Vote hillary to continue this into single payer complete govt control

[98valk]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/white-house-americans-pay-astronomical-091500724.html

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Columns/2016/09/30/How-Obamacare-Execs-Broke-Law-and-Cost-Taxpayers-Billions

[old2soon]

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO we're runnin out of other peoples money??  RIDE SAFE.

[MP]

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO we're runnin out of other peoples money??  RIDE SAFE.

I know I am sure running out of mine!  Between premium increases, and huge increases in deductibles, my total health cost has gone thru the roof!

[The emperor has no clothes]

I believe that the plan was for Obamacare to fail all along.  Then, as is happening now, the Libs cry for Single Payer.

Essentially EVERYTHING BAD that the Repubs said about Obamacare, are coming true.

Virtually NOTHING the Dems promised are coming true.

A complete and utter failure is occurring.

Obummer is now saying it is the Repubs fault, because they did not fix it!  What a joke. At some point, one should quit throwing good money after bad.

My premiums have sky rocketed. My deducts have gone thru the roof.  My coverage is less.

Yet, the Dems keep telling me what a success that is!

Many "Libs" have been calling for single payer for decades. 

[Serk]

I believe that the plan was for Obamacare to fail all along.  Then, as is happening now, the Libs cry for Single Payer.

Essentially EVERYTHING BAD that the Repubs said about Obamacare, are coming true.

Virtually NOTHING the Dems promised are coming true.

A complete and utter failure is occurring.

Obummer is now saying it is the Repubs fault, because they did not fix it!  What a joke. At some point, one should quit throwing good money after bad.

My premiums have sky rocketed. My deducts have gone thru the roof.  My coverage is less.

Yet, the Dems keep telling me what a success that is!

Many "Libs" have been calling for single payer for decades. 

The point being that Obamacare was designed from the beginning to be a trojan horse, to get in and bring the greatest health care system in history to it's knees, make it so bad that for fear of their very lives even non-"Libs" would start crying for a communist "single payer" system.

If communist healthcare is so awesome, they should have tried to sell it as it is, not this back handed, sneaky way of forcing it on us.

[czuch]

If they had allowed, "Cross state lines" it would have dropped in price and become competitive buyer's market. Cant do that though, it would have benefited the people, and business.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I believe that the plan was for Obamacare to fail all along.  Then, as is happening now, the Libs cry for Single Payer.

Essentially EVERYTHING BAD that the Repubs said about Obamacare, are coming true.

Virtually NOTHING the Dems promised are coming true.

A complete and utter failure is occurring.

Obummer is now saying it is the Repubs fault, because they did not fix it!  What a joke. At some point, one should quit throwing good money after bad.

My premiums have sky rocketed. My deducts have gone thru the roof.  My coverage is less.

Yet, the Dems keep telling me what a success that is!

Many "Libs" have been calling for single payer for decades. 

The point being that Obamacare was designed from the beginning to be a trojan horse, to get in and bring the greatest health care system in history to it's knees, make it so bad that for fear of their very lives even non-"Libs" would start crying for a communist "single payer" system.

If communist healthcare is so awesome, they should have tried to sell it as it is, not this back handed, sneaky way of forcing it on us.

Not so, my Ex NSA friend. One thing many of us "Libs" find both positive and negative about Obama is he is a very practical politician. He knew the Affordable Care Act was the most he could hope to get passed. It was not a matter of a Trojan Horse but getting what you can when you can. Many of us would have liked more.

[Gavin_Sons]

I believe that the plan was for Obamacare to fail all along.  Then, as is happening now, the Libs cry for Single Payer.

Essentially EVERYTHING BAD that the Repubs said about Obamacare, are coming true.

Virtually NOTHING the Dems promised are coming true.

A complete and utter failure is occurring.

Obummer is now saying it is the Repubs fault, because they did not fix it!  What a joke. At some point, one should quit throwing good money after bad.

My premiums have sky rocketed. My deducts have gone thru the roof.  My coverage is less.

Yet, the Dems keep telling me what a success that is!

Many "Libs" have been calling for single payer for decades. 

