50 Shot dead in Orlando nightclub and dozens injured

[..]

If Trump were President already this probably wouldn't have happened.  So it really is the Obama administrations fault.

How can I say that...because the parents are immigrants from Afghanistan and have ties to terrorism.  Trump would have booted them a long time ago.  The shooter was under FBI investigation twice, they knew he supported ISIS.  Trump would not have looked the other way.

This administration has a problem with holding a Muslim responsible for their actions if they can get away with looking the other way they will and do.

Idle thought.

How many of these kind of Islamic mass murders were there during Bush's 8 years compared to Obama's?

[The emperor has no clothes]

Dividing ourselves up will only weaken us. And make it harder to annihilate them.

[signart]

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/06/12/orlando-nightclub-shooting/

As tragic as it is, "America's worst mass shooting" should not be the headline. Not even close.

Could they be meaning by one person?

I think they mean because it was murder of certain group of people AND the fact that they were killed by an "assault rifle" makes it more tragic than the lives of others, in their view.

[signart]

After Linclon's war. Worse mass shooting in the U.S. since that war.
Innocent men, women, children in their mothers arms. Little kids lured out of hiding with the promise of being spared, then killed mercilessly.

No doubt about it. "War is Hell"  

Not talking about any war, mass murder. Worst senseless shooting and mass murder in U.S history. Today's tragedy is not it, not by a long shot. The news media just want to make news instead by reporting it as the worst ever was.

Well maybe. But I think you are arguing semantics. Massacre by Government forces vs. a mass killing by individuals. There is not much sense in either, but I doubt there is a concerted effort by the media to make news. It's big enough news already.

You just made my point. How then, does this not make "The worst mass shooting in U.S. history"? Wounded Knee Massacre was not war.
Government forces shooting and killing mothers nursing infants at close range. (I know killing babies is not that big of a deal nowadays, but if you get caught flirting with a woman, could result in some jail time.) Chasing unarmed escapees of the slaughter for miles to shoot them mercilessly. Luring children out of hiding with the promise of safety, then slaughtering them. No excuse, no comparison.
Being killed by a muslim doesn't make it worse, neither does being a murdered homosexual make it worse.

There were survivors of this massacre still alive in this country in the 1950's and '60's, and probably into the '70's.

[The emperor has no clothes]

You get no argument from me. It was terrible. I just think you are getting wrapped up in the semantics of the phrase "Mass Shooting"

[signart]

You get no argument from me. It was terrible. I just think you are getting wrapped up in the semantics of the phrase "Mass Shooting"

No, you have it backwards. Or, backwards from me.
Every reference in the media says "Worst mass shooting in U.S. history"
Maybe you can tell me why they emphasize that in every headline, and why that matters so much.

[The emperor has no clothes]

You get no argument from me. It was terrible. I just think you are getting wrapped up in the semantics of the phrase "Mass Shooting"

No, you have it backwards. Or, backwards from me.
Every reference in the media says "Worst mass shooting in U.S. history"
Maybe you can tell me why they emphasize that in every headline, and why that matters so much.

I'm not a journalist or a purveyor of words but I would guess to them there is a distinction of an individual doing the killing and an armed force doing the killing. Would you not agree it doesn't make much difference ?

[signart]

You get no argument from me. It was terrible. I just think you are getting wrapped up in the semantics of the phrase "Mass Shooting"

No, you have it backwards. Or, backwards from me.
Every reference in the media says "Worst mass shooting in U.S. history"
Maybe you can tell me why they emphasize that in every headline, and why that matters so much.

I'm not a journalist or a purveyor of words but I would guess to them there is a distinction of an individual doing the killing and an armed force doing the killing. Would you not agree it doesn't make much difference ?

I just think they have an agenda, instead of just facts. I'm taking note of it and pointing it out.
I'll stand down for now and also point out you're all right to debate with.

[Chrisj CMA]

You get no argument from me. It was terrible. I just think you are getting wrapped up in the semantics of the phrase "Mass Shooting"

No, you have it backwards. Or, backwards from me.
Every reference in the media says "Worst mass shooting in U.S. history"
Maybe you can tell me why they emphasize that in every headline, and why that matters so much.

I'm not a journalist or a purveyor of words but I would guess to them there is a distinction of an individual doing the killing and an armed force doing the killing. Would you not agree it doesn't make much difference ?

I just think they have an agenda, instead of just facts. I'm taking note of it and pointing it out.
I'll stand down for now and also point out you're all right to debate with.

