I love Indiana

[Psychotic Bovine]

I was running late this morning, so I kind of hammered my Accord Coupe when I got onto the Maplecrest bridge over the rail yard.   I slowed down when I crossed Lake Ave and noticed this car on my bumper, so I sped up a bit.  I looked closer and saw it was a white Dodge Charger.  I immediately thought “F***” then the lights all came on.
I pulled over quickly, rolled the window down, put both hands on the wheel, and waited.  He came up and immediately said the reason he pulled me over was I was doing 62 in a 45. I told him before we get any further, I need to inform him I have a firearm in the console under my stereo.  He said, “good for you, that is your right, just keep it there for now.”  Then asked for my license and registration.  He took them and came back a brief time later.  He handed my things back and said he recognized my last name from the Fort Wayne Revolver and Rifle Club.  He then asked what kind of firearm I had, I told him a .357 magnum. He said, “very good.”  Then he said, “what is the decal on the back window, looks like a flintlock hammer and an ar-15 hammer together."  I explained to him it was for a company called “Modern Musket” and the thought was that even though the technology changed, the 2nd Amendment right is still the same.  He said, “Absolutely!  Keep it at the speed limit and have a good day.”  I thanked him, of course.

I love Indiana.

[Dave Ritsema]

Yep, the Hoosier state has some great folks living in it.

I was in MO last year, just got off the Interstate and found myself in a speed trap. Got pulled over by a state trouper there and did the same thing you did. (My .45 was in the console as well.)  This was some young kid, cocky and clearly not happy I had a gun in the car. Wrote me the first ticket I have gotten in over 30 years for 6 mph over.

That's pretty much the last time I plan on being in MO.

[solo1]

Chris ,was it New Haven police or State police?  I doubt if it was Ft. Wayne, they don't have Chargers.

I could readily understand if it was New Haven for obvious reasons.

[Psychotic Bovine]

Indiana State Police.

[solo1]

 

[Valkorado]

Great!    

Now, about that lead foot...

[solo1]

And the clockwise rolling action of the right wrist.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I hate getting tickets. And knock on wood it's been a few years. But I'm curious about a couple things. It seems the implication is that you got off because he recognized your family from the gun club ? Also is there a big difference in the way a State Police Officer and the City Police respond ?

[Psychotic Bovine]

I would say I got out of the ticket because I was a member of the gun club.  And have a fairly clean driving record.
No idea if state and city are different.
And i'm a 2nd Amendment supporter, and not an a-hole to police.

[RDAbull]

Born and raised in Rensselaer.  Grandad was a retired Jasper County Sherriff.  He gave me his Colt .45 for my 21st birthday and told me to get my CCP, so I did that day.  Back then all you had to do was get a signed card from the Sherriff or the Chief of Police if you lived in the city limits.
I have had a permit since that day.
I have been in Ohio for going on 40 years now but still consider myself a misplaced Hoosier.
Weeb Ewbank (born and raised in Richmond) told me several times over the years that I knew him that "Hoosiers are the friendliest people in the world"  I agree!

[cookiedough]

good story, we need more police like this in the country,  although over 60 mph in a 45 mph speed zone most often you will get a ticket regardless of who stopped you.  Good day to be a gun owner!

The next yuppie small town north of me 5 miles you do not DARE go over 40 mph in a 35 mph speed zone even though is the main hwy. thru the county, just more yuppie developed buildings all over.  He patrols that entire road ALL DAY long just sitting there handing out dozens of tickets daily.  Money maker for sure for them.  

My dad a long time ago got pulled over in next small hicktown heading out into the country on the outskirts of town still 25 mph zone though but near country able to do 55 mph soon for doing 32 mph in a 25 zone.  NO ticket, but got lucky because the local small town cop was a jerk.

Only time I got pulled over was in my hometown not because of speeding, but because of the 1 million times literally at the main drag downtown stop sign, the local young gung-ho part time wanna be cop wanted to play dirty harry and pull me over for rolling like I always do at that stop sign not coming to a complete stop but at most 1-2 mph thru it.   No ticket since clean driving record running my plates, but I told the part time cop pushing 22 years old I, along with 99% of the others in town,  have done the same thing at the same stop sign since viewing all over is very good at that intersection.  Also found out afterwards by asking several locals,  that same cop has done the same thing pulling over locals dozens of times.  Yes,  stop mean stop basically when stopped, you feel your vehicle lurch back just a tad from stopping, but see no reason since what I did is really not a YIELD.  We have yield signs in town as well and I feel those are rolling on thru say 4-5 mph or so.  I have at times rolled thru a stop sign like a yield, but then that to me is illegal, but not what I did that one time he pulled me over darn near coming to a complete stop.    Others will disagree, but my town is 1 mile wide/long total with 1100 people so not like much traffic ever.  I have seen tons worse people rolling on thru stop signs doing near 7-8 mph in town and then that to me is reason for stopping.

