Obama to impose new gun control curbs next week happy new year

[The emperor has no clothes]

Baldo, you are not going to get any specific laws that he broke out of them. Obama could go completely right wing neo con and they are still going to HATE him. As far as they are concerned he is the devil. You and I and others of similar political persuasion are just going to have to live with this fact for one more year. (Actually probably forever).

[..]

I think we should institute Obama control measures!

Really? Anything particular in mind?

You start if you dare  

Or do you think he has done no wrong? 

Crickets.

[baldo]

I think we should institute Obama control measures!

Really? Anything particular in mind?

You start if you dare  

Or do you think he has done no wrong? 

Crickets.

Britman, if that was directed at me, you're barking up the wrong tree. I've always said that I realize Obama isn't perfect. There are many things I'm definitely not happy about. But name me a President that has been perfect.

I couldn't stand Bush, and absolutely feel that he and Cheney should be in prison for what they've done. But the raw hatred for Obama that is witnessed on this site is simply amazing.

[baldo]

Baldo, you are not going to get any specific laws that he broke out of them. Obama could go completely right wing neo con and they are still going to HATE him. As far as they are concerned he is the devil. You and I and others of similar political persuasion are just going to have to live with this fact for one more year. (Actually probably forever).

Meathead, you're absolutely right. It's all about the blind hatred. And I suspect it would be even worse if there wasn't a decent admin for this site.

[..]

Baldo, you are not going to get any specific laws that he broke out of them. Obama could go completely right wing neo con and they are still going to HATE him. As far as they are concerned he is the devil. You and I and others of similar political persuasion are just going to have to live with this fact for one more year. (Actually probably forever).

Meathead, you're absolutely right. It's all about the blind hatred. And I suspect it would be even worse if there wasn't a decent admin for this site.

If as you both claim it's hatred what do you think inspires this emotion?

[Varmintmist]

Need to break this down a bit

Protect yourse3lf from what?

99.99% of people spend their whole life never having the oppo to use a fun to "protect" themsleves. There are thousands of peoiple every year who need protection _from_ themsleves...gun suicides. There are many more gun accidents. There are many more gun murders.There is pretty clear evidence that in an emergency situation,even gun-trained people will "shoot themselvea (or someone else) in the foot" when trying to "protect" themselves and other against local attack.

There are also thousands more that defend themselves without firing a shot. I personally have done it twice. Both were at home, so I didnt go looking. I have never lived in a crime area, both incidents were rural.

IIRC the right to bear arms (given a LONG time ago) was about NATIONAL  defence, when America felt threatened by Britain and maybe others. Either it has been twisted by gun-lovers, or by paranoid nationalists who still feel that the world outside the USA is out to GET the USA, to fight tooth and claw to allow as many guns as possible. Yet the US....no,I will not go there in this forum.

The right to keep and bear arms is recognized by the constitution, not given. We already have it. The 2A is a restriction on the GOVERNMENT, not the people. Because the 10 really good ideas stated that "thou shalt not do murder" a long time ago, does that mean that they were wrong or that it is OK in a modern age?

If you go into life looking for trouble, you are more likely to find it.

I did not want to get into this, but VRCC is selling shirts about this stuff and it really p'd me off. I stayed out of it, and now I read these posts.

BTW, freedom means you can ascribe any motive you like to Obama, but he is as free as you and was elected. I truly believe he is NOT stupid...god no..try going head to head in aq debate with that guy ok?..and is not trying to wreck the US. He just believes in stuff that you don't and rubbishing the man is not argument worth consideration

He believes in stuff, that is against the basic foundation of the country. So, if he implements it, then he is trying to change (wreck) the basic tenants that have made the US what it is. Personally, I dont want to become a euro-socialist state and be at best average and in debt.

Now, as to gun control in AU. You have reduced gun crime. Ummm, duh? If you took all of the cars away, you would reduce drunk driving. You wouldnt eliminate it , because the drunks have access to tractors and bikes, they would find a way.
Likewise, you didnt reduce overall crime. IIRC it is up across AU. It is much more likely that a woman will be raped in the AU now than the US. At home break ins are at a epidemic rates in AU suicides overall remain the same. Assault is up across the board.
I helped my son with a paper so I know the information is out there if you want to find it.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Baldo, you are not going to get any specific laws that he broke out of them. Obama could go completely right wing neo con and they are still going to HATE him. As far as they are concerned he is the devil. You and I and others of similar political persuasion are just going to have to live with this fact for one more year. (Actually probably forever).

