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« Reply #80 on: January 06, 2016, 10:57:30 AM » |
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all this from liberals, who did nothing but make fun of Boehner crying.
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« Reply #81 on: January 06, 2016, 11:03:32 AM » |
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It was a video I tell you.
Berghdahl is a brave hero !
How many more examples do you need?
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« Reply #83 on: January 06, 2016, 11:13:08 AM » |
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« Reply #84 on: January 06, 2016, 03:15:39 PM » |
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It was a video I tell you.
Berghdahl is a brave hero !
How many more examples do you need?
Nice try on the diversion... Divert, distract and distort....... What diversion? I responded to a question, specifically: As to Obama's tears, why is it so hard to believe that someone would tear up when thinking about the slaughtering of little kids ? I think it would be hard not to shed a tear. But 90% of my friends on the right think he was faking it.
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« Reply #85 on: January 06, 2016, 03:41:35 PM » |
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« Reply #86 on: January 06, 2016, 03:42:43 PM » |
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« Reply #87 on: January 06, 2016, 03:49:51 PM » |
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Yes, he could have went before the media and driven the narrative and put the GOP on the spot to offer their legislative versions of solutions (they do have some by the way) and actually worked with them to achieve something real, sustainable and Constitutional. It's called Leadership and Barry ain't got none. It would take a little work, it would mean spending political capital, but would be a far greater legacy than a Constitutional end run. The thing is that everyone wants the real, sustainable, Constitutional approach to gun violence. New laws to inhibit the law abiding won't do it. Executive orders infringing on enumerated Constitutional rights is a no-go as well. Near zero tolerance laws against those who commit crimes with guns with steep sentencing guidelines and mandatory sentencing is the way to go. Gun crime is not only a State crime but Federal crime too. Serve the State sentence then the Federal sentence. SEVERELY PUNISH THE CRIMINALS not the law abiding. What do you think he did after Sandy Hook, Colorado, Minneapolis and the countless others? Continued to propose new laws that would not pass Constitutional muster and have absolutely no effect on the kind of criminal violence that had occurred but would affect the law abiding non criminal folks. He implored Congress to find solutions to the problems, but was fought at every turn. He has had absolutely zero cooperation, which leads us to today. These executive orders will not magically fix the problem, but give the man credit for trying to do something. What ideas do you have? Ok I can do that : He gets credit for proposing nothing of real value. He gets credit for lacking the intelligence to propose something that would make a real difference. He gets credit for proposing something that will affect the lawful but poses no problem for the criminal. He gets credit for missing the point. But then that is typical. Gee what a deal -- I can barely contain my excitement. |
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« Reply #88 on: January 06, 2016, 03:58:46 PM » |
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Meathead, again you beat me to it....... And your glass color is???? Doesn't matter what color they are, or how thick they are for "There is none so blind as he who will not see" |
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« Reply #89 on: January 06, 2016, 07:39:39 PM » |
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« Reply #90 on: January 06, 2016, 07:56:11 PM » |
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Man-o-man. This is going to be interesting to see what is said about Obama's tears.
He should get equal to what Boehner got over his tears, no? My 2 cents...... Why no tears, not even any words, nothing, regarding the innocent child deaths in his "hometown" of Chicago? Why nothing about gun control after the assassination of a 9-year-old boy to send his gang banging father a message?? Those killings outnumber the ones he keeps mentioning by 100:1. And nothing within his orders will do anything about it. I guess that's why his tears are selective. Come on G-Man. He is the ex-community organizer from Chicago not an actor from Hollywood.  I don't follow. |
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« Reply #91 on: January 06, 2016, 08:05:45 PM » |
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He could have went to the GOP leadership and demanded they offer real solutions and actually join with them in pursuing real solutions and work them as well as his own party's members through the Constitutional prescribed means.
He didn't do that for the first 7 years of his presidency on any issue, why should he start now? He's not a leader. He's unable to as you've stated. Only a true leader can bring people together for a common cause. So either he sucks as a leader, or the cause sucks. I believe the former because he doesn't even believe in the cause. |
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« Reply #92 on: January 06, 2016, 08:19:26 PM » |
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« Reply #93 on: January 06, 2016, 09:14:20 PM » |
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Somehow feelings and emotions have come to be more important than actual facts. And this is a prime example of that. Facts are meaningless in the face of a crying president demanding SOMETHING be done, ANYTHING, even if it won't do any good at all, SOMETHING must be done.
