At what point?

[Daddie O]

Just curious, but at what point will conservatives feel duped by the Donald?  When he fills his cabinet with lobbyists?  When he decides not to repeal Obamacare?  When he says there won't be a deportation force?  What about when he says there won't be a wall built?  What about when he continues to let Muslim immigrants in?  How about when he appoints a moderate to the Supreme Court that will not overturn Roe v Wade?  If you see our debt climb after he gives tax breaks, will you be as vociferous in your opposition to our increasing debt as you were under Obama?

[sleepngbear]

And you know this is all going to come to pass... how? Don't we have enough crap to deal with from the other side at the moment before we jump off with unlikely eventualities with his side?

[Daddie O]

I'm no fortune teller, I'm just curious about the thought process of those on the right.  Trump is someone who bragged he could shoot someone and not lose any votes.  I wonder if he changes many of the policies he promised would he lose any support from the right or not?

[LandElephant]

Just as disappointed as democrats should be about the failed "Hope and Change"  that was promised by Barack Obama.

Stir the crap all you want but at least take the blinders off.

Land Elephant

[Psychotic Bovine]

I'm no fortune teller, I'm just curious about the thought process of those on the right.  Trump is someone who bragged he could shoot someone and not lose any votes.  I wonder if he changes many of the policies he promised would he lose any support from the right or not?

Actually, you made a comment a few years ago that Hillary would be president in 2016.
Yeah, that came true.
Just admit it, all of this "duped by Trump" business is your trying to wrap your head around that HRC got freaking trounced.  The press, the pundits, the pollsters, and you.  All wrong.  Completely.
Congrats to Hillary!  She managed what no one else could.  She got the GOP into the presidency.  And, might I add, the GOP controls the House and Senate.  And 3 more governors for 34 total states.
And soon, very soon, conservatives will control the Supreme Court.

But, I digress!  Let's set the Wayback Machine to May 16, 2013, Sherman!

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"Quote from: Daddie O on May 16, 2013, 16:15:02

Here is a newsflash, and it may come as a shocker.  Nobody of import or power really gives a crap about Bengazi and why talking points were changed.  Nobody gives a crap about the IRS looking more closely at tea party applications for tax exempt status.  You sure didn't care when the Bush administration was listening in on your phone calls without a warrant, so your feigned outrage over the justice dept. looking at AP phone records now feels shallow.  You democracy haters just can't get over losing an election, so you dig dig dig trying to find something, anything, that your delusional mind thinks can be "the downfall" of the Obama administration and the start of some impeachment process.  You. Lost. The Election.
  
A president getting a blowjob in the White House got far more interest because heck, it's a blowjob.  Since you couldn't get over the fact you lost that election you tried to impeach an acting president about lying about a blowjob.  Really, that's what you did.  An assistant director of the CIA changing a paragraph that mentions Al Quaeda in some talking points in order to not jeopardize an ongoing FBI investigation?  Can't you hear the collective American people's yawn?

Some of the wiser of the conservatives in this forum have it pegged right.  This will all fade away in a few weeks or less if something more interesting comes up.  In the 24hr news cycle they need something, and nothing but positive economic news doesn't have the ratings that "controversy" or tragedy has.

In the meantime, let's all enjoy the prosperity that comes with the Obama administration, and look forward to it's continuance under President Hillary Clinton."

[Oss]

Actually the 2 policies Trump would like to keep are not
ones which only benefit the "I want what you have" class

These 2 policies are designed to help those who may be the most needy of health care, those already suffering and those with kids not yet able to be totally on their own.

DaddyO the fact that Trump had met so long with Obama and announced this says about the health initiative confirms for me what I already knew of the man, that he is a quick study, that he is willing to listen and learn from everyone, that he can adapt where it is just and that he is NOT anything that you dread so deeply.