Meathead, you're absolutely right. It's all about the blind hatred. And I suspect it would be even worse if there wasn't a decent admin for this site.

If as you both claim it's hatred what do you think inspires this emotion?

The explanations for love and hate are way over my pay grade . I'm just a simple butcher. 

[Robert]

Well I guess you both have a point in that these are not convictions but accusations. Just like someone arrested they are not guilty until a court hearing convicting them.

  This is my problem with the left or liberals, they accuse with conviction of a court but accusations against them are just that unfounded accusations. Its a blindness that is contributed to by self serving motives blinding them from accepting and acting upon the truth.

Its like the wife that cheats on her husband even to the point of him coming home and finding her in bed with another man, but because the husband loves her refuses to see her unfaithfulness until she files for divorce. Then he is devastated and asks what happened.

We had this with Adam and Eve, Adam blamed Eve he listened to Eve instead of his Maker, but all who came after them were under a curse because of one man. But Jesus came and lifted the curse, so history hopefully one day will repeat itself before we loose the country.

 Its really pointless with you two because you don't present facts either like how he did not break the law either in these cases listed. Both of you just sit there in judgement and say there is no wrong doing. Not proving there isnt.

We the people are the court, not the courts not the politicians WE THE PEOPLE. A jury can throw out the law and release a person if circumstance dictate. More and more people see this failed and corrupt administration for what it is. People our peers are trying more and more to get the government to listen and move on these accusations. But in a corrupt government when the needs of the people are not being addressed and a majority at this point see these failures there will be problems.

They work for us, they are supposed to follow rules on how to do that. When they have a private agenda break the rules to achieve it  that goes against the majority of people and actually hurts them or this country we love and live in what should the reaction be??

How does it feel to be in the minority on this issue? Do you really think you know better than a majority of the population that you would not question what the problem is?

I would have a hard time liking someone who hurt a loved one of mine, how much should I not like the person who I see as destroying a country I live in? Breaking laws, putting in personal agenda, taxation without representation.
                                                                          NOT UPHOLDING HIS OATH OF OFFICE.

[..]

Baldo, you are not going to get any specific laws that he broke out of them. Obama could go completely right wing neo con and they are still going to HATE him. As far as they are concerned he is the devil. You and I and others of similar political persuasion are just going to have to live with this fact for one more year. (Actually probably forever).

Meathead, you're absolutely right. It's all about the blind hatred. And I suspect it would be even worse if there wasn't a decent admin for this site.

If as you both claim it's hatred what do you think inspires this emotion?

The explanations for love and hate are way over my pay grade . I'm just a simple butcher. 

Why can't I get English bacon in the USA?

How do I instruct my local meat guy to be able to get it?

[MP]

Baldo, you are not going to get any specific laws that he broke out of them. Obama could go completely right wing neo con and they are still going to HATE him. As far as they are concerned he is the devil. You and I and others of similar political persuasion are just going to have to live with this fact for one more year. (Actually probably forever).

Sorry.  I do NOT "hate" him.  I hate his policies.  I "hate" what he is doing to the ideals I believe in, and have been the bedrock of America from the beginning.  

Why is it when we disagree with his policies, we "hate" HIM?

As far as Hillary, several have been sentenced and found guilty for mishandling Classified information.  She has done the same to over 1000 documented pieces of Classified material, and so far nothing.  And, I really doubt if Justice will prosecute.  You know, all Dems!

[Art708]

  WELL SAID, Mark!


You are an Australian and you jump into this like you have any say in this matter?  You need to rethink this bud.

The 2nd Amendment is about keeping the ability to stop a rogue government.  It was and is intended to protect us from the very administration we have RIGHT NOW.  That is why obama is so bent on shutting it down.  He can't have too much power in his view.  The self-protection and hunting are merely side benefits of an armed populace.

Obama was elected BECAUSE HE IS BLACK.  By the apologist liberals, the free crap army, and the black community who voted on their skin color not the issues.  96% of them.  Nothing is free.  And now even the morons might be realizing that.  Meanwhile the bastard is doing everything he can to "fundamentally change" our country.  While he craps on our founding principles, the Constitution.