Just finished reading all the posts in this thread and came back to the end of this one (see above) which pretty much sums almost all of the political arguments of our time. Within this thread, we are ALL in agreement that the president's executive orders would have done nothing to prevent these mass shootings yet there is still argument.  Both agree something needs to be done, but neither can come up with away to get out in front of the one off would-be killer who has legally come to possess a gun. One side has accepted the fact that in a free society, awful things are going to happen. The other side can't accept this premise and, not allowing a crisis to go to waste, will be "demanding SOMETHING be done, ANYTHING, even if it won't do any good at all, SOMETHING must be done." I remember one shooting, where again, something needed to be done. When one side realized that there was really nothing that could have been done, they blamed it on a flag. And here's something that struck me as I was reading which was most profound. The mass shootings make up like 2% of the total gun deaths and suicides make up half. The rest are happening every week in Chicago, NY, LA, Miami, etc. Many are kids too. (A lot more than 26, every year) These are the preventable deaths but they don't make the headlines. We're arguing over the 2% we can't control while we let the 45% that the president has no tears for, which we can control, go unchecked. Why is that? And since this occurs with high rates in the poor and minority communities, why isn't the side who hail themselves as the great defenders of these fine folks upset about it? There's some pretty silly stuff in this thread as well. For example that place that allows you to carry but not at public events/gatherings. Isn't this where most of the mass shootings take place? Where there are a lot of people? |
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« Reply #94 on: January 06, 2016, 09:35:03 PM » |
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The mass shootings make up like 2% of the total gun deaths and suicides make up half. The rest are happening every week in Chicago, NY, LA, Miami, etc. Many are kids too. (A lot more than 26, every year) These are the preventable deaths but they don't make the headlines. We're arguing over the 2% we can't control while we let the 45% that the president has no tears for, which we can control, go unchecked. Why is that? And since this occurs with high rates in the poor and minority communities, why isn't the side who hail themselves as the great defenders of these fine folks upset about it? That is a pretty profound analysis... that I have never heard before. And pretty compelling.
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« Reply #95 on: January 07, 2016, 04:05:10 AM » |
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Man-o-man. This is going to be interesting to see what is said about Obama's tears.
He should get equal to what Boehner got over his tears, no? My 2 cents...... Why no tears, not even any words, nothing, regarding the innocent child deaths in his "hometown" of Chicago? Why nothing about gun control after the assassination of a 9-year-old boy to send his gang banging father a message?? Those killings outnumber the ones he keeps mentioning by 100:1. And nothing within his orders will do anything about it. I guess that's why his tears are selective. Come on G-Man. He is the ex-community organizer from Chicago not an actor from Hollywood. I don't follow. I was being a smart ass and comparing him to Reagan. |
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« Reply #96 on: January 07, 2016, 04:08:39 AM » |
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He could have went to the GOP leadership and demanded they offer real solutions and actually join with them in pursuing real solutions and work them as well as his own party's members through the Constitutional prescribed means.
He didn't do that for the first 7 years of his presidency on any issue, why should he start now? He's not a leader. He's unable to as you've stated. Only a true leader can bring people together for a common cause. So either he sucks as a leader, or the cause sucks. I believe the former because he doesn't even believe in the cause. Wow, you are remarkably uninformed..... |
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« Reply #97 on: January 07, 2016, 04:14:20 AM » |
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He could have went to the GOP leadership and demanded they offer real solutions and actually join with them in pursuing real solutions and work them as well as his own party's members through the Constitutional prescribed means.
He didn't do that for the first 7 years of his presidency on any issue, why should he start now? He's not a leader. He's unable to as you've stated. Only a true leader can bring people together for a common cause. So either he sucks as a leader, or the cause sucks. I believe the former because he doesn't even believe in the cause. Wow, you are remarkably uninformed..... Naw, I think they call that revisionist history. |
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« Reply #98 on: January 07, 2016, 05:11:29 AM » |
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A true progressive liberal supporter of the administration, must be able to deny reality otherwise none of there arguments or suggestions or "facts" make any sense.
It is not possible to have an intelligent discussion when one side is in deny reality mode.
This thread is a reasonable example of that process.
Granted it is important that the truth be known, it is not important to respond to those that can deny reality as their minds are made up and you should not confuse them with real facts or attempted honest dialogue.
