so its down to basically 2 choices

[Oss]

A lot of people are worried what if this or that evil person becomes POTUS  

I have been having a dream, more than a few times about what ifs
(and no I have not been drinking)

I am not a prepper, loaded for bear, but I do worry about the lack of transparency from our government as to what will happen in different scenarios and or our kids and their futures.  

Fact is without high clearance none of us know the plan in any crap hits the fan scenario, because the Govmt aint telling  WHY?

I would like to know what is the plan. Does anyone know? What is expected of people and what they can do to help their country and themselves.  Does anyone on this board know
what happens if for instance
1, the power grid goes down whether from our ineptness or outside influence or sabotage
2 The supply of gasoline ends whether thru war or other disaster
3  The event of nuclear or biological attack that causes the economy to implode
4  Anything that causes Washington DC to cease to exist
5  yellowstone erupts blowing away 4 states
6  any disaster that effects a large part of the country

Granted none of these things may happen, but any of them may happen some day.  

I really do not like that if there is a plan the PLAN is secret

 how will the individual States be able to work together and local law enforcement fire etc be able to work in such times What should we do if .............

  I think the fact that people dont know is fueling the fear and why many are scared of FEMA and Homeland and the NSA?  

Now I dont expect us to agree at all, and in fact I hope we dont because that means we still have 1st amendment freedoms, but we all have a right to know what we need to do to save our country and our way of life
if the SHTF

I know a few on here who have questioned this, lets hear some ideas even if just a PM to me

Who would you be more afraid to have in charge in any of those scenarios   and why

[Serk]

Libertarian 2016.

[Moonshot_1]

1 the power grid goes down whether from our ineptness or outside influence or sabotage
2 The supply of gasoline ends whether thru war or other disaster
3  The event of nuclear or biological attack that causes the economy to implode
4  Anything that causes Washington DC to cease to exist
5  yellowstone erupts blowing away 4 states
6  any disaster that effects a large part of the country


1.   Power grid –  I can’t see a total failure. Regional maybe. And for a fairly short time. (Month at the outside, longer for low priority areas)
2.   Gasoline- Horses, donkeys, mules. Worked before. Can work again.
3.   Nuke/Bio attack – Lots of variables on this one. Isolated or comprehensive? Response would obviously be Federal or federally supported.
4.   DC ceases to exist – trying to understand the down side to this one and it is eluding me. (State governments would handle their own affairs. Would locate new National Capital elsewhere. Perhaps an island off the Alaskan coast.)
5.   Yellowstone erupting – Sparsely populated area. Actual loss would be much less than say a 10.0 quake along the California coast wiping out San Diego, L.A., San Francisco, Las Vegas and such. The loss of human life would be in the 100+k if not millions. Look at a long recovery in the Calif. Scenario as opposed to the Yellowstone Scenario as there are much fewer population centers in the Yellowstone area.
6.   Ties in with #5. I’m sure the plan is to bring resources in from neighboring, unaffected areas for rescue and recovery efforts.


As to plans being “secret” let’s use a town’s evacuation plan as an example.
Such a plan would be used to evacuate a town in the event of a natural disaster. It would also be used to evacuate a town in the event of an enemy attack.
I would think such a plan that would be used for such purposes should be classified and executed only when it is necessary and in a timely manner.

This is also a great case for the 2nd Amendment rights. When it hits the fan and the government is unable to function the defense of you and of this country falls to the citizens.

I’ve always have thought of Government as a “team sport”. No one person can make or break it. Try as they might.
That said, I would not have any confidence in Mrs. Clinton in handling such scenarios.
I would think Mr. Trump’s business skills and hands on building experience would serve us much better

[Jess from VA]

Even the best laid plans by trained military units generally turn to to crap, in multiple ways, in the face of a motivated enemy.

Just because they may have plans doesn't mean they are good or realistic or will even work.

If they publish their plans, the enemy will use them in it's own operational plans, and it would give citizens a chance to argue that they are lousy plans.  They want no debate, and they don't want your opinions.  They only want your obedience.

Given the plans to evacuate the whole US G to the old Greenbrier Hotel, and now to Mount Weather, and more recent experiences, it is reasonable to assume that all the plans are to save themselves entirely, before any action is taken to save the people.  Most every action the Fed takes is in it's own self interest, not our interest.  Those interests are far from identical.

If our G, though gross mismanagement and incompetence, fiscal irresponsibility, failing foreign policy, and a gutted military allows us to fall to foreign aggression or other man made disaster, logic (and fairness) says they should die first, not last.  

