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« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2015, 12:00:38 PM » |
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Pissed me off, I was watching Dr. Oz on how to make almond milk, and suddenly blurts out NEWS BREAK, Bill Cosby arrested for sexual assault. And I missed how to make almond milk because of that butt head.
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« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2015, 03:39:43 PM » |
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I guess I can say that I never liked him, especially during the years when he was on his anti-white rants.
I started to re-think that position just a bit when he started making sense about about the welfare system and failure of the family structure.
But, he has been accused of these attacks for decades. So, its about time.
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« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2015, 04:06:34 PM » |
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I was watching the news and they showed him being helped. He can't play the race card, so he is trying the sympathy and pity cards to see if they will work. The sad thing to me is, if you have to drug a female to nail her, that is really pitiful and sad, and you can't be much of a man.
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« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2015, 05:36:04 PM » |
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what bothers me about the whole thing is, all the hours I spent listening to his stuff on albums. all the laughter as a kid and knowing all the skits, putting some of his catch phrases into everyday life like "come around idiot, come around". As a kid who went through years of Catholic School laughing to Noah and learning about some things in life as well as enjoying the Fat Albert cartoons on Saturdays.
Apparently this guy is nothing better than all the other scumbags out there and his goodie 2shoes persona was all BS.
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« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2015, 05:43:49 PM » |
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I'll wait until after the jury makes their ruling. I try to not cross any bridges before I get to them.
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« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2015, 05:44:57 PM » |
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what bothers me about the whole thing is, all the hours I spent listening to his stuff on albums. all the laughter as a kid and knowing all the skits, putting some of his catch phrases into everyday life like "come around idiot, come around". As a kid who went through years of Catholic School laughing to Noah and learning about some things in life as well as enjoying the Fat Albert cartoons on Saturdays.
Apparently this guy is nothing better than all the other scumbags out there and his goodie 2shoes persona was all BS.
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« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2015, 06:22:20 PM » |
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I'll wait until after the jury makes their ruling. I try to not cross any bridges before I get to them.
Agree. He certainly did a lot of good in his life, and set a fine example for decades. The number of accusers against him is damning, but he deserves due process before final judgment. As do we all. |
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« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2015, 06:31:45 PM » |
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It's disappointing to hear all that's being said of his life style and choices. I guess there's a reason the filthy rich are referred to as filthy rich.
I repeatedly enjoyed what he did for entertainment and even hearing of what good he did off stage. As far as our being duped, I really don't think any of the entertainers make much claim of being exactly what we think they are from their acts.
It's disappointing. He's seventy eight years old. I hope he's as disappointed as I am.
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« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2015, 07:08:54 PM » |
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It's disappointing to hear all that's being said of his life style and choices. I guess there's a reason the filthy rich are referred to as filthy rich.
I repeatedly enjoyed what he did for entertainment and even hearing of what good he did off stage. As far as our being duped, I really don't think any of the entertainers make much claim of being exactly what we think they are from their acts.
It's disappointing. He's seventy eight years old. I hope he's as disappointed as I am.
Thats true. But he also had much to say in his "real" life about morals and such. For me this is where the duped part comes in. I'm sure he is disappointed , not so sure if he is remorseful. |
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« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2015, 08:03:41 PM » |
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Maybe him and charlie sheen outta get a room together and see where it leads?  |
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« Reply #11 on: December 31, 2015, 03:21:55 AM » |
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he just was following the actions of his white/black president BC.
just remember this woman filed a police report 1 yr after the incident happened and this now is almost 12 yrs after that, just under the statue of limitations. so all he has to say is "I don't remember" just like the Clintons.
maybe she just didn't like a chocolate jello pudding pop.
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« Reply #12 on: December 31, 2015, 05:46:03 AM » |
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I'll wait until after the jury makes their ruling. I try to not cross any bridges before I get to them.
Agree. He certainly did a lot of good in his life, and set a fine example for decades. The number of accusers against him is damning, but he deserves due process before final judgment. As do we all. Agreed. Lets not convict, lets have the trial first. I am always leery of sexual assualt, child molestation, etc., that only come to trial MANY YEARS after the event. Time messes up many memories. I know my wife and I disagree about exactly how and what happened years ago. We remember the same general event, but we remember some of the details differently. So, 12 years? Evidence was not good enough to file on before, but the same evidence is suddenly good enough, DAYS before Statue of Limitations runs out? Brought by a different Prosecutor, who ran in the election promising to go after Cosby? That said, it looks like he is guilty. He is due Due Process before being convicted. Just remember the LaCross team that was convicted by the public, lives ruined, and then found out that the accuser made it all up. ALL of it. |
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« Reply #13 on: December 31, 2015, 06:15:13 AM » |
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He deserves due process, but he has already admitted to slipping her a Mickey and then having "consentual" sex with her. Seems contradictory to me. EDIT: Now I'm hearing she agreed to the wine and pills, but not to the sex. That seems a bit weird, too. Let the court hash it out. |
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« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2015, 07:32:31 AM » |
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Heard on the news last night that they were talking about extending the statute of limitations for this case, which kind of struck us changing the rules in the middle of the game.
