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« on: August 15, 2016, 06:06:51 AM »

http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2016/08/sailor-seeks-leniency-in-submarine-photos-case-by-citing-clinton-226995

"Democratic Presidential Candidate and former Secretary of State Hilary [sic] Clinton...has come under scrutiny for engaging in acts similar to Mr. Saucier," Hogan wrote. He noted that FBI Director James Comey said 110 emails in 52 email chains in Clinton's account contained information deemed classified at the time, including eight chains with "top secret" information and 36 with "secret" information.

"In our case, Mr. Saucier possessed six (6) photographs classified as 'confidential/restricted,' far less than Clinton's 110 emails," Hogan wrote. "It will be unjust and unfair for Mr. Saucier to receive any sentence other than probation for a crime those more powerful than him will likely avoid."


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« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2016, 07:33:07 AM »

If the sailor's last name was Clinton, this wouldn't even be a story  Angry
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« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2016, 11:18:12 AM »

If the sailor's last name was Clinton, this wouldn't even be a story  Angry

If the sailor's last name was Clinton, he wouldn't be related.
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« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2016, 03:26:10 PM »

Poor squid will be in Portsmouth and the hildab tchb ast will STILL be free. I've heard iffin you got enough bread you can git someone else to eat the crap sandwich. RIDE SAFE.
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« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2018, 07:03:25 AM »

Necro'ing this old thread for an update - The sailor has been given a presidential pardon by President Trump.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/09/trump-pardons-former-navy-sailor-imprisoned-for-taking-photos-on-nuclear-submarine-white-house-says.html
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« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2018, 07:10:38 AM »

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-apos-latest-pardon-shows-211624745.html
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« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2018, 07:31:37 AM »

I'm glad he got his pardon.

I once got a back seat ride in an F-16 B model (with a back seat).

I had a little Instamatic camera with me, and was told not to take pictures of any of the backseat seat dashboard (classified).  I ran a roll of film, and am pretty sure I avoided the dash, but no one cared or asked to see the pictures or film after my ride.  I still have them buried in a sea of old pictures, somewhere.

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« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2018, 07:51:36 AM »

This could be a precedent for anyone that had been arrested, convicted, fired, fined, whatever for any mishandling of classified information. I hope everyone that ever got in this kind of trouble gets a lawyer.

The big question I still have is. Clinton states that she did all her business through her private server or her Blackbery, yet she states she didn't send or receive any classified stuff. I worked a short stint in a Fed position. I had a lowly secret clearance. I received secret and classified stuff every day in my .gov  E-Mail. And was under threat of firing, fines and imprisonment if I viewed them anywhere but on a secure .gov server or let anyone see them. How in the hell do you spend 4yrs as SOS, only use your private server and Blackberry, and not handle classified info???? I guarantee as SOS she received a crap-ton of classified stuff every day. How did sh read and respond to it???
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« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2018, 07:51:44 AM »

When I worked at Magnavox (military electronics) I had only a Secret clearance.  I had to sign into a Top Secret area to run a Top Secret electronic test .  Kinda funny.
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« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2018, 08:26:31 AM »

I'm glad he got his pardon.

I once got a back seat ride in an F-16 B model (with a back seat).

I had a little Instamatic camera with me, and was told not to take pictures of any of the backseat seat dashboard (classified).  I ran a roll of film, and am pretty sure I avoided the dash, but no one cared or asked to see the pictures or film after my ride.  I still have them buried in a sea of old pictures, somewhere.


I think what did him in was destroying a laptop, a camera, a memory card and scattering it in the woods. When you go out of your way to destroy evidence it makes you seem guilty of something nefarious.
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« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2018, 08:38:36 AM »

I also only carried a secret clearance (and worked hard not to be given a TS.  If you know anything about the subject, you don't want one if at all possible).

Because I only had a secret, I never had the combination to the classified safe.  Good.  

Yet, several times, my paltry secret classified stuff on my desk, or FOUO, or NOFORN, yada, was still on my desk at quitting time, and the safe was locked, and the couple with the combo gone.  Now nothing I ever had on my desk would ever compromise national security (not even close), and much of it's classification was laughable, but you don't get to question it, and must follow the rules.

So I had to spend those nights (all night) sleeping in my office (because you never call the Col or the CMSgt to drive back into the office for you, it's poor form).  You cannot hide it in a (locking) drawer, or the drop ceiling, or take it home with you.  Well you can, and chances of being caught are slim, but when you work right in the prosecutor's office, you better know better.

I think what did him in was destroying a laptop, a camera, a memory card and scattering it in the woods. When you go out of your way to destroy evidence it makes you seem guilty of something nefarious.

