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« on: August 05, 2016, 11:32:28 AM »

New ITAR Guidelines Look a Lot Like Executive Gun Control

https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/

The Department of State is issuing new guidelines requiring many machine shops and gunsmiths nationwide to register with ITAR. The cost? $2,250 per year. ITAR, or International Traffic in Arms Regulations, are designed to prevent firearms and firearm technology from being exported out of the country.

But the actual reason behind this sweeping change in guidelines may have a darker goal: to increase the cost of offering gunsmithing services. The changes were implemented without warning or input from the people and the industry.

ITAR requires that “Anybody who engages in the business of ‘manufacturing’ a defense article to register with DDTC and pay a registration fee that for new applicants is currently $2,250 per year,” explains the NRA. “These requirements apply, even if the business does not, and does not intend to, export any defense article. Moreover, under ITAR, ‘only one occasion of manufacturing … a defense article’ is necessary for a commercial entity to be considered ‘engaged in the business’ and therefore subject to the regime’s requirements.”

The changes to the rules now include just about anything other than installing drop-in parts as “manufacturing.” This means that any service that requires cutting, fitting or ‘special tools’ is considering manufacturing. If these companies wish to continue offering these services they will need to pay an additional $2,250 per year in fees.


In response to questions from persons engaged in the business of gunsmithing, DDTC has found in specific cases that ITAR registration is required because  the  following  activities  meet  the  ordinary,  contemporary,  common meaning of “manufacturing” and, therefore, constitute “manufacturing” for ITAR purposes:

a) Use of any special tooling or equipment upgrading in order to improve the capability of assembled or repaired firearms;

b) Modifications to a firearm that change round capacity;

c) The  production  of  firearm  parts  (including,  but  not  limited  to,  barrels,  stocks, cylinders, breech mechanisms, triggers, silencers, or suppressors);

d) The  systemized  production  of  ammunition,  including  the  automated  loading  or reloading of ammunition;

e) The  machining  or  cutting  of  firearms,  e.g.,  threading  of  muzzles  or  muzzle  brake installation requiring machining, that results in an enhanced capability;

f) Rechambering firearms through machining, cutting, or drilling;

g) Chambering, cutting, or threading barrel blanks; and

h) Blueprinting firearms by machining the barrel.

Thus installing a same-caliber replacement barrel on an AR rifle would not be considered manufacturing, but reaming a .223 Remington chamber to .223 Wylde would be. Similarly, installing an aftermarket trigger in a rifle is not manufacturing, but tuning an existing trigger is.

Even then the guidelines are vague, limiting “gunsmithing” to only work that doesn’t “improve the accuracy, caliber, or other aspects of firearm operation beyond its original capabilities,” leaving a lot up for interpretation.

This is likely to have a significant impact on smaller business who offer these services who can’t or don’t want to squeeze the extra cost out of their budgets. It will also affect the general consumer as shops that do will have to raise the prices of their work.

See Also: Homeland Security Secretary: Gun Control is Now A Matter of Homeland Security

That’s exactly the point of the new regulations, says the NRA. “DDTC’s move appears aimed at expanding the regulatory sweep of the AECA (Arms Export Control Act) [and] ITAR and culling many smaller commercial gunsmithing operations that do not have the means to pay the annual registration fee or the sophistication to negotiate DDTC’s confusing maze of bureaucracy.”

And shops that offer these services are going to really want to make sure their paperwork is in order, since the punishment for violating ITAR is steep.

“Additionally, the penalties for violating ITAR are significant and able to be applied retroactively,” writes Prince Law’s Adam Kraut. “Penalties for each violation of ITAR can result in up to $1,000,000 in fines and 20 years imprisonment.”

It’s not clear if these businesses will have to retroactively pay for ITAR registration if they are already engaged in “manufacturing” firearms. If so, the cost of registration could be even higher. And it could take some time for these businesses to comply with the new regulation, putting them at real legal risk between now and then.

The Directorate of Defense Trade Controls or DDTC, which drafted the new regulations, has a response team set up to help businesses navigate ITAR waters. For information on how to contact the DDTC and to see the regulations in full, check out the guidelines letter (.pdf).

Better still, potentially ITAR-regulated businesses should have an attorney contact the DDTC for them.

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« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2016, 12:07:15 PM »

Don't need any more guns, and close to not needing much more ammo.  Started collecting precious metals when they were cheap  cooldude
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« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2016, 12:29:44 PM »

Nothing to see here folks, move along.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSjK2Oqrgic

(As a wise man once said... Drip, drip, drip...)