If you don't like the shirts - don't buy one. Clearly they are not intended for you.  If you don't like the politics - don't open the thread.  And stay with the issues in your own country.
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[Gavin_Sons]

Baldo, you are not going to get any specific laws that he broke out of them. Obama could go completely right wing neo con and they are still going to HATE him. As far as they are concerned he is the devil. You and I and others of similar political persuasion are just going to have to live with this fact for one more year. (Actually probably forever).

Sorry.  I do NOT "hate" him.  I hate his policies.  I "hate" what he is doing to the ideals I believe in, and have been the bedrock of America from the beginning.  

Why is it when we disagree with his policies, we "hate" HIM?

As far as Hillary, several have been sentenced and found guilty for mishandling Classified information.  She has done the same to over 1000 documented pieces of Classified material, and so far nothing.  And, I really doubt if Justice will prosecute.  You know, all Dems!

I hate him and hildabeast, with a passion.

[Varmintmist]

Baldo, you are not going to get any specific laws that he broke out of them. Obama could go completely right wing neo con and they are still going to HATE him. As far as they are concerned he is the devil. You and I and others of similar political persuasion are just going to have to live with this fact for one more year. (Actually probably forever).

You mean like the illegal gun running in fast and furious? Explain away that one. Just this one.

Under his direction, his administration broke US laws regarding the sale and transfer of firearms  (felonies) and international law by NOT getting the Mexican govt involved and moving illegal firearms into a neighboring country. The end result of this is supplying firearms to criminals which has resulted in many Mexican deaths, and 2 American LEO deaths that the firearms sold to criminals by the policies of the Obama administration. There is a real good chance that there are a lot more, but those are the ones that they have traced. FYI, Eric Holder (Obama AG) and the Mexican authorities verify the death toll.
Obama is as responsible for the deaths as as any mob boss is responsible for the hits done under their orders, and we have put a lot of them in jail.

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

Obama is not dumb, although his VP seems to be.

And I don't hate obama, but I do believe he hates citizens like me who support our civil rights, and who believe in the dream of our founders.

As a matter of fact, I think he hates America and seeks our destruction. Why else would he encourage racism, sign agreements which are written to benefit other countries while hurting us, and try to destroy the very fabric of our country, our Constitution?

Anything good for America, he opposes. Anything that hurts America, he supports. If, at any time he seems to be supporting something that helps our country (I can't think of an instance) it's probably because he knows something we don't about how it will hurt us.

I think our enemies, both within and outside our country realize this is the last year we will have a president who is not on our side and "all hell" is going to be breaking loose worldwide as they try to take advantage of it. Probably the worst case scenario is that he gets to replace one of the supporters of our Constitution who currently sit on the Supreme Court. If that happens he could truly bring down the country and I think we should all pray for their health during this last year of extreme danger to our country.

[Willow]

After reading through this, I'm still asking the question. The statement was made, 'they should be in jail on charges'. I asked for specific laws that were broken to back it up. What I got was a big ball of marshmallow. Your first couple of sentences couldn't be any more vague.....

These are all talking points of those on the right. Hell, I'd love to see Bush in prison for lying us into war and killing 4500 servicemen, but I don't see this happening.

He's got one more year in office. I hope he really steps on some necks, it should really give most of the members here something to talk about.

Baldo, please walk carefully so that you don't get drawn into doing what others are doing.  You and I don't agree on much at all, but we can express our disagreements without disrespect or ridicule.  I've slipped out of that a few times.

We don't really see enough of the people reading this board to know what "most" do or don't like.  We can get caught up in the vocal few who are wrapped up in themselves and believe they represent "most".  I hope they don't at least in form.

I find most of the arguments about why the politicians we don't like should be in prison legally ignorant at best.  I really, really don't like Barrack Obama and I think his election as president was very bad for this country.  I don't blame him for it, though.  He was pretty open about what he stands for and the larger group of American voters elected him.  I see the primary problem being with the choice of the American voters.

I remember well when we went to war with Iraq,  I'm pretty sure you and I both realize that President Bush did not lie to anyone about why we were going into Iraq.  We both recall the entire congress, both houses, approving that move and not at all along party lines.  Please don't go there just because the small minds of the other side keep beating the drum of why the politicians they didn't elect should be in jail.  Opposition politicians sent to jail?  That has a familiar tone, doesn't it?  I'm pretty sure we saw that done in several countries during the twentieth century and not one of them was in a governmental environment that we would want to emulate.