Yep, my very first court martial prosecution was of an SP for stealing two USAF revolvers.  He claimed he had bought them through the DRMO (sale of used USAF crap to the public).  Except the USAF (unlike other branches) never sold a single firearm through DRMO, ever.  (His defense counsel, didn't do his homework, and was badly embarrassed).  But besides that lie, what really convinced the jury was the fact he stored these two revolvers in a hole in the ground out in the woods.  People with legal firearms rarely store them that way (and long-range prepper stuff was not much in practice back then).  
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« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2018, 09:07:06 AM »

I think what did him in was destroying a laptop, a camera, a memory card and scattering it in the woods. When you go out of your way to destroy evidence it makes you seem guilty of something nefarious.

Wow so what does Bleach Bit and lawyers and destroying servers make you look like? Along with giving your secretary open access to all information going to a pervert husband  uglystupid2


Trump has done and in this case doing the right thing  cooldude
All the while that pos walks around with millions, dont tell me that justice is equal for all.
Do you remember Comey saying that there was no intent, really, then what intent was in this case?
Sausier did NOT get off SCOTT FREE like HRC he paid a price.

Look forward to 11/11/18

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-pardons-kristian-saucier-former-sailor-jailed-for-submarine-pictures/article/2651195


Still, Trump allowed Saucier to serve his full prison sentence. He was released in September and returned to the Vermont home he shares with his wife Sadie and their two-year-old daughter.

Saucier, now 31, was 22 years old when he took the cellphone photos in 2009. He pleaded guilty to one count of unauthorized retention of national defense information and his attorneys unsuccessfully requested the "Clinton deal," meaning little if any punishment.

The six photos found on a cellphone Saucier discarded were deemed “confidential,” the lowest level of classification, even though some depicted the vessel’s nuclear reactor. Clinton, by contrast, sent and received highly classified information on a private email server. In pleading guilty, Saucier admitted destroying evidence after being questioned.

Saucier argued the photos were innocent keepsakes and pointed to two co-workers caught taking photos inside the sub's engine room who were not prosecuted. Prosecutors cast doubt on the explanation and said his conduct could have harmed the country, though there was no evidence that happened.

Saucier told the Washington Examiner earlier this year that a felony conviction made it hard to find work. He found employment as a garbage man to support his family. While in prison, the family's cars were repossessed and his home is in foreclosure.

“We’re struggling,” Saucier said in January, describing frequent calls from credit card debt collectors and an electricity bill payment plan. “No one will hire me because I’m a felon ... All the skills I worked so hard for in the military are useless.”

Before the pardon, Saucier had several months left of wearing an ankle monitor.

"When Kris gets home from work, when he gets to the door, I'm going to be a little emotional," Sadie Saucier told the Washington Examiner. "I can't believe it happened, I don't think it's set in yet."

Sadie Saucier said she notified her husband of the pardon via text message as he drove his garbage truck through a mountainous area with poor reception.

"I just was able to say 'Hey' via a text message, 'You got a pardon.' All he said was, 'What!' with a big exclamation point," she said.

"I am very grateful," Sadie Saucier said. "It's going to be a huge for our family. And a huge reality when probation calls and the ankle monitor is taken off, that's going to be a big one."
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« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2018, 10:00:22 AM »

 Shocked uh....I just commented that destroying the evidence is what got him. Be calm and carry on.  coolsmiley
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« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2018, 10:02:26 AM »

Shocked uh....I just commented that destroying the evidence is what got him. Be calm and carry on.  coolsmiley

Yes and wish it had happened this way with Hillary also.
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« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2018, 10:38:34 AM »

I also only carried a secret clearance (and worked hard not to be given a TS.  If you know anything about the subject, you don't want one if at all possible).


I had a TS clearance. Never needed it though. If I remember correctly we all got it about 1/2 way thru “C” school. The stuff I worked on was ancient and used mostly for supply and payroll stuff. Maybe some of the info was Top Secret, we never looked at the data anyway.
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« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2018, 11:43:30 AM »

I'm glad he got his pardon.

I once got a back seat ride in an F-16 B model (with a back seat).

I had a little Instamatic camera with me, and was told not to take pictures of any of the backseat seat dashboard (classified).  I ran a roll of film, and am pretty sure I avoided the dash, but no one cared or asked to see the pictures or film after my ride.  I still have them buried in a sea of old pictures, somewhere.


I think what did him in was destroying a laptop, a camera, a memory card and scattering it in the woods. When you go out of your way to destroy evidence it makes you seem guilty of something nefarious.

Yeah, nothing like smashing hard drives or deleting emails.
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« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2018, 06:51:44 AM »

I would bet that Shawn Hannity had a fair amount of influence in this pardon, though it took a long time.
I do hope Saucier is able to obtain a job he is truly qualified for and get his and his families life back on the right track.
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