The point being that Obamacare was designed from the beginning to be a trojan horse, to get in and bring the greatest health care system in history to it's knees, make it so bad that for fear of their very lives even non-"Libs" would start crying for a communist "single payer" system.

If communist healthcare is so awesome, they should have tried to sell it as it is, not this back handed, sneaky way of forcing it on us.

Not so, my Ex NSA friend. One thing many of us "Libs" find both positive and negative about Obama is he is a very practical politician. He knew the Affordable Care Act was the most he could hope to get passed. It was not a matter of a Trojan Horse but getting what you can when you can. Many of us would have liked more.

  oh Meathead, you're so blind, very practical my ass 

[Serk]

Not so, my Ex NSA friend. One thing many of us "Libs" find both positive and negative about Obama is he is a very practical politician. He knew the Affordable Care Act was the most he could hope to get passed. It was not a matter of a Trojan Horse but getting what you can when you can. Many of us would have liked more.

The twist here is, do you really think He thought Obamacare would work, or did He bring it about specifically because He knew it wouldn't?

While I do think He and his ilk are pure evil from the deepest depths of hell, I do NOT think they are stupid. They knew exactly what they were doing, and sold us a bill of goods, counting on the ignorance of their supporters to prop it up long enough for it to explode and bring our healthcare system to ruin, just in time for them to swoop in with their commiecare system to save us all...

[The emperor has no clothes]

Not so, my Ex NSA friend. One thing many of us "Libs" find both positive and negative about Obama is he is a very practical politician. He knew the Affordable Care Act was the most he could hope to get passed. It was not a matter of a Trojan Horse but getting what you can when you can. Many of us would have liked more.

The twist here is, do you really think He thought Obamacare would work, or did He bring it about specifically because He knew it wouldn't?

While I do think He and his ilk are pure evil from the deepest depths of hell, I do NOT think they are stupid. They knew exactly what they were doing, and sold us a bill of goods, counting on the ignorance of their supporters to prop it up long enough for it to explode and bring our healthcare system to ruin, just in time for them to swoop in with their commiecare system to save us all...

Well once again we have diametrically opposed opinions. I think he got the most he could at the time, with the hope that future generations would improve on it. Much as Social Security and Medicare were done. I don't think he is "pure evil" at all. I've noticed with people it makes it easier to oppose everything about the other side when we label them evil or call them Hitler, etc.

[3fan4life]

I've noticed with people it makes it easier to oppose everything about the other side when we label them evil or call them Hitler, etc.

I don't think that he is a bad as Hitler either.

I do think that he would like to be.

[G-Man]

He got what he could.........

But what is it that he got?  The ACA had nothing to do with healthcare.  It was an insurance reshuffle which included covering kids on parent's plan until 26 and the no dropping of chronically ill patients.

It didn't bring down the costs of anything.  It surely has brought down the use of the system by making it too expensive to use in many cases, but a CT scan is still expensive, a tylenol tablet in the hospital still costs $5, and a cardiologist still drives a Mercedes Benz.

The more I see from inside the industry, I have no idea what it was all about.  They cried that there were 30 million people without insurance, which was bullshit to begin with.  Then when Bernie was running, he was crying 29 million were uninsured.  So all that crap to insure 1 million? ? ? ? ? ?

The law doesn't go after anything that makes healthcare expensive to begin with.  Mostly lawsuits and regulations.  No, nobody wants un safe healthcare, yadda, yadda, yadda.  But the regulations and costs to comply with the regulations are INSANE. 

I fear what will be next.  I don't know how some don't.  Right now, if my father broke a hip, he'd be in surgery tonight.  Add a week, or a month, or never, under a single payer regime.

I know, I know, the Democrats know how to do it right?  Any other terrorist countries out there want to make a nuclear arms deal that will put you on the right path to world terror dominance? 

[Serk]

Well once again we have diametrically opposed opinions. I think he got the most he could at the time, with the hope that future generations would improve on it. Much as Social Security and Medicare were done. I don't think he is "pure evil" at all. I've noticed with people it makes it easier to oppose everything about the other side when we label them evil or call them Hitler, etc.

From Hitler's and his follower's point of view, he wasn't pure evil either. He was just doing the best he could, trying to help his country and his people.