There was another place where someone said that if Barrack Obama became an extreme right conservative we would still hate him.  I don't think we'll ever see whether or not that would be true but the statement implies that conservatives are against him for something other than what he stands for.   I think most of us know that's bullshit.  Incidentally, let me reiterate that it's not personal hatred that I hold against him.  It is precisely what he stands for that I am against.  

Baldo, I applaud you for maintaining a respectful manner in the face of a lot of rabid talk with which you don't agree.  I honestly wish more on my side of the discussion would do the same.    

BTW, and this is not for Baldo, I try to watch these discussions that get out of hand.  If I get it before it's too old to make a difference, any reply that says to another, "If you disagree with me you must be blind or stupid," will get removed.  It will be that way until someone above me tells me to do otherwise.  If you don't approve of that feel free to go puke on someone else's board.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Willow, you are correct. I should not have implied that all conservatives feel this way. I know that not to be true. 

[Gavin_Sons]

I didnt say if you disagree with me you must be blind or stupid. Good job at being a great administrator there willow. 

[The emperor has no clothes]

Baldo, you are not going to get any specific laws that he broke out of them. Obama could go completely right wing neo con and they are still going to HATE him. As far as they are concerned he is the devil. You and I and others of similar political persuasion are just going to have to live with this fact for one more year. (Actually probably forever).

Meathead, you're absolutely right. It's all about the blind hatred. And I suspect it would be even worse if there wasn't a decent admin for this site.

If as you both claim it's hatred what do you think inspires this emotion?

The explanations for love and hate are way over my pay grade . I'm just a simple butcher. 

Why can't I get English bacon in the USA?

How do I instruct my local meat guy to be able to get it?

I'm not sure if Irish bacon and English bacon are the same, but when we were in Ireland we would get Eggs & Rashers for breakfast. It was delicious . The problem over here is that the section of pork that comprises rashers is not used that way in America. The boneless pork loin and pork belly are separated here. Most of the pork loins are not cured here except for what we call Canadian Bacon. But that is also smoked unlike the rashers. I think to get true rashers here you would need to know someone that raises pigs and also has the ability to cure meat. That's a tall order these days. It would probably be easier and cheaper to become a meat smuggler and sneak it on the plane. 

[baldo]

After reading through this, I'm still asking the question. The statement was made, 'they should be in jail on charges'. I asked for specific laws that were broken to back it up. What I got was a big ball of marshmallow. Your first couple of sentences couldn't be any more vague.....

These are all talking points of those on the right. Hell, I'd love to see Bush in prison for lying us into war and killing 4500 servicemen, but I don't see this happening.

He's got one more year in office. I hope he really steps on some necks, it should really give most of the members here something to talk about.

Baldo, please walk carefully so that you don't get drawn into doing what others are doing.  You and I don't agree on much at all, but we can express our disagreements without disrespect or ridicule.  I've slipped out of that a few times.

We don't really see enough of the people reading this board to know what "most" do or don't like.  We can get caught up in the vocal few who are wrapped up in themselves and believe they represent "most".  I hope they don't at least in form.

I find most of the arguments about why the politicians we don't like should be in prison legally ignorant at best.  I really, really don't like Barrack Obama and I think his election as president was very bad for this country.  I don't blame him for it, though.  He was pretty open about what he stands for and the larger group of American voters elected him.  I see the primary problem being with the choice of the American voters.

I remember well when we went to war with Iraq,  I'm pretty sure you and I both realize that President Bush did not lie to anyone about why we were going into Iraq.  We both recall the entire congress, both houses, approving that move and not at all along party lines.  Please don't go there just because the small minds of the other side keep beating the drum of why the politicians they didn't elect should be in jail.  Opposition politicians sent to jail?  That has a familiar tone, doesn't it?  I'm pretty sure we saw that done in several countries during the twentieth century and not one of them was in a governmental environment that we would want to emulate.