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« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2016, 12:31:50 PM »

Don't need any more guns, and close to not needing much more ammo.  Started collecting precious metals when they were cheap  cooldude

While that may be true, the point is, Progressives are in charge and they don't like guns.   Just another way for Obama, Clinton, Pelosi and many more to make it harder for law abiding folks to own a firearm.   They still don't understand that the criminals don't give a damn about the law, they'll just steal another gun or get one under the table.   They also don't seem to understand that just about anything can be used to kill, pressure cookers, trucks/cars, knives, chemicals, diesel fuel and fertilizer, electricity and on and on.    I can't even name all the things that can be used as weapons and yet, they wish to take away a law abiding citizen's weapon of choice to defend themselves.     Pelosi has an excuse, she's just stupid.    The rest are beyond comprehension.

Nothing to see here folks, move along.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSjK2Oqrgic

(As a wise man once said... Drip, drip, drip...)

Please enlighten me.   Have I fallen victim to some bs site?
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« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2016, 12:56:42 PM »

Please enlighten me.   Have I fallen victim to some bs site?

No, I was agreeing with you... The liberal apologists will be telling us there's nothing to see here, as our rights and freedom are drip drip dripping away...

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« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2016, 12:59:19 PM »

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« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2016, 01:31:47 PM »

I'm going to post about this later in a separate post. I'm a gunsmith, or at least I was until the 22nd of July. Now I'm a parts replacer and refinisher only. I have roughly $80,000 wrapped up in my business which was to be my retirement. Now I will have 3 lathes and a mill standing idle and have already started turning away work.

At the time Obama took office a gunsmith could get a manufacturing FFl and build I beleive 25 custom firearms a year without coming under the ITAR regulations. Obama changed it to no firearms per year just as I started to apply for it so I got the regular FFL, not the manufacturer's.

I expect this to go back to pre-Obama regs if Clinton loses. I expect this to be only the tip of the iceberg if she wins. Next would probably be bringing reloading supplies under it if she wins, then reloading it's self along with the remaining "parts replacers and refinishers". Then individuals making their own firearms modifications would be next I imagine along with anything else she can think of.

I plan on trying to stay in business until after the election although I probably won't be able to meet my expenses because of the work I'll be losing. I don't get many refinishing jobs and repairing firearms usually doesn't make me much money. If she wins, I see no choice except to close up shop and, at 59 years old with a bad leg and back problems start trying to figure out how my wife and I will survive when we have to retire from the day jobs.

It would be hard to express how disgusted I am with this. It's obviously designed to drive gunsmiths such as myself out of business. You should expect 95% of the gunsmiths in the US to be out of business by this time next year if Hillary wins in November.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The upcoming election will be the most important election in my lifetime. And I'm the most worried I have ever been about my future, my family's future and my country's future.
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« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2016, 02:20:44 PM »

Correct me if I'm wrong,But I don't think that treaty was even ratified by the lousy squishes in the senate,
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« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2016, 04:36:11 PM »

Good Gunsmiths will just go underground.  If HRC wins in November that will be the beginning and end of a lot of things.  The beginning of a one-party state like China and the Korea's and the end of the US Constitution as we know it today.  The decline of gunsmiths will be the least of anybody's concerns.  
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« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2016, 05:32:50 PM »

Pawn shops. Are they on that list?
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« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2016, 05:37:41 PM »

Definitions:
§ 120.6 -- Defense article.

 Defense article means any item or technical data designated in § 121.1 of this subchapter. The policy described in § 120.3 is applicable to designations of additional items. This term includes technical data recorded or stored in any physical form, models, mockups or other items that reveal technical data directly relating to items designated in § 121.1 of this subchapter. It does not include basic marketing information on function or purpose or general system descriptions.

§ 121.9 -- Firearms.
Category I-Firearms

 *(a) Nonautomatic, semi-automatic and fully automatic firearms to caliber .50 inclusive, and all components and parts for such firearms. (See § 121.9 and §§ 123.16-123.19 of this subchapter.)

 (b) Riflescopes manufactured to military specifications, and specifically designed or modified components therefor; firearm silencers and suppressors, including flash suppressors.

 *(c) Insurgency-counterinsurgency type firearms or other weapons having a special military application (e.g. close assault weapons systems) regardless of caliber and all components and parts therefor.

 (d) Technical data (as defined in § 120.21 of this subchapter) and defense services (as defined in § 120.8 of this subchapter) directly related to the defense articles enumerated in paragraphs (a) through (c) of this category. (See § 125.4 of this subchapter for exemptions.) Technical data directly related to the manufacture or production of any defense articles enumerated elsewhere in this category that are designated as Significant Military Equipment (SME) shall itself be designated SME.

