Trump then and now

[dinosnake]

I usually do not like to jump into the middle of a viper pit but, lest you forget, allow me to remind you of something:

The man hasn't even officially been elected much less sworn in and the Lefties are already arm chair quarterbacking Trump's administration as if the can read the future.

...

Trump is in Clinton out.  That's more than enough for me right now.  How bout we give him a chance to take the reins and see how he does.

Ah.  I think "Don't treat him like they did Obama", is what you meant to say.

[Chrisj CMA]

I usually do not like to jump into the middle of a viper pit but, lest you forget, allow me to remind you of something:

The man hasn't even officially been elected much less sworn in and the Lefties are already arm chair quarterbacking Trump's administration as if the can read the future.

...

Trump is in Clinton out.  That's more than enough for me right now.  How bout we give him a chance to take the reins and see how he does.

Ah.  I think "Don't treat him like they did Obama", is what you meant to say.

You think wrong

[Moonshot_1]

I usually do not like to jump into the middle of a viper pit but, lest you forget, allow me to remind you of something:

The man hasn't even officially been elected much less sworn in and the Lefties are already arm chair quarterbacking Trump's administration as if the can read the future.

...

Trump is in Clinton out.  That's more than enough for me right now.  How bout we give him a chance to take the reins and see how he does.

Ah.  I think "Don't treat him like they did Obama", is what you meant to say.

And the media is not treating Trump like they did Obama. I don't see the media fawning and gushing over him at all.

[Valker]

...and when Obama was elected, I don't remember ANY opponents rioting, burning, destroying, etc.....

[Serk]

...on this day of thanks, I am truly thankful for many, MANY things, not the least of which is:

[Pappy!]

Whats this about California contributing so much? Wasn't it California that, not too long ago, was about to declare bankruptcy? I think a couple of its major LIBERAL cities led the way and had to be bailed out.
BTW - out of those 2 mil votes that the Beast supposedly beat Trump with how many were your illegals??

[The emperor has no clothes]

 This is the ranking of states from most dependent on the Federal Government to the least.

Rank
(1 = Most Dependent)
State
Total Score
‘State Residents’ Dependency’ Rank
‘State Government’s Dependency’ Rank
1   Mississippi   62.08   11   1
2   New Mexico   55.45   2   8
3   Alabama   53.00   5   9
4   Louisiana   51.29   39   2
5   Tennessee   50.07   20   3
6   Montana   49.51   12   6
7   South Dakota   49.34   19   4
8   Kentucky   47.37   10   12
9   West Virginia   46.64   7   16
10   Missouri   45.07   30   5
11   Georgia   44.12   26   7
12   Maine   44.03   13   10
13   Arizona   42.64   14   14
14   South Carolina   40.98   4   30
15   North Dakota   40.49   1   50
16   Wyoming   40.39   24   11
17   Idaho   39.73   18   15
18   Indiana   39.52   15   20
19   Oregon   38.96   27   13
20   Oklahoma   38.83   16   17
21   Vermont   36.74   21   21
22   Maryland   36.22   6   33
23   Rhode Island   35.39   31   18
24   Michigan   33.16   34   23
25   Ohio   32.97   45   19
26   North Carolina   32.89   33   25
27   Arkansas   32.77   37   22
28   Pennsylvania   31.68   17   29
29   Texas   31.67   41   24
30   Florida   31.43   29   28
31   Iowa   30.22   40   27
32   Nebraska   30.22   42   26
33   Utah   27.81   22   31
34   Wisconsin   24.93   23   36
35   Colorado   23.89   28   35
36   Washington   23.49   25   37
37   Hawaii   23.38   3   49
38   Massachusetts   22.94   43   32
39   Virginia   22.59   9   47
40   Alaska   21.69   8   48
41   New York   21.07   46   34
42   New Hampshire   19.57   44   38
43   Minnesota   17.31   48   39
44   Nevada   17.10   32   43
45   Illinois   16.36   47   40
46   California   16.25   36   42
47   Kansas   15.78   38   44
48   New Jersey   14.76   49   41
49   Connecticut   13.42   35   46
50   Delaware   12.90

[RP#62]

This is the ranking of states from most dependent on the Federal Government to the least.

