For you Obama / Hillary haters who think they want to destroy the 2nd Amendment

[scooperhsd]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/obama-had-strong-words-gun-201410483.html

Now - I'll grant there are other reasons to  not like Hillary, or Trump as well (my choice today would be "none of the above" ) , but gun issues are not a make/break.

[Serk]

Straight from the horse's mouth:

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/gun-violence-prevention/

That's enough for me to fight against her with every fiber of my being.

[solo1]

I don't know if you posted in jest or seriousness but just because the POTUS says something is true, I'm supposed to believe him?  That's laughable.

I bet that you didn't know that in the Veterans Administration, right now, a veteran who is claimed by the VA to be unable to handle his finances, can be put on the FBI's list as unsuitable for buying a gun.  This can be done based only on a BUREAUCRATIC decision by the VA. So far, I'm not sure who came up with that but it sounds underhanded like the present administration.

Kinda makes me wonder about the POTUS's statement.

BTW, I don't hate the POTUS or Hilary but I do hate the direction that they are, or will be, taking us.

[CajunRider]

Obama is quoted as saying:

"First of all, the notion that I or Hillary or Democrats or whoever you want to choose are hell-bent on taking away folks’ guns is just not true," Obama said. "And I don’t care how many times the NRA says it."

Yet there's no link to his quotes from EVERY speech given after some high profile shooting.  Those quotes where he wants laws passed to RESTRICT guns, ammo, lead, gun powder, etc. etc. etc. 

Obama's words are worth approximately dick.  His actions, however, speak VOLUMES. 

Actions like the 20+ executive actions against gun ownership and he's thrown out there. 

[big d]

Scooperhsd, are you being serious with this post or are you just trying to stir the pot. If you honestly believe what he said you are either dumb, naive or both. Do you ever watch the news. Oh sorry, I forgot the general news organizations don't actually give the news in full. They delete, give partial information or out right lie when reporting it. Daughter Chelsea when stumping for mommy dearest said repeatedly that Hillary will gut the second amendment as soon as she gets in. Hillary herself said in one of the New England states  while stumping that she would seriously have to look at the way Australia took guns away from their citizens. A suposed buy back that ended up a give back without compensation. Now the citizens are going to New Zealand and buying guns and bringing them back for self defense risking jail in doing so.
  Also do you really believe what the Optus says. He has lied constantly.
  1.  The stimulus and shovel ready jobs. Later laughing and saying that the shovel ready jobs didn't exist.
  2.  Obama care. You can keep your doctor and cost will go down. Another lie.
  3.  The Iran nuke deal. Mislead the media with outright lies to get what he wanted.
  4.  The economy is better. Another lie. What a recovery. Seven years and still going on. G.d.p. Is stagnant. Salaries also stagnant or lower. Unemployment has dropped only because 90 million people have dropped out of the market in looking for a job.
  5.  Job creation. Highest amount of jobs created in a month was barely over a hundred thousand and usually recalculated down to under 90 thousand.

   Glad to see you have your eyes open to the truth.

[Jess from VA]

Common sense gun laws.        

Right up there with common sense national healthcare, and common sense busing illegals all over creation, men in the ladies' with your daughter, and (fill in the many, many blanks).

[mike72903]

LOL, if you wanted to "stir the pot" this forum is the place to post that.  personally, I think it's just extreme right propaganda that "they" want to take away everyone guns.  I say this as a moderate that has guns.

[scooperhsd]

personally, I think it's just extreme right propaganda that "they" want to take away everyone guns.  I say this as a moderate that has guns.

I see what I consider an AWFUL LOT of right wing conspiracy nuts posts around here -  so I do I agree with you on this point.

[baldo]

LOL, if you wanted to "stir the pot" this forum is the place to post that.  personally, I think it's just extreme right propaganda that "they" want to take away everyone guns.  I say this as a moderate that has guns.