§ 123.16 -- Exemptions of general applicability.

 (a) The following exemptions apply to exports of unclassified defense articles for which no approval is needed from the Office of Defense Trade Controls. These exemptions do not apply to: Proscribed destinations under § 126.1 of this subchapter; exports for which Congressional notification is required; MTCR articles; and may not be used by persons who are generally ineligible as described in § 120.1(c) of this subchapter. All shipments of defense articles, including those to and from Canada, require a Shippers Export Declaration (SED). If the defense article is exempt from licensing, the SED must cite the exemption. Refer to § 123.22(c) for Shipper's Export Declaration requirements.

 (b) The following exports are exempt from the licensing requirements of this subchapter.

 (1) District Directors of Customs shall permit the export without a license of defense articles being exported in furtherance of an approved manufacturing license agreement, technical assistance agreement or distribution agreement provided that:

 (i) The defense articles to be exported support the activity and must be identified by item, quantity and value in the agreement; and

 (ii) Any provisos or limitations placed on the authorized agreement are adhered to; and

 (iii) The exporter certifies on the Shipper's Export Declaration that the export is exempt from the licensing requirements of this subchapter. This is done by writing, "22 CFR 123.16(b)(1) and AG [identify agreement number] applicable and

 (iv) The total value of all shipments does not exceed the value authorized in the agreement.

 (v) In the case of distribution agreements, export must be made directly to the approved foreign distributor.

 (2) District Directors of Customs shall permit the export of components or spare parts (for exemptions for firearms and ammunition see § 123.17) without a license when the total value does not exceed $ 500 in a single transaction and:

 (i) The components or spare parts are being exported to support a defense article previously authorized for export; and

 (ii) The spare parts or components are not going to a distributor, but to a previously approved end-user of the defense articles; and

 (iii) The spare parts or components are not to be used to enhance the capability of the defense article;

 (iv) exporters shall not split orders so as not to exceed the dollar value of this exemption;

 (v) the exporter may not make more than 24 shipments per calender year to the previously authorized end user;

 (vi) The exporter must certify on the Shipper's Export Declaration that the export is exempt from the licensing requirements of this subchapter. This is done by writing 22 CFR 123.16(b)(2) applicable.

 (3) District Directors of Customs shall permit the export without a license, of packing cases specially designed to carry defense articles.

 (4) District Directors of Customs shall permit the export without a license, of unclassified models or mock-ups of defense articles, provided that such models or mock-ups are nonoperable and do not reveal any technical data in excess of that which is exempted from the licensing requirements of § 125.4(b) of this subchapter and do not contain components covered by the U.S. Munitions List (see § 120.6(b) of this subchapter). Some models or mockups built to scale or constructed of original materials can reveal technical data. U.S. persons who avail themselves of this exemption must provide a written certification to the District Director of Customs that these conditions are met. This exemption does not imply that the Office of Defense Trade Controls will approve the export of any defense articles for which models or mocks-ups have been exported pursuant to this exemption.

 (5) District Directors of Customs shall permit the temporary export without a license of unclassified defense articles to any public exhibition, trade show, air show or related event if that article has previously been licensed for a public exhibition, trade show, air show or related event and the license is still valid. U.S. persons who avail themselves of this exemption must provide a written certification to the District Director of Customs that these conditions are met.

 (6) For exemptions for firearms and ammunition for personal use refer to § 123.17.

 (7) For exemptions for firearms for personal use of members of the U.S. Armed Forces and civilian employees see § 123.18.

 (Cool For exports to Canada refer to § 126.5 of this subchapter.

 (9) District Directors of Customs shall permit the temporary export without a license by a U.S. person of any unclassified component, part, tool or test equipment to a subsidiary, affiliate or facility owned or controlled by the U.S. person (see § 122.2(c) of this subchapter) if the component, part, tool or test equipment is to be used for manufacture, assembly, testing, production, or modification provided:

 (i) The U.S. person is registered with the Office of Defense Trade Controls and complies with all requirements set forth in part 122 of this subchapter;

 (ii) No defense article exported under this exemption may be sold or transferred without the appropriate license or other approval from the Office of Defense Trade Controls.

§ 123.17 -- Exports of firearms and ammunition.

 (a) Except as provided in § 126.1 of this subchapter, District Directors of Customs shall permit the export without a license of components and parts for Category I(a) firearms, except barrels, cylinders, receivers (frames) or complete breach mechanisms when the total value does not exceed $ 500 wholesale in any transaction.

 (b) District Directors of Customs shall permit the export without a license of nonautomatic firearms covered by Category I(a) of § 121.1 of this subchapter if they were manufactured in or before 1898, or are replicas of such firearms.