This is a man who picks up tidbits of knowledge from the lowest of the workers to the highest on the job by asking questions.  He is not a washington dc  know it all from doing nothing that we are used to

Give the man a chance, like I gave Obama 4 years (well almost 3 before I knew he was full of crap and lied about all of his promises)


Better yet, post a ride report

[Daddie O]

I'm no fortune teller, I'm just curious about the thought process of those on the right.  Trump is someone who bragged he could shoot someone and not lose any votes.  I wonder if he changes many of the policies he promised would he lose any support from the right or not?

Actually, you made a comment many years ago that Hillary would be president in 2016.
Yeah, that came true.
Just admit it, all of this "duped by Trump" business is your trying to wrap your head around that HRC got freaking trounced.  The press, the pundits, the pollsters, and you.  All wrong.  Completely.
Congrats to Hillary!  She managed what no one else could.  She got the GOP into the presidency.  And, might I add, the GOP controls the House and Senate.  And 3 more governors for 34 total states.
And soon, very soon, conservatives will control the Supreme Court.

I'm not trying to wrap my head around it.  I'm just trying to understand if it is even possible for Trump to lose your support based on anything he says or does.  I could see that Hillary was a deeply flawed candidate, but for different reasons than you might think.  I am not disappointed by Barack Obama at all, and I wish he could've run for a third term.  I don't want this to be a Hillary v Barack v Donald argument though.  I'm not trying to stir the pot.  I truly want to know, if Trump does not fulfill his campaign promises to you, will he lose your support?

[Psychotic Bovine]

I'm no fortune teller, I'm just curious about the thought process of those on the right.  Trump is someone who bragged he could shoot someone and not lose any votes.  I wonder if he changes many of the policies he promised would he lose any support from the right or not?

Actually, you made a comment many years ago that Hillary would be president in 2016.
Yeah, that came true.
Just admit it, all of this "duped by Trump" business is your trying to wrap your head around that HRC got freaking trounced.  The press, the pundits, the pollsters, and you.  All wrong.  Completely.
Congrats to Hillary!  She managed what no one else could.  She got the GOP into the presidency.  And, might I add, the GOP controls the House and Senate.  And 3 more governors for 34 total states.
And soon, very soon, conservatives will control the Supreme Court.

I'm not trying to wrap my head around it.  I'm just trying to understand if it is even possible for Trump to lose your support based on anything he says or does.  I could see that Hillary was a deeply flawed candidate, but for different reasons than you might think.  I am not disappointed by Barack Obama at all, and I wish he could've run for a third term.  I don't want this to be a Hillary v Barack v Donald argument though.  I'm not trying to stir the pot.  I truly want to know, if Trump does not fulfill his campaign promises to you, will he lose your support?

I wasn't a huge supporter of his, I just didn't want Hillary (just like a lot of people didn't want Trump).

And yes, I will hold him to the promises he made that I agree with.
Many years ago I voted for Jill Long, a democrat, for Congress.  She got in, and seemed to do a good job.  Then she missed a critical vote on something I believed in.  The majority of Indiana voted her out (including me). 

[f6gal]

Just curious, but at what point will conservatives feel duped by the Donald?  When he fills his cabinet with lobbyists?  When he decides not to repeal Obamacare?  When he says there won't be a deportation force?  What about when he says there won't be a wall built?  What about when he continues to let Muslim immigrants in?  How about when he appoints a moderate to the Supreme Court that will not overturn Roe v Wade?  If you see our debt climb after he gives tax breaks, will you be as vociferous in your opposition to our increasing debt as you were under Obama?

What many fail to realize is that the Supreme Court was on the ballot, maybe more so than Trump.
Could Trump appoint moderate justices?  Perhaps.  Wound Clinton appoint liberal justices?  Absolutely.  

So there is the crux of it for many voters. Trump may be an unknown, but Clinton is an absolute.  Trump can be thrown out in 4 years, but liberal Justices would be there for a generation, likely altering our constitution forever.

I don't think many people expect Roe v. Wade to be overturned.  However, to constitutionalist voters, ensuring that District of Columbia v. Heller is NOT overturned is far more important.