If your street, or town, or city, or county, or region finds itself in a disaster, you should make your own plans, because you are on your own.  You may or may not be able to count on some neighbors, but I wouldn't plan on it.  You might get some local, or state or, Fed help but I wouldn't plan on it being timely or even in your own interest.  And if or when that HELP comes, it may be at odds with your plans or your (family) personal survival.  That HELP may need to be resisted with deadly force.  People that follow orders to get on the train or go to this camp, do so at their own risk.  If I think I am better off where I am, I am not getting on any train, or going to any camp (and neither are my rifles and ammunition).  You think they will let you come armed?  I will lay heavy odds, that is NOT in their plans.

____________________

A libertarian vote is a vote for Hillary.  Like him or not, Trump is better than the bitch by a long shot, and has been showing a groundswell of support throughout the country that has not been seen in recent history.  It's time to throw together up and down the line for the lesser of evils who has a real chance to defeat her in a general election (assuming nothing important comes of the FBI instigation).  If by some miracle, she is torn out of the race, Joe Biden will be inserted as a stopgap.

We had all better hang together, or we will all hang separately.  

[MP]

If there is any kind of large scale disaster, natural or manmade, you better be prepared to take care of yourself and your loved ones.  There is NO WAY the gov't can do it.  You will also then need to stop others from taking away what you have prepared.  You think those thugs in the street, starving, will just LET you keep your food?  Think again.  Stores will be out in two days.

[Serk]

A libertarian vote is a vote for Hillary.  

If, like you, you're in a swing state, this is a true statement...

Here in The Republic? Not so much... I can safely vote Libertarian without worry of Texas going for Hillary...

But either way, I just can't see enough of a contract from Hillary to Trump to get me excited either way...

[MP]

A libertarian vote is a vote for Hillary.  

If, like you, you're in a swing state, this is a true statement...

Here in The Republic? Not so much... I can safely vote Libertarian without worry of Texas going for Hillary...

But either way, I just can't see enough of a contract from Hillary to Trump to get me excited either way...

I truly believe that the Supreme Court Judges appointed by Trump, will be much more conservative than ones by Hillary.  Think 2nd Amendment.  Now, that does not mean they will be as conservative/libertarian as I would like, but MUCH better than Hillary's choices.

[Valkorado]

Living in a butt-cold town, those scenarios cross my mind from time to time.  We see -35 in the winters, and so many here are reliant on electric or gas heat exclusively.  While I have a love/hate relationship with our wood burner, I'm glad we have it in addition to to gas and electric.  It could save or lives, or help us die a warm death!  I have not gone overboard on survival stuff, but I do have a well packed bug out bag.  Around home, we have gas and electric generators, solar panels of several types and sizes, rechargeable led lanterns and flashlights, several types of water filtration, some but not enough survival food; I do have guns and fishing poles to get more grub.  Never enough anything.  Think medications, toiletries, pet food (or would pets be the food), etc, etc..  Even a master prepper couldn't prep for our grid going down, nuclear winter, a catastrophic meteor or the Yellowstone caldera blowing.  

Just trust God, I s'pose.  If he says it's time for us all to leave, we'll go!

[Chrisj CMA]

If the crap really hits while obama is still in, the try will be to enact martial law.  Can, the feds pull that off?  Well it seems they have trouble pulling their own socks off.

Me thinks it will be very ugly, government troops some places, rioting, looting, citizen having to protect themselves to the death.

That is the reason I have been collecting precious metals.  No, not gold and silver....... I collect brass and lead

[Robert]

Seems others have had the same dream but have been preparing for the continuation of government and if you have enough money the survival of your family.

 I don't believe it will unplanned but something orchestrated when the time is right to achieve a goal.

The plan is to keep people worried about the next crisis and keep them guessing. The finances of the US are posed to have a crisis on a spur of the moment decision. That would constitute an emergency and FEMA would take over and the Constitution suspended. I doubt your money would be worth anything and commodities will be the only thing worth trading in.

21 Goals of the Illuminati and The Committee of 300

    By Dr. John Coleman.(Written ca. 1993)
    http://educate-yourself.org/cn/johncolemangoalsofIlluminati.shtml#top

    21 Goals of the Illuminati and The Committee of 300 by Dr. John Coleman (ca. 1993)

    F rom: Conspirators' Hierachy: The Story of The Committee of 300

    1. To establish a One World Government/New World Order with a unified church and monetary system under their direction. The One World Government began to set up its church in the 1920:s and 30:s, for they realized the need for a religious belief inherent in mankind must have an outlet and, therefore, set up a "church" body to channel that belief in the direction they desired.