Rank
(1 = Most Dependent)
State
Total Score
‘State Residents’ Dependency’ Rank
‘State Government’s Dependency’ Rank
1   Mississippi   62.08   11   1
2   New Mexico   55.45   2   8
3   Alabama   53.00   5   9
4   Louisiana   51.29   39   2
5   Tennessee   50.07   20   3
6   Montana   49.51   12   6
7   South Dakota   49.34   19   4
8   Kentucky   47.37   10   12
9   West Virginia   46.64   7   16
10   Missouri   45.07   30   5
11   Georgia   44.12   26   7
12   Maine   44.03   13   10
13   Arizona   42.64   14   14
14   South Carolina   40.98   4   30
15   North Dakota   40.49   1   50
16   Wyoming   40.39   24   11
17   Idaho   39.73   18   15
18   Indiana   39.52   15   20
19   Oregon   38.96   27   13
20   Oklahoma   38.83   16   17
21   Vermont   36.74   21   21
22   Maryland   36.22   6   33
23   Rhode Island   35.39   31   18
24   Michigan   33.16   34   23
25   Ohio   32.97   45   19
26   North Carolina   32.89   33   25
27   Arkansas   32.77   37   22
28   Pennsylvania   31.68   17   29
29   Texas   31.67   41   24
30   Florida   31.43   29   28
31   Iowa   30.22   40   27
32   Nebraska   30.22   42   26
33   Utah   27.81   22   31
34   Wisconsin   24.93   23   36
35   Colorado   23.89   28   35
36   Washington   23.49   25   37
37   Hawaii   23.38   3   49
38   Massachusetts   22.94   43   32
39   Virginia   22.59   9   47
40   Alaska   21.69   8   48
41   New York   21.07   46   34
42   New Hampshire   19.57   44   38
43   Minnesota   17.31   48   39
44   Nevada   17.10   32   43
45   Illinois   16.36   47   40
46   California   16.25   36   42
47   Kansas   15.78   38   44
48   New Jersey   14.76   49   41
49   Connecticut   13.42   35   46
50   Delaware   12.90

Do you have something that shows how much each state pays to the Federal government?  The assertion was "We pay far more to the federal government than we receive."  Without knowing how the above rankings were derived, there's no way to prove or disprove the assertion.

-RP

[The emperor has no clothes]

This is the ranking of states from most dependent on the Federal Government to the least.

Rank
(1 = Most Dependent)
State
Total Score
‘State Residents’ Dependency’ Rank
‘State Government’s Dependency’ Rank
1   Mississippi   62.08   11   1
2   New Mexico   55.45   2   8
3   Alabama   53.00   5   9
4   Louisiana   51.29   39   2
5   Tennessee   50.07   20   3
6   Montana   49.51   12   6
7   South Dakota   49.34   19   4
8   Kentucky   47.37   10   12
9   West Virginia   46.64   7   16
10   Missouri   45.07   30   5
11   Georgia   44.12   26   7
12   Maine   44.03   13   10
13   Arizona   42.64   14   14
14   South Carolina   40.98   4   30
15   North Dakota   40.49   1   50
16   Wyoming   40.39   24   11
17   Idaho   39.73   18   15
18   Indiana   39.52   15   20
19   Oregon   38.96   27   13
20   Oklahoma   38.83   16   17
21   Vermont   36.74   21   21
22   Maryland   36.22   6   33
23   Rhode Island   35.39   31   18
24   Michigan   33.16   34   23
25   Ohio   32.97   45   19
26   North Carolina   32.89   33   25
27   Arkansas   32.77   37   22
28   Pennsylvania   31.68   17   29
29   Texas   31.67   41   24
30   Florida   31.43   29   28
31   Iowa   30.22   40   27
32   Nebraska   30.22   42   26
33   Utah   27.81   22   31
34   Wisconsin   24.93   23   36
35   Colorado   23.89   28   35
36   Washington   23.49   25   37
37   Hawaii   23.38   3   49
38   Massachusetts   22.94   43   32
39   Virginia   22.59   9   47
40   Alaska   21.69   8   48
41   New York   21.07   46   34
42   New Hampshire   19.57   44   38
43   Minnesota   17.31   48   39
44   Nevada   17.10   32   43
45   Illinois   16.36   47   40
46   California   16.25   36   42
47   Kansas   15.78   38   44
48   New Jersey   14.76   49   41
49   Connecticut   13.42   35   46
50   Delaware   12.90

Do you have something that shows how much each state pays to the Federal government?  The assertion was "We pay far more to the federal government than we receive."  Without knowing how the above rankings were derived, there's no way to prove or disprove the assertion.

