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« Reply #40 on: August 19, 2016, 05:18:33 PM » |
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« Reply #41 on: August 20, 2016, 06:33:28 AM » |
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You find it amazing Republicans do not support Trump. I find it far more amazing that Dems DO support a person like Hillary. I find many Democrats would vote for Ol' Scratch himself if he had a D next to his name on the ballot. |
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« Reply #42 on: August 20, 2016, 07:26:49 AM » |
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« Reply #43 on: August 20, 2016, 08:00:17 AM » |
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« Reply #44 on: August 20, 2016, 08:22:55 AM » |
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And now statues of naked Hillary, without her human suit on, have begun appearing... Lolol......now THAT'S just wrong...... |
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« Reply #45 on: August 20, 2016, 08:36:15 AM » |
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« Reply #48 on: August 20, 2016, 07:11:47 PM » |
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I don't find either Trump or Clinton particularly appealing. The best thing I can say about Hillary is that I'm reasonably sure she won't hit the football button without enemy missiles already in the air. I don't have that much confidence in Trump - the man shoots his mouth off first, then "apoligizes" for being .. whatever. He's even made comments that he would seriously consider launching a nuke war - think about that REALLY SERIOUSLY (it scares the hell out of me !!! ) OTOH - I have about zero trust of Hillary except that she will look out for #1 - herself.
The last several elections - I've seen lots of people that I would like to see be POTUS - but they're all too smart to run (Colin Powell was someone I could really get behind as being with integrity and common sense - enough that he wisely didn't run).
I'll vote, but as of now - I'll probably leave the President blank. I honestly think EITHER VP candidate would better than the Presidential candidate for the big chair.
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« Reply #49 on: August 20, 2016, 07:47:52 PM » |
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Scoop problem is she wouldn't hit it even if there were missiles in the air.
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« Reply #50 on: August 21, 2016, 06:41:30 AM » |
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Sad sign of the times, I'm legitimately not sure which would be more ruinous to civilization and the future of humanity: Trump starting a nuclear war over an insult, or 4 years of Hillary...
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« Reply #51 on: August 21, 2016, 07:50:55 AM » |
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« Reply #52 on: August 21, 2016, 12:36:26 PM » |
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I guess what may be a bit amusing is that there seem to be a number of people who believe the President can unilaterally and instantaneously decide to launch nuclear weapons in an other than defensive response situation.
I suppose if a president was determined to do such he or she could over time place the correct people in high ranking military positions to support the act. It would take a good deal of planning.
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« Reply #53 on: August 21, 2016, 12:49:10 PM » |
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Let's hope you are right. I always got the feeling Alexander Haig would have.
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« Reply #54 on: August 21, 2016, 01:07:42 PM » |
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"The President does have unilateral authority as commander-in-chief to order that nuclear weapons be used for any reason at any time, the actual procedures and technical systems in place for authorizing the execution of a launch order requires a secondary confirmation under a two-man rule, as the President's order is subject to secondary confirmation by the Secretary of Defense. If the Secretary of Defense does not concur, then the President may in his sole discretion fire the Secretary. The Secretary of Defense has legal authority to approve the order, but cannot veto it."
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« Reply #55 on: August 21, 2016, 01:10:47 PM » |
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"The President does have unilateral authority as commander-in-chief to order that nuclear weapons be used for any reason at any time, the actual procedures and technical systems in place for authorizing the execution of a launch order requires a secondary confirmation under a two-man rule, as the President's order is subject to secondary confirmation by the Secretary of Defense. If the Secretary of Defense does not concur, then the President may in his sole discretion fire the Secretary. The Secretary of Defense has legal authority to approve the order, but cannot veto it."
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« Reply #56 on: August 21, 2016, 01:19:47 PM » |
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I concur with meathead's observation. At the point of launch it actually takes more than one person with a key and they are not nineteen year olds.
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« Reply #57 on: August 21, 2016, 01:53:40 PM » |
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When it gets down to the guys in the silo, those missiles can be launched without those guys ever turning their keys.
Many do not know that both guys in the silo carry sidearms (behind the behemoth blast door).