    2. To bring about the utter destruction of all national identity and national pride, which was a primary consideration if the concept of a One World Government was to work.

    3. To engineer and bring about the destruction of religion, and more especially, the Christian Religion, with the one exception, their own creation, as mentioned above.

    4. To establish the ability to control of each and every person through means of mind control and what Zbignew Brzezinski called techonotronics, which would create human-like robots and a system of terror which would make Felix Dzerzinhski's Red Terror look like children at play.

    5. To bring about the end to all industrialization and to end the production of nuclear generated electric power in what they call "the post-industrial zero-growth society". Excepted are the computer- and service industries. US industries that remain will be exported to countries such as Mexico where abundant slave labor is available. As we saw in 1993, this has become a fact through the passage of the North American Free Trade Agreement, known as NAFTA. Unemployables in the US, in the wake of industrial destruction, will either become opium-heroin and/or cocaine addicts, or become statistics in the elimination of the "excess population" process we know of today as Global 2000.

    6. To encourage, and eventually legalize the use of drugs and make pornography an "art-form", which will be widely accepted and, eventually, become quite commonplace.

    7. To bring about depopulation of large cities according to the trial run carried out by the Pol Pot regime in Cambodia. It is interesting to note that Pol Pot's genocidal plans were drawn up in the US by one of the Club of Rome's research foundations, and overseen by Thomas Enders, a high-ranking State Department official. It is also interesting that the committee is currently seeking to reinstate the Pol Pot butchers in Cambodia.

    8. To suppress all scientific development except for those deemed beneficial by the Illuminati. Especially targeted is nuclear energy for peaceful purposes. Particularly hated are the fusion experiments currently being scorned and ridiculed by the Illuminati and its jackals of the press. Development of the fusion torch would blow the Illuminati's conception of "limited natural resources" right out of the window. A fusion torch, properly used, could create unlimited and as yet untapped natural resources, even from the most ordinary substances. Fusion torch uses are legion, and would benefit mankind in a manner which, as yet, is not even remotely comprehended by the public.

    9. To cause. by means of A) limited wars in the advanced countries, B) by means of starvation and diseases in the Third World countries, the death of three billion people by the year 2050, people they call "useless eaters". The Committee of 300 (Illuminati) commissioned Cyrus Vance to write a paper on this subject of how to bring about such genocide. The paper was produced under the title "Global 2000 Report" and was accepted and approved for action by former President James Earl Carter, and Edwin Muskie, then Secretary of States, for and on behalf of the US Government. Under the terms of the Global 2000 Report, the population of the US is to be reduced by 100 million by the year of 2050.

    10. To weaken the moral fiber of the nation and to demoralize workers in the labor class by creating mass unemployment. As jobs dwindle due to the post industrial zero growth policies introduced by the Club of Rome, the report envisages demoralized and discouraged workers resorting to alcohol and drugs. The youth of the land will be encouraged by means of rock music and drugs to rebel against the status quo, thus undermining and eventually destroying the family unit. In this regard, the Committee commissioned Tavistock Institute to prepare a blueprint as to how this could be achieved. Tavistock directed Stanford Research to undertake the work under the direction of Professor Willis Harmon. This work later became known as the "Aquarian Conspiracy".

    11. To keep people everywhere from deciding their own destinies by means of one created crisis after another and then "managing" such crises. This will confuse and demoralize the population to the extent where faced with too many choices, apathy on a massive scale will result. In the case of the US, an agency for Crisis Management is already in place. It is called the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), whose existence I first enclosed in 1980.

    12. To introduce new cults and continue to boost those already functioning which include rock music gangsters such as the Rolling Stones (a gangster group much favored by European Black Nobility), and all of the Tavistock-created rock groups which began with the Beatles.

    13. To continue to build up the cult of Christian Fundamentalism begun by the British East India Company's servant Darby, which will be misused to strengthen the Zionist State of Israel by identifying with the Jews through the myth of "God's chosen people", and by donating very substantial amounts of money to what they mistakenly believe is a religious cause in the furtherance of Christianity.

    14. To press for the spread of religious cults such as the Moslem Brotherhood, Moslem Fundamentalism, the Sikhs, and to carry out mind control experiments of the Jim Jones and "Son of Sam" type. It is worth noting that the late Khomeini was a creation of British Military Intelligence Div. 6, MI6. This detailed work spelled out the step-by-step process which the US Government implemented to put Khomeini in power.