I'm sure in Obama's mind he's "helping" his country get better. It's just his definition of "better" and mine are very VERY different.

So in his mind, I can agree he thinks he's helping, but from my point of view, he's pure evil, working to destroy the greatest civilization in history.

But you might see things differently.

(Disclaimer - I'm not Godwin's Law'ing myself, I'm not saying Obama == Hitler, blah blah blah, you brought Hitler up so I just continued the analogy along those lines.)

[f6john]

    The main points to remember are, " if you like your plan you can keep your plan, and if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor" all the while maintaining a crap-eating grin on your face and having your Congressional ramrod tell us that "we have to pass the bill in order to know what is in the bill".

    Hilliary has proven she is above the law so we will only have more of the same.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Well once again we have diametrically opposed opinions. I think he got the most he could at the time, with the hope that future generations would improve on it. Much as Social Security and Medicare were done. I don't think he is "pure evil" at all. I've noticed with people it makes it easier to oppose everything about the other side when we label them evil or call them Hitler, etc.

From Hitler's and his follower's point of view, he wasn't pure evil either. He was just doing the best he could, trying to help his country and his people.

I'm sure in Obama's mind he's "helping" his country get better. It's just his definition of "better" and mine are very VERY different.

So in his mind, I can agree he thinks he's helping, but from my point of view, he's pure evil, working to destroy the greatest civilization in history.

But you might see things differently.

(Disclaimer - I'm not Godwin's Law'ing myself, I'm not saying Obama == Hitler, blah blah blah, you brought Hitler up so I just continued the analogy along those lines.)

I gotcha. I brought it up because many used to compare Bush to Hitler. They usually compare Obama to the Devil. 

[98valk]

Well once again we have diametrically opposed opinions. I think he got the most he could at the time, with the hope that future generations would improve on it. Much as Social Security and Medicare were done. I don't think he is "pure evil" at all. I've noticed with people it makes it easier to oppose everything about the other side when we label them evil or call them Hitler, etc.

From Hitler's and his follower's point of view, he wasn't pure evil either. He was just doing the best he could, trying to help his country and his people.

I'm sure in Obama's mind he's "helping" his country get better. It's just his definition of "better" and mine are very VERY different.

So in his mind, I can agree he thinks he's helping, but from my point of view, he's pure evil, working to destroy the greatest civilization in history.

But you might see things differently.

(Disclaimer - I'm not Godwin's Law'ing myself, I'm not saying Obama == Hitler, blah blah blah, you brought Hitler up so I just continued the analogy along those lines.)

obama is a muslim and follows their cult book which tells them the world is to be rules by muslims and sharia law. America needs to wake up, like Britain and Europe are finally doing. May God have mercy on us that we are not too late.

[Roadog]

. I've noticed with people it makes it easier to oppose everything about the other side when we label them evil or call them Hitler, etc.
[/quote]

   You mean like " deplorables " .....


Roadog

[Moonshot_1]

[/quote]Well once again we have diametrically opposed opinions. I think he got the most he could at the time, with the hope that future generations would improve on it. Much as Social Security and Medicare were done. I don't think he is "pure evil" at all. I've noticed with people it makes it easier to oppose everything about the other side when we label them evil or call them Hitler, etc.
[/quote]

You mentioned earlier that there are "some Libs" that are for the single payer concept.

I don't believe it is just "some". Single payer is the goal when it comes to health care for the liberal side of the political spectrum.

They could not get there from pre-Obamacare days. The political rift was way too wide.

Not so wide now is it?

Obamacare created a health care system so convoluted that it will have to be "fixed" or entirely replaced. For the liberal side, this is a hop, skip and jump to single payer right now. Elect them and we'll be there within the next two presidential terms.

[98valk]

Well once again we have diametrically opposed opinions. I think he got the most he could at the time, with the hope that future generations would improve on it. Much as Social Security and Medicare were done. I don't think he is "pure evil" at all. I've noticed with people it makes it easier to oppose everything about the other side when we label them evil or call them Hitler, etc.
[/quote]

You mentioned earlier that there are "some Libs" that are for the single payer concept.

I don't believe it is just "some". Single payer is the goal when it comes to health care for the liberal side of the political spectrum.

