Hope is still alive (at least for me)

[The emperor has no clothes]

Kasich is still alive. The fat lady hasn't sung yet.

[mike72903]

I think Kasich is the only republican that could win the general election. 

[Hef]

My opinion, for what it's worth, is that there is no way he can get to the general election by vote. if he his appointed to be the candidate there will be so much anger that he won't get the votes to beat Hildabeast.

[The emperor has no clothes]

My opinion, for what it's worth, is that there is no way he can get to the general election by vote. if he his appointed to be the candidate there will be so much anger that he won't get the votes to beat Hildabeast.

I agree that he won't get enough delegates to get the nomination. But if the 3 of them fail to get enough delegates all bets are off. I too think he is the best shot to beat Clinton.

[FLAVALK]

I agree that he won't get enough delegates to get the nomination. But if the 3 of them fail to get enough delegates all bets are off. I too think he is the best shot to beat Clinton.

I'ts interesting how it seems each candidates supporters think "Their Guy" is the only one who can beat the Hildabeast

[FLAVALK]

My opinion, for what it's worth, is that there is no way he can get to the general election by vote. if he his appointed to be the candidate there will be so much anger that he won't get the votes to beat Hildabeast.

^^ This

[Robert]

Its a shame that the Republican party has strategically allowed kasich in the running to siphon off votes from Donald Trump. So that the nomination was not locked in early and that they can play games later. This is dirty tricks since he has virtually no chance to win by popular vote and shows how badly and openly corrupt this party has become.


Also with the acceleration of Trump popularity the Supreme Court nomination has become a serious issue for O. Its all pretty disgusting to watch this political fodder for control of this country amid policies and changes brought in by the O administration that have not been popular nor healthy among most in the US. They are worried that the deaf ears and corruption they have sown will fall and they will be set back in their plans. 

[The emperor has no clothes]

I agree that he won't get enough delegates to get the nomination. But if the 3 of them fail to get enough delegates all bets are off. I too think he is the best shot to beat Clinton.

I'ts interesting how it seems each candidates supporters think "Their Guy" is the only one who can beat the Hildabeast

Well it wouldn't make much sense to be supporting one that you thought would lose. At least that's my take on it.

Its a shame that the Republican party has strategically allowed kasich in the running to siphon off votes from Donald Trump. So that the nomination was not locked in early and that they can play games later. This is dirty tricks since he has virtually no chance to win by popular vote and shows how badly and openly corrupt this party has become.

uh corrupt would be forcing out an honorable man. And I seriously doubt any Trump supporter is going to change over to being a Kasich supporter. They are about as polar opposites as you can get.

[Robert]

I don't think you understand, The man may be honorable but he has virtually no chance of winning by popular vote and really has not even run a campaign. So the Republican party realizing this will sometimes tell the candidate not to run to allow the votes to go to the Republican party best choice.

They did just the opposite here,


  They told and supported Kaisch to run to siphon off votes from Trump as a political tactic.

   I personally believe that without Kaisch in the running Trump would have won all the votes effectively winning the Presidential nomination by landslide. If this happened the Republican party would have been forced to accept Trump or seriously change the internal structure.
   
   Now they have a toe hold to play games, because Kaisch will never win and because Trump did not get an immediate commanding lead over everyone else in the field. It was a planned move

A contested convention which results in a different nominee is exactly what the Republican party wants. If this happens we ALL lose.

[The emperor has no clothes]

"If this happens we all lose". I have a different take on it.
Scenario 1) Trump wins the nomination and loses the the election to Clinton.
Scenario 2) It goes to a contested convention. Kasich is nominated. Goes on to beat Clinton.
 

I prefer scenario 2, admittedly a HUGE longshot.

[Serk]

I'm truly starting to wonder what scares the establishment "Republicans" more.. Trump getting the nomination and then losing to Hillary or..... Trump getting the nomination and then winning.