    15. To export "religious liberation" ideas around the world so as to undermine all existing religions, but more especially the Christian religion. This began with the "Jesuit Liberation Theology", that brought an end to the Somoza Family rule in Nicaragua, and which today is destroying El Salvador, now 25 years into a "civil war". Costa Rica and Honduras are also embroiled in revolutionary activities, instigated by the Jesuits. One very active entity engaged in the so-called liberation theology, is the Communist-oriented Mary Knoll Mission. This accounts for the extensive media attention to the murder of four of Mary Knoll's so-called nuns in El Salvador a few years ago. The four nuns were Communist subversive agents and their activities were widely documented by the Government of El Salvador. The US press and the new media refused to give any space or coverage to the mass of documentation possessed by the Salvadorian Government, which proved what the Mary Knoll Mission nuns were doing in the country. Mary Knoll is in service in many countries, and placed a leading role in bringing Communism to Rhodesia, Moçambique, Angola and South Africa.

    16. To cause a total collapse of the world's economies and engender total political chaos.

    17. To take control of all foreign and domestic policies of the US.

    18. To give the fullest support to supranational institutions such as the United Nations, the International Monetary Fund (IMF), the Bank of International Settlements, the World Court and, as far as possible, make local institutions less effective, by gradually phasing them out or bringing them under the mantle of the UN.

    19. To penetrate and subvert all governments, and work from within them to destroy the sovereign integrity of the nations represented by them.

    20. To organize a world-wide terrorist apparatus [Al-queda, ISIS, ISIL, etc.] and to negotiate with terrorists whenever terrorist activities take place. It will be recalled that it was Bettino Craxi, who persuaded the Italian and US Governments to negotiate with the Red Brigades kidnapers of Prime Minister Moro and General Dozier. As an aside, Dozier was placed under strict orders not to talk what happened to him. Should he ever break that silence, he will no doubt be made "a horrible example of", in the manner in which Henry Kissinger dealt with Aldo Moro, Ali Bhutto and General Zia ul Haq.

    21. To take control of education in America with the intent and purpose of utterly and completely destroying it. By 1993, the full force effect of this policy is becoming apparent, and will be even more destructive as primary and secondary schools begin to teach "Outcome Based Education" (OBE).

NOW FOR THE EXECUTIVE ORDERS ALREADY IN PLACE FOR THE US.

Executive Order Number 12148 created the Federal Emergency Management Agency that is to interface with the Department of Defense for civil defense planning and funding. An "emergency czar" was appointed. FEMA has only spent about 6 percent of its budget on national emergencies. The bulk of their funding has been used for the construction of secret underground facilities to assure continuity of government in case of a major emergency, foreign or domestic.

Executive Order Number 12656 appointed the National Security Council as the principal body that should consider emergency powers. This allows the government to increase domestic intelligence and surveillance of U.S. citizens and would restrict the freedom of movement within the United States and grant the government the right to isolate large groups of civilians. The National Guard could be federalized to seal all borders and take control of U.S. air space and all ports of entry. Here are just a few Executive Orders associated with FEMA that would suspend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. These Executive Orders have been on record for nearly 30 years and could be enacted by the stroke of a Presidential pen:

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months. The Federal Emergency Management Agency has broad powers in every aspect of the nation.

General Frank Salzedo, chief of FEMA's Civil Security Division stated in a 1983 conference that he saw FEMA's role as a "new frontier in the protection of individual and governmental leaders from assassination, and of civil and military installations from sabotage and/or attack, as well as prevention of dissident groups from gaining access to U.S. opinion, or a global audience in times of crisis." FEMA's powers were consolidated by President Carter to incorporate: The National Security Act of 1947, which allows for the strategic relocation of industries, services, government and other essential economic activities, and to rationalize the requirements for manpower, resources and production facilities; The 1950 Defense Production Act, which gives the President sweeping powers over all aspects of the economy; The Act of August 29, 1916, which authorizes the Secretary of the Army, in time of war, to take possession of any transportation system for transporting troops, material, or any other purpose related to the emergency; and The International Emergency Economic Powers Act, which enables the President to seize the property of a foreign country or national. These powers were transferred to FEMA in a sweeping consolidation in 1979.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/doomsday-seed-vault-in-the-arctic-2/23503
“Doomsday Seed Vault”  and personal bunker in the Arctic
Bill Gates, Rockefeller and the GMO giants know something we don’t

[Ramie]

No need to worry Oss, the department of Agriculture, the Environmental Protection agency and numerous other departments are arming themselves creating their own police force, doesn't that make you feel safe?