They could not get there from pre-Obamacare days. The political rift was way too wide.

Not so wide now is it?

Obamacare created a health care system so convoluted that it will have to be "fixed" or entirely replaced. For the liberal side, this is a hop, skip and jump to single payer right now. Elect them and we'll be there within the next two presidential terms.
[/quote]

remember President hillary's health care program with national ID cards when she
masqueraded as the First Lady?  she gets elected, her first yr or is that 9th yr?, we will have single payer govt controlled health care IMO.

[dinosnake]

What did you expect?  A system, created with the appeasement of a for-profit group (the modern American health care system), to actually LOWER costs while allowing unregulated profits to be shuffled into private pockets??

We've got people screaming for "free enterprise!"...and then those same people screaming when the free enterprise medical business hike drug prices by 5,000%, just because they can.

Somehow, in this fantasy world, a lack of regulation means that everyone will hold hands, sing kumbaya, and only act honestly and with benefit to the greater whole of society.  Because, after all, "the free market will punish you" for wrongs, only the poor "steal from society", and CEO's never get golden parachutes with no responsibility taken.

The "greatest health care system in the world"?  Odd it can be considered that: a system that only a percentage of the population can afford even using lest you accrue bills that can BANKRUPT you, and a system that, if left to the devices of certain people of certain religious beliefs, wouldn't allow legal pregnancy terminations under the guise of "pro life!" but, once said infant is born, COMPLETELY WASHES THEIR HANDS OF THE RESPONSIBILITY.  Had a baby who needs medical attention, but can't afford it?  Use Medicare.  

While we complain about social benefits costs.

But can't qualify for Medicare and can't afford health coverage?  

Oh well, too bad, you're on your own!

But, remember...we CARE for life!
_______________________________

We're still the only "first world" nation that fails to cover all individuals.  Yet, that's seen as good because...we've kept Big Pharma in business!  At least we still allow profits while people deal with their personal difficulties of their health issues.  

Must always remember what's important!

...

America, you KEEP GETTING EXACTLY WHAT YOU DESERVE.

[art]

I think you mean medicaid not medicare. Medicare is for seniors. I've been real lucky, at 59 lost my job and med ins. and due to good health skipped it until I reached 62 and got medicare and a supplement with Health net. My wife did the same thing. She had a few medical problems but we managed until she got medicare. It had no premium's  until last year. now the charge is $25 a month with good coverage. A few years ago I had a mild heart attack,gall bladder removal and a bad infection from bad well water all within a week an half. The total cost was a few hundred dollars. Biggest cost was the ambulance for three calls. Never had obama care that's where I've been lucky.

[Serk]

Yeah, communist health care is great...

Oh wait...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/02/obese-patients-and-smokers-banned-from-all-routine-operations-by/

[MP]

What did you expect?  A system, created with the appeasement of a for-profit group (the modern American health care system), to actually LOWER costs while allowing unregulated profits to be shuffled into private pockets??

We've got people screaming for "free enterprise!"...and then those same people screaming when the free enterprise medical business hike drug prices by 5,000%, just because they can.

Somehow, in this fantasy world, a lack of regulation means that everyone will hold hands, sing kumbaya, and only act honestly and with benefit to the greater whole of society.  Because, after all, "the free market will punish you" for wrongs, only the poor "steal from society", and CEO's never get golden parachutes with no responsibility taken.

The "greatest health care system in the world"?  Odd it can be considered that: a system that only a percentage of the population can afford even using lest you accrue bills that can BANKRUPT you, and a system that, if left to the devices of certain people of certain religious beliefs, wouldn't allow legal pregnancy terminations under the guise of "pro life!" but, once said infant is born, COMPLETELY WASHES THEIR HANDS OF THE RESPONSIBILITY.  Had a baby who needs medical attention, but can't afford it?  Use Medicare.  

While we complain about social benefits costs.

But can't qualify for Medicare and can't afford health coverage?  

Oh well, too bad, you're on your own!

But, remember...we CARE for life!
_______________________________

We're still the only "first world" nation that fails to cover all individuals.  Yet, that's seen as good because...we've kept Big Pharma in business!  At least we still allow profits while people deal with their personal difficulties of their health issues.  