So, at what point?  If Trump appointed liberal justices, that would do it.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Just curious, but at what point will conservatives feel duped by the Donald?  When he fills his cabinet with lobbyists?  When he decides not to repeal Obamacare?  When he says there won't be a deportation force?  What about when he says there won't be a wall built?  What about when he continues to let Muslim immigrants in?  How about when he appoints a moderate to the Supreme Court that will not overturn Roe v Wade?  If you see our debt climb after he gives tax breaks, will you be as vociferous in your opposition to our increasing debt as you were under Obama?

What many fail to realize is that the Supreme Court was on the ballot, maybe more so than Trump.
Could Trump appoint moderate justices?  Perhaps.  Wound Clinton appoint liberal justices?  Absolutely.  

So there is the crux of it for many voters. Trump may be an unknown, but Clinton is an absolute.  Trump can be thrown out in 4 years, but Justices will be there for a generation.

I don't think many people expect Roe v. Wade to be overturned.  However, to constitutionalist voters, ensuring that District of Columbia v. Heller is NOT overturned is far more important.

So, at what point?  If Trump appointed liberal justices, that would do it.

So if he did the rest but appointed conservative judges, you would be ok ?

[f6gal]

So if he did the rest but appointed conservative judges, you would be ok ?

The question was when one would feel duped.  All the other issues are not isolated Trump decisions. In our checks and balances system of government, the president has 2 major powers... the power to say no (veto) and the power to appoint (and that still has to be approved by congress). For instance, if Trump wants to build a wall, but Congress says no, there won't be a wall.  Congress holds the purse strings.  An even better example is term limits... no way Congress will say yes to that.

[Rams]

I'm not trying to wrap my head around it.  I'm just trying to understand if it is even possible for Trump to lose your support based on anything he says or does.  I could see that Hillary was a deeply flawed candidate, but for different reasons than you might think.  I am not disappointed by Barack Obama at all, and I wish he could've run for a third term.  I don't want this to be a Hillary v Barack v Donald argument though.  I'm not trying to stir the pot.  I truly want to know, if Trump does not fulfill his campaign promises to you, will he lose your support?

What you need to understand is, myself and everyone that I know who voted, didn't vote for Trump.
They voted against Hillary, against her corruption, her lies, her email and embassy traitorous acts.    I still don't particularly care for Trump but, you Dems put up the one candidate that couldn't beat Trump.    Don't blame the rest of America for your decisions.  

Heck, if the DNC, Obama and other's hadn't done everything possible to beat Sanders, I'm not sure he couldn't have beat Trump.    So how much will it take to turn Trump fans against Trump.   Hard to say.   There is a line though.   One Clinton passed long ago.

I also agree that SCOTUS was at stake in this election.   Even more reason to be Anti-Clinton.   

[..]

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"Quote from: Daddie O on May 16, 2013, 16:15:02

Here is a newsflash, and it may come as a shocker.  Nobody of import or power really gives a crap about Bengazi and why talking points were changed.  Nobody gives a crap about the IRS looking more closely at tea party applications for tax exempt status.  You sure didn't care when the Bush administration was listening in on your phone calls without a warrant, so your feigned outrage over the justice dept. looking at AP phone records now feels shallow.  You democracy haters just can't get over losing an election, so you dig dig dig trying to find something, anything, that your delusional mind thinks can be "the downfall" of the Obama administration and the start of some impeachment process.  You. Lost. The Election.
  
A president getting a blowjob in the White House got far more interest because heck, it's a blowjob.  Since you couldn't get over the fact you lost that election you tried to impeach an acting president about lying about a blowjob.  Really, that's what you did.  An assistant director of the CIA changing a paragraph that mentions Al Quaeda in some talking points in order to not jeopardize an ongoing FBI investigation?  Can't you hear the collective American people's yawn?

Some of the wiser of the conservatives in this forum have it pegged right.  This will all fade away in a few weeks or less if something more interesting comes up.  In the 24hr news cycle they need something, and nothing but positive economic news doesn't have the ratings that "controversy" or tragedy has.

In the meantime, let's all enjoy the prosperity that comes with the Obama administration, and look forward to it's continuance under President Hillary Clinton."

Not often you see a troll hoisted by his own petard.  