-RP

I will look later. I'm messing with my tank emblems right now.  I didn't copy and paste that chart well. As I understood it, the first set of numbers are the amount of money per capita for personal money received from the Feds. The second set was the number per capita the State government got from the Feds. (At least that's how I understood it)

[Gavin_Sons]

Everything I read california is highly dependent on the government. They can not make it on their own.

[baldo]

This is the ranking of states from most dependent on the Federal Government to the least.

Rank
(1 = Most Dependent)
State
Total Score
‘State Residents’ Dependency’ Rank
‘State Government’s Dependency’ Rank
1   Mississippi   62.08   11   1
2   New Mexico   55.45   2   8
3   Alabama   53.00   5   9
4   Louisiana   51.29   39   2
5   Tennessee   50.07   20   3
6   Montana   49.51   12   6
7   South Dakota   49.34   19   4
8   Kentucky   47.37   10   12
9   West Virginia   46.64   7   16
10   Missouri   45.07   30   5
11   Georgia   44.12   26   7
12   Maine   44.03   13   10
13   Arizona   42.64   14   14
14   South Carolina   40.98   4   30
15   North Dakota   40.49   1   50
16   Wyoming   40.39   24   11
17   Idaho   39.73   18   15
18   Indiana   39.52   15   20
19   Oregon   38.96   27   13
20   Oklahoma   38.83   16   17
21   Vermont   36.74   21   21
22   Maryland   36.22   6   33
23   Rhode Island   35.39   31   18
24   Michigan   33.16   34   23
25   Ohio   32.97   45   19
26   North Carolina   32.89   33   25
27   Arkansas   32.77   37   22
28   Pennsylvania   31.68   17   29
29   Texas   31.67   41   24
30   Florida   31.43   29   28
31   Iowa   30.22   40   27
32   Nebraska   30.22   42   26
33   Utah   27.81   22   31
34   Wisconsin   24.93   23   36
35   Colorado   23.89   28   35
36   Washington   23.49   25   37
37   Hawaii   23.38   3   49
38   Massachusetts   22.94   43   32
39   Virginia   22.59   9   47
40   Alaska   21.69   8   48
41   New York   21.07   46   34
42   New Hampshire   19.57   44   38
43   Minnesota   17.31   48   39
44   Nevada   17.10   32   43
45   Illinois   16.36   47   40
46   California   16.25   36   42
47   Kansas   15.78   38   44
48   New Jersey   14.76   49   41
49   Connecticut   13.42   35   46
50   Delaware   12.90

Do you have something that shows how much each state pays to the Federal government?  The assertion was "We pay far more to the federal government than we receive."  Without knowing how the above rankings were derived, there's no way to prove or disprove the assertion.

-RP

If the Table is titled "Dependent on the Federal government", wouldn't it be safe to assume that means they pay more into than take back? Why would numbers matter? The chart shows it.....

[baldo]

Whats this about California contributing so much? Wasn't it California that, not too long ago, was about to declare bankruptcy?

Yes, when it had a Republican governor. Shwarzenegger was guv from '03-'11. Jerry Brown from '11 to current. From what I've read in the past, Calif is doing pretty damn well right now. He's done alot to straighten out the state.

Some members here from Cali might have more insight on this, I'm out the door for work....

[The emperor has no clothes]

I couldn't copy just the chart. But if you look about half way down the article, it appears that from California down those states pay more in taxes than they receive back.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/05/which-states-are-givers-and-which-are-takers/361668/

[Oss]

so it would seem against their interest that all those people dependent on the federal gov. voted for Trump, or if you prefer
against Clinton

To me it says that many of those good people would rather work than receive money for nothing

Romney was wrong  that % will vote for a Republican and it does matter

[RP#62]

This is the ranking of states from most dependent on the Federal Government to the least.