[RainMaker]

I agree that he won't get enough delegates to get the nomination. But if the 3 of them fail to get enough delegates all bets are off. I too think he is the best shot to beat Clinton.

I'ts interesting how it seems each candidates supporters think "Their Guy" is the only one who can beat the Hildabeast

All anyone running against hilLIARy needs is a well placed bucket of water. 

[The emperor has no clothes]

I'm truly starting to wonder what scares the establishment "Republicans" more.. Trump getting the nomination and then losing to Hillary or..... Trump getting the nomination and then winning.

I think it might be choice #2

[Robert]

"If this happens we all lose". I have a different take on it.
Scenario 1) Trump wins the nomination and loses the the election to Clinton.
Scenario 2) It goes to a contested convention. Kasich is nominated. Goes on to beat Clinton.
 

I prefer scenario 2, admittedly a HUGE longshot.

If I was a gambling man I would not go with either of those ideas.

   If the Republican party pics Kasich what does that say about him?

That he is in footstep with them and not the people, he will do their bidding and not the will of the people just as its going now, NOTHING CHANGES. How does this help the people?

If Clinton wins then we are definitly worse off.

Lose, lose senario if it plays to what you say.

[Serk]

I'm truly starting to wonder what scares the establishment "Republicans" more.. Trump getting the nomination and then losing to Hillary or..... Trump getting the nomination and then winning.

I think it might be choice #2

I think you're right. And I hate to admit it but that, combined with the violent thugs now rioting to stop Trump from speaking is almost enough (ALMOST I say!) to make me move the needle from "Reluctantly voting for Trump if I have to just to stop Hillary" to "Actually support the guy and vote for him, not just against Hillary."

You can tell a lot about a person based on their enemies.

[FLAVALK]

I'm truly starting to wonder what scares the establishment "Republicans" more.. Trump getting the nomination and then losing to Hillary or..... Trump getting the nomination and then winning.

I think it might be choice #2

I think you're right. And I hate to admit it but that, combined with the violent thugs now rioting to stop Trump from speaking is almost enough (ALMOST I say!) to make me move the needle from "Reluctantly voting for Trump if I have to just to stop Hillary" to "Actually support the guy and vote for him, not just against Hillary."

You can tell a lot about a person based on their enemies.

Amen

[The emperor has no clothes]

As far as his violent protesters. Why don't they keep them from coming in to begin with ? Seems to me he thrives on that stuff.

[solo1]

Look who we have as POTUS.  When he got in, qualifications for the office went out the window.

If we can outvote the free loaders, no matter who gets the GOP nomination, we should be able to bring this country back.  However, I think Trump would bring it farther, especially in economics and Pride in the USA.

The GOP establishment doesn't want Trump in, it would spoil all their perks and power.  Like mentioned, Kasick is their last hope to keep Trump from being nominated.  I think Kasick is a good pol for being part of "the Establishment" but Trump is speaking for the majority of us, nevermind his crude way of doing it.

It will probably boil down to (AGAIN) the GOP snatching defeat from the jaws of victory and we'll lose again)

[The emperor has no clothes]

You can tell a lot about a person based on their enemies.

You can also tell a lot about someone based on their supporters.

[FLAVALK]

As far as his violent protesters. Why don't they keep them from coming in to begin with ? Seems to me he thrives on that stuff.

Exactly how would you do that? I doubt they're all wearing "DUMP TRUMP" T-shirts

[Crackerborn]

“However [political parties] may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion.”

― George Washington

Try to tell me George was wrong.
 
My thoughts on the matter are less about who might be the eventual GOP candidate since any will polarize some voting faction, but rather turning the house and senate back over to the Free Sh!t Army because the truly conservative don't have a reason to vote.

So far the two parties leaders are a corrupt politician or a business man that made his fortune buying favors from the corrupt politicians. That looks like opposite sides of the same coin to me.

[The emperor has no clothes]

As far as his violent protesters. Why don't they keep them from coming in to begin with ? Seems to me he thrives on that stuff.