[solo1]

For the ignorant or misinformed, it would be hard to get rid of the Second Amendment based on the Constitution requirements to do so.  That's why Obama states that.

However, based on the Potus's record, it is entirely possible for him or Hilary to EFFECTIVELY kill it by grinding away while a Congress and maybe the SCOTUS sit on their collective asses.

Also be very careful about ascribing derogatory names to the posters here. I've not done it to others and I don't want others to do it to me.

[Rams]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/obama-had-strong-words-gun-201410483.html

Now - I'll grant there are other reasons to  not like Hillary, or Trump as well (my choice today would be "none of the above" ) , but gun issues are not a make/break.

Scooperhsd,
Please re-read the link, listen to the video and then tell me where he answered the question.   He spoke around it but, he never answered the direct question the gun-store owner asked.

Yes, he talked about never having said he wanted to "take away" guns but, listen to or read what he actually said.    Then, come back and stir the pot.   

[Varmintmist]

personally, I think it's just extreme right propaganda that "they" want to take away everyone guns.  I say this as a moderate that has guns.

I see what I consider an AWFUL LOT of right wing conspiracy nuts posts around here -  so I do I agree with you on this point.

NY has already started confiscating, it isnt a conspiracy.  They registered, now they are confiscating. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/12/05/nypd-targets-owners-multi-clip-shotguns-rifles.html

CA just told its LEO's that the AR's that CA made them buy on their own are now to be turned in.

 

[Robert]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/05/politics/obama-executive-action-gun-control/
From O's own mouth. Which he took executive action on.

http://www.oregonlive.com/data/2015/10/gun_deaths_other_causes.html

Suicide by guns 21k homicide by guns 11k mass shootings 502

death by illness 2,404,054 NON gun suicide 19k by non gun homicide 5k



https://www.aei.org/publication/chart-of-the-day-more-guns-less-gun-violence-between-1993-and-2013/

The number of guns compared to gun violence has dropped 49 percent while gun ownership has risen 56 percent

The US as far as countries go has one of the highest gun ownership rates but as far as homicides, deaths and other assorted gun related deaths has one of the lowest and if you compare that to the number of guns the US would be last on the list of gun violence.

So when you know the facts its not conspiracy nuts its people who know the truth and look at facts and fight for what is right. I consider those who listen to the talking heads like O and take what they say as truth as a sign of severe ignorance.

So while this is another topic to address what about forming a system of taxation that cost the US tax payer trillions of dollars takes away the tax refund due many and was not approved by congress and the reason for forming it was called a lie. That my friends is O care and why is he not in jail for that alone. Yet you want us to believe one sentence out of his mouth, now whose gullible really? I mean REALLY?


Last month, the Journal News sparked a firestorm of protest when it published a mappable database of every licensed gun owner in Westchester and Rockland counties, north of New York City. The reaction was swift and furious—gun rights and privacy advocates published the names and addresses of the paper's editors in retaliation, and the paper (ironically) hired armed guards to protect against threats.

The question really is why is this such a hot topic for O when its really not an issue? We have seen him shed a crocodile tear for one killed by gun violence but not no emotion at all for those swindled out of their money by the government.

2016 gun stats deaths by gun 275 gun homicides 5494 gun suicides 7250 guns used in self defense 1,041,819

SO BALDO WAS THAT PIC A SELF PORTRAIT?

[MP]

"Take away guns"  No, probably not all, in all cases.

2nd Amendment  will stand.

But.........

Put in a Supreme Court Judge that does not believe it applies to individuals, and a LOT of your gun rights will be gone with that.

Hillary has stated, and is campaigning on, MUCH stricter and restrictive gun control measures.

"Common Sense".  What the HEL+ does that mean?  To whom?  To a lot of lefties, common sense would be to greatly restrict guns to most people.

If you think that Hillary being elected, will NOT affect gun laws in this country to a large degree, you, my friend, are truly delusional.