You cannot change a mind that cannot acknowledge reality.
So you folks have fun, I plan to move on and ignore reality "deny-ers" as they are a waste of my time.
Se you all on another thread.
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« Reply #99 on: January 07, 2016, 06:18:40 AM » |
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You cannot change a mind that cannot acknowledge reality.
So you folks have fun, I plan to move on and ignore reality "deny-ers" as they are a waste of my time.
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« Reply #100 on: January 07, 2016, 06:20:40 AM » |
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He could have went to the GOP leadership and demanded they offer real solutions and actually join with them in pursuing real solutions and work them as well as his own party's members through the Constitutional prescribed means.
He didn't do that for the first 7 years of his presidency on any issue, why should he start now? He's not a leader. He's unable to as you've stated. Only a true leader can bring people together for a common cause. So either he sucks as a leader, or the cause sucks. I believe the former because he doesn't even believe in the cause. Wow, you are remarkably uninformed..... Naw, I think they call that revisionist history. Agreed. I don't know why I bother. It's funny though. I could have written that last post, and it would apply directly to the majority of posters on this thread. Not a laugh kind of funny, though. |
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« Reply #101 on: January 07, 2016, 06:38:40 AM » |
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That was pretty clever... A show of hands.....how many of you folks have had your guns taken away? What??? NONE??? I can't believe it. All this noise, and NO ONE has had any guns taken away.? It can't be! And you can thank the scumbag insurance companies with shitty plans for forcing people to 'lose' their health care. But why let the facts interfere with some good BS, right? I'm not going to bother with the rest. Like another poster said recently, why bother. Damn, my keyboard's acting up again. |
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« Reply #102 on: January 07, 2016, 06:39:38 AM » |
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Was thinking the same thing. It's kind of sad how as a society we have drifted so far apart. It has got me thinking about a commercial book venture. In the vane of the book "Men are from Mars and women are from Venus" I'm going to write a book called "Liberals are from Neptune and Conservatives are from Uranus"  |
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« Reply #103 on: January 07, 2016, 06:43:39 AM » |
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Was thinking the same thing. It's kind of sad how as a society we have drifted so far apart. It has got me thinking about a commercial book venture. In the vane of the book "Men are from Mars and women are from Venus" I'm going to write a book called "Liberals are from Neptune and Conservatives are from Uranus" LOL....ouch....  |
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« Reply #104 on: January 07, 2016, 06:51:04 AM » |
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« Reply #105 on: January 07, 2016, 06:57:58 AM » |
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Before anybody gets in an uproar. It was a joke. I'm sure everyone took it as such...... |
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« Reply #106 on: January 07, 2016, 06:59:26 AM » |
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That was pretty clever... A show of hands.....how many of you folks have had your guns taken away? What??? NONE??? I can't believe it. All this noise, and NO ONE has had any guns taken away.? It can't be! And you can thank the scumbag insurance companies with shitty plans for forcing people to 'lose' their health care. But why let the facts interfere with some good BS, right? I'm not going to bother with the rest. Like another poster said recently, why bother. Damn, my keyboard's acting up again. are you on obama care? personally i think it sucks. the government is pretty much forcing ones without insurance to buy it and if they dont they have to pay a fine at the end of the year on their taxes. How is that right? i cant force you to buy something i produce if you dont want it. So can i fine you at the end of the year for not buying it? |
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« Reply #107 on: January 07, 2016, 07:19:01 AM » |
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Was thinking the same thing. It's kind of sad how as a society we have drifted so far apart. It has got me thinking about a commercial book venture. In the vane of the book "Men are from Mars and women are from Venus" I'm going to write a book called "Liberals are from Neptune and Conservatives are from Uranus" It is kinda sad. But the issues are fundamental to our society, and patriots aren't about to budge on this one. Many conservatives truly believe our very Constitutional rights are being flushed down the toilet by progressive liberals and, no, you will never be able to convince us otherwise. Reminds me of the old Merle song, Walkin' On The Fightin' Side. If you're runnin' down my country, man, You're walkin' on the fightin' side of me. |
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Was thinking the same thing. It's kind of sad how as a society we have drifted so far apart. It has got me thinking about a commercial book venture. In the vane of the book "Men are from Mars and women are from Venus" I'm going to write a book called "Liberals are from Neptune and Conservatives are from Uranus" It is kinda sad. But the issues are fundamental to our society, and patriots aren't about to budge on this one. Many conservatives truly believe our very Constitutional rights are being flushed down the toilet by progressive liberals and, no, you will never be able to convince us otherwise. Reminds me of the old Merle song, Walkin' On The Fightin' Side. If you're runnin' down my country, man, You're walkin' on the fightin' side of me. That kind of sums it up, at least for me. Many on the other side view myself and others as unpatriotic and running down OUR country. I served OUR country and love this country as much or more than anyone. But if a person is labeled a liberal to many they hate OUR country. (I hope you took notice that I don't call it MY country) |
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« Reply #109 on: January 07, 2016, 08:00:54 AM » |
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Point taken, and thank you very much for your service. I honor and respect that. I was quoting lyrics.