[The emperor has no clothes]

So if he did the rest but appointed conservative judges, you would be ok ?

The question was when one would feel duped.  All the other issues are not isolated Trump decisions. in our checks and balances system of government, the president has 2 major powers... the power to say no (veto) and the power to appoint (and that still has to be approved by congress). For instance, if Trump wants to build a wall, but Congress says no, there won't be a wall.  Congress holds the purse strings.  An even better example is term limits... no way Congress will say yes to that.

ok, I get that.  But he does have a huge mandate, both the Senate and the House. I see no rational reason for him not to get the things he talked about.

[f6gal]

So if he did the rest but appointed conservative judges, you would be ok ?

The question was when one would feel duped.  All the other issues are not isolated Trump decisions. in our checks and balances system of government, the president has 2 major powers... the power to say no (veto) and the power to appoint (and that still has to be approved by congress). For instance, if Trump wants to build a wall, but Congress says no, there won't be a wall.  Congress holds the purse strings.  An even better example is term limits... no way Congress will say yes to that.

ok, I get that.   But he does have a huge mandate, both the Senate and the House. I see no rational reason for him not to get the things he talked about.

Republicans indeed won the Senate and House, which on the surface seems to bode well for Trump getting things done.  However, there are 2 problems with that:  
     1) Congressional members (even Rs) do not necessarily agree with everything on Trump's agenda.
     2) Rs do not hold a filibuster-proof majority.

[scooperhsd]

So if he did the rest but appointed conservative judges, you would be ok ?

The question was when one would feel duped.  All the other issues are not isolated Trump decisions. in our checks and balances system of government, the president has 2 major powers... the power to say no (veto) and the power to appoint (and that still has to be approved by congress). For instance, if Trump wants to build a wall, but Congress says no, there won't be a wall.  Congress holds the purse strings.  An even better example is term limits... no way Congress will say yes to that.

ok, I get that.  But he does have a huge mandate, both the Senate and the House. I see no rational reason for him not to get the things he talked about.

Details matter - he may get some of what he wants, but not necessarily all, even with both houses of Congress ( did I say Congress - I meant "(lack of) Progress" ) .

[Rams]

ok, I get that.  But he does have a huge mandate, both the Senate and the House. I see no rational reason for him not to get the things he talked about.

Setting up a "I told you so" or "Gotcha" for when something doesn't go as hoped?

Was reading an article this morning on AOL about what and why the DNC thinks Trump beat Clinton and how some are pushing for the DNC to move farther left because they feel that Clinton was too far right on some things.   They actually think that's why Clinton got beat!  

Hillary's lies, actions and behavior did influence many folks who voted for Trump but, that ignored group that elected President Elect Trump was not looking for a leftist.    I hope they do come up with another Far Left Candidate in four years.   That ignored and mostly silent group will speak again.
For some reason, many leftists don't understand personal responsibility and accountability.    I honestly don't understand where they come from.

[Moonshot_1]

This is Government. I can understand that in the course of events, promises may have to be abandoned. Perhaps a better solution, perhaps an insurmountable political obstacle. We have, after all, elected a President and not a King.

It isn't the abandoned and unkept promises I am concerned with, the question is does he abandon our principles.

On this, he will have every opportunity to champion them as he pursues the goals we send him to Washington for and to Make America Great Again.

As with everything, time will tell. I do expect to see great things though. Maybe not all at once but eventually and in the short, or at least shorter term.

But to do anything Congress must play ball here. They had better too. Opportunities like this don't come along too often.

[The emperor has no clothes]

So if he did the rest but appointed conservative judges, you would be ok ?

The question was when one would feel duped.  All the other issues are not isolated Trump decisions. in our checks and balances system of government, the president has 2 major powers... the power to say no (veto) and the power to appoint (and that still has to be approved by congress). For instance, if Trump wants to build a wall, but Congress says no, there won't be a wall.  Congress holds the purse strings.  An even better example is term limits... no way Congress will say yes to that.

ok, I get that.   But he does have a huge mandate, both the Senate and the House. I see no rational reason for him not to get the things he talked about.