There was another place where someone said that if Barrack Obama became an extreme right conservative we would still hate him.  I don't think we'll ever see whether or not that would be true but the statement implies that conservatives are against him for something other than what he stands for.   I think most of us know that's bullshit.  Incidentally, let me reiterate that it's not personal hatred that I hold against him.  It is precisely what he stands for that I am against.  

Baldo, I applaud you for maintaining a respectful manner in the face of a lot of rabid talk with which you don't agree.  I honestly wish more on my side of the discussion would do the same.    

BTW, and this is not for Baldo, I try to watch these discussions that get out of hand.  If I get it before it's too old to make a difference, any reply that says to another, "If you disagree with me you must be blind or stupid," will get removed.  It will be that way until someone above me tells me to do otherwise.  If you don't approve of that feel free to go puke on someone else's board.

Willow, first off. Thanks very much for the vote of confidence. I really do make a concerted effort to not get down and nasty when getting involved in these discussions. That doesn't mean I'm not thinking it, though...

It's true, you and I do walk on different sides of the same path, but I find it refreshing to be able to discuss our differences in a calm, respectful manner. I don't like the instant anger when going back and forth with someone that disagrees with me, but I'm not one to back down from it. There are times when maybe I should have just ignored a thread, or a response within that thread. My Dad always complained that I'd rather fight than eat. Looking at my waistline, I'm not sure what to think about that....

As far as those that have an intense dislike for Obama. I can certainly appreciate the argument about his policies. Hell, there's quite a bit that I can't stand about them. But overall I think he's done an excellent job, considering what was handed over to him, and the intense obstruction he's had to deal with for the last 7 years. I shudder to think where we'd be if McCain or Romney had won.

Anyway, thanks again. I was pleasantly surprised to see your post. I was off-line for a few hours today and wasn't really looking forward to the replies to my last post.

Also, thank you and the other admins for really doing an excellent job keeping this board functioning as well as you do. It can't be easy with such a polar difference in personalities.

Baldo

[Pete]

I see this all the time, and I never get an answer. Which laws have they broken? And please be specific.

You can look it up for yourself.
I did not take you to raise or educate and will not spend my time pointing to public information so that you can ignore it again, as apparently you have when it happened.

Robert did a very good job in addressing your request (more that I will do) and you managed to deny the reality of that.

It has been my observation that the progressive liberal society and many Oboob supporters have no problem denying reality.

[Valkorado]

As far as those that have an intense dislike for Obama. I can certainly appreciate the argument about his policies.

His policies are the only reason I have an intense dislike for Obama.

Admittedly sometimes I wonder what twisted beliefs drive him to pursue these policies, but I can not know his motivations.  My disgust for the man is born out of his actions since he has been in office.  Granted I didn't vote for him either time, but I honestly hoped he might be a leader and a uniter as he claimed he would be.  He has proven to be the greatest divider I have seen take up space in the White House.  Unfortunately, I think he is happy about that reality.

[baldo]

I see this all the time, and I never get an answer. Which laws have they broken? And please be specific.

You can look it up for yourself.
I did not take you to raise or educate and will not spend my time pointing to public information so that you can ignore it again, as apparently you have when it happened.

Robert did a very good job in addressing your request (more that I will do) and you managed to deny the reality of that.

It has been my observation that the progressive liberal society and many Oboob supporters have no problem denying reality.

Your response is about what I expected. Do you have any idea how many times I've been told to "look it up"? If someone can't make a statement like that and produce the reason for making it, well, it appears to be so much hot air.

As far as Robert's request, I'll admit I didn't read his post until just now. I'll do my research and respond in kind. Because it's always a good thing to be knowledgeable of a subject before commenting on it.

[Serk]

We've moved away from the discussion of Obama (pbuh)'s executive edicts on citizen control, but for an example of a crime He should currently be in jail for, His refusal to enforce US immigration law is the same sort of thing that landed Kim Davis in jail.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/09/03/obama-clerks-gay-marriage-executive-action-column/30148215/

[Pete]

I see this all the time, and I never get an answer. Which laws have they broken? And please be specific.

You can look it up for yourself.
I did not take you to raise or educate and will not spend my time pointing to public information so that you can ignore it again, as apparently you have when it happened.

Robert did a very good job in addressing your request (more that I will do) and you managed to deny the reality of that.

It has been my observation that the progressive liberal society and many Oboob supporters have no problem denying reality.