[Robert]

The real reason Clinton and O are pushing the gun control legislation and while there have been many that say that this is not a gun ban or cannot be enforced because of the Constitution we have seen politicians push agendas before without regard.


UN: 122 nation gun ban, including the USA, effective this Christmas

Gun Owners’ Rights Flag

The UN Arms Trade Treaty [ATT], signed by the Obama regime, is set to go into effect this Christmas. At least that is what the United Nations Office of Disarmament Affairs [UNODA] is saying.

According to the UNODA website, the Obama regime signed the treaty on September, 25 2013. UNODA says the treaty will “go into force” on December 24th, 2014 in 122 nations. However, UNODA does admit that in 68 of those nations, no legislative body has actually approved the treaties.

The UN ATT is essentially a global ban on private gun ownership. Each signatory agrees to relinquish national sovereignty and place the UN in charge of enacting gun laws. Each signatory also agrees to enforce whatever gun laws the UN so desires.

In the past 100 years, governments have killed more people than any other cause. The UN wants to make sure that trend continues.

Obama violated the US Constitution and his oath of office by agreeing to the “treaty.”


https://unoda-web.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/English7.pdf

http://conservative-headlines.com/2014/11/un-122-nation-gun-ban-including-the-usa-effective-this-christmas/


You remember the Council on Foreign Relations thats the one that Hillary said we get our marching orders from

Council on Foreign Relations pushes executive gun controls

Following in the well-worn footsteps of New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg and his Blueprint for Federal Action on Illegal Guns, this week the Council on Foreign Relations released a memo urging the Obama administration to disregard the will of the American people and Congress and unilaterally enact a series of gun controls. Entitled, A Strategy to Reduce Gun Trafficking and Violence in the Americas, and written by CFR Senior Fellow for Latin American Studies, Julia F. Sweig, the memo pins the ills of Central and South America on U.S. gun owners and urges the president to curb our rights to cure them.

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/obama-had-strong-words-gun-201410483.html

Now - I'll grant there are other reasons to  not like Hillary, or Trump as well (my choice today would be "none of the above" ) , but gun issues are not a make/break.

The judge obama appointed to replace Scalia does not support the court's decision which clarified the 2nd Amendment is an individual right just like our other rights. In other words, if obama's judge gets the job our 2nd Amendment rights disappear. Obama spent his first term denying he wanted to attack our 2nd Amendment rights, then, after being elected to the 2nd term he tried to outlaw semi-automatic firearms before he was even sworn in.

He allowed Mexican drug cartels to buy weapons in America so they could be traced to crime in mexico purely to further the anti-gun propaganda he and Hillary were spewing. At the last count over 60 people including law enforcement officials on both sides of the border have been killed with these obama/hillary propaganda guns. If it wasn't for honest federal officials the world might never have known of this deceit.

He stopped vintage, historic, American made M1 carbines from being brought back into the states because he didn't trust American citizens to own them. He has been quoted saying that he didn't believe in the right to keep and bear arms and his actions have always shown it.

Hillary has recently said several times that the Supreme Court made a mistake and the 2nd Amendment is not/should not be an American right. She has also vocalized support for Australian style firearms confiscation. She has also supported banning "your Grandfather's old .22 tube feed rifle" because A, it holds to many rounds, and B, it's semi-automatic.

Obama and Hillary couldn't be anymore obviously aligned against our constitutional rights if they personally burned all of our Founders papers in storage in the Library of Congress. They hate America, they distrust the working class with firearms even though they employ armed people to defend themselves and their families. In other words, they feel they and their families are valuable enough to be defended and ours are not.

I don't know if the president's ability to lie about his intentions like that is more a reflection of his utter disdain for the average American's intelligence or his dependence on our short memories.

Whatever lies he tells, his actions have already spoken.

[baldo]

SO BALDO WAS THAT PIC A SELF PORTRAIT?

Sorry, but I can't view some pix here at work. I'll let you know. If you're referring to the guy in the hole, why would you think that? 