Rank
(1 = Most Dependent)
State
Total Score
‘State Residents’ Dependency’ Rank
‘State Government’s Dependency’ Rank
1   Mississippi   62.08   11   1
2   New Mexico   55.45   2   8
3   Alabama   53.00   5   9
4   Louisiana   51.29   39   2
5   Tennessee   50.07   20   3
6   Montana   49.51   12   6
7   South Dakota   49.34   19   4
8   Kentucky   47.37   10   12
9   West Virginia   46.64   7   16
10   Missouri   45.07   30   5
11   Georgia   44.12   26   7
12   Maine   44.03   13   10
13   Arizona   42.64   14   14
14   South Carolina   40.98   4   30
15   North Dakota   40.49   1   50
16   Wyoming   40.39   24   11
17   Idaho   39.73   18   15
18   Indiana   39.52   15   20
19   Oregon   38.96   27   13
20   Oklahoma   38.83   16   17
21   Vermont   36.74   21   21
22   Maryland   36.22   6   33
23   Rhode Island   35.39   31   18
24   Michigan   33.16   34   23
25   Ohio   32.97   45   19
26   North Carolina   32.89   33   25
27   Arkansas   32.77   37   22
28   Pennsylvania   31.68   17   29
29   Texas   31.67   41   24
30   Florida   31.43   29   28
31   Iowa   30.22   40   27
32   Nebraska   30.22   42   26
33   Utah   27.81   22   31
34   Wisconsin   24.93   23   36
35   Colorado   23.89   28   35
36   Washington   23.49   25   37
37   Hawaii   23.38   3   49
38   Massachusetts   22.94   43   32
39   Virginia   22.59   9   47
40   Alaska   21.69   8   48
41   New York   21.07   46   34
42   New Hampshire   19.57   44   38
43   Minnesota   17.31   48   39
44   Nevada   17.10   32   43
45   Illinois   16.36   47   40
46   California   16.25   36   42
47   Kansas   15.78   38   44
48   New Jersey   14.76   49   41
49   Connecticut   13.42   35   46
50   Delaware   12.90

Do you have something that shows how much each state pays to the Federal government?  The assertion was "We pay far more to the federal government than we receive."  Without knowing how the above rankings were derived, there's no way to prove or disprove the assertion.

-RP

If the Table is titled "Dependent on the Federal government", wouldn't it be safe to assume that means they pay more into than take back? Why would numbers matter? The chart shows it.....

Just the opposite.  If they pay in more than they receive, then they wouldn't be dependent on the federal government. If they're on the list at all, then we just talking about to what degree they're dependent, whereas the assertion was that they aren't dependent at all.  I'll have to read the article though and see how they define dependent.

-RP

[baldo]

This is the ranking of states from most dependent on the Federal Government to the least.

Rank
(1 = Most Dependent)
State
Total Score
‘State Residents’ Dependency’ Rank
‘State Government’s Dependency’ Rank
1   Mississippi   62.08   11   1
2   New Mexico   55.45   2   8
3   Alabama   53.00   5   9
4   Louisiana   51.29   39   2
5   Tennessee   50.07   20   3
6   Montana   49.51   12   6
7   South Dakota   49.34   19   4
8   Kentucky   47.37   10   12
9   West Virginia   46.64   7   16
10   Missouri   45.07   30   5
11   Georgia   44.12   26   7
12   Maine   44.03   13   10
13   Arizona   42.64   14   14
14   South Carolina   40.98   4   30
15   North Dakota   40.49   1   50
16   Wyoming   40.39   24   11
17   Idaho   39.73   18   15
18   Indiana   39.52   15   20
19   Oregon   38.96   27   13
20   Oklahoma   38.83   16   17
21   Vermont   36.74   21   21
22   Maryland   36.22   6   33
23   Rhode Island   35.39   31   18
24   Michigan   33.16   34   23
25   Ohio   32.97   45   19
26   North Carolina   32.89   33   25
27   Arkansas   32.77   37   22
28   Pennsylvania   31.68   17   29
29   Texas   31.67   41   24
30   Florida   31.43   29   28
31   Iowa   30.22   40   27
32   Nebraska   30.22   42   26
33   Utah   27.81   22   31
34   Wisconsin   24.93   23   36
35   Colorado   23.89   28   35
36   Washington   23.49   25   37
37   Hawaii   23.38   3   49
38   Massachusetts   22.94   43   32
39   Virginia   22.59   9   47
40   Alaska   21.69   8   48
41   New York   21.07   46   34
42   New Hampshire   19.57   44   38
43   Minnesota   17.31   48   39
44   Nevada   17.10   32   43
45   Illinois   16.36   47   40
46   California   16.25   36   42
47   Kansas   15.78   38   44
48   New Jersey   14.76   49   41
49   Connecticut   13.42   35   46
50   Delaware   12.90