Your response is about what I expected. Do you have any idea how many times I've been told to "look it up"? If someone can't make a statement like that and produce the reason for making it, well, it appears to be so much hot air.

As far as Robert's request, I'll admit I didn't read his post until just now. I'll do my research and respond in kind. Because it's always a good thing to be knowledgeable of a subject before commenting on it.

Actually none of it is hot air, nor conjecture, it is all fact.
Some just chose to ignore the facts or are to lazy to look them up or really just do not want to know.
As it might interfere with perception of reality.

All of those folks may do as they please, but please do not expect me to educate them.

So had I responded, you would have ignored my comments just like you did Roberts?
Believe it or not that is what I expected and is why I do not respond to request for facts that are available to all.

My part of this thread has run its course and no minds were changed nor rights trampled.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all and to all a good night.

[Serk]

Oh, and I'll admit it, I have a deep, burning personal hatred for the man. In the same way that if my sister had a boyfriend that abused her, I would not just hate his actions of hurting my sister, but I would hate the man himself for hurting someone I love and care for deeply.

[baldo]

I see this all the time, and I never get an answer. Which laws have they broken? And please be specific.

You can look it up for yourself.
I did not take you to raise or educate and will not spend my time pointing to public information so that you can ignore it again, as apparently you have when it happened.

Robert did a very good job in addressing your request (more that I will do) and you managed to deny the reality of that.

It has been my observation that the progressive liberal society and many Oboob supporters have no problem denying reality.

Your response is about what I expected. Do you have any idea how many times I've been told to "look it up"? If someone can't make a statement like that and produce the reason for making it, well, it appears to be so much hot air.

As far as Robert's request, I'll admit I didn't read his post until just now. I'll do my research and respond in kind. Because it's always a good thing to be knowledgeable of a subject before commenting on it.

Actually none of it is hot air, nor conjecture, it is all fact.
Some just chose to ignore the facts or are to lazy to look them up or really just do not want to know.
As it might interfere with perception of reality.

All of those folks may do as they please, but please do not expect me to educate them.

So had I responded, you would have ignored my comments just like you did Roberts?
Believe it or not that is what I expected and is why I do not respond to request for facts that are available to all.

My part of this thread has run its course and no minds were changed nor rights trampled.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all and to all a good night.

Your response sounds like a river in Egypt.....that's a mighty elusive fact.

[baldo]

We've moved away from the discussion of Obama (pbuh)'s executive edicts on citizen control, but for an example of a crime He should currently be in jail for, His refusal to enforce US immigration law is the same sort of thing that landed Kim Davis in jail.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/09/03/obama-clerks-gay-marriage-executive-action-column/30148215/

Wow......I don't think there are enough hours in the day to touch that one.

[Pete]

Based on information in a few news articles that may or may not be accurate.

Nothing proposed so far is going to make much difference in crimes committed.
Except maybe to create a few new crimes that were not crimes before.
Most of which will not be caught or followed thru on.

Much of it will in fact be ignored by the non FFL persons, as they have ignored ATF regulations before.

It will be interesting to see how the ATF will respond to making dealers of persons selling 5 or 10 guns per year. As this is the group that Bill Clinton put "out of business" by pressuring ATF to pull their licenses in the 1990's  (from 280,000 to less than 100,000 licenses).

Best guess is that ATF will deny the requested license and things will continue as before. Only now the non-FFL may have a defense (the ATF refused to license me).

More "just do something" to make it look like "we did something" political bull squeeze.



 

[The emperor has no clothes]

Based on information in a few news articles that may or may not be accurate.

Nothing proposed so far is going to make much difference in crimes committed.
Except maybe to create a few new crimes that were not crimes before.
Most of which will not be caught or followed thru on.

Much of it will in fact be ignored by the non FFL persons, as they have ignored ATF regulations before.

It will be interesting to see how the ATF will respond to making dealers of persons selling 5 or 10 guns per year. As this is the group that Bill Clinton put "out of business" by pressuring ATF to pull their licenses in the 1990's  (from 280,000 to less than 100,000 licenses).

Best guess is that ATF will deny the requested license and things will continue as before. Only now the non-FFL may have a defense (the ATF refused to license me).

More "just do something" to make it look like "we did something" political bull squeeze.



 

How can it be the end of Freedom and at the same time "just do something to make it look like we did something" ?