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

LOL, if you wanted to "stir the pot" this forum is the place to post that.  personally, I think it's just extreme right propaganda that "they" want to take away everyone guns.  I say this as a moderate that has guns.

I have to say. Either you know you are wrong and you just like to keep stirring the pot or your head is so deep in sand that you haven't seen the sun in years. It's not our heads that our buried in an underground bunker trying to hide from the truth, it's yours. Are you really only able to justify your blindness by claiming everyone who disagrees with you is a nutcase?

My friend, if your world view can only be sustained by assuming everyone who feels different than you is a nutcase, then you need to re-examine your world view.

[The emperor has no clothes]

LOL, if you wanted to "stir the pot" this forum is the place to post that.  personally, I think it's just extreme right propaganda that "they" want to take away everyone guns.  I say this as a moderate that has guns.

I have to say. Either you know you are wrong and you just like to keep stirring the pot or your head is so deep in sand that you haven't seen the sun in years. It's not our heads that our buried in an underground bunker trying to hide from the truth, it's yours. Are you really only able to justify your blindness by claiming everyone who disagrees with you is a nutcase?

My friend, if your world view can only be sustained by assuming everyone who feels different than you is a nutcase, then you need to re-examine your world view.

I don't remember him saying that everyone else was a nutcase. But you must admit the absurdity of the people who drove up the price of guns and ammo weeks after Obama was elected. Only to keep saying he was going to come get your guns day after day for 7 years. 

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

LOL, if you wanted to "stir the pot" this forum is the place to post that.  personally, I think it's just extreme right propaganda that "they" want to take away everyone guns.  I say this as a moderate that has guns.

I have to say. Either you know you are wrong and you just like to keep stirring the pot or your head is so deep in sand that you haven't seen the sun in years. It's not our heads that our buried in an underground bunker trying to hide from the truth, it's yours. Are you really only able to justify your blindness by claiming everyone who disagrees with you is a nutcase?

My friend, if your world view can only be sustained by assuming everyone who feels different than you is a nutcase, then you need to re-examine your world view.

I don't remember him saying that everyone else was a nutcase. But you must admit the absurdity of the people who drove up the price of guns and ammo weeks after Obama was elected. Only to keep saying he was going to come get your guns day after day for 7 years. 

I think the fact that the American people are twice as well armed now as they were when he took office is a wonderful act of defiance on the part of the average citizen.

It makes me proud that when citizens were victimized by a politician who claimed he didn't want to take our firearms when he ran for office but then tried everything he could think of to do so after he was elected, the American people responded by going on the largest guns and ammo shopping spree the world has ever known. It makes me proud that the average citizen still has enough love of freedom to resist with their votes and their pocket books. Unavailability of ammo and many firearms is but a symptom of the rightful distrust citizens have for one who lies to attain a position of power from which he can continuously try to trample on their rights.

And the best thing about it is that this generation and our descendants are going to be much better armed and much less trusting than we were before this president betrayed us. And, a well armed society makes us all safer.

[baldo]

LOL, if you wanted to "stir the pot" this forum is the place to post that.  personally, I think it's just extreme right propaganda that "they" want to take away everyone guns.  I say this as a moderate that has guns.

I have to say. Either you know you are wrong and you just like to keep stirring the pot or your head is so deep in sand that you haven't seen the sun in years. It's not our heads that our buried in an underground bunker trying to hide from the truth, it's yours. Are you really only able to justify your blindness by claiming everyone who disagrees with you is a nutcase?

My friend, if your world view can only be sustained by assuming everyone who feels different than you is a nutcase, then you need to re-examine your world view.

I don't remember him saying that everyone else was a nutcase. But you must admit the absurdity of the people who drove up the price of guns and ammo weeks after Obama was elected. Only to keep saying he was going to come get your guns day after day for 7 years. 