Exactly how would you do that? I doubt they're all wearing "DUMP TRUMP" T-shirts

Bush was able to vet the people that came to his events by checking their affiliations, etc. I'm not saying it would be 100% but Trump has said that Secret Service has told him that there were people in the audience with tomatoes. Whether he was telling the truth I don't know but if there are people with signs, tomatoes, etc. I think those could easily be weeded out. It wasn't that hard for Bush to do. It goes to my theory that he thrives on it. Hell his victory speech last night sounded more like an angry old man that a reporter slighted him about than a victory speech of trouncing his opponents. I think he has something in his personality that thrives on perceived slights and controversies.

[Serk]

Bush was able to vet the people that came to his events by checking their affiliations, etc.

It wasn't that hard because Bush was playing to rooms with 10's of people...

Trump is bringing in audiences of thousands to tens of thousands.

[Crackerborn]

The Trumpkin protesters are protected by the First Ammendment, the same as the pro-Trumpkins' right to assemble. The democratic socialist party has been trying for the last 7 years to start limiting our Constitutional liberties and now we have a republican doing the same.

Two side of the same coin and some seem blinded by the shine.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Bush was able to vet the people that came to his events by checking their affiliations, etc.

It wasn't that hard because Bush was playing to rooms with 10's of people...

Trump is bringing in audiences of thousands to tens of thousands.

Sorry I was referring to "W" in '04

[Daddie O]

I'm loving how this is playing out.  In my mind, this is how it goes:

Trump wins nomination, and many Republicans and Independents cannot simply hold their nose and vote for him.  Hillary wins.

Trump doesn't get enough votes to win nomination.  Brokered convention steals nomination from Trump.  Republican Party fractures.  Trump runs as Independent.  Hillary wins.

In either outcome Hillary wins.  I don't see Trump winning the nomination, then winning the general election.  No poll ever suggests it possible.  The Democratic Party hasn't even really begun to attack him, the Republicans have given enough fodder that the Dems don't even have to say anything about him.  They could just play clips of pretty much every Republican castigating Trump.  Sure, the idea that not even Republicans like him appeals to his supporters, but no one else.  So, the end result of it all?

President Hillary Rodham Clinton!

[Robert]

I'm loving how this is playing out.  In my mind, this is how it goes:

Trump wins nomination, and many Republicans and Independents cannot simply hold their nose and vote for him.  Hillary wins.

Trump doesn't get enough votes to win nomination.  Brokered convention steals nomination from Trump.  Republican Party fractures.  Trump runs as Independent.  Hillary wins.

In either outcome Hillary wins.  I don't see Trump winning the nomination, then winning the general election.  No poll ever suggests it possible.  The Democratic Party hasn't even really begun to attack him, the Republicans have given enough fodder that the Dems don't even have to say anything about him.  They could just play clips of pretty much every Republican castigating Trump.  Sure, the idea that not even Republicans like him appeals to his supporters, but no one else.  So, the end result of it all?

President Hillary Rodham Clinton!

I cant believe I'm saying this but on the whole I agree with you. You explained very well the situation but I still think Trump will win. 

The deceitfulness and games of the republican party sure makes me sick, they will do anything to hold on to power and not do the right thing for the people.

[Alpha Dog]

Bush was able to vet the people that came to his events by checking their affiliations, etc.

It wasn't that hard because Bush was playing to rooms with 10's of people...

Trump is bringing in audiences of thousands to tens of thousands.

Exactly Serk.  First this is an organized attack on Trump by the fringe left funded by organizations funded by George Saros.  George Bush the 2nd was not bringing in the crowds that Trump does as he excited very little and I remember him ducking not one but two shoes thrown at him among other travesties.