[Pete]

Based on information in a few news articles that may or may not be accurate.

Nothing proposed so far is going to make much difference in crimes committed.
Except maybe to create a few new crimes that were not crimes before.
Most of which will not be caught or followed thru on.

Much of it will in fact be ignored by the non FFL persons, as they have ignored ATF regulations before.

It will be interesting to see how the ATF will respond to making dealers of persons selling 5 or 10 guns per year. As this is the group that Bill Clinton put "out of business" by pressuring ATF to pull their licenses in the 1990's  (from 280,000 to less than 100,000 licenses).

Best guess is that ATF will deny the requested license and things will continue as before. Only now the non-FFL may have a defense (the ATF refused to license me).

More "just do something" to make it look like "we did something" political bull squeeze.



 

How can it be the end of Freedom and at the same time "just do something to make it look like we did something" ?

Sorry that you missed the point, and I do not intend to try to explain it to you

[The emperor has no clothes]

Based on information in a few news articles that may or may not be accurate.

Nothing proposed so far is going to make much difference in crimes committed.
Except maybe to create a few new crimes that were not crimes before.
Most of which will not be caught or followed thru on.

Much of it will in fact be ignored by the non FFL persons, as they have ignored ATF regulations before.

It will be interesting to see how the ATF will respond to making dealers of persons selling 5 or 10 guns per year. As this is the group that Bill Clinton put "out of business" by pressuring ATF to pull their licenses in the 1990's  (from 280,000 to less than 100,000 licenses).

Best guess is that ATF will deny the requested license and things will continue as before. Only now the non-FFL may have a defense (the ATF refused to license me).

More "just do something" to make it look like "we did something" political bull squeeze.



 

How can it be the end of Freedom and at the same time "just do something to make it look like we did something" ?

Sorry that you missed the point, and I do not intend to try to explain it to you

Now I get it.  You wish to post opinions without explanation .

[Pete]

Based on information in a few news articles that may or may not be accurate.

Nothing proposed so far is going to make much difference in crimes committed.
Except maybe to create a few new crimes that were not crimes before.
Most of which will not be caught or followed thru on.

Much of it will in fact be ignored by the non FFL persons, as they have ignored ATF regulations before.

It will be interesting to see how the ATF will respond to making dealers of persons selling 5 or 10 guns per year. As this is the group that Bill Clinton put "out of business" by pressuring ATF to pull their licenses in the 1990's  (from 280,000 to less than 100,000 licenses).

Best guess is that ATF will deny the requested license and things will continue as before. Only now the non-FFL may have a defense (the ATF refused to license me).

More "just do something" to make it look like "we did something" political bull squeeze.



 

How can it be the end of Freedom and at the same time "just do something to make it look like we did something" ?

Sorry that you missed the point, and I do not intend to try to explain it to you

Now I get it.  You wish to post opinions without explanation .

Yeah, sure and you can do it too!!!

[Roadog]

            Your thin skinned meathead. Just an observation of mine.   
           Baldo,..you are the last person on this board that should be  complaining  about not getting an answer to a question . And you do know what I am talking about, so do the others on here.

Roadog

[baldo]

And then the fight started....

When I got home last night, my wife demanded that I take her somewhere expensive.... So, I took her to a gas station.....
And then the fight started.

******
My wife and I are watching Who Wants To Be A Millionaire while we were in bed. I turned to her and said,"Do you want to have sex?
"No," she answered. I then said, "Is that your final answer?"
She didn't even look at me this time, simply saying
"Yes."
So I said, "Then I'd like to phone a friend."
And then the fight started.

*****
After retiring, I went to the Social Security office to apply for Social Security.
The woman behind the counter asked me for my driver's license to verify my age.
I looked in my pockets and realized I had left my wallet at home.
I told the woman that I was very sorry, but I would have to go home and come back later.
The woman said, 'Unbutton your shirt'.
So I opened my shirt revealing my curly silver hair.
She said, 'That silver hair on your chest is proof enough for me'
And she processed my Social Security application.
When I got home, I excitedly told my wife about my
experience at the Social Security office.
She said, 'You should have dropped your pants. You might have gotten Disability, too'
And then the fight started.