Do you have something that shows how much each state pays to the Federal government?  The assertion was "We pay far more to the federal government than we receive."  Without knowing how the above rankings were derived, there's no way to prove or disprove the assertion.

-RP

If the Table is titled "Dependent on the Federal government", wouldn't it be safe to assume that means they pay more into than take back? Why would numbers matter? The chart shows it.....

Just the opposite.  If they pay in more than they receive, then they wouldn't be dependent on the federal government. If they're on the list at all, then we just talking about to what degree they're dependent, whereas the assertion was that they aren't dependent at all.  I'll have to read the article though and see how they define dependent.

-RP

Good point......

[Pappy!]

Whats this about California contributing so much? Wasn't it California that, not too long ago, was about to declare bankruptcy?

Yes, when it had a Republican governor. Shwarzenegger was guv from '03-'11. Jerry Brown from '11 to current. From what I've read in the past, Calif is doing pretty damn well right now. He's done alot to straighten out the state.

Some members here from Cali might have more insight on this, I'm out the door for work....

Wrong again, Baldo!
Here is a list of the top five largest cities.......

The 5 Biggest Municipal Bankruptcies In U.S. History. ...
Detroit, Michigan (2013) ...
Jefferson County, Alabama (2011) ...
Orange County, California (1994) ...
Stockton, California (2012) ...
San Bernardino County, California (2012)

Now lets see here....Who was in charge in 2012? Of course am sure you will blame it on Arnold.
Hmmm....it seems most are LIberal left leaning cities.

[baldo]

Whats this about California contributing so much? Wasn't it California that, not too long ago, was about to declare bankruptcy?

Yes, when it had a Republican governor. Shwarzenegger was guv from '03-'11. Jerry Brown from '11 to current. From what I've read in the past, Calif is doing pretty damn well right now. He's done alot to straighten out the state.

Some members here from Cali might have more insight on this, I'm out the door for work....

Wrong again, Baldo!
Here is a list of the top five largest cities.......

The 5 Biggest Municipal Bankruptcies In U.S. History. ...
Detroit, Michigan (2013) ...
Jefferson County, Alabama (2011) ...
Orange County, California (1994) ...
Stockton, California (2012) ...
San Bernardino County, California (2012)

Now lets see here....Who was in charge in 2012? Of course am sure you will blame it on Arnold.
Hmmm....it seems most are LIberal left leaning cities.

I believe we're talking about states, not cities and counties.  Try and keep up.

[Pappy!]

LOL wrong yet again!!
Go back and read my post.............

Oh, and try and keep up will ya'? 

[baldo]

LOL wrong yet again!!
Go back and read my post.............

Oh, and try and keep up will ya'? 

YOU'RE the only one talking about cities. Everyone else , including the original post, is talking about states..

Try to focus.

[Moonshot_1]

LOL wrong yet again!!
Go back and read my post.............

Oh, and try and keep up will ya'? 

YOU'RE the only one talking about cities. Everyone else , including the original post, is talking about states..

Try to focus.

Well, cities are smaller than states. So that means he's KEENLY focused!

[baldo]

LOL wrong yet again!!
Go back and read my post.............

Oh, and try and keep up will ya'? 

YOU'RE the only one talking about cities. Everyone else , including the original post, is talking about states..

Try to focus.

Well, cities are smaller than states. So that means he's KEENLY focused!