[solo1]

Meathead, LEO's enforce the ordinances. They, too are human, and they can use discretion in who and when they issue tickets so your question can't be answered, too many variables.

My opinion (notice I said opinion) is that Indiana is a laid back state when it comes to the 2nd Amendment and LEOs'.  Common sense rules, for the most part. No, I can't prove it but I like Indiana too.

[Jess from VA]

I have had both positive and negative reactions from an officer pulling me over and informing him of my CCW firearm.  We do not have a statutory duty to inform of a CCW in VA, but experience shows me if you do not inform them at their first approach, they are highly pissed off when it comes up on their computer, and you are getting the ticket no matter what when they come back the 2d time.

Getting a pass (for anything) from VA State Troopers is so rare, if it happens you should immediately go buy a lottery ticket.  They are also the most well trained and professional police you will ever encounter (every one of them has the spit and polish and demeanor of a career NCO).  With everyone else, it's a tossup.  Being nice and polite and not arguing (and showing your military ID) may get you a break, or not.

Also, though I only get pulled over once every few years, I have noticed a bit of softening of attitude in my advancing years (bald with pure white chin hair).  It's actually a bit insulting to be so old they think you really cannot be any risk to them.     (still, do not call them sonny... they don't like it)    

[The emperor has no clothes]

Meathead, LEO's enforce the ordinances. They, too are human, and they can use discretion in who and when they issue tickets so your question can't be answered, too many variables.

My opinion (notice I said opinion) is that Indiana is a laid back state when it comes to the 2nd Amendment and LEOs'.  Common sense rules, for the most part. No, I can't prove it but I like Indiana too.

Gotcha. I wrongly inferred that the City cops would react differently than the State cops. All cops use their discretion. I'm sure I've been cut loose because I was polite and answered their questions many times. It just seems that it's unfair that it's the luck of the draw on who you get.

[Gryphon Rider]

My dad a long time ago got pulled over in next small hicktown heading out into the country on the outskirts of town still 25 mph zone though but near country able to do 55 mph soon for doing 32 mph in a 25 zone.  NO ticket, but got lucky because the local small town cop was a jerk.

Only time I got pulled over was in my hometown not because of speeding, but because of the 1 million times literally at the main drag downtown stop sign, the local young gung-ho part time wanna be cop wanted to play dirty harry and pull me over for rolling like I always do at that stop sign not coming to a complete stop but at most 1-2 mph thru it.   No ticket since clean driving record running my plates, but I told the part time cop pushing 22 years old I, along with 99% of the others in town,  have done the same thing at the same stop sign since viewing all over is very good at that intersection.  Also found out afterwards by asking several locals,  that same cop has done the same thing pulling over locals dozens of times.

And you've said before that you got a warning, not a ticket, for your rolling "stop".

It seems that if a cop is going to pull over someone from the cookiedough family, they might as well issue a ticket, rather than a warning, because the cookiedoughs are going to carry a grudge about it for years (or decades) anyway. 

[3fan4life]

I have had both positive and negative reactions from an officer pulling me over and informing him of my CCW firearm.  We do not have a statutory duty to inform of a CCW in VA, but experience shows me if you do not inform them at their first approach, they are highly pissed off when it comes up on their computer, and you are getting the ticket no matter what when they come back the 2d time.

Getting a pass (for anything) from VA State Troopers is so rare, if it happens you should immediately go buy a lottery ticket.  They are also the most well trained and professional police you will ever encounter (every one of them has the spit and polish and demeanor of a career NCO).  With everyone else, it's a tossup.  Being nice and polite and not arguing (and showing your military ID) may get you a break, or not.

Also, though I only get pulled over once every few years, I have noticed a bit of softening of attitude in my advancing years (bald with pure white chin hair).  It's actually a bit insulting to be so old they think you really cannot be any risk to them.      (still, do not call them sonny... they don't like it)   

My experience has also been that the VSP are the most professional police officers in our state.

As far as a CCP it seems to be hit and miss.

I have seen officers become total a holes to someone because they had a CCP.


Relations between law enforcement and the public in general have become very strained.

My wfe was pulled over on the BRP last week (it was raining and her lights weren't on).

As she told me about the encounter, I couldn't believe how reckless the officer's behavior was.

I know some of the local park rangers and intend to talk with them about their colleaugue and her behavior.

In my oppinion this person is a high risk for shooting an innocent unarmed citizen.

[Gryphon Rider]

My wfe was pulled over on the BRP last week (it was raining and her lights weren't on).

Is that a law?  Lights on when raining?

[old2soon]

Yep, the Hoosier state has some great folks living in it.

I was in MO last year, just got off the Interstate and found myself in a speed trap. Got pulled over by a state trouper there and did the same thing you did. (My .45 was in the console as well.)  This was some young kid, cocky and clearly not happy I had a gun in the car. Wrote me the first ticket I have gotten in over 30 years for 6 mph over.