Republicans indeed won the Senate and House, which on the surface seems to bode well for Trump getting things done.  However, there are 2 problems with that:  
     1) Congressional members (even Rs) do not necessarily agree with everything on Trump's agenda.
     2) Rs do not hold a filibuster-proof majority.

I agree not all R's are in agreement with him. But at this point I think it would be political suicide for any in his party to block him. I think if it's important to him he can get it. At least right now. A year from now could be a whole different story.

[The emperor has no clothes]

ok, I get that.  But he does have a huge mandate, both the Senate and the House. I see no rational reason for him not to get the things he talked about.

Setting up a "I told you so" or "Gotcha" for when something doesn't go as hoped?

Was reading an article this morning on AOL about what and why the DNC thinks Trump beat Clinton and how some are pushing for the DNC to move farther left because they feel that Clinton was too far right on some things.   They actually think that's why Clinton got beat!  

Hillary's lies, actions and behavior did influence many folks who voted for Trump but, that ignored group that elected President Elect Trump was not looking for a leftist.    I hope they do come up with another Far Left Candidate in four years.   That ignored and mostly silent group will speak again.
For some reason, many leftists don't understand personal responsibility and accountability.    I honestly don't understand where they come from.

Ron, give it a rest. She's gone. She lost. If you were asking me if I was setting up a "gotcha". Not at all. I'm just saying there should be no reason for him not to get the things done that he wants done.

[f6gal]

So if he did the rest but appointed conservative judges, you would be ok ?

The question was when one would feel duped.  All the other issues are not isolated Trump decisions. in our checks and balances system of government, the president has 2 major powers... the power to say no (veto) and the power to appoint (and that still has to be approved by congress). For instance, if Trump wants to build a wall, but Congress says no, there won't be a wall.  Congress holds the purse strings.  An even better example is term limits... no way Congress will say yes to that.

ok, I get that.   But he does have a huge mandate, both the Senate and the House. I see no rational reason for him not to get the things he talked about.

Republicans indeed won the Senate and House, which on the surface seems to bode well for Trump getting things done.  However, there are 2 problems with that:  
     1) Congressional members (even Rs) do not necessarily agree with everything on Trump's agenda.
     2) Rs do not hold a filibuster-proof majority.

I agree not all R's are in agreement with him. But at this point I think it would be political suicide for any in his party to block him. I think if it's important to him he can get it. At least right now. A year from now could be a whole different story.

I tend to agree that Rs will fall in line on many things (not everything).  However, to get something passed, they still need a filibuster-proof vote... which means getting some Ds on board.  I think it is more likely that Trump's policies will be tempered by Congress.  But, I also think that people who voted for Trump knew that when they voted.  

[The emperor has no clothes]

So if he did the rest but appointed conservative judges, you would be ok ?

The question was when one would feel duped.  All the other issues are not isolated Trump decisions. in our checks and balances system of government, the president has 2 major powers... the power to say no (veto) and the power to appoint (and that still has to be approved by congress). For instance, if Trump wants to build a wall, but Congress says no, there won't be a wall.  Congress holds the purse strings.  An even better example is term limits... no way Congress will say yes to that.

ok, I get that.   But he does have a huge mandate, both the Senate and the House. I see no rational reason for him not to get the things he talked about.

Republicans indeed won the Senate and House, which on the surface seems to bode well for Trump getting things done.  However, there are 2 problems with that:  
     1) Congressional members (even Rs) do not necessarily agree with everything on Trump's agenda.
     2) Rs do not hold a filibuster-proof majority.

I agree not all R's are in agreement with him. But at this point I think it would be political suicide for any in his party to block him. I think if it's important to him he can get it. At least right now. A year from now could be a whole different story.

I tend to agree that Rs will fall in line on many things (not everything).  However, to get something passed, they still need a filibuster-proof vote... which means getting some Ds on board.  I think it is more likely that Trump's policies will be tempered by Congress.  But, I also think that people who voted for Trump knew that when they voted.  