Absolutely, the agenda is to vilify guns and get far away from the FACT that the shooter was a radical muslim.  Instead of banning guns, Im with Trump...lets ban radical muslims instead.  And don't tell me we cant tell who is one, we knew about this family but political correctness and the Obominations of leadership in this administration have brought us to the place where we just look the other way so as not to offend a muslim.

[The emperor has no clothes]

You get no argument from me. It was terrible. I just think you are getting wrapped up in the semantics of the phrase "Mass Shooting"

No, you have it backwards. Or, backwards from me.
Every reference in the media says "Worst mass shooting in U.S. history"
Maybe you can tell me why they emphasize that in every headline, and why that matters so much.

I'm not a journalist or a purveyor of words but I would guess to them there is a distinction of an individual doing the killing and an armed force doing the killing. Would you not agree it doesn't make much difference ?

I just think they have an agenda, instead of just facts. I'm taking note of it and pointing it out.
I'll stand down for now and also point out you're all right to debate with.

[DarkSideR]

Obama says "We don't yet know the motivations' of the terrorist who pledged allegiance to ISIS". He dub'd it "Homegrown Extremism". Which I'm sure was only stated to discredit Trump, and help Hilary. Who cares what the "Real" issues are with there is a run for the president going on. #trumpwasrighton

***http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=659_1465834548***

[Patrick]

I'd like to know how many folks today know about Wounded Knee. I'm thinking the percentage would be single digits. That would include 'journalists' I think.

[signart]

I'd like to know how many folks today know about Wounded Knee. I'm thinking the percentage would be single digits. That would include 'journalists' I think.

Would not serve their agenda to acknowledge anything worse than killing potential supporters of liberalism with a semi-automatic weapon. That is why they were identified and labeled by sexual preference and slaughtered in place that caters to and is frequented by such.
They are searching for some unknowned cause that triggered the actions of this diverse young American. We all know diversity is our strength

 

[The emperor has no clothes]

I'd like to know how many folks today know about Wounded Knee. I'm thinking the percentage would be single digits. That would include 'journalists' I think.

Would not serve their agenda to acknowledge anything worse than killing potential supporters of liberalism with a semi-automatic weapon. That is why they were identified and labeled by sexual preference and slaughtered in place that caters to and is frequented by such.
They are searching for some unknowned cause that triggered the actions of this diverse young American. We all know diversity is our strength
 

If it was a Strip club full of Hell's Angels don't you think they would have reported that ?

[cookiedough]

So he has a problem with gays, selects a target group supposedly far from his home, 150 miles according to one report, scouts it out, and attacks a group situation where he know he is likely to find sheepels who will respond with the same predictable behavior as a real herd of sheep. A previous post indicated by the attachment that he had come to the feds attention in two consecutive years.  It appears that this was not enough to be grounds to put him on a denial list for purchase  of firearms.  He had to have made comments on some obscure or not so obscure radically connected website that should have caused this.  I wonder when he purchased the arms used in this crime.  Something smells foul about this whole situation.  Why was he not on a watch list?  These situations occur  far too often, and then there is outcry from those with a clearly stated agenda.  I will now be on a list because I suspect there is something more to this story associated with a stated goal to forward the wishes of the new order.  What happened in Orlando was murder, pure and simple.  Omission  of follow up of any previously recorded concerns is complicity by omission.  It will be interesting to see what will be brought out of this outrage.  

well said,  why in the world since he was investigated by the FBI twice a few years later was he NOT allowed to purchase firearms after the investigations.  It seems our laws are not strict enough, especially for Muslims and ISIS supporters, to NOT EVER allow gun sales to them already investigated prior.  PLus,  his ex-wife stated he was abusive and violent tendencies and am sure if the FBI did their job,  they would have talked to the ex-wife am sure about his evil ways.

Once again our system failed and until our govt. wakes the F up, it will happen again and again.  Maybe if 1-2 of the people in the night club were armed,  maybe 20-30 people might have been spared their lives? 

[Roadog]

After Linclon's war. Worse mass shooting in the U.S. since that war.
Innocent men, women, children in their mothers arms. Little kids lured out of hiding with the promise of being spared, then killed mercilessly.

No doubt about it. "War is Hell"  

Not talking about any war, mass murder. Worst senseless shooting and mass murder in U.S history. Today's tragedy is not it, not by a long shot. The news media just want to make news instead by reporting it as the worst ever was.

Well maybe. But I think you are arguing semantics. Massacre by Government forces vs. a mass killing by individuals. There is not much sense in either, but I doubt there is a concerted effort by the media to make news. It's big enough news already.