[Firefighter]

There may be some plans in some of the different agencys but the government agencys will not share with each other, will not be prepared to work together, will not have practiced, that is only on TV.  The government would try to throw together something last minute, they would be reactive and would be jumping from one thing to another reacting to what they could see not working together to solve the problem. They have demonstrated that in nearly every event from past history.

It's getting worse all the time, as we move more and more towards socialism. People seem to be getting more naive about what is going on in the world  and more dependant upon their government. The government is teaching us that we can't do for ourselves without government help, not to even try.
Remember, "you didn't build that building, you didn't build that business, government did."

We the people had best prepare ourselves to take care of ourselves.

[..]

If there is any kind of large scale disaster, natural or manmade, you better be prepared to take care of yourself and your loved ones.  There is NO WAY the gov't can do it.  You will also then need to stop others from taking away what you have prepared.  You think those thugs in the street, starving, will just LET you keep your food?  Think again.  Stores will be out in two days.

Yep.

And if Yellowstone blows kiss good bye to a lot of the USA.

It would be like a nuclear winter due to the amount of crap thrown into the atmosphere.

[MP]

If there is any kind of large scale disaster, natural or manmade, you better be prepared to take care of yourself and your loved ones.  There is NO WAY the gov't can do it.  You will also then need to stop others from taking away what you have prepared.  You think those thugs in the street, starving, will just LET you keep your food?  Think again.  Stores will be out in two days.

Yep.

And if Yellowstone blows kiss good bye to a lot of the USA.

It would be like a nuclear winter due to the amount of crap thrown into the atmosphere.

About Yellowstone.  I noted the comment that not many people live there.  True.  But, if it erupts like it has in the past, it is a MASSIVE eruption.  Many, many times normal volcanos.  It will have devestaing effects over much of the US, and the world.  Some type of nuclear winter will occur.

[Alien]

Politics and conspiracy theories aside, disaster response/emergency management is what I do professionally.  All city, county, state and federal agencies are required to have a disaster response plan that is usually public.  Here's a good place to start.  http://www.fema.gov/national-response-framework

Ride Safe,

Alien

[solo1]

Lots of long and probably good answers here.

An ideal scenario in any case would be to have at least ten acres for crops and food,  A means to generate electricity for an unknown period of time, An underground shelter, and a BIG storage of water and non perishable food.

To cap it all, a generous amount of arms and ammo to protect from unchecked citizenry and out of control government of any persuasion.

A nuclear war would stop all speculation, including those above..

How many would fit into that requirement? Certainly no one in big cities.  A mass exit of desperate people looking for means of existence (refer to the last requirement)

Just a little thought abut how things are screwed up right now.  Can you visualize the POTUS Obama having to make an instant  decision to use nuclear means to stop an immediate threat to the US?

[..]

He'd get James Taylor to sing to them   

[Firefighter]

Understood, but see what happens when it is time to implement those plans. We used to do table top scenarios and had all this manpower and all this equipment from all the different cities, military, and government agencys, it was great! But when s*it hit the fan for real, this was broke, thats not available, so and so is on vacation, we end up winging it, much less direction than the table top.

Mach disasters at the airport (required every three years by FAA), went pretty good using all the different entities, lots of help, every policeman and airport maintenance worker on duty that day, but when something really happens, end up cutting the chain on the airport gates to get in.

These disaster plans are required by law, but practice espically between agencys is not. Communicaton has always been the biggest problem.
 

[Wizzard]

When I was young we had to take Civil Defense class in High School. It was mandatory. We had to learn about nuclear fallout,, where the fallout shelters were and what the signs looked like that marked them. We were shown videos about what a nuclear bomb could do at given distances and the difference in the power of them and how it affected communications, how to store food and how to be prepared.
Somewhere along the line someone determined we do not need to be prepared. Guess we are no longer in danger and do not need to teach this stuff. I think not. It may have changed a bit but we still need to educate preparedness.
My take

[Firefighter]

I remember hiding under our desk in school.

[Alien]

Understood, but see what happens when it is time to implement those plans. We used to do table top scenarios and had all this manpower and all this equipment from all the different cities, military, and government agencys, it was great! But when s*it hit the fan for real, this was broke, thats not available, so and so is on vacation, we end up winging it, much less direction than the table top.