I think the fact that the American people are twice as well armed now as they were when he took office is a wonderful act of defiance on the part of the average citizen.

It makes me proud that when citizens were victimized by a politician who claimed he didn't want to take our firearms when he ran for office but then tried everything he could think of to do so after he was elected, the American people responded by going on the largest guns and ammo shopping spree the world has ever known. It makes me proud that the average citizen still has enough love of freedom to resist with their votes and their pocket books. Unavailability of ammo and many firearms is but a symptom of the rightful distrust citizens have for one who lies to attain a position of power from which he can continuously try to trample on their rights.

And the best thing about it is that this generation and our descendants are going to be much better armed and much less trusting than we were before this president betrayed us. And, a well armed society makes us all safer.

If it all makes you feel safer in your bed at night, more power to you....I guess we'll just have to see  who the 'nutcase' is, won't we? And like MH said, I didn't call anyone here a nutcase, you're just very  sensitive tonight...

Here's another one for you....

[Gavin_Sons]

LOL, if you wanted to "stir the pot" this forum is the place to post that.  personally, I think it's just extreme right propaganda that "they" want to take away everyone guns.  I say this as a moderate that has guns.

I have to say. Either you know you are wrong and you just like to keep stirring the pot or your head is so deep in sand that you haven't seen the sun in years. It's not our heads that our buried in an underground bunker trying to hide from the truth, it's yours. Are you really only able to justify your blindness by claiming everyone who disagrees with you is a nutcase?

My friend, if your world view can only be sustained by assuming everyone who feels different than you is a nutcase, then you need to re-examine your world view.

I don't remember him saying that everyone else was a nutcase. But you must admit the absurdity of the people who drove up the price of guns and ammo weeks after Obama was elected. Only to keep saying he was going to come get your guns day after day for 7 years. 

I think the fact that the American people are twice as well armed now as they were when he took office is a wonderful act of defiance on the part of the average citizen.

It makes me proud that when citizens were victimized by a politician who claimed he didn't want to take our firearms when he ran for office but then tried everything he could think of to do so after he was elected, the American people responded by going on the largest guns and ammo shopping spree the world has ever known. It makes me proud that the average citizen still has enough love of freedom to resist with their votes and their pocket books. Unavailability of ammo and many firearms is but a symptom of the rightful distrust citizens have for one who lies to attain a position of power from which he can continuously try to trample on their rights.

And the best thing about it is that this generation and our descendants are going to be much better armed and much less trusting than we were before this president betrayed us. And, a well armed society makes us all safer.

Before anyone else gets to it," you crazy white boy, you're paranoid beyond belief"! 

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

LOL, if you wanted to "stir the pot" this forum is the place to post that.  personally, I think it's just extreme right propaganda that "they" want to take away everyone guns.  I say this as a moderate that has guns.

I have to say. Either you know you are wrong and you just like to keep stirring the pot or your head is so deep in sand that you haven't seen the sun in years. It's not our heads that our buried in an underground bunker trying to hide from the truth, it's yours. Are you really only able to justify your blindness by claiming everyone who disagrees with you is a nutcase?

My friend, if your world view can only be sustained by assuming everyone who feels different than you is a nutcase, then you need to re-examine your world view.

I don't remember him saying that everyone else was a nutcase. But you must admit the absurdity of the people who drove up the price of guns and ammo weeks after Obama was elected. Only to keep saying he was going to come get your guns day after day for 7 years. 

I think the fact that the American people are twice as well armed now as they were when he took office is a wonderful act of defiance on the part of the average citizen.

It makes me proud that when citizens were victimized by a politician who claimed he didn't want to take our firearms when he ran for office but then tried everything he could think of to do so after he was elected, the American people responded by going on the largest guns and ammo shopping spree the world has ever known. It makes me proud that the average citizen still has enough love of freedom to resist with their votes and their pocket books. Unavailability of ammo and many firearms is but a symptom of the rightful distrust citizens have for one who lies to attain a position of power from which he can continuously try to trample on their rights.