 (c) District Directors of Customs shall permit U.S. persons to export temporarily from the United States without a license not more than three nonautomatic firearms in Category I(a) of § 121.1 of this subchapter and not more than 1,000 cartridges therefor, provided that:

 (1) A declaration by the U.S. person and an inspection by a customs officer is made;

 (2) The firearms and accompanying ammunition must be with the U.S. person's baggage or effects, whether accompanied or unaccompanied (but not mailed); and

 (3) They must be for that person's exclusive use and not for reexport or other transfer of ownership. The foregoing exemption is not applicable to a crew-member of a vessel or aircraft unless the crew-member declares the firearms to a Customs officer upon each departure from the United States, and declares that it is his or her intention to return the article(s) on each return to the United States. It is also not applicable to the personnel referred to in § 123.18.

 (d) District Directors of Customs shall permit a foreign person to export without a license such firearms in Category I(a) of § 121.1 of this subchapter and ammunition therefor as the foreign person brought into the United States under the provisions of 27 CFR 178.115(d). (The latter provision specifically excludes from the definition of importation the bringing into the United States of firearms and ammunition by certain foreign persons for specified purposes).

 (e) District Directors of Customs shall permit U.S. persons to export without a license ammunition for nonautomatic firearms referred to in paragraph (a) of this section if the quantity does not exceed 1,000 cartridges (or rounds) in any shipment. The ammunition must also be for personal use and not for resale or other transfer of ownership. The foregoing exemption is also not applicable to the personnel referred to in § 123.18.

§ 123.18 -- Firearms for personal use of members of the U.S. Armed Forces and civilian employees of the U.S. Government.

 The following exemptions apply to members of the U.S. Armed Forces and civilian employees of the U.S. Government who are U.S. persons (both referred to herein as personnel). The exemptions apply only to such personnel if they are assigned abroad for extended duty. These exemptions do not apply to dependents.

 (a) Firearms. District Directors of Customs shall permit nonautomatic firearms in Category I(a) of § 121.1 of this subchapter and parts therefor to be exported, except by mail, from the United States without a license if:

 (1) They are consigned to servicemen's clubs abroad for uniformed members of the U.S. Armed Forces; or,

 (2) In the case of a uniformed member of the U.S. Armed Forces or a civilian employee of the Department of Defense, they are for personal use and not for resale or other transfer of ownership, and if the firearms are accompanied by a written authorization from the commanding officer concerned; or

 (3) In the case of other U.S. Government employees, they are for personal use and not for resale or other transfer of ownership, and the Chief of the U.S. Diplomatic Mission or his designee in the country of destination has approved in writing to Department of State the import of the specific types and quantities of firearms into that country. The exporter shall provide a copy of this written statement to the District Director of Customs.

 (b) Ammunition. District Directors of Customs shall permit not more than 1,000 cartridges (or rounds) of ammunition for the firearms referred to in paragraph (a) of this section to be exported (but not mailed) from the United States without a license when the firearms are on the person of the owner or with his baggage or effects, whether accompanied or unaccompanied (but not mailed).

§ 123.19 -- Canadian and Mexican border shipments.

 A shipment originating in Canada or Mexico which incidentally transits the United States en route to a delivery point in the same country that originated the shipment is exempt from the requirement for an in transit license.

§ 123.20 -- Nuclear materials.

 (a) The provisions of this subchapter do not apply to persons living in Franklin County, Kentucky owning, building, exporting, or using weapons containing any form of Nuclear materials.  Evil
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« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2016, 11:47:42 PM »

I have not searched to see if it would be a crime, but (assuming it wasn't) it would be nice if 50 million gun owners all applied for this ITAR license (along with a statement they will not be exporting anything beyond CONUS), but refused to pay the exorbitant fee which is an unconstitutional taking without due process of law (additional constitutional arguments can be made). 

I would hope my NRA/ILA and GOA to be taking this to the federal courts in due course.

Sorry for your troubles Mike.

I am wondering if small one-man shops in a geographic region could band together in groups, organizationally, to be able to share the expense of a single license. 
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« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2016, 03:16:00 AM »

I would hope my NRA/ILA and GOA to be taking this to the federal courts in due course.


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« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2016, 04:01:37 AM »

I would hope my NRA/ILA and GOA to be taking this to the federal courts in due course.


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« Reply #15 on: August 06, 2016, 04:34:18 AM »

I have not searched to see if it would be a crime, but (assuming it wasn't) it would be nice if 50 million gun owners all applied for this ITAR license (along with a statement they will not be exporting anything beyond CONUS), but refused to pay the exorbitant fee which is an unconstitutional taking without due process of law (additional constitutional arguments can be made). 