Still, there are some military generals and advisors who have been fired by Obama because of their beliefs, and replaced by others who fell in line with his own ideals. I'm not saying he's the first or will be the last to do this. I'm just saying, it works both ways.
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« Reply #110 on: January 07, 2016, 08:23:05 AM » |
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He could have went to the GOP leadership and demanded they offer real solutions and actually join with them in pursuing real solutions and work them as well as his own party's members through the Constitutional prescribed means.
He didn't do that for the first 7 years of his presidency on any issue, why should he start now? He's not a leader. He's unable to as you've stated. Only a true leader can bring people together for a common cause. So either he sucks as a leader, or the cause sucks. I believe the former because he doesn't even believe in the cause. Wow, you are remarkably uninformed..... Naw, I think they call that revisionist history. Agreed. I don't know why I bother. It's funny though. I could have written that last post, and it would apply directly to the majority of posters on this thread. Not a laugh kind of funny, though. I must have missed it. I'm sorry, but on which issue or major legislation did we have a bipartisan vote? When did he bring both sides together to get something accomplished? Yes, the other side is obstructing him, but when did he overcome that in order to get agreement from both sides? The opposition is doing exactly what they're supposed to be doing. I heard so much crap during the Bush admin. and have read a lot of political history to understand this. The true leaders can overcome this. He can't and instead whines about the republicans during speeches and even during the state of the union address. Which other president and administration can you recall saying things like "Republicans are holding you hostage" or "Republicans are terrorists"? Can't recall Clinton once "I'm trying but the Republicans are acting like terrorists". He's had to resort to lies (like the lie of the year) to accomplish things. I stand by my statement that he is not a leader. |
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A show of hands.....how many of you folks have had your guns taken away? What??? NONE??? I can't believe it. All this noise, and NO ONE has had any guns taken away.? It can't be!
The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. That's why we're so opposed to incrementalism even, because confiscation is the ultimate goal of many on "your side". No, not all, but you can't deny that it is the goal of many. That'd be like asking how many blacks that were kept from voting under Jim Crow were being made into slaves and cheering when the answer was zero. An injustice is an injustice, it doesn't matter if it's a full bite or just a little nibble.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffI-tWh37UY |
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A true progressive liberal supporter of the administration, must be able to deny reality otherwise none of there arguments or suggestions or "facts" make any sense.
It is not possible to have an intelligent discussion when one side is in deny reality mode.
This thread is a reasonable example of that process.
Granted it is important that the truth be known, it is not important to respond to those that can deny reality as their minds are made up and you should not confuse them with real facts or attempted honest dialogue.
You cannot change a mind that cannot acknowledge reality.
So you folks have fun, I plan to move on and ignore reality "deny-ers" as they are a waste of my time.
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« Reply #113 on: January 07, 2016, 11:16:30 AM » |
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He could have went to the GOP leadership and demanded they offer real solutions and actually join with them in pursuing real solutions and work them as well as his own party's members through the Constitutional prescribed means.