And the best thing about it is that this generation and our descendants are going to be much better armed and much less trusting than we were before this president betrayed us. And, a well armed society makes us all safer.

Before anyone else gets to it," you crazy white boy, you're paranoid beyond belief"! 

Why thank you! I'm feeling especially sensitive today down here in my bunker, or foxhole or whatever it's supposed to be.    Or is this the emocon I'm supposed to use?

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/obama-had-strong-words-gun-201410483.html

Now - I'll grant there are other reasons to  not like Hillary, or Trump as well (my choice today would be "none of the above" ) , but gun issues are not a make/break.

Perhaps instead of going by what he/she "says" you would have a better chance of convincing us by listing their pro 2nd Amendment judicial appointments?

The pro 2nd Amendment bills they have authored?

The times they have publicly stood up for the right to own the firearms of your choice?

The times they have stood up for the right of common working people to "keep and bear arms"?

Show us those things, not just his lies.

And by the way, I don't hate or wish either one of them ill, I just wish them "out of our government and out of our lives".

[Robert]

So Baldo why do you think the gun issue is on the presidents mind and pressing him?

[mike72903]

Not sure the comment was directed at me but don't  think I called anyone a nutcase :angel.

[baldo]

So Baldo why do you think the gun issue is on the presidents mind and pressing him?

??? I don't think it's on his mind like you think it is. If you're referring to the meme, that's just what it is, a meme....

[Pappy!]

LOL, if you wanted to "stir the pot" this forum is the place to post that.  personally, I think it's just extreme right propaganda that "they" want to take away everyone guns.  I say this as a moderate that has guns.

I will take that photo and raise you one.......



Typical liberal Hillary voter.

[baldo]

Ouch....... I saw that one before, but it was Trump....

[Jess from VA]

It's certainly clear to any who would study the issue that a large portion of our radical left does not like the gun freedom we have in this country, esp since SCOTUS twice ruled what we all already knew was the truth; namely that the 2d A confers an individual right to keep and bear arms (with some narrow exceptions, like felons).  Not some horsesh!t collective right, or only for national guard members, or only if we are called up as a national militia.  Just a personal, individual liberty.... just like each and every one of the other bill of rights.... how hard is that to figure out, really????

It's also crystal clear that the left cannot unilaterally abrogate the 2d A, or somehow quickly make sweeping changes to types, styles, calibers, and/or capacities of certain weapons that may lawfully be owned (and thus banned).  Even a leftist (or anti 2d A) SCOTUS appointment or two cannot remove the 2d A; but they can reverse the individual liberty ruling, and start the ball more easily rolling on what has already been their plan for a half century.  

Which is to try every conceivable method to limit gun ownership and use to the free citizens of this country by:  Licensing and registration, banning magazine capacity and so called assault rifles and other firearms, limiting sales to one a month, widely limiting concealed carry permits, limiting imports, saying lead bullets contaminate the planet, put all lead smelters out of business, changing the rules on Federal Firearm licenses making half give them up voluntarily, unbelievably onerous record keeping/inventory management on those who do have FFLs, volumes of arcane and conflicting regulations governing firearms manufacture/modification with severe penalties for technical violations with no criminal intent, shutting down shooting ranges for environmental reasons, defunding CMP, using the public school system to institutionalize the idea that all firearms are bad and to be feared, adding onerous taxes to guns and ammo, banning all gun stores within the city limits, creating a non-existant gun show loophole, attempt to outright prohibit all private sales without federal paperwork, keep records longer than they are allowed by law, create a national gun registry, spending millions of our dollars to fund CDC and other leftist organizations to produce anti-gun propaganda, dispossess old veterans of their rights with no due process, get your doctor and health insurer to report your gun possession/ownership into record systems, and the list goes on and on.  You judge people on what they do, not what they say, and they have been doing every thing they can get away with for years and years (they've also been beaten in court on 2d A and other grounds, many, many times).