I would hope my NRA/ILA and GOA to be taking this to the federal courts in due course.

Sorry for your troubles Mike.

I am wondering if small one-man shops in a geographic region could band together in groups, organizationally, to be able to share the expense of a single license. 

That is a good question concerning small shops banding together and will be worth looking into for some if not all of us. I've written Pence, my state Senators and my Representative about it. I expected at least a reply from each of them but it's been over a week and I have still gotten nothing but the auto-reply.

I think this is probably being done for a couple of reasons. One being to chill to pre-election speech of many in the 2nd Amendment community. And I admit, I speak of it with a certain amount of trepidation since I assume public criticism will be noted and punished.

I don't see how enforcing what seem to be new guidelines retroactively could be legal. But of course, if the election goes against us, she will own the courts for the next 30+ years and I see little chance under those circumstances of being protected by the legal system.

This seems very much the same as the irs being used to target political opponents which has already happened and may still be.

The sad thing for me is that I started this business for two reasons. One is that I believe helping people keep their family heirloom firearms operating safely and correctly for future generations helps Americans and  America. And I still believe that and feel good knowing I have done so.

The other was for financial security. As a 59 year-old diabetic I'm well aware that my expected lifespan is only another 15 years or so and I'm fine with that. But my wonderful wife is nearly 5 years younger than I and so far very healthy thankfully. She could and hopefully will have another 30+ years of good, healthy lifespan ahead of her. So, what little retirement savings we have needs to last as long as she needs it and probably long past my time with her. The gunsmith shop was intended to give us an income as long as i could work so those savings would still be intact for her when I was gone. Giant fines and legal expenses would leave her with nothing and me going to the next world when my time comes knowing I'd failed her.

I guess I'm naive but I never expected to see the unlimited wealth of our government used as a weapon against good, law-abiding, freedom loving citizens.
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« Reply #16 on: August 06, 2016, 05:25:49 AM »

I have not searched to see if it would be a crime, but (assuming it wasn't) it would be nice if 50 million gun owners all applied for this ITAR license (along with a statement they will not be exporting anything beyond CONUS), but refused to pay the exorbitant fee which is an unconstitutional taking without due process of law (additional constitutional arguments can be made). 

I would hope my NRA/ILA and GOA to be taking this to the federal courts in due course.

Sorry for your troubles Mike.

I am wondering if small one-man shops in a geographic region could band together in groups, organizationally, to be able to share the expense of a single license. 

That is a good question concerning small shops banding together and will be worth looking into for some if not all of us. I've written Pence, my state Senators and my Representative about it. I expected at least a reply from each of them but it's been over a week and I have still gotten nothing but the auto-reply.

I think this is probably being done for a couple of reasons. One being to chill to pre-election speech of many in the 2nd Amendment community. And I admit, I speak of it with a certain amount of trepidation since I assume public criticism will be noted and punished.

I don't see how enforcing what seem to be new guidelines retroactively could be legal. But of course, if the election goes against us, she will own the courts for the next 30+ years and I see little chance under those circumstances of being protected by the legal system.

This seems very much the same as the irs being used to target political opponents which has already happened and may still be.

The sad thing for me is that I started this business for two reasons. One is that I believe helping people keep their family heirloom firearms operating safely and correctly for future generations helps Americans and  America. And I still believe that and feel good knowing I have done so.

The other was for financial security. As a 59 year-old diabetic I'm well aware that my expected lifespan is only another 15 years or so and I'm fine with that. But my wonderful wife is nearly 5 years younger than I and so far very healthy thankfully. She could and hopefully will have another 30+ years of good, healthy lifespan ahead of her. So, what little retirement savings we have needs to last as long as she needs it and probably long past my time with her. The gunsmith shop was intended to give us an income as long as i could work so those savings would still be intact for her when I was gone. Giant fines and legal expenses would leave her with nothing and me going to the next world when my time comes knowing I'd failed her.

I guess I'm naive but I never expected to see the unlimited wealth of our government used as a weapon against good, law-abiding, freedom loving citizens.
Frye, I don't know anything about these rules but I wanted to comment about your diabetes. My Father in law has had it for 30 + years now. He is 88. I'm sure you don't need any preaching about what to do. But I just want you to know he has (well actually my mother in law has) been very diligent in his regimen and is doing pretty good.  cooldude
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« Reply #17 on: August 06, 2016, 07:19:34 AM »

I have not searched to see if it would be a crime, but (assuming it wasn't) it would be nice if 50 million gun owners all applied for this ITAR license (along with a statement they will not be exporting anything beyond CONUS), but refused to pay the exorbitant fee which is an unconstitutional taking without due process of law (additional constitutional arguments can be made). 