******
Saturday morning I got up early, quietly dressed, made my lunch, grabbed the dog, and slipped quietly into the garage .
I hooked up the boat up to the truck, and proceeded to back out into a torrential downpour.
The wind was blowing 50 mph, so I pulled back into the garage, turned on the radio, and discovered that the weather
would be bad all day. I went back into the house, quietly undressed, and slipped back into bed.
I cuddled up to my wife's back, now with a different anticipation, and whispered, 'The weather out there is terrible.'
My loving wife of 30 years replied, 'Can you believe my stupid-ass husband went out fishing in it?'
And that's how the fight started.

******
My wife and I were sitting at a table at my high school reunion, and I kept staring at a drunken lady swigging her drink as she sat alone at a nearby table.
My wife asked, 'Do you know her?'
'Yes,' I sighed, 'she's my old girlfriend. I understand she took to drinking right after we split up those many & years ago, and I hear she hasn't been sober since.'
'My God!' says my wife, 'Who would think a person could go on celebrating that long?'
And then the fight started.

******
I rear-ended a car this morning.
So, there we were alongside the road and slowly the other driver got out of his car.
You know how sometimes you just get soooo stressed and little things just seem funny?
Yeah, well I couldn't believe it.... He was a DWARF!!!
He stormed over to my car, looked up at me, and shouted,
'I AM NOT HAPPY! !!'
So, I looked down at him and said, 'Well then, just which dwarf are you?'
And then the fight started.

******
I took my wife to a restaurant. The waiter, for some reason, took my order first. 'I'll have the strip steak,
medium rare, please.'
He said, 'Aren't you worried about the mad cow?'
'Nah, she can order for herself.'
And then the fight started.

******
A woman is standing nude, looking in the bedroom mirror.
She is not happy with what she sees and says to her husband, 'I feel horrible; I look old, fat and ugly. I really
need you to pay me a compliment.'
The husband replies, 'Your eyesight's darn near perfect.!!'
And then the fight started.
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[baldo]

            Your thin skinned meathead. Just an observation of mine.   
           Baldo,..you are the last person on this board that should be  complaining  about not getting an answer to a question . And you do know what I am talking about, so do the others on here.

Roadog

I've worn out 2 keyboards trying to respond. I'm tired of so many keystrokes.

[The emperor has no clothes]

            Your thin skinned meathead. Just an observation of mine.   
           Baldo,..you are the last person on this board that should be  complaining  about not getting an answer to a question . And you do know what I am talking about, so do the others on here.

Roadog

Your observational powers need a little tune up. Fortunately my skin is very thick. I've cut thru it, road rashed it off, sawed it many times just to check on its thickness. 

[Bighead]

This thread needs to die. Simple fact is that some here ( most ) will never agree with anything O does and some ( few ) that agree with everything he says or does. Let it die already.

[Pappy!]

Meathead....in reply to your post #40, you probably are going to have to put up with it forever as the current resident of the White House will probably go down as the worst or at least the most hated president in history. I have no doubt he has surpassed Jimmy in the quest. 

[The emperor has no clothes]

Meathead....in reply to your post #40, you probably are going to have to put up with it forever as the current resident of the White House will probably go down as the worst or at least the most hated president in history. I have no doubt he has surpassed Jimmy in the quest. 

Pappy, I've been living with it for 7 years now. I'm getting used to it.  I can understand people not agreeing with his policies. For the life of me I can't understand the complete hatred some have for him. I can also not understand how anybody can HATE Jimmy Carter  I am not very religious person, but the man optimizes what a good Christian should aspire to. At least as I understand Christianity.

[baldo]

Meathead....in reply to your post #40, you probably are going to have to put up with it forever as the current resident of the White House will probably go down as the worst or at least the most hated president in history. I have no doubt he has surpassed Jimmy in the quest. 

Pappy, I've been living with it for 7 years now. I'm getting used to it.  I can understand people not agreeing with his policies. For the life of me I can't understand the complete hatred some have for him. I can also not understand how anybody can HATE Jimmy Carter  I am not very religious person, but the man optimizes what a good Christian should aspire to. At least as I understand Christianity.

I agree, meathead. How anyone can despise Carter is absolutely beyond comprehension. The man has been nothing but righteously living his faith, doing good wherever he goes, for years, decades! He's 90+ years old, battling cancer, and is still out building houses. Saying all this, I suppose he could be painting watercolors.