[Rams]

Ron, give it a rest. She's gone. She lost. If you were asking me if I was setting up a "gotcha". Not at all. I'm just saying there should be no reason for him not to get the things done that he wants done.

Be happy to do so but, pretty sure, there's a "Gotcha" coming at some if not several points.

[solo1]

As Connie mentioned and I agree, the most important thing to me was the SCOTUS.  Clinton was going to nominate Supreme Court judges who think that the the Constitution is a living document.  Advise and Consent would be a lame brain action by the Senate. When you combine that with the same policies that Obama acted on, Law by executive orders,  the checks and balances would be gone.

Fortunately, the frog finally jumped out of the hot water, the Deplorables have had enough of the power elite.

However, that hasn't stopped the pot stirrers and the trolls. 

To them i would say............We won!!!  get over it.  Any action from Trump will be more preferable than this crap that we have seen for eight years, and just maybe the wimpy Republicans will hold  feet to the fire, including Trump, if he steps out of line.

[Rams]

I truly want to know, if Trump does not fulfill his campaign promises to you, will he lose your support?

My guess is that as long as he attempts to fulfill his promises, he'll be supported.   I sincerely doubt Congress will support all of his goals.    But, that's OK.   I actually prefer a balanced Congress, one that can't do all that much damage.

[signart]

I have never talked to or know anybody that voted for Trump. Everyone I know voted against Hillary. I'm not glad that Trump will be president, but I am happy, happy, happy that Hillary is not ever going to be president and all that goes with that.

[Alberta Patriot]

Just curious, but at what point will conservatives feel duped by the Donald?  When he fills his cabinet with lobbyists?  When he decides not to repeal Obamacare?  When he says there won't be a deportation force?  What about when he says there won't be a wall built?  What about when he continues to let Muslim immigrants in?  How about when he appoints a moderate to the Supreme Court that will not overturn Roe v Wade?  If you see our debt climb after he gives tax breaks, will you be as vociferous in your opposition to our increasing debt as you were under Obama?

The alternative Universe that Liberals live in has an absolute lock on crying the blues...you people cannot get over yourselves...get a grip...you lost this one, but the Sun still rises every morning...
If you really can't get over Trump, maybe sit down with a bunch or your Liberal Friends and try and justify or track down where you think 11 Trillion Obama Dollars went to in 7 1/2 years.

[Fla. Jim]

[The emperor has no clothes]

Ron, give it a rest. She's gone. She lost. If you were asking me if I was setting up a "gotcha". Not at all. I'm just saying there should be no reason for him not to get the things done that he wants done.

Be happy to do so but, pretty sure, there's a "Gotcha" coming at some if not several points.

To be honest with you, I hope Trump does good. If he does good, the country does good. I think the OP asked a fair and interesting question. It would be a miracle if a president is able to get 100% of what he wants. But I think this first year is his to do with what he wants.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Just curious, but at what point will conservatives feel duped by the Donald?  When he fills his cabinet with lobbyists?  When he decides not to repeal Obamacare?  When he says there won't be a deportation force?  What about when he says there won't be a wall built?  What about when he continues to let Muslim immigrants in?  How about when he appoints a moderate to the Supreme Court that will not overturn Roe v Wade?  If you see our debt climb after he gives tax breaks, will you be as vociferous in your opposition to our increasing debt as you were under Obama?

The alternative Universe that Liberals live in has an absolute lock on crying the blues...you people cannot get over yourselves...get a grip...you lost this one, but the Sun still rises every morning...
If you really can't get over Trump, maybe sit down with a bunch or your Liberal Friends and try and justify or track down where you think 11 Trillion Obama Dollars went to in 7 1/2 years.

It is very humbling to listen to a Canadian lecture on American culture. But I will address your post. Instead of labeling 1/2 of the voting population here. How about giving it a shot on the OP's questions ? You don't have to get a 100% on it but give it your best shot.

[sleepngbear]

Ron, give it a rest. She's gone. She lost. If you were asking me if I was setting up a "gotcha". Not at all. I'm just saying there should be no reason for him not to get the things done that he wants done.