First Hand Account of a Trump Rally.   This past Saturday I attended the Dayton, Ohio ( Vandalia Rally )  I do  not know how many people showed up but they filled a large hanger at the Dayton Airport that could have held Trumps 757 and the same amount of people were outside of the hangar on the concrete, my guess 10 to 20k.  These people for most part were middle class working people although there were some wealthy ones there also that I recognized.  They were very very energetic and very respectful.  The trouble makers were organized to go off about every 10 minutes and were distributed around the room, about 10 people total.  No one touched these people except police.  The police did a great job and escorted them out in a respectful way.  A couple trouble makers  flipped the crowd the finger on way out.  I had a vantage point to observe most of what happened as I went over the inside crowd control fences and climbed atop a sound stage equipment locker about 3 foot high.  As for the guy that jumped over the fence and was subdued by the secret service, well his facebook site tells all you need to know about him.   Very far leftist that has a pic of him dragging American flag and standing on it in the mud, or something like this.  He has been a trouble maker at his college.  SOB went to same university as my wife, that being Wright State University.  On the drive in there was one group of protesters about 10 in total.  They were almost all female about 20 years old with wild colored hair and some face piercings.  There was a guy about 6 2 or larger with a blonde wig and dressed in a dress, someone all parents would be proud of no doubt.  He may have been the leader.  They would chat back and forth with each other and then every so often someone would remind them they were there to protest and they would turn to the cars about 15 feet away, hold up a few signs and pull up smart phones and films drivers, and then turn back around and talk and laugh with each other.  I was told by others that these girls flipped them off.   I am sure someone that was paid brought them their in a bus, I doubt any of them had their own vehicle.   I imagine this is pretty typical of most Trump rallys.

You can not know who is a protester as you get your ticket on line for free and no one looks at it inside anyway, mostly just for emails I think.  I will say security at entrance was very good.  Trump commended the police several times.  Also Trump did nothing to incite.

[Pappy!]

I'm loving how this is playing out.  In my mind, this is how it goes:

Trump wins nomination, and many Republicans and Independents cannot simply hold their nose and vote for him.  Hillary wins.

Trump doesn't get enough votes to win nomination.  Brokered convention steals nomination from Trump.  Republican Party fractures.  Trump runs as Independent.  Hillary wins.

In either outcome Hillary wins.  I don't see Trump winning the nomination, then winning the general election.  No poll ever suggests it possible.  The Democratic Party hasn't even really begun to attack him, the Republicans have given enough fodder that the Dems don't even have to say anything about him.  They could just play clips of pretty much every Republican castigating Trump.  Sure, the idea that not even Republicans like him appeals to his supporters, but no one else.  So, the end result of it all?

President Hillary Rodham Clinton!

You seem to forget the fact that he will also be attacking her.....and she has tons more skeletons in her closet (possibly literally, lol) than he probably does.

[Daddie O]

There is absolutely nothing hiding in Hillary's closet.  Republicans have been attacking her for over 20 years.  Any dirt has already been dug and flung.

[FLAVALK]

There is absolutely nothing hiding in Hillary's closet.  Republicans have been attacking her for over 20 years.  Any dirt has already been dug and flung.

And whats amazing is that knowing what a deceitful, lying snake she is, progressives are eager to vote for her. It simply speaks to their character.

[_Sheffjs_]

I have a large staff of Maintenance and Janitorial workers and I joined them in the break room the other day. This is largely a group that could each vote on either side. After much very intersting talk where I did not say much moreover listened, the end result from them was they really wish there was a reset button here that would wipe all canadates out on both sides and start with new ones. They feel that both parties could do so much better in bringing canadates to the table. You know, I agree.  Wow, how did we get here?  

[The emperor has no clothes]

I have a large staff of Maintenance and Janitorial workers and I joined them in the break room the other day. This is largely a group that could each vote on either side. After much very intersting talk where I did not say much moreover listened, the end result from them was they really wish there was a reset button here that would wipe all canadates out on both sides and start with new ones. They feel that both parties could do so much better in bringing canadates to the table. You know, I agree.  Wow, how did we get here?  