He didn't do that for the first 7 years of his presidency on any issue, why should he start now? He's not a leader. He's unable to as you've stated. Only a true leader can bring people together for a common cause. So either he sucks as a leader, or the cause sucks. I believe the former because he doesn't even believe in the cause. Wow, you are remarkably uninformed..... Naw, I think they call that revisionist history. Agreed. I don't know why I bother. It's funny though. I could have written that last post, and it would apply directly to the majority of posters on this thread. Not a laugh kind of funny, though. I must have missed it. I'm sorry, but on which issue or major legislation did we have a bipartisan vote? When did he bring both sides together to get something accomplished? Yes, the other side is obstructing him, be when did he overcome that in order to get agreement from both sides? The opposition is doing exactly what they're supposed to be doing. I heard so much crap during the Bush admin. and have read a lot of political history to understand this. The true leaders can this. He can't and instead whines about the republicans during speeches and even during the state of the union address. Which other president and administration can you recall saying things like "Republicans are holding you hostage" or "Republicans are terrorists"? Can't recall Clinton once "I'm trying but the Republicans are acting like terrorists". He's had to resort to lies (like the lie of the year) to accomplish things. I stand by my statement that he is not a leader. Perfect example, this was from the very beginning. In fact, I don't think Obama had even been inaugurated yet when this waste of skin declared that nothing would get through Congress. So, in light of that fact, what should Obama have done? How should he have handled them? He could have dropped the ACA, he could have de-funded Planned Parenthood, he could have abolished the EPA, the CPFB and countless other agencies that the Republicans have problems with. And even THAT wouldn't have been enough. There are many more, and I'll be happy to share them with you. Unfortunately, I feel it would be a waste of keystrokes. Anyone that can deny these facts is truly delusional. |
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Facts,
The last 2 years of W the democrats OWNED Congress
The first 4 years of o's presidency the democrats OWNED Congress
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He could have went to the GOP leadership and demanded they offer real solutions and actually join with them in pursuing real solutions and work them as well as his own party's members through the Constitutional prescribed means.
He didn't do that for the first 7 years of his presidency on any issue, why should he start now? He's not a leader. He's unable to as you've stated. Only a true leader can bring people together for a common cause. So either he sucks as a leader, or the cause sucks. I believe the former because he doesn't even believe in the cause. Wow, you are remarkably uninformed..... Naw, I think they call that revisionist history. Agreed. I don't know why I bother. It's funny though. I could have written that last post, and it would apply directly to the majority of posters on this thread. Not a laugh kind of funny, though. I must have missed it. I'm sorry, but on which issue or major legislation did we have a bipartisan vote? When did he bring both sides together to get something accomplished? Yes, the other side is obstructing him, be when did he overcome that in order to get agreement from both sides? The opposition is doing exactly what they're supposed to be doing. I heard so much crap during the Bush admin. and have read a lot of political history to understand this. The true leaders can this. He can't and instead whines about the republicans during speeches and even during the state of the union address. Which other president and administration can you recall saying things like "Republicans are holding you hostage" or "Republicans are terrorists"? Can't recall Clinton once "I'm trying but the Republicans are acting like terrorists". He's had to resort to lies (like the lie of the year) to accomplish things. I stand by my statement that he is not a leader. Perfect example, this was from the very beginning. In fact, I don't think Obama had even been inaugurated yet when this waste of skin declared that nothing would get through Congress. So, in light of that fact, what should Obama have done? How should he have handled them? He could have dropped the ACA, he could have de-funded Planned Parenthood, he could have abolished the EPA, the CPFB and countless other agencies that the Republicans have problems with. And even THAT wouldn't have been enough. There are many more, and I'll be happy to share them with you. Unfortunately, I feel it would be a waste of keystrokes. Anyone that can deny these facts is truly delusional. Your child like assumptions have as much weight as a stale fart. |
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He could have went to the GOP leadership and demanded they offer real solutions and actually join with them in pursuing real solutions and work them as well as his own party's members through the Constitutional prescribed means.