In nearly any scenario where the president was even considering a launch, he would be surrounded by many top leadership, civilian and military. If a president ordered a launch that everyone else thought was lunacy, they would probably restrain him and have him sedated.
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« Reply #58 on: August 21, 2016, 03:46:51 PM » |
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When it gets down to the guys in the silo, those missiles can be launched without those guys ever turning their keys.
Many do not know that both guys in the silo carry sidearms (behind the behemoth blast door).
2 JO's - O1-O3 (2LT, 1LT, Capt ) - still, consider the experiance level is not too far removed from recent college graduates. The military officer carrying the "football" is usually an O4-O5, 24 hour special duty. Onboard the SSBN's - I believe it is the CO (O6) and the missile officer (O1-O3) with the launch keys. Since I did not have service aboard an SSBN - I don't know that for sure. In nearly any scenario where the president was even considering a launch, he would be surrounded by many top leadership, civilian and military. If a president ordered a launch that everyone else thought was lunacy, they would probably restrain him and have him sedated.
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« Reply #60 on: August 21, 2016, 07:02:29 PM » |
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Given the condition of world affairs, I don't have a problem with some world leaders thinking Trump might, could, would, use a nuke. I see nothing in his background, business, or family life to make me think that he views a nuke as a part of a everyday weapons arsenal. I am much more concerned about our enemies than I am Trump.
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« Reply #61 on: August 21, 2016, 07:16:00 PM » |
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I am much more concerned about our enemies than I am Trump.
I whole heartedly agree. That includes Hillary Clinton............. Anyone that thinks Hillary Clinton is for helping anyone besides Hillary Clinton is missing the boat or has something to gain from her election or, has something they fear they will lose if Trump is elected.... BTW, I'm not fond of Trump. She's been proven to be a liar, a cheat, a fraudulent lawyer, a con-person and a piss poor Sec. of State that let her people get slaughtered. Did I mention she thinks she can make and live by her on rules. See emails for more evidence........ How anyone could support her says a lot about what they care about. Themselves..................... Not the country. |
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« Reply #62 on: August 22, 2016, 06:40:20 AM » |
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I guess what may be a bit amusing is that there seem to be a number of people who believe the President can unilaterally and instantaneously decide to launch nuclear weapons in an other than defensive response situation.
I suppose if a president was determined to do such he or she could over time place the correct people in high ranking military positions to support the act. It would take a good deal of planning.
Bravo Willow. A president just can not go and launch nuclear weapons on his or her own. I am not sure of the protocol but it is designed for this not to happen. It is just political noise for the low info. crowd. They said the same of Reagan and Goldwater and it will always be the lefts defacto position. |
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« Reply #63 on: August 22, 2016, 08:16:24 AM » |
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The use of Some well placed tactical nukes in the Middle East might not be a bad idea. Feeling that the threat of us actually using nuclear weapons against them might cause, Terrorists, North Korea and some others to think twice before they commit their next act of aggression. One thing is for sure, having a president in office that they have NO REASON to fear doesn't work well.  |
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« Reply #64 on: August 22, 2016, 10:37:21 AM » |
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The use of Some well placed tactical nukes in the Middle East might not be a bad idea. Feeling that the threat of us actually using nuclear weapons against them might cause, Terrorists, North Korea and some others to think twice before they commit their next act of aggression. One thing is for sure, having a president in office that they have NO REASON to fear doesn't work well. It never ceases to amaze me how some are so nonchalant about using nukes. |
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« Reply #65 on: August 22, 2016, 11:32:38 AM » |
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The use of Some well placed tactical nukes in the Middle East might not be a bad idea. Feeling that the threat of us actually using nuclear weapons against them might cause, Terrorists, North Korea and some others to think twice before they commit their next act of aggression. One thing is for sure, having a president in office that they have NO REASON to fear doesn't work well. It never ceases to amaze me how some are so nonchalant about using nukes. IMHO, that's actually a big plus for Trump... He doesn't have to actually use 'em... But as long as those who wish to do us harm think he just MIGHT use 'em, they just possibly might scale their crap back a bit... As it stands right now we could use some of that, after almost 8 years of Obama/Hillary our enemies don't fear us and our allies don't trust us. |