Could not agree more. It's pretty sad these are going to be our 2 choices.

[michaelyoung254]

I've always considered myself to be conservative, and have always voted for conservative candidates. In fact, I have only voted for one Democratic candidate my entire life, and that was for a local (County) office in which a family friend was running for County Constable. In all honesty, even though he was running as a Democrat, he was (and still is) far more conservative than just about any of the Republicans in office now. With that being said, if the Republicans pull some kind of stunt whereas they force a brokered convention, and then put in the RHINO of their choice as the Republican candidate, I will NOT vote for that candidate regardless of who it is. In fact, I will vote Democrat straight ticket. This will be MY way of rebelling against the Republican Party for ignoring the will of the voters, and acting on their own self interest.

I personally know of several people who say that they will never vote for the Hildabeast or Bernie, and they are saying that they will sit out the election, and not vote at all. Let's face it, any conservative who doesn't vote is basically a vote for the Demoncrat candidate. I'm convinced that if the  "Establishment Republicans" pull this stunt, they will be guaranteeing a loss in the General Election.

[Moonshot_1]

GOP goes to brokered convention. Paul Ryan comes out as nominee on 56th ballot.

Hillary indicted by Justice department. Multiple felony charges. Drops out of race.

General election between Ryan and Sanders.

 

[michaelyoung254]

GOP goes to brokered convention. Paul Ryan comes out as nominee on 56th ballot.

Hillary indicted by Justice department. Multiple felony charges. Drops out of race.

General election between Ryan and Sanders.

 

The Hildabeast will NEVER be indicted by the current administration.

[Alpha Dog]

I have a large staff of Maintenance and Janitorial workers and I joined them in the break room the other day. This is largely a group that could each vote on either side. After much very intersting talk where I did not say much moreover listened, the end result from them was they really wish there was a reset button here that would wipe all canadates out on both sides and start with new ones. They feel that both parties could do so much better in bringing canadates to the table. You know, I agree.  Wow, how did we get here?  

I will just say this.  This is nothing new and I have been as guilty of it as everyone.  That is because people want a perfect candidate and the only perfect candidate that exists is yourself, so there is over 250 million elgible perfect candidates available to exactly one person each.  If all these folks set the reset dial they would still be sorely disappointed.
Chuck

[Serk]

Once again... the wisdom of South Park:

They had an episode back in 2004 (Season 8 Episode 8 "Douche and Turd") centered around the school voting for a new mascot, and the choices were "Giant Douche" or "Turd Sandwich".

This little nugget of truth is pulled from the script of that episode:

Stan: I think voting is great. I just didn't care this time because it was between a giant douche and a turd sandwich.

Man: But Stan, don't you know? It's always between a giant douche and a turd sandwich. Nearly every election since the beginning of time has been between some douche and some turd. They're the only people who suck up enough to make it that far in politics.

[_Sheffjs_]

I have a large staff of Maintenance and Janitorial workers and I joined them in the break room the other day. This is largely a group that could each vote on either side. After much very intersting talk where I did not say much moreover listened, the end result from them was they really wish there was a reset button here that would wipe all canadates out on both sides and start with new ones. They feel that both parties could do so much better in bringing canadates to the table. You know, I agree.  Wow, how did we get here?  

I will just say this.  This is nothing new and I have been as guilty of it as everyone.  That is because people want a perfect candidate and the only perfect candidate that exists is yourself, so there is over 250 million elgible perfect candidates available to exactly one person each.  If all these folks set the reset dial they would still be sorely disappointed.
Chuck

Maybe -- Maybe not, however we will never get that chance. This election is going to be interesting.   

[RainMaker]

I think that Trump would be the reset switch.  That 4 years of a Trump administration would end up in a great statemate/gridlock (same as now) or, if he's half as good as he boasts about, a time of renewal.  Either way, I don't see him running for re-election.  Having to play by the rules (laws) would cease to be fun for Trump for too long.