Run, Hide & Fight

[Atl-Jerry]

Yesterday my wife had a procedure at Northside Hospital in Atlanta and I had to loiter in the area for a spell.  I noticed a large picture of a gun by the front door and an explanation that no weapons of any kind were allowed.  There was a frumpy  middle aged lady sitting at a desk just inside the door so I asked her how she was going to protect me should a bad guy who couldn’t read the sign came in and started shooting up the place.  Of course she laughed and said she was not one to run anywhere at anytime and if I saw her running she thought I should do the same.  She pulled out a 3 ring binder and showed me her written instructions from the “front office”.  It was one page with three paragraphs followed by a few bullets under each, the first line of each paragraph was underlined and in bold print, they said “Run, Hide & Fight”.  There was no reference to protecting the patients and visitors, just for employees to get out.  She did go on to tell me that I should be careful not to trip over her body on the way out because she didn’t expect to get out of the parking lot before she keeled over with a heart attack.  At least she had a sense of humor about it.  With all humor aside, it seems to me that if someone is going to insist we go unarmed then THEY should take some measure to protect us while in their establishment.  Or maybe we should just ignore their signs and exercise our 2nd amendment.

[Varmintmist]

OH yeah, we just got a 3 part email from security about the same joke.

You are supposed to run, if you cant run or cant get away, you are supposed to hide, if those fail, you are [/b]supposed to find anything to use as a weapon and fight[/b]

The comments ranged from sheep stating that this was really good "training" to folks bring facts into the discussion, to me where I stated that I had chosen a couple good weapons, but I was not allowed to have them with me. So I am effectively reduced to "GO AWAY, or I shall taunt you again."

Comments were disabled right after that.

[old2soon]

run hide fight!  If an armed person do show up and start shootin people up WHAT zackly iz ya sposed to fight with if guns ain't legal there?    Oh wait I know this one-call law enforcement. That way law enforcement can count the victims. RIDE SAFE.

[Chrisj CMA]

I just ignore the sign or the establishment, whichever makes more sense.

[Firefighter]

A couple of months ago I went into my IBC bank and there was a man by the door with a guard uniform on but no weapon. On my way out I told him bet you hope no armed robbers come in, at first he looked surprised and kind of shocked like maybe I was a robber, didn't say anything, so I said they wont let you arm yourself? He never said anything, just a sheepish grin, so I turned to leave and I said that's crazy. Maybe he wasn't supposed to talk about such things, I don't know.

[Rams]

I'm too old and slow to Run,
I'm too fat and balding to hide,
I'll just stand my ground and not give an inch.

May or may not survive but, life is a chance, you get your ticket and enjoy the ride.

[Gryphon Rider]

I'm too old and slow to Run,
I'm too fat and balding to hide,
I'll just stand my ground and not give an inch.

May or may not survive but, life is a chance, you get your ticket and enjoy the ride.

You can probably hide better than this non-bald, skinny person:

[fudgie]

Our hospital recently stuck a no guns or knives sign on the doors that lead from the ambulance bay to the ER. I think they did it after our hospital shoot out. Either way its not illegal to have such items in the hospital. We point at it and laugh as we walk in with our knives in plain view.  One of the 'by the books' security officers noticed my knife on my belt one day. She said "you cant have that in here". I laughed and said "yea whatever. I guess every medic is not allowed in here anymore". She turned and left. 

[CajunRider]

With all humor aside, it seems to me that if someone is going to insist we go unarmed then THEY should take some measure to protect us while in their establishment. 

Interesting idea...

Makes we wonder if a lawsuit to that effect would work against such an establishment where a customer was injured or killed due to them not being able to protect said customers?????

My guess would be that the PC court system would throw out that lawsuit in favor for another transgender equal rights lawsuit.

[old2soon]

With all humor aside, it seems to me that if someone is going to insist we go unarmed then THEY should take some measure to protect us while in their establishment. 

Interesting idea...

Makes we wonder if a lawsuit to that effect would work against such an establishment where a customer was injured or killed due to them not being able to protect said customers?????

My guess would be that the PC court system would throw out that lawsuit in favor for another transgender equal rights lawsuit.

                     OR finding for the perp and awarding the perp several millions of dollars cuz they were misunderstood or in a minority.  RIDE SAFE.

[Willow]

With all humor aside, it seems to me that if someone is going to insist we go unarmed then THEY should take some measure to protect us while in their establishment. 

Interesting idea...

Makes we wonder if a lawsuit to that effect would work against such an establishment where a customer was injured or killed due to them not being able to protect said customers?????

My guess would be that the PC court system would throw out that lawsuit in favor for another transgender equal rights lawsuit.

There actually is precedent.  It's not, to my knowledge, insisting they provide armed guards to disallow weapons carried by licensed but there is a demand in some jurisdictions that they have reasonable means to determine that bad guys don't come in with weapons such as metal detectors rather than just a passive sign.

The sign is just litigation protection.  The best course is to carry concealed (if it's concealed they shouldn't be able to know) and simply leave if they ask you to do so.  It gets a little more complicated when it's your own workplace.

[The emperor has no clothes]

With all humor aside, it seems to me that if someone is going to insist we go unarmed then THEY should take some measure to protect us while in their establishment. 

Interesting idea...

Makes we wonder if a lawsuit to that effect would work against such an establishment where a customer was injured or killed due to them not being able to protect said customers?????

My guess would be that the PC court system would throw out that lawsuit in favor for another transgender equal rights lawsuit.