You just made my point. How then, does this not make "The worst mass shooting in U.S. history"? Wounded Knee Massacre was not war.
Government forces shooting and killing mothers nursing infants at close range. (I know killing babies is not that big of a deal nowadays, but if you get caught flirting with a woman, could result in some jail time.) Chasing unarmed escapees of the slaughter for miles to shoot them mercilessly. Luring children out of hiding with the promise of safety, then slaughtering them. No excuse, no comparison.
Being killed by a muslim doesn't make it worse, neither does being a murdered homosexual make it worse.

There were survivors of this massacre still alive in this country in the 1950's and '60's, and probably into the '70's.


Honestly I thought you might be talking about planned parenthood. They murder just about 350,000  innocents a year.

Roadog

[Patrick]

Honestly I thought you might be talking about planned parenthood . They Murder about 350,000 innocents a year.   

Roadog
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yep.

[signart]

I'd like to know how many folks today know about Wounded Knee. I'm thinking the percentage would be single digits. That would include 'journalists' I think.

Would not serve their agenda to acknowledge anything worse than killing potential supporters of liberalism with a semi-automatic weapon. That is why they were identified and labeled by sexual preference and slaughtered in place that caters to and is frequented by such.
They are searching for some unknowned cause that triggered the actions of this diverse young American. We all know diversity is our strength :crazy2:If it was a Strip Club full of Hell's Angels don't you think they would have reported that ?

 

Wouldn't be reported as the "Worst mass shooting in U.S. history".
Most likely be reported as the "Craziest muslim in U.S. history"!

[signart]

Honestly I thought you might be talking about planned parenthood . They Murder about 350,000 innocents a year.  

Roadog
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yep.

That would just be asking for too much.
Not to diminish those, but we're talking mass shootings.

[Grumpy]

It has been released that when Omar Mateen was in high school, the class was watching the attack on the twin towers in New York, all of the class was shocked at what was happening. Omar started jumping around and cheering for the terrorist, he said America was getting what it deserved. After acting like this, our FBI seen fit to issue this creep a license to carry a gun.  I firmly believe Washington is complexly staffed with idiots.  Here is a link to the article.

 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/06/13/on-911-omar-mateens-classmates-mourned-some-say-he-celebrated/?utm_term=.a7e6fd7d6875

[Gavin_Sons]

If he would have jumped for joy in my school his head would have been beat into the concrete. The government is the problem, the government is why this keeps happening. Then they want to blame guns. Blaming a gun for murders is like blaming a car for a drunk driver who kills innocent people. It just doesn't make any sense to me. Both take an operator and a choice. Neither will kill anyone on their own.

[fudgie]

Wounded Knee Massacre, 1890. All should read about it, study it, and think about it.
20 Federal soldiers awarded medals for it.

Don't forget the Sand Creek massacre. 

[Serk]

Wounded Knee Massacre, 1890. All should read about it, study it, and think about it.
20 Federal soldiers awarded medals for it.

Don't forget the Sand Creek massacre. 

If we're gonna mention other massacres in US history, how about Waco 1993...

[..]

If he would have jumped for joy in my school his head would have been beat into the concrete. The government is the problem, the government is why this keeps happening. Then they want to blame guns. Blaming a gun for murders is like blaming a car for a drunk driver who kills innocent people. It just doesn't make any sense to me. Both take an operator and a choice. Neither will kill anyone on their own.

But,  but, but we can't racial/religion profile cause it might hurt someone's feelings. Those who support this philosophy are in part to blame for the Islamic terrorist murders and should accept some of the guilt.

Those who refuse to place blame, like Fort Hood, are  in part to blame for the Islamic terrorist murders and should accept some of the guilt.

But they wont even have the decency to admit to themselves that they are part of the problem.

Spineless scum.

[signart]

Wounded Knee Massacre, 1890. All should read about it, study it, and think about it.
20 Federal soldiers awarded medals for it.

Don't forget the Sand Creek massacre. 

If we're gonna mention other massacres in US history, how about Waco 1993...

Yes, Sand Creek, and sadly others.

Waco, tragic indeed, but "Worst Shooting in U.S. History"? Not Waco, not Orlando.

[cookiedough]

not to change subject too much, but maybe if Trump is elected, besides a wall border with Mexico, refuse all muslim's into the U.S.?

Problem there is there are too many of them in the states already unless all with ISIS investigations immediately gets exiled OUT of this country. 

And before anyone on here who is Muslim rips me,  I am sure there are good folk Muslims, but what are we gonna do? 

[Grumpy]

One thing about it, the more Muslims they let in the more ammo I stock up.  If they start some crap around me, I will take a few with me.