I would hope my NRA/ILA and GOA to be taking this to the federal courts in due course.

Sorry for your troubles Mike.

I am wondering if small one-man shops in a geographic region could band together in groups, organizationally, to be able to share the expense of a single license. 

That is a good question concerning small shops banding together and will be worth looking into for some if not all of us. I've written Pence, my state Senators and my Representative about it. I expected at least a reply from each of them but it's been over a week and I have still gotten nothing but the auto-reply.

I think this is probably being done for a couple of reasons. One being to chill to pre-election speech of many in the 2nd Amendment community. And I admit, I speak of it with a certain amount of trepidation since I assume public criticism will be noted and punished.

I don't see how enforcing what seem to be new guidelines retroactively could be legal. But of course, if the election goes against us, she will own the courts for the next 30+ years and I see little chance under those circumstances of being protected by the legal system.

This seems very much the same as the irs being used to target political opponents which has already happened and may still be.

The sad thing for me is that I started this business for two reasons. One is that I believe helping people keep their family heirloom firearms operating safely and correctly for future generations helps Americans and  America. And I still believe that and feel good knowing I have done so.

The other was for financial security. As a 59 year-old diabetic I'm well aware that my expected lifespan is only another 15 years or so and I'm fine with that. But my wonderful wife is nearly 5 years younger than I and so far very healthy thankfully. She could and hopefully will have another 30+ years of good, healthy lifespan ahead of her. So, what little retirement savings we have needs to last as long as she needs it and probably long past my time with her. The gunsmith shop was intended to give us an income as long as i could work so those savings would still be intact for her when I was gone. Giant fines and legal expenses would leave her with nothing and me going to the next world when my time comes knowing I'd failed her.

I guess I'm naive but I never expected to see the unlimited wealth of our government used as a weapon against good, law-abiding, freedom loving citizens.
Frye, I don't know anything about these rules but I wanted to comment about your diabetes. My Father in law has had it for 30 + years now. He is 88. I'm sure you don't need any preaching about what to do. But I just want you to know he has (well actually my mother in law has) been very diligent in his regimen and is doing pretty good.  cooldude

Thanks for the info. I'm doing well with it too right now. Had to start taking meds for it about a year ago but I'm hoping to get off them about 20lbs from now. But, the last time I looked it up, statistically a diabetic my age had an average expected life span of 74 years. So for economic proposes, that's what I try to plan for and I assume and hope I'll be able to work for nearly all of that. The plant my wife and I expected to get our retirements from closed at a point when it was too late to earn the same kind of benefits elsewhere. So I need to be able to work as long as I'm still kicking if we're going to have enough money to do more than grow a garden and watch TV. Hence sinking a large sum of money into my gunsmith business. Assuming I'm not forced out of business I should be able to make a living as a gunsmith as long as I can still see and think and long after I have to quite climbing ladders, crawling into machines and tracing wire. If I am forced out of business, I guess I'd better be able to climb those ladders for a long time.

I do appreciate the info though. Diabetes is scary. In particular since the leg I broke on the Valk a few years never really healed right and gets progressively more painful to stand on for long periods as I age. I told my doctor I don't want to know if I have cancer, I don't want scripts, I don't want to see him more than is absolutely necessary. I just don't want my damn leg falling off and I don't want to die from diabetes.
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« Reply #18 on: August 06, 2016, 07:32:31 AM »

To continue with the hijack. Diabetes is very scary. My granddaughter developed it at 18 months old. She has come near death 3 times now. I had a nephew die at the age of 8 years old from it. It's something that is always on my mind and ready to break our hearts again at any moment. Sorry, I just want you to know the importance of vigilance with it.  cooldude
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« Reply #19 on: August 06, 2016, 07:44:42 AM »

Mike, I'm right there with you.  BTW you did a fine job preserving my heirloom Mauser.  I showed it to my Mom before she died - made her feel good, Dad's rifle looking so fine.  I can't hit anything with it - my old eyes are useless with it's iron sights, and I don't want to mod the rifle with a peep or anything else. But it was still the right thing to do.

I'm older than you, and with diabetes.  Have been dealing with it for over a decade.  The meds have kept it under control.  But the dependence on meds with government meddling in the health arena and destroying the economy, printing money, taxing and spending etc - I'm thinking I'll be killed by the collapse of the economy and outrageous med costs, before the diabetes does me in vis-a-vis your timeline.  To me the election of HRC is a death sentence for me.