Mach disasters at the airport (required every three years by FAA), went pretty good using all the different entities, lots of help, every policeman and airport maintenance worker on duty that day, but when something really happens, end up cutting the chain on the airport gates to get in.

These disaster plans are required by law, but practice espically between agencys is not.
 

It's still that way, to a point.  Nowadays, everything is multi-agency and with the advent and widespread adoption if the Incident Command System, we're finally all speaking the same language.  We do tabletops, drills, and full scale exercises.  As you said, something in the plan always fails and you have to improvise.  Thats where people like me come in.  We know the plan and can come up with on the spot contingencies.

[Pappy!]

If the Hildabeast is elected, during her hopefully short tenure, she will have the ability to elect as many as 4 justices due to the age of the conservative side of the bench.
This would give her the benefit of as much as a 7-2 vote on anything that goes before them.

Something to think about!

[Firefighter]

Alien, I appreciate that, and you, this planning is needed, the ICS is the best thing since ice cream. The agencys involved need to practice together more, usually that doesn't happen and usually the ICS is not used adaquetly. The most important thing that needs to happen is have a knowledgeable representative from each agency that can communicate with his or her on people at the command post working together. This always fails at an actual emergency, these players that need to be involded with the ICS don't understand the importance, and are usually running around the emergency site. I have had alot of experience with that!

[Serk]

If the Hildabeast is elected, during her hopefully short tenure, she will have the ability to elect as many as 4 justices due to the age of the conservative side of the bench.
This would give her the benefit of as much as a 7-2 vote on anything that goes before them.

Something to think about!

I understand that concern VERY well... MY concern is, do you really think Trump would nominate constitutional conservative justices to the court either, or would he just push some of his east coast, liberal statist buddies no better than Hillary's choices?

[MP]

If the Hildabeast is elected, during her hopefully short tenure, she will have the ability to elect as many as 4 justices due to the age of the conservative side of the bench.
This would give her the benefit of as much as a 7-2 vote on anything that goes before them.

Something to think about!

I understand that concern VERY well... MY concern is, do you really think Trump would nominate constitutional conservative justices to the court either, or would he just push some of his east coast, liberal statist buddies no better than Hillary's choices?

Possibly. But, I doubt they could be worse than Hillarys, and hopefully will be better.

[Alien]

Alien, I appreciate that, and you, this planning is needed, the ICS is the best thing since ice cream. The agencys involved need to practice together more, usually that doesn't happen and usually the ICS is not used adaquetly. The most important thing that needs to happen is have a knowledgeable representative from each agency that can communicate with his or her on people at the command post working together. This always fails at an actual emergency, these players that need to be involded with the ICS don't understand the importance, and are usually running around the emergency site. I have had alot of experience with that!

Absolutely!

[MP]

Understood, but see what happens when it is time to implement those plans. We used to do table top scenarios and had all this manpower and all this equipment from all the different cities, military, and government agencys, it was great! But when s*it hit the fan for real, this was broke, thats not available, so and so is on vacation, we end up winging it, much less direction than the table top.

Mach disasters at the airport (required every three years by FAA), went pretty good using all the different entities, lots of help, every policeman and airport maintenance worker on duty that day, but when something really happens, end up cutting the chain on the airport gates to get in.

These disaster plans are required by law, but practice espically between agencys is not.
 

It's still that way, to a point.  Nowadays, everything is multi-agency and with the advent and widespread adoption if the Incident Command System, we're finally all speaking the same language.  We do tabletops, drills, and full scale exercises.  As you said, something in the plan always fails and you have to improvise.  Thats where people like me come in.  We know the plan and can come up with on the spot contingencies.

I think that may be all well and good, for a "small" disaster, like Katrina.  Look at how absolutely abismal the local, state, and federal response was.  Terrible.

Now, take a MAJOR disaster, EMT strike, limited nuclear, FAILURE of the banking system.  It would so overwhelm any and all plans, that they would be worthless.  Say Katrina had been 20 times BIGGER.  And that you and YOUR family were in the middle of it.  Do you honestly want to rely on gov't to keep you and yours alive and safe?  I sure as heck don't.  Because they cannot.

[Willow]

A few years ago I was attending a presentation to parents as the new high school year began.  There was much emphasis given as to the measures that were taken to be certain no person could get into the school with guns to do what had happened at Columbine in Colorado.

What I found ironic was that it was only a matter of months since several teenagers had been killed in an automobile accident on the way to an after school athletic event.  The young girl driving the convertible had allowed several passengers to ride without seat belts, a few sitting on the top of the rear seat back.

