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« on: July 06, 2016, 12:42:53 PM » |
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I've had some conversation with some of the other VRCC staff. I believe I have their support.
This is a general message board. There are no particular subjects that are out of bounds. I have read over the Rules of the Road and I interpret them to say that communication needs to be respectful.
We have members who frequent this board with views pretty well across the entire political and social spectrum. We have for some time endured bashing posts from both extremes. It's unacceptable.
Political discussion is fine. Posts that appear to have a primary purpose of ridiculing those who disagree are not acceptable.
Some time back there was a post made encouraging members to report posts they found offensive. It didn't work as well as we had hoped it would. Rather than report posts a lot of members simply stopped coming to the board.
Beginning today I will be removing posts that appear to have a primary purpose of ridiculing or demeaning those who disagree.
I've been told that may bring the level of participation to a crawl such as happens with some other boards. I do hope not. We carry on good civil conversations with one another in person. Let's try to do the same here.
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« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2016, 01:41:51 PM » |
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Yeah, just don't call me a moron, I've never been to Salt Lake City.  I have to agree with Willow's approach, it gets quite petty on here at times(understated).  |
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« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2016, 01:49:14 PM » |
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I have mixed views on this
Freedom of speech begins with " pet " names
Offended? So what...... Get over it.....just me
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« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2016, 01:56:19 PM » |
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I have mixed views on this
Freedom of speech begins with " pet " names
Offended? So what...... Get over it.....just me
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Willow
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« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2016, 02:04:07 PM » |
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I have mixed views on this
Freedom of speech begins with " pet " names
Offended? So what...... Get over it.....just me The U.S. government guarantees freedom of speech. The VRCC message boards do not. If one cannot live with that one can feel free to find someplace else. |
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« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2016, 02:04:30 PM » |
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I have mixed views on this
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Offended? So what...... Get over it.....just me
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« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2016, 02:08:39 PM » |
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As much as I agree with you, I guess it's just a sign of the times. Now days it seems that so many need their "Safe Spaces" that we are no longer allowed to speak freely because we might hurt somebody's feelings.
It's not about somebody's hurt feelings. It's about respectful behavior. If you were to come into my house and speak disrespectfully to me I would first ask you to leave and then I'd throw your ass out. I guess I should tell you that I speak more freely than likely anyone else you know but usually I try to do so with respect. Well, at least most of the time I do. |
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As much as I agree with you, I guess it's just a sign of the times. Now days it seems that so many need their "Safe Spaces" that we are no longer allowed to speak freely because we might hurt somebody's feelings.
It's not about somebody's hurt feelings. It's about respectful behavior. If you were to come into my house and speak disrespectfully to me I would first ask you to leave and then I'd throw your ass out. I guess I should tell you that I speak more freely than likely anyone else you know but usually I try to do so with respect. Well, at least most of the time I do. I can certainly understand if people begin name calling against those who they disagree with, but what I disagree with is that if I refer to Hillary Clinton as "The Hildabeast" that is now forbidden. While this may not be very flattering to her, it is in no way disrespectful to you or any other member on this site, but it's now forbidden because it's a "Pet Name". Really? That's just silly. |
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« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2016, 02:43:29 PM » |
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I am all for it. It will be interesting to see people try to get their point across without all the "extras". As far as pet names go, a rose by another name.....
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« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2016, 02:58:55 PM » |
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I used to get the same "flack" for just putting quotation marks around president when referring to Obama.
The woosification of Americans has even affected us bikers. It has become more important that no feelings get hurt or our site not be labeled a certain way.
I understand why Carl had to say what he said, it's not his fault, it's just sad that this is what it's become!
Everything was better when it wasn't OK to get offended over EVERYTHING!!!
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Seriously, I wish you good luck with that. That will be a challenging task.
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While i'll do my best ain't makin NO promises. I use the "pet" names cuz y'all don't cotton ta cursin and such like.  BUT when I speak of the current prezbo and the "female" runnin fer prezbo most of y'all KNOW what I are athinkin! And in signin off here-RATZ!  RIDE SAFE |
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« Reply #13 on: July 06, 2016, 03:35:00 PM » |
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Maybe it will now get back to more of a motorcycling site and we can talk about car tires or oil. |
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« Reply #14 on: July 06, 2016, 03:35:39 PM » |
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I used to get the same "flack" for just putting quotation marks around president when referring to Obama.
The woosification of Americans has even affected us bikers. It has become more important that no feelings get hurt or our site not be labeled a certain way.
I understand why Carl had to say what he said, it's not his fault, it's just sad that this is what it's become!
Everything was better when it wasn't OK to get offended over EVERYTHING!!!
Well said Chris Lets all keep in mind we have the rebel flag as our emblem. Some could easy be "offered" at that. Not me I put one on my vest. But just saying Yes Meathead I'm in Kingman, gonna pick up the keys to the New place in the morning Dsn |
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The VOA doesn't allow that sort of thing on their site either.