Be happy to do so but, pretty sure, there's a "Gotcha" coming at some if not several points.

To be honest with you, I hope Trump does good. If he does good, the country does good. I think the OP asked a fair and interesting question. It would be a miracle if a president is able to get 100% of what he wants. But I think this first year is his to do with what he wants.

This I must applaud. Thank you.

As for myself and long-term support for Trump, let me put it this way. I had high hopes and optimism for W when he was first elected. I wasn't expecting another Reagan, but I was hoping for a return to some degree of fiscal conservatism. We didn't get it. He abandoned conservative principles and tried to just please everybody on both sides of the aisle and ended up pleasing almost no one. Worst of all, he did nothing to stop the implosion of the economy which he had plenty of warning and opportunity to do. It would probably not have been popular at the time, but those are the kinds of tough decisions a leader needs to be able to make. His administration was pretty much a failure. Though even in retrospect I still believe he was a better choice than Gore and Kerry.

If Trump doesn't deliver on at least some of the promises he ran on, or at the very least doesn't enact changes that benefit the country as a whole, I will judge him the same way. However I will also admit that, like Bush, he'd have to do something tantamount to causing the complete collapse of this country for me to ever think Hillary would have been a better choice.

[signart]

Ron, give it a rest. She's gone. She lost. If you were asking me if I was setting up a "gotcha". Not at all. I'm just saying there should be no reason for him not to get the things done that he wants done.

Be happy to do so but, pretty sure, there's a "Gotcha" coming at some if not several points.

To be honest with you, I hope Trump does good. If he does good, the country does good. I think the OP asked a fair and interesting question. It would be a miracle if a president is able to get 100% of what he wants. But I think this first year is his to do with what he wants.

This I must applaud. Thank you.

As for myself and long-term support for Trump, let me put it this way. I had high hopes and optimism for W when he was first elected. I wasn't expecting another Reagan, but I was hoping for a return to some degree of fiscal conservatism. We didn't get it. He abandoned conservative principles and tried to just please everybody on both sides of the aisle and ended up pleasing almost no one. Worst of all, he did nothing to stop the implosion of the economy which he had plenty of warning and opportunity to do. It would probably not have been popular at the time, but those are the kinds of tough decisions a leader needs to be able to make. His administration was pretty much a failure. Though even in retrospect I still believe he was a better choice than Gore.

If Trump doesn't deliver on at least some of the promises he ran on, or at the very least doesn't enact changes that benefit the country as a whole, I will judge him the same way. However I will also admit that, like Bush, he'd have to do something tantamount to causing the complete collapse of this country for me to ever think Hillary would have been a better choice.

Only one promise needs to be fulfilled to be a success. Appointment of good justices in the courts throughout the land. Anything else can be overcome. This is why America could not let Clinton win.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Ron, give it a rest. She's gone. She lost. If you were asking me if I was setting up a "gotcha". Not at all. I'm just saying there should be no reason for him not to get the things done that he wants done.

Be happy to do so but, pretty sure, there's a "Gotcha" coming at some if not several points.

To be honest with you, I hope Trump does good. If he does good, the country does good. I think the OP asked a fair and interesting question. It would be a miracle if a president is able to get 100% of what he wants. But I think this first year is his to do with what he wants.

This I must applaud. Thank you.

As for myself and long-term support for Trump, let me put it this way. I had high hopes and optimism for W when he was first elected. I wasn't expecting another Reagan, but I was hoping for a return to some degree of fiscal conservatism. We didn't get it. He abandoned conservative principles and tried to just please everybody on both sides of the aisle and ended up pleasing almost no one. Worst of all, he did nothing to stop the implosion of the economy which he had plenty of warning and opportunity to do. It would probably not have been popular at the time, but those are the kinds of tough decisions a leader needs to be able to make. His administration was pretty much a failure. Though even in retrospect I still believe he was a better choice than Gore and Kerry.