Because they know they cannot get away with any sweeping changes quickly (and they know it will take hard and dedicated work for decades to get the kind of prohibitions they would really like to have), the anti-gun politicians all like to sit behind the podium on TV and smugly say they support the 2d A (as they interpret it), that they don't want all the guns (just some), and that no one is coming to your home to take them (this year), so everyone should just relax and stop worrying about it.  But they are liars.  

If they could do it tomorrow (and get away with it), they would take them all, or all those that offer any practical defense (or offense) against a police/military opposition (this is what they really hate) (and this is exactly why the 2d A was written; all power is to rest in the people, not the G).  So they will always give platitudes and say what they think you want to hear, and try to put you to sleep, so they can keep up the continuous nickel and dime attacks around the edges (only on the law abiding), where ever and whenever they can push them through.  They're in it for the long haul (so lying today is easy).  Those among them who hold office are also in violation of their oaths of office to support and defend the whole Constitution, not just the parts they agree with.

If you think this is some conspiracy theory, well yes it is.  A conspiracy to violate the (undebatable) constitutional rights of the entire (law abiding) citizenry of the US.  A conspiracy that an independent US Justice Department could easily prove in a court of law.  The evidence is plentiful, and the co-conspirators are many.

We already have some thousands of state and federal gun laws (many of which are not even used against our most violent, repeat felons).  There is not one more COMMON SENSE law to add.  And we should never relax and stop worrying about it, and we should never give them one single inch on one single issue.... ever.  We've already compromised away much of our firearms freedom (National Firearms Act (NFA) of 1934, Gun Control Act of 1968, and others)..... there is no more to give.

[I actually do have an open mind, and if someone has a good idea for a gun law to be used against criminals, not law abiding citizens, I'm ready to consider it.  It's just that for 30 years or so, I haven't ever actually seen one (beyond those already long in existence).]  

[solo1]

I see what I consider an AWFUL LOT of right wing conspiracy nuts posts around here -  so I do I agree with you on this point.
Quote by Scooperhsd.

Hmmmm.  I guess that "around here" is rather vague , maybe you should've said an AWFUL LOT of right wing conspiracy nut posts  on this forum.,  Scooperhsd.

Yep, you gave yourself an out.  Typical!

[Robert]

So Baldo why do you think the gun issue is on the presidents mind and pressing him?

??? I don't think it's on his mind like you think it is. If you're referring to the meme, that's just what it is, a meme....

Its enough on his mind to spark a national debate on guns laws to make executive orders concerning guns and pleading for more laws against guns. It has nothing to do with the pic you posted.

So my question stands why do you think he is so concerned with the guns?


Jess from VA good post

[baldo]

So Baldo why do you think the gun issue is on the presidents mind and pressing him?

??? I don't think it's on his mind like you think it is. If you're referring to the meme, that's just what it is, a meme....

Its enough on his mind to spark a national debate on guns laws to make executive orders concerning guns and pleading for more laws against guns. It has nothing to do with the pic you posted.

So my question stands why do you think he is so concerned with the guns?


Jess from VA good post

I think it's the workplace and school shootings like Sandy Hook and Columbine and the countless others in the last several years that has 'sparked' his interest. I'm not privy to his thoughts, but that would be my guess. You know, since he is the President and all. It's his job.

I really don't know what you want from me for an answer. 

[Patrick]

LOL, if you wanted to "stir the pot" this forum is the place to post that.  personally, I think it's just extreme right propaganda that "they" want to take away everyone guns.  I say this as a moderate that has guns.

I will take that photo and raise you one.......



Typical liberal Hillary voter.

I wonder if they are all facing east.

[baldo]

LOL, if you wanted to "stir the pot" this forum is the place to post that.  personally, I think it's just extreme right propaganda that "they" want to take away everyone guns.  I say this as a moderate that has guns.