Lol....forests and trees come to mind...

[Pappy!]

Was talking about states and cities based on a comment from Daddy0 that mentioned California contributing so much. Pretty much turned to states after my post.
Anyway, as usual, you ignore the facts and try to change the focus point.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Huge drain?  How do you figure?  We pay far more to the federal government than we receive.  That's the main reason we can't leave, y'all can't afford to pay for yourselves so you need California to pick up the tab.

Was talking about states and cities based on a comment from Daddy0 that mentioned California contributing so much. Pretty much turned to states after my post.
Anyway, as usual, you ignore the facts and try to change the focus point.

It doesn't appear Daddie O said anything about cities. 

[baldo]

Huge drain?  How do you figure?  We pay far more to the federal government than we receive.  That's the main reason we can't leave, y'all can't afford to pay for yourselves so you need California to pick up the tab.

Was talking about states and cities based on a comment from Daddy0 that mentioned California contributing so much. Pretty much turned to states after my post.
Anyway, as usual, you ignore the facts and try to change the focus point.

It doesn't appear Daddie O said anything about cities. 

Don't try and confuse things with facts, MH.....

[baldo]

Was talking about states and cities based on a comment from Daddy0 that mentioned California contributing so much. Pretty much turned to states after my post.
Anyway, as usual, you ignore the facts and try to change the focus point.

Again, YOU'RE the only one that ever mentioned cities, so just give it up.

Maybe eat some turkey???

[Romeo]

Just hilarious to me how certain people somehow think they know what we all are thinking, and believing.
Donal Trump IS NOT HILARY CLINTON. That is precisely why most of us deplorable conservatives voted for him. Whats's also hilarious to me is how the effing leftist media is still trying to make him out as a racist, homophobic whatever. Donal Trump is Well, Donald Trump. Probably the most open book president elect in the history of the republic. We all know who he is and so do you. We always have.
He's NOT HILARY CLINTON.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Just hilarious to me how certain people somehow think they know what we all are thinking, and believing.
Donal Trump IS NOT HILARY CLINTON. That is precisely why most of us deplorable conservatives voted for him. Whats's also hilarious to me is how the effing leftist media is still trying to make him out as a racist, homophobic whatever. Donal Trump is Well, Donald Trump. Probably the most open book president elect in the history of the republic. We all know who he is and so do you. We always have.
He's NOT HILARY CLINTON.

I hadn't heard anything about him being homophobic. I thought he was pretty accepting of gays.

[dinosnake]

Just hilarious to me how certain people somehow think they know what we all are thinking, and believing.
Donal Trump IS NOT HILARY CLINTON. That is precisely why most of us deplorable conservatives voted for him. Whats's also hilarious to me is how the effing leftist media is still trying to make him out as a racist, homophobic whatever. Donal Trump is Well, Donald Trump. Probably the most open book president elect in the history of the republic. We all know who he is and so do you. We always have.

And the problem with "us deplorable conservatives" is that you see that as a positive.

A lack of understanding of history, as usual.

I suggest you read

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Jackson

"Probably the most open book president elect in the history of the republic"?  Possibly not even close.  And Jackson's 'reign' wasn't a happy one for the American public, ending in the Panic [steep recession / depression] of 1837 which outlasted his very presidency by 4 years.

Read the "Legacy and memory" section - does the character analysis by Alexis de Tocqueville sound familiar?

Essentially, he was a jerk.  His years were full of controversies, as the records show.  But the people of the 'budding' United States thought that was a positive, seen as "forceful" and "decisive", and they paid for it, in the case of the Native Americans with their lives and in the case of the white Americans with years of impoverishment.  

Hopefully things won't turn out as bad, but Trump isn't even in his administration yet and the news is full of his controversies.

And so we never learn, do we?  "Those Who Fail to Heed the Lessons of History..."

[Gavin_Sons]

Just hilarious to me how certain people somehow think they know what we all are thinking, and believing.
Donal Trump IS NOT HILARY CLINTON. That is precisely why most of us deplorable conservatives voted for him. Whats's also hilarious to me is how the effing leftist media is still trying to make him out as a racist, homophobic whatever. Donal Trump is Well, Donald Trump. Probably the most open book president elect in the history of the republic. We all know who he is and so do you. We always have.