The point to me was that the danger we appeared to be most concerned and prepared for was the much smaller in chances for damage or death to the students.

I think it's good for you to prepare for what you're going to do when the crap hits the fan and the world crumbles around you.  Honestly, no matter how good your preparations your chances are very slim in that instance.  The odds are higher that the crisis that will occur for you in something much less universal and your preparations for those instances hold a good chance of making a real difference.

Do what you think you need to do.  I think the best thing is still to live every day making life as much as possible a rewarding daily experience.  If you break into my house at an unexpected time I may indeed kill you.  When the catastrophe occurs that eliminates eighty percent of the nation's or the world's population I will likely die.

 

[The emperor has no clothes]

I think the best thing is still to live every day making life as much as possible a rewarding daily experience.  If you break into my house at an unexpected time I may indeed kill you. 

 

I completely agree  But I'm a little confused about when you expect people to break in to your house ? 

[Pappy!]

Anything would be better than what the Hildabeast would elect. We know that she has an openly hostile position on gun ownership in the US. We also know that the left is circling the wagons slowly and carefully on free speech. She will quietly champion this as well.  
Will be listening carefully to Trump during the next several months. No doubt this will be covered and debated....if Clinton shows up to debate.

[Willow]

I think the best thing is still to live every day making life as much as possible a rewarding daily experience.  If you break into my house at an unexpected time I may indeed kill you.  

 

I completely agree   But I'm a little confused about when you expect people to break in to your house ?  

LOL!  Nice catch, mhead.  That expected time would be when I am outside and have locked my keys inside the house.  It would be when I have contracted someone with the responsibility and right to break into (one word) the house or when the script otherwise calls for such an action.

There was an expectation I left out of my rather long tirade.  I don't expect the real destruction to come by an instantaneous catastrophe, but by an over long time accumulation of little changes, small "progress", one brick at a time.  When we wake up to see it has arrived we will be surprised at how long it has been progressing.      

[The emperor has no clothes]

I think the best thing is still to live every day making life as much as possible a rewarding daily experience.  If you break into my house at an unexpected time I may indeed kill you.  

 

I completely agree   But I'm a little confused about when you expect people to break in to your house ?  

LOL!  Nice catch, mhead.  That expected time would be when I am outside and have locked my keys inside the house.  It would be when I have contracted someone with the responsibility and right to break into (one word) the house or when the script otherwise calls for such an action.

There was an expectation I left out of my rather long tirade.  I don't expect the real destruction to come by an instantaneous catastrophe, but by an over long time accumulation of little changes, small "progress", one brick at a time.  When we wake up to see it has arrived we will be surprised at how long it has been progressing.      

Dang it ! You got me again.  I really like your idea of living life to a rewarding conclusion . 

[Oss]

thanks for the replies and Alien I will go on that site tonite

I live about 12 miles southeast of Indian Point nuclear reactors  Wind rarely blows from the northwest and I am at the edge of the evacuation zone.  While not worried about the release of radiation on a daily basis, I wonder if something happens what happens to all that radioactive waste product on site if nobody is able to process it.

I will become more involved and speak to various friends in positions of leadership in the town and country to see what exactly we CAN do if there is no outside help available.

To me and that is just me, part of being a responsible citizen goes beyond just stocking, protective things and consumable things such as water and food for the family, at least before the crisis hits if it ever hits. 

Jess, There is no way I will willingly get on any train bus or truck at the "request" of government, that aint gonna happen. And yes you wont ever find me walking TOWARD any city in such an event

MP I appreciate the offer but I would never make it to your farm.      Not to say I would not love to visit some nice summer day in a few years

[Pappy!]

I really think the first "attacks" so to speak will be by computer to computers.
Shutting down a grid that controls Wall Street would throw this country into a tailspin.
Shut down the banking system for a few days, no money available, possibly no way to trace that you actually have money in that bank and how much. Runs on banks, grocery stores, gas stations...just as a start. Home invasions to take what you have ..... you get the idea.
Just these two alone would create an issue that could trigger Martial Law.

OSS they wouldnt have to destroy the physical powerplant. Disable the supply lines at several different key locations at the same time and again at different locations a short time later would do it.

[scooperhsd]

WHEN Yellowstone blows up - it WILL be a planet wide catastrophe. Doesn't matter how much prep you do - 3/4 of the lower 48 (if not more) are likely to be buried and you WILL be seeing a nuclear winter for several years on the rest of the planet. Fortunately, it only happens every 650 million years or so. Unfortunately - we're overdue...