If Trump doesn't deliver on at least some of the promises he ran on, or at the very least doesn't enact changes that benefit the country as a whole, I will judge him the same way. However I will also admit that, like Bush, he'd have to do something tantamount to causing the complete collapse of this country for me to ever think Hillary would have been a better choice.

A very honest assessment of the situation. Thank you 

[baldo]

Be happy to do so but, pretty sure, there's a "Gotcha" coming at some if not several points.

 

[Jersey mike]

If you're looking for a reasonable time frame I'd have to say 18 months but I'm anxious to see what happens by July 4th, '17. I think by then we should get a good idea what to expect, but I'm not sure when "summer vacation" starts in Washington.

[Davet261]

In my opinion this is how the election went, 50% of President elect Trumps votes was for him, 50% of his voters was along party lines. You can use the same ratio for the democrats too.  Some may feel duped but most just wanted control of the White House.

[MP]

So if he did the rest but appointed conservative judges, you would be ok ?

The question was when one would feel duped.  All the other issues are not isolated Trump decisions. in our checks and balances system of government, the president has 2 major powers... the power to say no (veto) and the power to appoint (and that still has to be approved by congress). For instance, if Trump wants to build a wall, but Congress says no, there won't be a wall.  Congress holds the purse strings.  An even better example is term limits... no way Congress will say yes to that.

ok, I get that.   But he does have a huge mandate, both the Senate and the House. I see no rational reason for him not to get the things he talked about.

Republicans indeed won the Senate and House, which on the surface seems to bode well for Trump getting things done.  However, there are 2 problems with that:  
     1) Congressional members (even Rs) do not necessarily agree with everything on Trump's agenda.
     2) Rs do not hold a filibuster-proof majority.

The Supreme Court was and is number one.

If the Dems in the Senate refuse to pass anything, it cannot be blamed on Trump. I do believe Trump will be more open to compromise than Obama and Read were. Obama essentially said FU, I won, when he had 60 votes in the senate, and it tainted the rest of his time.

[Robert]

I would turn the original posters questions around,

at what point would you have not been happy with Obama and Clinton.

We have seen that things are not good with the proof of the economy being the election of Donald which has shown that things are not as rosey as you say.

I personally think you are in your bubble, you looked at the free sht army and said those poor people but forgot those working middle class that are scraping along. You are also in California which has a bit different thinking also. Life under Obama has been bad for most of the country with relief for the upper class and very poor. The working middle class that is the backbone of this country got no help and what they got was taxes to support those who did not have.

Let me list  a couple of points

The middle class has watched their pay checks shrink between no raise in pay, the rising of prices on insurance, health care, good and services and the devaluation of the dollar.

Health care industry just charges more to offset above factors just like most mfgs.

The national debt has risen at a alarming rate with all the effects that go along with more debt

The taking away of second and first amendment rights

The executive orders going beyond the scope they were designed for and being struck down in the Supreme court

He defending his personal policies with the peoples money

The bail out went to the rich while the middle class got no help and lost houses.

Apologizing for the United States to foreign countries

A small thing like 0 interest to banks while credit cards are at 12 to 24 percent

The list could go on and on

Like I said you are obviously insulated and oblivious in your world good for you bad for everyone else.

So at what point would you have left Obama and Hillary?

I ask you why couldn't you see the rest of the suffering and care about those?

The numbers on the economy show the 1 percent growing fast the poor getting more freebies but the middle class disappearing. You forgot that we are all in this together.

We were royally lied to by Obama because what he promised was not what we got. Obama taught us the liberal mindset is not open, not honest, and actually violent and abusive.

All that Trump has to do is keep one or two promises and he will be doing better than Obama. I would say that with the refusal to take the salary for President, the endorsement and help of his family and not only the stated goals he has but the use of personal money to not be bound to promises has made him a winner in my book.

His vision is America is great not apologizing for it and not using taxpayer money to map out a new policies to blend with the rest of the world. He believes in Americas excellence and position in the world and will try to keep and build on that rather than breaking it down.

He actually has stated his goals many times after he is elected and they are consistent with his first promises

To part with Trump what would he have to do? He would have to adopt the promises and direction of a failed administration like Obama's.