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Maybe I am over thinking , but here goes.
Two Navy boats , GPS locate ,radio , computers and personal caught in Iran water. How could both boats fail and no contact for help. One should pull the other. I , personally think something stinks here.
I am ex army. You go out and if problems occur , you help each other. Is there no other way to power the boats. It does not seem logical. I am sensing some political B S here. What is the under laying motive to send that type of boat on a mission that it is not designed for. The return was way to easy.
You do not just release prisoners , take the sim cards out of the phones , and have them apologize for playing in their back yard. W H A T G I V E S????????????????????
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« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2016, 07:07:15 AM » |
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An attempt by the Obama admin to try and make Iran look like they are our friends. He has his legacy riding on making them allies through the Nuke Deal. All politics, Kerry notified Iran of the boats and requested their help. Doubt that the boats were broke at all.
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« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2016, 07:10:32 AM » |
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I thought one boat broke and the other was attempting to tow?
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« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2016, 07:44:02 AM » |
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Ross, I was telling my wife the same thing, but we'll probably never know the REAL facts. Do you remember some years back when Iran's computer system went totally haywire and set them back quite a bit in their nuclear program? Seems just prior to that, Iran had ordered and received some printers that originated from the U.S. Our spy techs, don't know who did it exactly, but they inserted a virus in the printer software somehow, which in turn infected the entire Iranian computer system dealing with their nuke program. If these sailors had their cell phones taken away from them and the SIM card removed to see what was in it.....hmmmm!!!!
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« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2016, 07:49:41 AM » |
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I thought one boat broke and the other was attempting to tow?
I read something similar . That one had problems and the other was trying to help and they drifted into Iranian waters. I think it would be pretty hard to keep 10 sailors quiet if something untoward had happened. If Obama had them do this as is suggested do we really think all 10 of them are loyal to Obama ? |
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« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2016, 07:50:56 AM » |
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Ross, I was telling my wife the same thing, but we'll probably never know the REAL facts. Do you remember some years back when Iran's computer system went totally haywire and set them back quite a bit in their nuclear program? Seems just prior to that, Iran had ordered and received some printers that originated from the U.S. Our spy techs, don't know who did it exactly, but they inserted a virus in the printer software somehow, which in turn infected the entire Iranian computer system dealing with their nuke program. If these sailors had their cell phones taken away from them and the SIM card removed to see what was in it.....hmmmm!!!!
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« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2016, 08:19:40 AM » |
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Yea....we may never get the whole or accurate story. I find it disturbing that it happened to begin with, the fact they had sat phones and those had the SIM cards taken....and even more so that it wasn't addressed even briefly at the SOTU address.
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« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2016, 08:39:11 AM » |
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Wow Da Prez. I see this just does not pass the smell test for you and others also. Initially they had a boat develop problems. Then the story went out they got lost and strayed off course. Then two other explanations came out. Each time I am scratching my head. I look at these boats, not sure what kind they are but they look fast, very fast and stealthy and there is a whole lot of fire power on each boat. I see the Iranians surrounding them and think what the heck gives. These boats could easily get away from whatever Iran has unless Iran comes from the air and in that case we dial up a squadron of F 18 Tomcats and the Iranians get the heck out of Dodge.
What am I seeing that is wrong.
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« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2016, 08:54:37 AM » |
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I read an article that quoted authorities(?) as saying neither boat broke down or ran out of gas, and it was purely a navigation problem. And they did not radio for help or assistance. And the boats were being used for transferring men and stuff between ships.
Authorities often fib, so who knows what the truth is.
Even if one of the sailors could tell a different story, he could not likely tell it until he gets back from his deployment. (Except maybe an email or letter to his wife)
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« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2016, 09:16:27 AM » |
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If Obama had them do this as is suggested do we really think all 10 of them are loyal to Obama ?
What makes you think it would take more than one? I spent a lot of time in the military, can't tell you how many times I either had access to information or didn't based on my "need to know" the mission. IOWs, it only takes one. |
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« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2016, 10:04:15 AM » |
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Back a lifetime ago when I was a Sailor we knew mission parameters and the R O E before we launched as it was part of the briefing. We also covered til the surface unit was safe. We dropped a couple birds while we were on Yankee Station and were hard pressed to follow orders to terminate the search even when ordered to R T B. The reason we hated to quit was because it could have been us-the 4 man crew I flew with that was being searched for. Whenever we had a S A R for a missing bird it was ALWAYS 150% balls out no hold barred search. We lost a chopper from H S-4 that we never found. Even after a day and a half after fuel exhaustion on the choppers part we were hard pressed to stop searching. Course here we have the traitor kerry and our fearless leader! Something here NOT passing the smell test. But as most of us Ex Military are aware of this administration has R I Fed all the WARRIORS. RIDE SAFE.
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« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2016, 10:17:18 AM » |
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If Obama had them do this as is suggested do we really think all 10 of them are loyal to Obama ?
What makes you think it would take more than one? I spent a lot of time in the military, can't tell you how many times I either had access to information or didn't based on my "need to know" the mission. IOWs, it only takes one. You might be correct. I only know what I've already said about the incident. It could be a conspiracy at the highest levels. But what makes you think even one would be loyal to Obama ? |
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« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2016, 12:43:33 PM » |
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If Obama had them do this as is suggested do we really think all 10 of them are loyal to Obama ?
What makes you think it would take more than one? I spent a lot of time in the military, can't tell you how many times I either had access to information or didn't based on my "need to know" the mission. IOWs, it only takes one. You might be correct. I only know what I've already said about the incident. It could be a conspiracy at the highest levels. But what makes you think even one would be loyal to Obama ? The military is full of compliant Officers, Obama gets rid of the ones that are not. Careers and promotions hinge on being compliant, and being in lock step with the powers that be. |
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« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2016, 01:00:08 PM » |
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GPS can be spoofed to redirect the boats.
SEAL teams can be deployed under the boats while the boats distract the Iranian NAVY. Maybe to tag the Iranian boats with special transponders for tracking them.
Lots of maybe's here. The US NAVY has a proven history of secret missions.
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« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2016, 01:55:31 PM » |
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« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2016, 02:27:14 PM » |
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If Obama had them do this as is suggested do we really think all 10 of them are loyal to Obama ?
What makes you think it would take more than one? I spent a lot of time in the military, can't tell you how many times I either had access to information or didn't based on my "need to know" the mission. IOWs, it only takes one. You might be correct. I only know what I've already said about the incident. It could be a conspiracy at the highest levels. But what makes you think even one would be loyal to Obama ? Did I say that? But, the military is a reflection of our current society and this forum. Some one voted for and elected Obama, should such a scenario exist, I feel confident there's at least one O supporter in the Navy. |
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« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2016, 02:42:17 PM » |
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If Obama had them do this as is suggested do we really think all 10 of them are loyal to Obama ?
What makes you think it would take more than one? I spent a lot of time in the military, can't tell you how many times I either had access to information or didn't based on my "need to know" the mission. IOWs, it only takes one. You might be correct. I only know what I've already said about the incident. It could be a conspiracy at the highest levels. But what makes you think even one would be loyal to Obama ? The same reason at least 3 here on this forum are loyal to him. |
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