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« Reply #15 on: December 31, 2015, 10:42:00 AM » |
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He deserves due process, but he has already admitted to slipping her a Mickey and then having "consentual" sex with her. Seems contradictory to me. EDIT: Now I'm hearing she agreed to the wine and pills, but not to the sex. That seems a bit weird, too. Let the court hash it out. Yep. She said she AGREED to the alcohol and the pills. Seems like that puts at least some of the responsibility on her. |
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« Reply #16 on: December 31, 2015, 10:58:30 AM » |
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He deserves due process, but he has already admitted to slipping her a Mickey and then having "consentual" sex with her. Seems contradictory to me. EDIT: Now I'm hearing she agreed to the wine and pills, but not to the sex. That seems a bit weird, too. Let the court hash it out. Yep. She said she AGREED to the alcohol and the pills. Seems like that puts at least some of the responsibility on her. I'm not judging one way or the other, Melvin, but wouldn't that logic make any rape victim that had been at the bar partially responsible for her incident? My concern was really not so much whether Bill Cosby is guilty of what he is accused of in this case, but of the large number of stories of his less than honorable behavior. Then again Robin Williams killed himself. Maybe all comics are screwed up. Comics are not a race, are they? I wouldn't want to be guilty of that.  |
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« Reply #17 on: December 31, 2015, 01:05:00 PM » |
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Mr. Cosby has had a rather large target on his back ever since he chose to suggest that blacks should be more responsible for their own behaviors, instead of spewing out the typical liberal victim agenda. I'm certainly willing to give him the benefit of the doubt while the process continues.
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« Reply #18 on: December 31, 2015, 01:59:24 PM » |
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Can't feel sorry for someone that has over 50 accusers. He is now 78, and perhaps I could feel more sorry for him if he actually came foreword, felt serious remorse, apologized to the victims, and came clean. None of us can ever go back and undo the wrongs we have done, but we can come clean on the things we have done wrong and the people we have hurt!
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« Reply #19 on: December 31, 2015, 02:11:52 PM » |
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He deserves due process, but he has already admitted to slipping her a Mickey and then having "consentual" sex with her. Seems contradictory to me. EDIT: Now I'm hearing she agreed to the wine and pills, but not to the sex. That seems a bit weird, too. Let the court hash it out. Yep. She said she AGREED to the alcohol and the pills. Seems like that puts at least some of the responsibility on her. I'm not judging one way or the other, Melvin, but wouldn't that logic make any rape victim that had been at the bar partially responsible for her incident? Maybe not "any" rape victim at the bar. But, one that KNOWINGLY got drunk, AND took drugs? Yes. The key word is "partially". If I decide to walk down the street in a known gang area of a city, and I am attacked, am I at least partially responsible for that? I believe I am. I believe I am responsible for my actions. If I go into a bar, have cash money in all my pockets, wave it all around, buying drinks, get falling down drunk, and am "relieved" of my burden of carrying all that cash around, am I partially responsible for that happening? I believe I am. If you put yourself in a position of being hurt, I believe you are at least partially responsible for that action. That does NOT mean the other party is not at fault. Not at all. Do you believe she has NO responsibility at all for knowingly taking drugs and alcohol, and having bad things happen? Would you tell your daughter to do that? I would not. Is it her "fault"? No. Does she share responsibility? I believe she does. Could she have prevented it by acting differently? Probably. I was brought up to be aware of the situation surrounding me, and to do my best to NOT KNOWINGLY go into a situation that is dangerous. Does this relieve Cosby of guilt, assuming it happened as she claims? Absolutely not. |
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« Reply #20 on: December 31, 2015, 03:23:58 PM » |
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He told her the 3 half pills were to only relax her. There is some discussion that they were 'Ludes.
Three half 'Ludes, do more than relax you (esp if you add wine).
Ordinarily, other bad acts are not admissible (as more prejudicial, than probative), BUT if there is a common scheme, plan, design, MO, then these other bad acts can come into evidence.
