAA if you want to display No Drone Zone.

http://www.faa.gov/uas/registration/


http://www.faa.gov/uas/no_drone_zone/media/2015-FAA-193_UAS_Toolkit_sd02.pdf

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Those signs can easily b seen from an altitude of 100ft, 200ft, 500ft