That's pretty much the last time I plan on being in MO.

               As I happen to live in the Great Sate of Missouri I feel I need to say something. SOMETHING!   Here in Missouri I have received more verbal warnings for "speed" transgressions than the paper variety. I've talked with Many M H P Officers and most of them would appreciate being informed early on whether I'm carrying or not.   May of this year heading up to my brothers place in illinois a county sheriff gave me a high speed driving award. Had I met him stead of him coming up on my 6 the cage(s) ahead of me would have gotten the paper.   I believe it was Sangamon county. Russ-Wiggy,com-informed me they DO fill their quotas!   RIDE SAFE.

[old2soon]

My wfe was pulled over on the BRP last week (it was raining and her lights weren't on).

Is that a law?  Lights on when raining?

         Here in Missouri It's-Lights ON when using wipers. BUT much like phone use while aiming not enforced very much.  RIDE SAFE.

[Jess from VA]

My wfe was pulled over on the BRP last week (it was raining and her lights weren't on).

Is that a law?  Lights on when raining?

In VA, yes.  If your wipers are on, your lights must be on.

In my cages, I run my factory fogs in daylight rain (unless it's really dark), less glare for everyone, and fogs are compliant with the law.  

[3fan4life]

My wfe was pulled over on the BRP last week (it was raining and her lights weren't on).

Is that a law?  Lights on when raining?

In VA, yes.  If your wipers are on, your lights must be on.

In my cages, I run my factory fogs in daylight rain (unless it's really dark), less glare for everyone, and fogs are compliant with the law.  

Her car has DRL's that should've been on.

It also has automatic headlights but they can be cut off.

She usually keeps them in the auto mode, the car was recently serviced by the dealer and the technician must have turned them off.

She was operating under the assumption that they had came on automatically.

The ranger let her go with a warning, but the manner in which she acted during the traffic stop was very disturbing indeed.

What I told my wife was that "ANYONE" who seems that scared to do their job, shouldn't be.

[Gryphon Rider]

The ranger let her go with a warning, but the manner in which she acted during the traffic stop was very disturbing indeed.

What I told my wife was that "ANYONE" who seems that scared to do their job, shouldn't be.

Okay, I'll bite; How did your wife act that was disturbing?  And I agree, if driving for her job is so scary, maybe she should find a job where she doesn't need to drive.

[MarkT]

This summer on my return from Inzane a Kansas SP asked if I was carrying, I said yes and opened the cover, he took it and my papers back to his patrol.  10 minutes later he thanked me several times for being a responsible citizen and practicing at the range (assumption) and carrying, shook my hand twice - he initiated - said I was carrying a fine handgun (yeah I know, .357 j-frame with green laser grips), said I was going to save some lives someday.  Then HANDED ME A TICKET for a (slow) rolling stop.  I had told him, I was dead tired, left Kentucky this morning, with this heavy bike and trailer if I stop and put my foot down in sand it's gonna drop and it's too heavy to pick up.  Apparently he had a quota to fill but figured the sweet talk would lesson it.  BTW Kansas has "Constitutional Carry" initiated last year I believe.  You don't need a permit though I have one and there's reciprocity. I had told him, I'm on my third 5-yr CCW and in those 13 years none of my guns have decided to blast anybody.  They must be defective.  He thought that was humorous.  And gave me the $180 ticket.

[fudgie]

Being a medic has a lot of advantages when getting pulled over. 

When I got stopped a few Decembers in SD he let me open carry as I sat in his car. 

[scooperhsd]

My wfe was pulled over on the BRP last week (it was raining and her lights weren't on).

Is that a law?  Lights on when raining?

It is in NC - Wipers on means Lights on - period. I believe it is for VA as well, but as I don't live there now, I can't say for sure.

[3fan4life]

The ranger let her go with a warning, but the manner in which she acted during the traffic stop was very disturbing indeed.

What I told my wife was that "ANYONE" who seems that scared to do their job, shouldn't be.

Okay, I'll bite; How did your wife act that was disturbing?  And I agree, if driving for her job is so scary, maybe she should find a job where she doesn't need to drive.

The she was the Ranger that pulled her over.

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

Agree, I love Indiana too. My experiences have been similar, with the exception of small town local cops when I was a long haired teen. 

A friend and customer got pulled over recently and the LEO elected to take my buds 1911 with him back to the car. When he came back with his pistol and a warning ticket the burnt bronze 1911 we had recently Cerakoted for him sparked quite a conversation and they parted ways with smiles, just as it should be.

[Rams]

It just seems that it's unfair that it's the luck of the draw on who you get.

I thought the same thing when I got a ticket for speeding (years ago) on New Circle Rd in Lexington, KY.   I was whining to the officer about getting pulled over and his response was, I can't pull them all over but, I got you.    Hard to argue with that. 

BTW, I was speeding, paid the ticket and moved on.