It's a real bee hive of activity over there now ain't it.
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This all sounds good to me. I'd like to see way more motorcycle stuff.
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This all sounds good to me.
Just remember that street runs both ways, in a few months you won't be able to refer to President Trump as "Captain Poopyhead"... |
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« Reply #19 on: July 06, 2016, 04:47:21 PM » |
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This all sounds good to me.
Just remember that street runs both ways, in a few months you won't be able to refer to President Trump as "Captain Poopyhead"... LOLOL....I don't think I have to worry much... |
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« Reply #20 on: July 06, 2016, 06:04:46 PM » |
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As much as I agree with you, I guess it's just a sign of the times. Now days it seems that so many need their "Safe Spaces" that we are no longer allowed to speak freely because we might hurt somebody's feelings.
It's not about somebody's hurt feelings. It's about respectful behavior. If you were to come into my house and speak disrespectfully to me I would first ask you to leave and then I'd throw your ass out. I guess I should tell you that I speak more freely than likely anyone else you know but usually I try to do so with respect. Well, at least most of the time I do. I can certainly understand if people begin name calling against those who they disagree with, but what I disagree with is that if I refer to Hillary Clinton as "The Hildabeast" that is now forbidden. While this may not be very flattering to her, it is in no way disrespectful to you or any other member on this site, but it's now forbidden because it's a "Pet Name". Really? That's just silly. I agree with you, non profane references to political hacks being forbidden is a step to far for the VRCC management group. It is unwarranted, and smacks of censorship without a valid reason on the general board. The old crap about my board my rules is a very poor excuse. Have some backbone and ban political discussions if that is what you really want to do. I have no problem with that but censorship, I do not play that game as it is always a LOSER. |
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« Reply #21 on: July 06, 2016, 06:10:05 PM » |
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I have it on good authority that " tasteful " secretary audition threads need not become an endangered species. Just a few more months till PMS hits and they will be getting 500 hits a day again Only will the gentleman from South Carolina and his alter ego kindly refrain from posting hairy speedo pics until after the election. Im very sensitive you know  Thank you Oss I think I already know where everyone stands politically, it will be interesting to see how this shakes out. MHO is that its their board and they can change the rules just like the FBI did yesterday. Just remember Newton's law. |
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« Reply #22 on: July 06, 2016, 06:12:41 PM » |
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As much as I agree with you, I guess it's just a sign of the times. Now days it seems that so many need their "Safe Spaces" that we are no longer allowed to speak freely because we might hurt somebody's feelings.
It's not about somebody's hurt feelings. It's about respectful behavior. If you were to come into my house and speak disrespectfully to me I would first ask you to leave and then I'd throw your ass out. I guess I should tell you that I speak more freely than likely anyone else you know but usually I try to do so with respect. Well, at least most of the time I do. I can certainly understand if people begin name calling against those who they disagree with, but what I disagree with is that if I refer to Hillary Clinton as "The Hildabeast" that is now forbidden. While this may not be very flattering to her, it is in no way disrespectful to you or any other member on this site, but it's now forbidden because it's a "Pet Name". Really? That's just silly. I agree with you, non profane references to political hacks being forbidden is a step to far for the VRCC management group. It is unwarranted, and smacks of censorship without a valid reason on the general board. The old crap about my board my rules is a very poor excuse. Have some backbone and ban political discussions if that is what you really want to do. I have no problem with that but censorship, I do not play that game as it is always a LOSER. Well said. I will be here less if I have to observe commentary censorship on behalf of our imperial president and his ilk who DESERVE and EARNED the coal-raking they have received here and elsewhere. |
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Im very sensitive you know Thank you Oss Oh, I for one have certainly noticed  Mark, "Political discussion is fine. Posts that appear to have a primary purpose of ridiculing those who disagree are not acceptable. Posts that refer to public figures by demeaning pet names when those public figures are known to be supported by some who frequent our board are not acceptable." And per your sig line, is your elevation really 2005 km? Thats pretty high even for Colorado.  |
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« Reply #24 on: July 06, 2016, 06:22:49 PM » |
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Carl, Does this mean I'm no longer a PITA or, I just won't be officially called one from now on.  Honestly, if the shoe fits, call it what it is IHMO but, I surely don't wish to step on any toes (although, I may do so without malicious intent. |
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« Reply #25 on: July 06, 2016, 06:27:49 PM » |
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Carl, Does this mean I'm no longer a PITA or, I just won't be officially called one from now on. ;)0 Honestly, if the shoe fits, call it what it is IHMO but, I surely don't wish to step on any toes (although, I may do so without malicious intent. No, you will always be a PITA |
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« Reply #26 on: July 06, 2016, 06:34:24 PM » |
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Carl, Does this mean I'm no longer a PITA or, I just won't be officially called one from now on. ;)0 Honestly, if the shoe fits, call it what it is IHMO but, I surely don't wish to step on any toes (although, I may do so without malicious intent. No, you will always be a PITA While I do appreciate support from the little people with their vote of confidence, it's not official unless there's a nomination by the powers that be. I refuse to be a "presumptive" PITA.  To be clear, I am not running for the office of PITA but, if elected will serve to the best of my abilities.  |