He didn't do that for the first 7 years of his presidency on any issue, why should he start now? He's not a leader. He's unable to as you've stated. Only a true leader can bring people together for a common cause. So either he sucks as a leader, or the cause sucks. I believe the former because he doesn't even believe in the cause. Wow, you are remarkably uninformed..... Naw, I think they call that revisionist history. Agreed. I don't know why I bother. It's funny though. I could have written that last post, and it would apply directly to the majority of posters on this thread. Not a laugh kind of funny, though. I must have missed it. I'm sorry, but on which issue or major legislation did we have a bipartisan vote? When did he bring both sides together to get something accomplished? Yes, the other side is obstructing him, be when did he overcome that in order to get agreement from both sides? The opposition is doing exactly what they're supposed to be doing. I heard so much crap during the Bush admin. and have read a lot of political history to understand this. The true leaders can this. He can't and instead whines about the republicans during speeches and even during the state of the union address. Which other president and administration can you recall saying things like "Republicans are holding you hostage" or "Republicans are terrorists"? Can't recall Clinton once "I'm trying but the Republicans are acting like terrorists". He's had to resort to lies (like the lie of the year) to accomplish things. I stand by my statement that he is not a leader. Perfect example, this was from the very beginning. In fact, I don't think Obama had even been inaugurated yet when this waste of skin declared that nothing would get through Congress. So, in light of that fact, what should Obama have done? How should he have handled them? He could have dropped the ACA, he could have de-funded Planned Parenthood, he could have abolished the EPA, the CPFB and countless other agencies that the Republicans have problems with. And even THAT wouldn't have been enough. There are many more, and I'll be happy to share them with you. Unfortunately, I feel it would be a waste of keystrokes. Anyone that can deny these facts is truly delusional. Yup, he coulda' done this or he coulda' done that but he didn't do anything. One guy on the the other side makes a comment and that sets the tone for the next 8 years. Like I said, a leader would be able to overcome a stupid statement, but he didn't. And what true leader ever uses the phrase Lead From Behind, and then mess it all up? And keep calling me names, or classifying me as one form of a mental disability or another, it's so very liberal of you. |
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« Reply #117 on: January 07, 2016, 01:56:51 PM » |
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He could have went to the GOP leadership and demanded they offer real solutions and actually join with them in pursuing real solutions and work them as well as his own party's members through the Constitutional prescribed means.
He didn't do that for the first 7 years of his presidency on any issue, why should he start now? He's not a leader. He's unable to as you've stated. Only a true leader can bring people together for a common cause. So either he sucks as a leader, or the cause sucks. I believe the former because he doesn't even believe in the cause. Wow, you are remarkably uninformed..... Naw, I think they call that revisionist history. Agreed. I don't know why I bother. It's funny though. I could have written that last post, and it would apply directly to the majority of posters on this thread. Not a laugh kind of funny, though. I must have missed it. I'm sorry, but on which issue or major legislation did we have a bipartisan vote? When did he bring both sides together to get something accomplished? Yes, the other side is obstructing him, be when did he overcome that in order to get agreement from both sides? The opposition is doing exactly what they're supposed to be doing. I heard so much crap during the Bush admin. and have read a lot of political history to understand this. The true leaders can this. He can't and instead whines about the republicans during speeches and even during the state of the union address. Which other president and administration can you recall saying things like "Republicans are holding you hostage" or "Republicans are terrorists"? Can't recall Clinton once "I'm trying but the Republicans are acting like terrorists". He's had to resort to lies (like the lie of the year) to accomplish things. I stand by my statement that he is not a leader. Perfect example, this was from the very beginning. In fact, I don't think Obama had even been inaugurated yet when this waste of skin declared that nothing would get through Congress. So, in light of that fact, what should Obama have done? How should he have handled them? He could have dropped the ACA, he could have de-funded Planned Parenthood, he could have abolished the EPA, the CPFB and countless other agencies that the Republicans have problems with. And even THAT wouldn't have been enough. There are many more, and I'll be happy to share them with you. Unfortunately, I feel it would be a waste of keystrokes. Anyone that can deny these facts is truly delusional. Yup, he coulda' done this or he coulda' done that but he didn't do anything. One guy on the the other side makes a comment and that sets the tone for the next 8 years. Like I said, a leader would be able to overcome a stupid statement, but he didn't. And what true leader ever uses the phrase Lead From Behind, and then mess it all up? And keep calling me names, or classifying me as one form of a mental disability or another, it's so very liberal of you. I'm sorry, I had absolutely no idea you were so sensitive. I'll put on my kid gloves next time I start typing. You guys really are unbelievable. |
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« Reply #118 on: January 07, 2016, 02:00:27 PM » |
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Hey, we agree on something, we think you're unbelievable also, literally. |
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« Reply #119 on: January 07, 2016, 02:49:45 PM » |
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Before anybody gets in an uproar. It was a joke. Actually, I thought this was a pretty good joke and recognized it as such right off the bat. That's the difference, I think between Libs and Conservatives, we do recognize a joke when we see it, i.e. Obummer. Was it the Republicans that prevented Barry and the Dems from passing a budget for the first how many years? Please refresh my memory. |
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