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« Reply #66 on: August 22, 2016, 11:33:37 AM » |
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The use of Some well placed tactical nukes in the Middle East might not be a bad idea. Feeling that the threat of us actually using nuclear weapons against them might cause, Terrorists, North Korea and some others to think twice before they commit their next act of aggression. One thing is for sure, having a president in office that they have NO REASON to fear doesn't work well. It never ceases to amaze me how some are so nonchalant about using nukes. I find it interesting that it's usually the low information types that call for that. |
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The use of Some well placed tactical nukes in the Middle East might not be a bad idea. Feeling that the threat of us actually using nuclear weapons against them might cause, Terrorists, North Korea and some others to think twice before they commit their next act of aggression. One thing is for sure, having a president in office that they have NO REASON to fear doesn't work well. It never ceases to amaze me how some are so nonchalant about using nukes. IMHO, that's actually a big plus for Trump... He doesn't have to actually use 'em... But as long as those who wish to do us harm think he just MIGHT use 'em, they just possibly might scale their crap back a bit... As it stands right now we could use some of that, after almost 8 years of Obama/Hillary our enemies don't fear us and our allies don't trust us. IMHO it's not ! |
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« Reply #68 on: August 22, 2016, 11:43:52 AM » |
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« Reply #69 on: August 22, 2016, 12:02:09 PM » |
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IMHO it's not !
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Having a "Ya' know, he just might be crazy enough to actually do it!" foreign policy worked pretty well the last time we tried it, with Reagan and the fall of the Soviet Union. There is NO comparison between this guy and Reagan. Chuck Norris disagrees with you... You don't want me to tell him you think he's wrong, do you? I mean, insulting Chuck Norris is ALMOST as dangerous as having damning evidence against a Clinton!  http://www.wnd.com/2016/07/top-8-similarities-between-trump-and-reagan/ |
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The human psyche is kind of funny. We seem to find highly offensive things that are against our political leanings. But we are strangely silent of offenses that are with our leanings. There have been numerous posts on here of dogs shitting on the picture of the president, of the First Lady depicted as a man in drag. But no inklings of disgust. We as a society seem to be very accepting of disgusting things that are on "our side".
I was reminded of this thread while watching one of the morning TeeVee "news" shows this morning. They had that guy that looks like the puppet-master from 1960's Marvel comics on:  He has a new book out, there's a picture on the cover of an elephant with Donald Trump's head coming out of the elephant's rear end... That's how they all roll... -Mike |
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Having a "Ya' know, he just might be crazy enough to actually do it!" foreign policy worked pretty well the last time we tried it, with Reagan and the fall of the Soviet Union. There is NO comparison between this guy and Reagan. Chuck Norris disagrees with you... You don't want me to tell him you think he's wrong, do you? I mean, insulting Chuck Norris is ALMOST as dangerous as having damning evidence against a Clinton! http://www.wnd.com/2016/07/top-8-similarities-between-trump-and-reagan/Chuck Norris is a pussy. Caine from Kung Fu would have kicked his ass without breaking a sweat.  |
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« Reply #74 on: August 23, 2016, 08:39:24 AM » |
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The use of Some well placed tactical nukes in the Middle East might not be a bad idea. Feeling that the threat of us actually using nuclear weapons against them might cause, Terrorists, North Korea and some others to think twice before they commit their next act of aggression. One thing is for sure, having a president in office that they have NO REASON to fear doesn't work well. It never ceases to amaze me how some are so nonchalant about using nukes. I find it interesting that it's usually the low information types that call for that. Typical LIB response......... "If someone holds a different opinion from yours, then they must not be as INFORMED as you". The fact that liberals are always asserting superior intelligence over others would be really funny, if it wasn't so sad. The truth is that I have a better understanding than most Americans when it comes to the problems in the Middle East. I have personally observed how the people there live and conduct their daily lives. I have seen up close and personal the atrocities that they are capable of inflicting upon others including their own. I have also read and studied quite a bit about Islam. One should always know their enemies well, and make no mistake about it Islam is our enemy. There are plenty of places in this world that I would not advocate the use of nukes. The Middle East is NOT one of them. Specifically, I think we would benefit from some well distributed Neutron bombs among their general population. |
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