This latest tack the zero administration has taken to kill the gun world - I wouldn't have thought they could get away with it.  Then I consider what the bastard has already done. Surprised I didn't hear of this one from the NRA already - yeah I'm on their mailing list, along with a ton of other gun advocacies.  I'm hoping the hildabeast is sent packing - off to prison (yeah right) - and this move along with all the other lawless edicts is terminated.  But the thought of a Trump administration is truly scary - just the lessor of evils.

I have regretted not turning my armorer training into a career after the nam, with schooling in gunsmithing.  Was bitter with the USAF and wanted to distance myself, so I went another way. Now it seems, a business in that arena would be shaky.  I hope it works out for you.  And for all patriots. And everyone who loves this country.  Personally, I'm not buying guns at the moment.  I have one or 2. And I know where the boat sunk on Lake Michigan (GPS - no ATF, not telling you the coords) and am certified with SCUBA.  They might rust a bit though, before I get there.  Except the SS ones.
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« Reply #20 on: August 06, 2016, 08:44:22 AM »

Mike, I'm right there with you.  BTW you did a fine job preserving my heirloom Mauser.  I showed it to my Mom before she died - made her feel good, Dad's rifle looking so fine.  I can't hit anything with it - my old eyes are useless with it's iron sights, and I don't want to mod the rifle with a peep or anything else. But it was still the right thing to do.

I'm older than you, and with diabetes.  Have been dealing with it for over a decade.  The meds have kept it under control.  But the dependence on meds with government meddling in the health arena and destroying the economy, printing money, taxing and spending etc - I'm thinking I'll be killed by the collapse of the economy and outrageous med costs, before the diabetes does me in vis-a-vis your timeline.  To me the election of HRC is a death sentence for me.

This latest tack the zero administration has taken to kill the gun world - I wouldn't have thought they could get away with it.  Then I consider what the bastard has already done. Surprised I didn't hear of this one from the NRA already - yeah I'm on their mailing list, along with a ton of other gun advocacies.  I'm hoping the hildabeast is sent packing - off to prison (yeah right) - and this move along with all the other lawless edicts is terminated.  But the thought of a Trump administration is truly scary - just the lessor of evils.

I have regretted not turning my armorer training into a career after the nam, with schooling in gunsmithing.  Was bitter with the USAF and wanted to distance myself, so I went another way. Now it seems, a business in that arena would be shaky.  I hope it works out for you.  And for all patriots. And everyone who loves this country.  Personally, I'm not buying guns at the moment.  I have one or 2. And I know where the boat sunk on Lake Michigan (GPS - no ATF, not telling you the coords) and am certified with SCUBA.  They might rust a bit though, before I get there.  Except the SS ones.

The diabolical thing to me is that FFL holders were never notified by the government of the change. Luckily I heard about it online shortly after the 22nd.

The only possible reason I can think of to not notify FFL holders would be so they can trap gunsmiths who didn't know about it and threaten them with massive fines and jail if they don't give up their FFLs on the spot during inspections.

Many thanks for the good words. I was very proud to do that job for you and handling that old and amazingly well done machine work was a joy I won't soon forget. It amazes me how the work of fine craftsmen can live long after they are gone and their arts nearly forgotten. I do love my job although my blood pressure has went up 15 points since this new attack on our freedom and my business.

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« Reply #21 on: August 06, 2016, 02:32:55 PM »

http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/category/diabetes/
Dr. William Davis
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"The food you eat is making you sick and the agencies that are providing you with guidelines on what to eat are giving dangerous advice with devastating health consequences. You can change that today."

http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/2012/09/diabetes-cured-by-wheat-belly/

Let’s be clear on this: Grains and sugars CAUSE type 2 diabetes. Wheat is the worst of all grains and therefore wheat causes diabetes. (Wheat also causes type 1 diabetes, by the way, an entirely different, though VERY disturbing, conversation.) Let us count the ways:

1) The amylopectin A “complex” carbohydrate of wheat, given its unusual susceptibility to digestion by the salivary and stomach enzyme, amylase, raises blood sugar to sky-high levels. You know my line: Two slices of whole wheat bread raise blood sugar higher than 6 teaspoons of table sugar. (And, no, it does NOT mean eat white bread!)

2) High blood glucose damages the delicate pancreatic beta cells that produce insulin, a process called “glucotoxicity.”

3) Following consumption of highly-digestible carbohydrates, such as the amylopectin A of wheat, the process of liver de novo lipogenesis causes a flood of triglyceride-rich liver lipoproteins like VLDL particles to enter the bloodstream. This damages the pancreatic beta cells, a process called “lipotoxicity.”