Doping people up to have sex with them is certainly criminal behavior. If it was purely voluntary, why the dope/alcohol?
Still, over a decade after the fact, this will be an uphill prosecution, and extinguishing all reasonable doubt will be difficult.
This is only Thursday evening quarterbacking. (Speaking of which, back to the game)
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« Reply #21 on: December 31, 2015, 04:43:46 PM » |
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Bottom Line is! It don't matter if a woman is standing on her head with a dress on, If she says NO that means NO!!!! and it is not consensual.
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« Reply #22 on: December 31, 2015, 10:33:17 PM » |
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Bottom Line is! It don't matter if a woman is standing on her head with a dress on, If she says NO that means NO!!!! and it is not consensual.
But, she did not say no. Dont know if legally she could. I guess, this all is speculation. Lets wait for the legal eagles to play it out in the real court, and see. |
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this will turn into like a similar OJ Simpson trial. If the glove don't fit, must aquit (spelling?).  Cosby will get off the hook just like OJ did and we all know BOTH are 99.99% guilty as charged. The whole court system millions spent with be for nothing. Just wait and see, I am betting the odds are right that he will get off with just a slap on the wrist just like the juice OJ did. We all know darn well OJ killed his wife just like we all know Cosby raped/had sex with all those women. It amazes me though that Cosby's wife is still with him, but my guess here is she knew it was going on all those years and didn't say a word to anyone. Money and fame will do that to you I guess and she didn't want to loose that?? |
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« Reply #24 on: January 01, 2016, 09:33:03 AM » |
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this will turn into like a similar OJ Simpson trial. If the glove don't fit, must aquit (spelling?). Cosby will get off the hook just like OJ did and we all know BOTH are 99.99% guilty as charged. The whole court system millions spent with be for nothing. Just wait and see, I am betting the odds are right that he will get off with just a slap on the wrist just like the juice OJ did. We all know darn well OJ killed his wife just like we all know Cosby raped/had sex with all those women. It amazes me though that Cosby's wife is still with him, but my guess here is she knew it was going on all those years and didn't say a word to anyone. Money and fame will do that to you I guess and she didn't want to loose that?? Sorry, you said "all", but I do not know they are 99.99% guilty. I wasn't on O.J.'s jury, so I didn't get any info that the main stream media didn't report. I won't be on Cosby's jury either. |
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YA!!!! and Whitney Huston and daughter did not take drugs, and MJ did not have pajama sleep over with 12yr old boys, get the fact straight!
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« Reply #26 on: January 01, 2016, 01:12:59 PM » |
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Sorry, you said "all", but I do not know they are 99.99% guilty. I wasn't on O.J.'s jury, so I didn't get any info that the main stream media didn't report. I won't be on Cosby's jury either. I'm with the Valker on this one. I made the mistake of reading something I would've normally just passed by. BY the way, the jury did not find that O.J. did not kill his wife. Juries don't do that. The jury found there was not enough evidence to conclude beyond a reasonable doubt that he did kill his wife. All the folks in the country that are certain that he did are basing their assessment on what the media (primarily in the business of entertainment) delivered rather than the legal evidence that the jury was required to consider. As for me I don't know whether he did or didn't. I do believe that an over zealous police detective went out of his way to frame O.J. Simpson and in so doing rendered a great deal of the real evidence meaningless. I don't think O.J. Simpson could have done a better job of planning that. I'm not sure Bill Cosby is guilty of that with which he is charged. I'm pretty sure his behavior was below what I would have found acceptable not only in this particular case but in a pattern of incidents. |
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He deserves due process, but he has already admitted to slipping her a Mickey and then having "consentual" sex with her. Seems contradictory to me. EDIT: Now I'm hearing she agreed to the wine and pills, but not to the sex. That seems a bit weird, too. Let the court hash it out. Yep. She said she AGREED to the alcohol and the pills. Seems like that puts at least some of the responsibility on her. I'm not judging one way or the other, Melvin, but wouldn't that logic make any rape victim that had been at the bar partially responsible for her incident? My concern was really not so much whether Bill Cosby is guilty of what he is accused of in this case, but of the large number of stories of his less than honorable behavior. Then again Robin Williams killed himself. Maybe all comics are screwed up. Comics are not a race, are they? I wouldn't want to be guilty of that. I believe that statement makes you a humorist though. |
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I'm never going to eat Jello Pudding again!!
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I'm never going to eat Jello Pudding again!!
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Someone has a more twisted sense of humor than even I do... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHJ-P47sKjI |
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