On the bright side - at least the polar ice packs should get back to normal 

The rest of your scenarios - not too likely, and not much we can do about them if they do happen.

[Alpha Dog]

If Yellowstone blows Scooperhsd is right.  Everything to the east in the Continental US will be buried under feet of ash.  Suggest to head north to Canada or South to Florida or Caribbean asap.  This is a super volcano.  In recent Earth history it has went off every 600,000 years and is currently overdue by 40,000 years so this threat is real.   Another one are massive solar flares that can wipe out both satellites and take out the grid.  Last one that could have done this was in the 1850s and they are common. I agree about computers and banking system.  When we were young this was not a problem.   I hope I am lucky if anything happens, being out in a small farm communtiy where a whole lot of us get along, are armed to the teeth, have access to food stores and plenty of clean water, and hopefully would pull together for survival.

[JimC]

OSS, (and others)

There is a good book "ONE SECOND AFTER" you should read that deals with an EMP disaster.
New York Times best selling author William R. Forstchen now brings us a story which can be all too terrifyingly real...a story in which one man struggles to save his family and his small North Carolina town after America loses a war, in one second, a war that will send America back to the Dark Ages...A war based upon a weapon, an Electro Magnetic Pulse (EMP). A weapon that may already be in the hands of our enemies.

Months before publication, One Second After has already been cited on the floor of Congress as a book all Americans should read, a book already being discussed in the corridors of the Pentagon as a truly realistic look at a weapon and its awesome power to destroy the entire United States, literally within one second. It is a weapon that the Wall Street Journal warns could shatter America. In the tradition of On the Beach, Fail Safe and Testament, this book, set in a typical American town, is a dire warning of what might be our future...and our end.


I read this book from cover to cover and could not put it down. YES, it is fiction, HOWEVER, it is based upon what the experts feel WILL happen should our electrical grid go down. In a nut shell, we will revert as a country back to the mid 1800's.

I don't know about you people, but I don't feel I could handle it.
LINK TO BOOK: http://www.amazon.com/One-Second-After-William-Forstchen/dp/0765356864

Jim

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

OSS, (and others)

There is a good book "ONE SECOND AFTER" you should read that deals with an EMP disaster.
New York Times best selling author William R. Forstchen now brings us a story which can be all too terrifyingly real...a story in which one man struggles to save his family and his small North Carolina town after America loses a war, in one second, a war that will send America back to the Dark Ages...A war based upon a weapon, an Electro Magnetic Pulse (EMP). A weapon that may already be in the hands of our enemies.

Months before publication, One Second After has already been cited on the floor of Congress as a book all Americans should read, a book already being discussed in the corridors of the Pentagon as a truly realistic look at a weapon and its awesome power to destroy the entire United States, literally within one second. It is a weapon that the Wall Street Journal warns could shatter America. In the tradition of On the Beach, Fail Safe and Testament, this book, set in a typical American town, is a dire warning of what might be our future...and our end.


I read this book from cover to cover and could not put it down. YES, it is fiction, HOWEVER, it is based upon what the experts feel WILL happen should our electrical grid go down. In a nut shell, we will revert as a country back to the mid 1800's.

I don't know about you people, but I don't feel I could handle it.
LINK TO BOOK: http://www.amazon.com/One-Second-After-William-Forstchen/dp/0765356864

Jim

Jim beat me to it.

I thought I was prepared for most scenarios (short term scenarios) until I read this book. Then I realized, I wasn't even close and probably never will be. The problems encountered in a long term SHTF situation are monumental, and, if you're in an urban area or un-prepared in a rural area you are probably doomed. If you're an insulin dependent diabetic or otherwise dependent on something you don't have a large, protected supply of, you're probably doomed. If you are in a rural area but close to a major road, be prepared for a desperate migration of people from the urban areas.

Imagine every major city in the US under siege by the same type of thugs New Orleans had to deal with after the hurricane.

Imagine whole farm states of untended, un-harvested crops while those in densely populated areas die from lack of water and food. Imagine if it happens in the dead of winter. I have a wood burner, but an EMP would probably kill my chain saw. An LP based gas-log stove which doesn't require electricity would be a good bet along with a full tank of propane which is something I now have.

But, if it's an EMP and the vehicles all die, that 30 mile walk home from work could be tough and you'd better be armed and have good walking shoes and good walking cloths. Even a long, cold rain could kill you under those circumstances.