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Im very sensitive you know Thank you Oss Oh, I for one have certainly noticed Mark, "Political discussion is fine. Posts that appear to have a primary purpose of ridiculing those who disagree are not acceptable. Posts that refer to public figures by demeaning pet names when those public figures are known to be supported by some who frequent our board are not acceptable." And per your sig line, is your elevation really 2005 km? Thats pretty high even for Colorado. Yep, that high. You edited out the decimal. 6580ft = 2005m or 2.005km. I use the handle 2KmHighMark on some boards. Given the recent herbal rules promulgated by our "progressive" friends and californicator immigrants, it might have a dual meaning to some. Yet I assure you, I don't imbibe just because I can. I need every brain cell I have left, after a wayward youth and military adventures. Don't know if I can refer to our "progressive" lord-masters in anything but derogatory terms but maybe I can with clever wordsmithing. Have to dig out the thesaurus. |
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Im very sensitive you know Thank you Oss Oh, I for one have certainly noticed Mark, "Political discussion is fine. Posts that appear to have a primary purpose of ridiculing those who disagree are not acceptable. Posts that refer to public figures by demeaning pet names when those public figures are known to be supported by some who frequent our board are not acceptable." And per your sig line, is your elevation really 2005 km? Thats pretty high even for Colorado. Yep, that high. You edited out the decimal. 6580ft = 2005m or 2.005km. Don't know if I can refer to our "progressive" lord-masters in anything but derogatory terms but maybe I can with clever wordsmithing. Have to dig out the thesaurus. Sorry, the old eyes saw the period as a comma. |
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Don't know if I can refer to our "progressive" lord-masters in anything but derogatory terms but maybe I can with clever wordsmithing. Have to dig out the thesaurus. It could be fun, Mark. We need to get constructive with vocabulary! We won't be the first to seek out and utilize seemingly brilliant synonyms on this board, I can assure you.  |
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« Reply #30 on: July 06, 2016, 07:56:19 PM » |
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After some discussion with my friends I have removed the reference in the original post to deleting a post solely for the use of demeaning names for someone that other members support.
Honestly the intent is to get us to think about what we post in terms of how we would communicate face to face with our friends. I see it happen respectfully at gatherings and believe it would do us good to do so with the written (typed) word as well.
I don't want to reduce the participation on the message board to only those who agree with me on political or social issues. It would be nice but the three of us might get a bit lonely.
Discuss, interact, exchange views and values. I think we can do that without asserting or implying that those who disagree are stupid.
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I don't want to reduce the participation on the message board to only those who agree with me on political or social issues. It would be nice but the three of us might get a bit lonely.
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I don't want to reduce the participation on the message board to only those who agree with me on political or social issues. It would be nice but the three of us might get a bit lonely.
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For the most part I do not post a lot in the forum, mostly because I do not have much to say I think is worthy of posting, never want to post just because or to bore the folks here to death. However, that being said, I do not care for most political, religious or gun posts and therefore try to avoid them when possible (subject indicates what the post is about) it works well for me, but in the past myself and a few other members have suggested that the Admins make another page, (I know entails work, and I don't envy your jobs ) and I suggest again that there be a page for just readers rides, a place where the good folks can post pictures and write ups of their adventures without them being pushed to page 2-3 in an hour after posting by political or other BS. Willow, you said that the reporting of offensive pages/post caused lack of audience participation in the VRCC, well if you truly look into the VRCC past it has also happened due to all the political, religious and gun post that seem to have taken over the board and rule it now. Many of our members that used to frequently post their adventures no longer bother to here, it all winds up on Facebook, because there it does not get drowned in the other BS. I for one do not have Facebook so I miss out on a lot of good stories that used to appear in the pages of our VRCC. So again, if we could make another page (Readers Rides, I like that title) and keep it strictly motorcycle cruising that would be great and I am certain I am not the only one who would appreciate it. That way the General Board can stay the way it is and we who do not care of everyone's opinion about Trump, Hillary, the latest gun or whatever can still enjoy the very reason this Club came into existence, sharing the wind and the adventures we had with our Valkyries. That's my .02 ++ cents and I am sticking to it. Thanks |
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I KNOW,............... WHY DON'T WE HAVE A SEPARATE BOARD FOR POLITICAL POSTS ? ? ? ? Couldn't resist. |
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I agree with Ice. General Board should be about motorcycles "in general".
A friend moderates a Lincoln board, anything off topic is immediately deleted.
This board has very little MC content due to the same people debating religion and politics every day, the few actual MC posts are lost.
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Yes, we need a political/religious page and keep the general board for those who like to talk about motorcycles and adventures/ other shenanigans. Anything political or religious can be posted on the political/religious board. This is the easiest way to deal with this. Just have to have some willing administrators to put it in place.
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