4) Repetitive high blood sugars, such as that developing after a diet rich in “healthy whole grains,” via an uncertain cascade of events, leads to insulin resistance, that places greater demand on the pancreas to produce more insulin.

5) Insulin resistance triggers the accumulation of visceral fat: muffin top, love handles, or wheat belly.

6) Visceral fat is inflammatory fat that worsens insulin resistance.

The above are well documented. Less well documented but potentially just as important: The combined action of the gliadin protein of wheat and the lectin protein, wheat germ agglutinin, are directly toxic to the pancreas, as well as to the gastric/duodenal signaling apparatus for pancreatic endocrine/exocrine function.

In short: wheat consumption = diabetes. Accordingly, no wheat often means no diabetes. Key: Lose the wheat before it’s too late. Pancreatic beta cells for the most part do not regenerate once destroyed. If you have only 70% residual beta cell function remaining, for instance (VERY common), do it now or else the diabetes is irreversible.

It makes Novo Nordisk, Novartis, and Sanofi Aventis very happy when you have incurable type 2 diabetes. Note that the great majority of people on diabetes drugs–responsible for double-digit revenue growth in these diabetes drug manufacturers, recession be cursed!–are taking them for a reversible, curable disease. People have heart attacks, develop breast cancer, have strokes, and undergo amputations of limbs and go blind . . . from this reversible disease.

The American Diabetes Association continues to advise diabetics to eat more “healthy whole grains” and to follow a diet that is dominated (60%+ of calories) by grains. They are nicely assisted in their cause by Novo Nordisk, Novartis, and Sanofi Aventis, not to mention Cadbury Schweppes, the world’s largest candy and soft drink manufacturer.
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« Reply #22 on: August 07, 2016, 07:37:04 AM »

http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/category/diabetes/
Dr. William Davis
Cardiologist + Author + Health Crusader
"The food you eat is making you sick and the agencies that are providing you with guidelines on what to eat are giving dangerous advice with devastating health consequences. You can change that today."

http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/2012/09/diabetes-cured-by-wheat-belly/

Let’s be clear on this: Grains and sugars CAUSE type 2 diabetes. Wheat is the worst of all grains and therefore wheat causes diabetes. (Wheat also causes type 1 diabetes, by the way, an entirely different, though VERY disturbing, conversation.) Let us count the ways:

1) The amylopectin A “complex” carbohydrate of wheat, given its unusual susceptibility to digestion by the salivary and stomach enzyme, amylase, raises blood sugar to sky-high levels. You know my line: Two slices of whole wheat bread raise blood sugar higher than 6 teaspoons of table sugar. (And, no, it does NOT mean eat white bread!)

2) High blood glucose damages the delicate pancreatic beta cells that produce insulin, a process called “glucotoxicity.”

3) Following consumption of highly-digestible carbohydrates, such as the amylopectin A of wheat, the process of liver de novo lipogenesis causes a flood of triglyceride-rich liver lipoproteins like VLDL particles to enter the bloodstream. This damages the pancreatic beta cells, a process called “lipotoxicity.”

4) Repetitive high blood sugars, such as that developing after a diet rich in “healthy whole grains,” via an uncertain cascade of events, leads to insulin resistance, that places greater demand on the pancreas to produce more insulin.

5) Insulin resistance triggers the accumulation of visceral fat: muffin top, love handles, or wheat belly.

6) Visceral fat is inflammatory fat that worsens insulin resistance.

The above are well documented. Less well documented but potentially just as important: The combined action of the gliadin protein of wheat and the lectin protein, wheat germ agglutinin, are directly toxic to the pancreas, as well as to the gastric/duodenal signaling apparatus for pancreatic endocrine/exocrine function.

In short: wheat consumption = diabetes. Accordingly, no wheat often means no diabetes. Key: Lose the wheat before it’s too late. Pancreatic beta cells for the most part do not regenerate once destroyed. If you have only 70% residual beta cell function remaining, for instance (VERY common), do it now or else the diabetes is irreversible.

It makes Novo Nordisk, Novartis, and Sanofi Aventis very happy when you have incurable type 2 diabetes. Note that the great majority of people on diabetes drugs–responsible for double-digit revenue growth in these diabetes drug manufacturers, recession be cursed!–are taking them for a reversible, curable disease. People have heart attacks, develop breast cancer, have strokes, and undergo amputations of limbs and go blind . . . from this reversible disease.

The American Diabetes Association continues to advise diabetics to eat more “healthy whole grains” and to follow a diet that is dominated (60%+ of calories) by grains. They are nicely assisted in their cause by Novo Nordisk, Novartis, and Sanofi Aventis, not to mention Cadbury Schweppes, the world’s largest candy and soft drink manufacturer.


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