Must always remember what's important!

...

America, you KEEP GETTING EXACTLY WHAT YOU DESERVE.

Just remember.  This is EXACTLY the system the Democrats,  Democrats, put into place!  The Republicans wanted to put MORE competition between companies and between the states, and offer MORE choices.  The DEMOCRATS said NO!  The system we have now is WHOLLY a product of the DEMOCRATS!

The Democrats went to the health industry, and working WITH THEM, came up with this system! Why did the Democrats basically let the hospitals, insurance companies, and pharma write the bill?

[Alpha Dog]

Well it seems the consensus here is we got Grubered.  Remember back two years ago when the tapes of speeches he made basically laid out how stupid Americans were.  ( I will say enough Americans, the astute ones were onto the game from the start ).   This plan was also a way to get taxes inbedded into the program.  A couple to 3 days a week I am able to listen to Herman Cain in the am and for years there are folks calling in to tell about the horrors of their ACA program.  But hey the Dems say we got a fire going on.  Now if we can just get some more gasoline to throw on that fire we can knock it out.

I am lucky enough to have a great program through the wife's  job, and the first time in my life this past year I needed it.  But for how long?

[..]

Uh Oh Bill opened his mouth.

Watch video titled "craziest thing in the world".

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/04/politics/bill-clinton-obamacare-craziest-thing/index.html

[Serk]

Uh Oh Bill opened his mouth.

Watch video titled "craziest thing in the world".

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/04/politics/bill-clinton-obamacare-craziest-thing/index.html

That wasn't an accident or a slip of the tongue.

They're just preparing us for the push for communist healthcare...

[dinosnake]

The sad reality of the state of our "greatest health care system"

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-07/pregnant-women-in-america-die-more-often-than-in-iran-and-it-s-getting-worse

We had lots of competition before ACA, many companies in it for themselves.  You, or just as likely, your employer, shopped all the independents for the "best deal".  The problem before wasn't that health care wasn't available, the problem was that very few could afford the luxury.  Most people who stated that they "had health care" were actually acquiring the care via membership in the group policy of their employer - that is, health care was either a full or partial benefit associated with their paycheck. 

ACA was hoping to fix that, but it has problems: the problem that the foundations of the system are still for-profit.  So Big Pharma has absolutely no reason to reign in costs of medications to patients, because it's all about their bottom line.  Hospitals have absolutely no reason to stop charging $30 for a Tylenol tablet, because it's all about their bottom line.

And so it cascades, everyone adding in costs for their exclusive benefit until the customer - us - can't afford to even think about calling a doctor, let alone actually going to one!

Big Medicine has become Big Business: one of the most dramatic changes in our lifetimes was the change by hospitals to a for-profit profile.  You parents, and you as a child, mostly went to hospital decades ago that operated with more public benefit, they operated at a minimal profit to themselves while the doctors remained the well paid service suppliers.  But then hospitals fully privatized, issued stocks as part of a corporate "health care system", and when they don't post both profits and dividends, heads roll.

[MP]

The sad reality of the state of our "greatest health care system"

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-07/pregnant-women-in-america-die-more-often-than-in-iran-and-it-s-getting-worse

We had lots of competition before ACA, many companies in it for themselves.  You, or just as likely, your employer, shopped all the independents for the "best deal".  The problem before wasn't that health care wasn't available, the problem was that very few could afford the luxury.  Most people who stated that they "had health care" were actually acquiring the care via membership in the group policy of their employer - that is, health care was either a full or partial benefit associated with their paycheck. 

"We had lots of competition before ACA"    BINGO!  And, the Dems got rid of it!

"very few could afford the luxury"     I remember the figure of 30 million being thrown around as the number of Americans without health insurance, which was the reason for ACA.  We have some 330 million in the US, so that means about 10% without health insurance? Correct?  That is far from "very few".  Actually, that is "the vast majority".

So, ACA RUINED a lot of things, for the 300 million that were covered, to try to get 30 million covered?  WOW!

I hear the figure now that 28 million are STILL uninsured!  If true, that means 300 million got all screwed up, to get 2 million insurance?  Sounds like typical Dem gov't program.