I will take that photo and raise you one.......



Typical liberal Hillary voter.

I wonder if they are all facing east.

Ouch!....A double entendre ....you overachiever you....

[Pappy!]

Anything for you! 

[Oss]

There is no objective standard for "Common Sense"   

Perhaps we can agree however that Opinions are like buttholes, each person has at least one

We can also agree that Some people just dont like other people doing things that they do not do, or care to do and some people offend more easily than others

We can also note that Some people like to get personal immediately on any perceived slight against their own "world" view

I propose a moratorium on this crap starting Sunday and ending Friday

Of course its application will depend on common sense     


Oss

[The emperor has no clothes]

There is no objective standard for "Common Sense"   

Perhaps we can agree however that Opinions are like buttholes, each person has at least one

We can also agree that Some people just dont like other people doing things that they do not do, or care to do and some people offend more easily than others

We can also note that Some people like to get personal immediately on any perceived slight against their own "world" view

I propose a moratorium on this crap starting Sunday and ending Friday

Of course its application will depend on common sense     


Oss

Oss, I second the motion. 

[Jess from VA]

So Baldo why do you think the gun issue is on the presidents mind and pressing him?

??? I don't think it's on his mind like you think it is. If you're referring to the meme, that's just what it is, a meme....

Its enough on his mind to spark a national debate on guns laws to make executive orders concerning guns and pleading for more laws against guns. It has nothing to do with the pic you posted.

So my question stands why do you think he is so concerned with the guns?


Jess from VA good post

The lefties know this issue is an election looser for them almost everywhere, yet they continue to bang the drum and whine about common sense encroachments (on only) law abiding citizens, and nickel and dime us on every front.  This proves it IS important to them and they will not give up.  It is important to them because their view is the G MUST have all of the power, and the people are sheep to be herded,  heavily taxed, controlled and pushed this way and that, at the will and whim of our ruling class politicians.  They do not want an armed populace which is able to stand up and fight them, hunt them, and eradicate them if that becomes necessary.  Of course, they are all moral cowards and would intend to use the police and military against us.  But if they do that, we will have no problem finding them. 
It has nothing whatsoever to do with crime control.

Thank you Robert.  

[MP]

So Baldo why do you think the gun issue is on the presidents mind and pressing him?

??? I don't think it's on his mind like you think it is. If you're referring to the meme, that's just what it is, a meme....

Its enough on his mind to spark a national debate on guns laws to make executive orders concerning guns and pleading for more laws against guns. It has nothing to do with the pic you posted.

So my question stands why do you think he is so concerned with the guns?


Jess from VA good post

I think it's the workplace and school shootings like Sandy Hook and Columbine and the countless others in the last several years that has 'sparked' his interest. I'm not privy to his thoughts, but that would be my guess. You know, since he is the President and all. It's his job.

I really don't know what you want from me for an answer. 

I, and others I believe, would like the anti gunners, to propose something that will actually WORK!  Keeping guns from being used by bad people, without affecting the rights of good citizens to exercise their rights.

I have proposed much stiffer mandatory sentencing for perps who have a gun during a crime.  Hard to see that passing, because the left is hellbent on releasing many criminals, some of them violent.

I have proposed making straw purchasers subject to a very long time in jail.  But, in anti gun states that now have these laws, the dems in power have prosecuted almost nobody.  Why?

I am proposing making the use, having, or providing a gun to be used, or in hand, during a crime a LOT stiffer penalty, so that it might actually deter crime.  The same with straw purchases.  10 years in prison per gun sold to a bad guy.  And ENFORCED.

But, I have been told by a number of antis that NONE of these actually have a chance to pass.  They want controls on regular gun people, not the criminals.

So, what do YOU propose be done to cut crime with guns?  I have put out my proposals, I would like to see yours.  Please do not post the tired, old things that have proven over and over NOT to deter criminals from using guns. Thank you.