[Sasha47VSSS]

Too much freedom kills Freedom!
When you hesitate to took right measures, when you are too concerned about others freedom, it  inevitably get to your freedom being reduced.
In Western Europe many NGA (Non-Governmental Agencies) fights against lingustic and religious traditions so fiercely that it is a shame to declare yourself as White or Catholic because you are immediately treated as fascist, nationalist or extremist. The problem is that we just want to live as we lived!
I've lived abroad and always complied with the rules and uses. It never came to my mind to ask for a catholic church to be built! Here is just the contrary!
Immigration is enormous, people escape war zones in Syria, Iraq, Afganistan and others. They all cames to Europe. I'm surprised to learn that no one goes to their "brothers" in Saudi Arabia, Emirates or Qatar!

[Daycruiser]

One of the news outlets reported that this guy was a known problem at his employer but the company he worked for wouldn't fire him because he was a Muslim.  I believe that, my employer would not either, he could sit in a hallway all day and spit on people as they walked by and they wouldn't fire him because they don't want to be labeled as discriminatory against Muslims.  Conversely a white christian guy would be out the door in a hot second for not wearing his tie straight.  These people are now entrenched in the US as part of the "Protected Class" so they now have rights many us do not. I don't see it getting better.

[Chrisj CMA]

One thing about it, the more Muslims they let in the more ammo I stock up.  If they start some crap around me, I will take a few with me.

Microchips that allow terrorists to speak to God.  I love it

[Robert]

Why is this not labeled a hate crime since its a Muslim and gays?

[Gavin_Sons]

Too much freedom kills Freedom!
When you hesitate to took right measures, when you are too concerned about others freedom, it  inevitably get to your freedom being reduced.
In Western Europe many NGA (Non-Governmental Agencies) fights against lingustic and religious traditions so fiercely that it is a shame to declare yourself as White or Catholic because you are immediately treated as fascist, nationalist or extremist. The problem is that we just want to live as we lived!
I've lived abroad and always complied with the rules and uses. It never came to my mind to ask for a catholic church to be built! Here is just the contrary!
Immigration is enormous, people escape war zones in Syria, Iraq, Afganistan and others. They all cames to Europe. I'm surprised to learn that no one goes to their "brothers" in Saudi Arabia, Emirates or Qatar!

You're wrong. Too much Government kills freedom. Too much freedom? no such thing

[Chrisj CMA]

Why is this not labeled a hate crime since its a Muslim and gays?

That might offend the muslims

[The emperor has no clothes]

Why is this not labeled a hate crime since its a Muslim and gays?

http://www.thenation.com/article/orlando-is-a-hate-crime-no-matter-what-donald-trump-says/
Looks like the left has no problem.

[Serk]

One of the news outlets reported that this guy was a known problem at his employer but the company he worked for wouldn't fire him because he was a Muslim.  I believe that, my employer would not either, he could sit in a hallway all day and spit on people as they walked by and they wouldn't fire him because they don't want to be labeled as discriminatory against Muslims.  Conversely a white christian guy would be out the door in a hot second for not wearing his tie straight.  These people are now entrenched in the US as part of the "Protected Class" so they now have rights many us do not. I don't see it getting better.

[..]

From the linked article

 As a straight white Catholic woman, I’ve been given so much privilege and comfort in spaces that aren’t “mine.”

Typical dem/lib/prog psych babble to make us all "FEEL" bad. What a crock of horse $hit.

[signart]

One thing about it, the more Muslims they let in the more ammo I stock up.  If they start some crap around me, I will take a few with me.

Microchips that allow terrorists to speak to God.  I love it

Some of the home brew in my stash. Loaded with Bacon Bits.

[..]

Why is this not labeled a hate crime since its a Muslim and gays?

Now we have to prioritize crimes according to our own religious/personal/political yadder yadder yadder beliefs.

What a crock of $crap.

The self professed ISIS murdering bastard killed 49 people. Simple as that.

Who gives a flying f if they were pink, spotted, gay, Baptist or from f'in Venus. He slaughtered them.

We have to keep focused and not let the pols and talking heads on ALL sides distract from the fact that the Muslim killed the Americans of what ever religion, creed, race they were. They were AMERICANS.

[..]

One thing about it, the more Muslims they let in the more ammo I stock up.  If they start some crap around me, I will take a few with me.

Microchips that allow terrorists to speak to God.  I love it

Some of the home brew in my stash. Loaded with Bacon Bits.

Wonder if that works like silver on werewolves?

[Mobile Mayor]

According to one news report, he did in fact use a gay website to help determine his target, and he did visit the club to scout it before returning for the massacre.  For what it's worth.