There actually is precedent.  It's not, to my knowledge, insisting they provide armed guards to disallow weapons carried by licensed but there is a demand in some jurisdictions that they have reasonable means to determine that bad guys don't come in with weapons such as metal detectors rather than just a passive sign.

The sign is just litigation protection.  The best course is to carry concealed (if it's concealed they shouldn't be able to know) and simply leave if they ask you to do so.  It gets a little more complicated when it's your own workplace.

Yes it does 

[hubcapsc]

I'm too old and slow to Run,
I'm too fat and balding to hide,
I'll just stand my ground and not give an inch.

May or may not survive but, life is a chance, you get your ticket and enjoy the ride.

You were skinny at Mac's ride last fall...

-Mike

[Oss]

ok this is in poor taste but its what came to mind when I
opened the thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjEcj8KpuJw

[hubcapsc]

The sign is just litigation protection.

In South Carolina, a proper sign is the law...

A permit issued pursuant to this section does not authorize a permit holder to carry a concealable weapon into a:
               .
               .
               .
(10) place clearly marked with a sign prohibiting the carrying of a concealable weapon on the premises pursuant to Sections 23-31-220 and 23-31-235. Except that a property owner or an agent acting on his behalf, by express written consent, may allow individuals of his choosing to enter onto property regardless of any posted sign to the contrary. A person who violates a provision of this item, whether the violation is wilful or not, only may be charged with a violation of Section 16-11-620 and must not be charged with or penalized for a violation of this subsection.

Except as provided for in item (10), a person who wilfully violates a provision of this subsection is guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction, must be fined not less than one thousand dollars or imprisoned not more than one year, or both, at the discretion of the court and have his permit revoked for five years.



SC Code § 16-11-620 (2012)

Any person who, without legal cause or good excuse, enters into the dwelling house, place of business, or on the premises of another person after having been warned not to do so or any person who, having entered into the dwelling house, place of business, or on the premises of another person without having been warned fails and refuses, without good cause or good excuse, to leave immediately upon being ordered or requested to do so by the person in possession or his agent or representative shall, on conviction, be fined not more than two hundred dollars or be imprisoned for not more than thirty days.

[Gavin_Sons]

I ignore all signs on buildings that are not government owned or schools. Our son had surgery last year at a big hospital in Indy and a nurse saw my gun when I bent over and got something out of our bag. She told me she had to ask me to leave and security would escort me out. Before she made the call I said fine, I'll hide behind you when shooters come in and start killing people. She kinda smiled and walked out. Never came to get me nor did I care. My wife has the same signs at work in her hospital. If she gets a patient that carrys she is suppose to call security and have them escorted out. She just tell them to put in in an empty drawer while she does the procedure.  She knows I would be upset if she called and had them kicked out because that very person could save her life if crap hit the fan.

[RP#62]

A couple of months ago I went into my IBC bank and there was a man by the door with a guard uniform on but no weapon. On my way out I told him bet you hope no armed robbers come in, at first he looked surprised and kind of shocked like maybe I was a robber, didn't say anything, so I said they wont let you arm yourself? He never said anything, just a sheepish grin, so I turned to leave and I said that's crazy. Maybe he wasn't supposed to talk about such things, I don't know.

Reminded me of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKk2PoJCQ0g
-RP

[Willow]

The sign is just litigation protection.

In South Carolina, a proper sign is the law...

A permit issued pursuant to this section does not authorize a permit holder to carry a concealable weapon into a:
               .
               .
               .

South Carolina is certainly a different world than the one in which I live.  In Kansas, other than government buildings, the worst that can be done to one who carries past one of those signs is a charge of trespass if he doesn't leave when asked to.  The exception, obviously, is one's place of employment from which he could be fired.

Kansas is a bit further west than S.C.

 I guess my point was more often than not businesses post those signs to try to avoid being held responsible if someone is harmed within their premises.  That doesn't appear to apply in S.C. and probably in some other states as well.

Incidentally, in Kansas a permit to carry is only a formality and not a requirement.  Kansas has chosen to interpret the right to bear arms as it was intended by the founding fathers.  The state does still issue permits so that holders will be legal in reciprocating states.     

[Bighead]

Our hospital recently stuck a no guns or knives sign on the doors that lead from the ambulance bay to the ER. I think they did it after our hospital shoot out. Either way its not illegal to have such items in the hospital. We point at it and laugh as we walk in with our knives in plain view.  One of the 'by the books' security officers noticed my knife on my belt one day. She said "you cant have that in here". I laughed and said "yea whatever. I guess every medic is not allowed in here anymore". She turned and left. 

Had a Barney Fiffe type tell me the same as I ALWAYS have a knife clipped in the back pocket of my scrubs. I hear him yelling down the hall saying you can't have that on the Hospital campus, when I realized he was talking to me , I ask what he was talking about? And he said you have a weapon so I pulled the knife out of my pocket and ask if he was talking about this and he said yes that is a weapon. So I told him Nope it is not a weapon but a tool then pulled my 9" Bandage scissors out of my pocket and held them up and said this could be a weapon if I wanted it to be. Put the knife and scissors back in my pocket and proceeded to walk down the hall to surgery. He has never said anything again

[hubcapsc]

South Carolina is certainly a different world than the one in which I live.

We're too small to be our own country, and too large to be an insane asylum.

-Mike

[threevalks]

               West Virginia is pretty much same as Kansas. No carry in schools, courthouses, and some government buildings. If you carry in a posted building they can ask you to leave. Open carry legal, concealed carry in state, no permit required, permit needed for reciprocity states.