And the problem with "us deplorable conservatives" is that you see that as a positive.

A lack of understanding of history, as usual.

I suggest you read

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Jackson

"Probably the most open book president elect in the history of the republic"?  Possibly not even close.  And Jackson's 'reign' wasn't a happy one for the American public, ending in the Panic [steep recession / depression] of 1837 which outlasted his very presidency by 4 years.

Read the "Legacy and memory" section - does the character analysis by Alexis de Tocqueville sound familiar?

Essentially, he was a jerk.  His years were full of controversies, as the records show.  But the people of the 'budding' United States thought that was a positive, seen as "forceful" and "decisive", and they paid for it, in the case of the Native Americans with their lives and in the case of the white Americans with years of impoverishment.  

Hopefully things won't turn out as bad, but Trump isn't even in his administration yet and the news is full of his controversies.

And so we never learn, do we?  "Those Who Fail to Heed the Lessons of History..."

It's cute how you believe everything yoy read on the internet. 

[dinosnake]

It's cute how you believe everything yoy read on the internet. 

It is far cuter that, using for example a topic like climate change, people go into absolute denial mode when reality does not jive with their pre-conceived political, ideological or religious agenda.

And then these people call other people "entitled".   

[Willow]

It's cute how you believe everything yoy read on the internet.  

It is far cuter that, using for example a topic like climate change, people go into absolute denial mode when reality does not jive with their pre-conceived political, ideological or religious agenda.

And then these people call other people "entitled".  

Wow!  The accusations some make.  I'm pretty sure reality does not jive with anyone who disagrees with me.  I see several people driven by their preconceived political, ideological or irreligious agenda insisting that a twisted or nonexistent reality supports their preconceived agenda.

[Patrick]

http://www.usdebtclock.org/state-debt-clocks/state-of-california-debt-clock.html







72 responses to this !  Geeez.

[Romeo]

Just hilarious to me how certain people somehow think they know what we all are thinking, and believing.
Donal Trump IS NOT HILARY CLINTON. That is precisely why most of us deplorable conservatives voted for him. Whats's also hilarious to me is how the effing leftist media is still trying to make him out as a racist, homophobic whatever. Donal Trump is Well, Donald Trump. Probably the most open book president elect in the history of the republic. We all know who he is and so do you. We always have.
He's NOT HILARY CLINTON.

I hadn't heard anything about him being homophobic. I thought he was pretty accepting of gays.

i have read numerous comments and posts on facebook accusing him of it, even as he appoints homosexuals to his team. Smh

[Romeo]

Just hilarious to me how certain people somehow think they know what we all are thinking, and believing.
Donal Trump IS NOT HILARY CLINTON. That is precisely why most of us deplorable conservatives voted for him. Whats's also hilarious to me is how the effing leftist media is still trying to make him out as a racist, homophobic whatever. Donal Trump is Well, Donald Trump. Probably the most open book president elect in the history of the republic. We all know who he is and so do you. We always have.

And the problem with "us deplorable conservatives" is that you see that as a positive.

A lack of understanding of history, as usual.

I suggest you read

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Jackson

"Probably the most open book president elect in the history of the republic"?  Possibly not even close.  And Jackson's 'reign' wasn't a happy one for the American public, ending in the Panic [steep recession / depression] of 1837 which outlasted his very presidency by 4 years.

Read the "Legacy and memory" section - does the character analysis by Alexis de Tocqueville sound familiar?

Essentially, he was a jerk.  His years were full of controversies, as the records show.  But the people of the 'budding' United States thought that was a positive, seen as "forceful" and "decisive", and they paid for it, in the case of the Native Americans with their lives and in the case of the white Americans with years of impoverishment.  

Hopefully things won't turn out as bad, but Trump isn't even in his administration yet and the news is full of his controversies.

And so we never learn, do we?  "Those Who Fail to Heed the Lessons of History..."

possibly, you misuderstood me. Possibly I didnt really explain myself very well. What I was trying to say was, I knew exactly what I was getting when voting for Trump. He is plenty transparent, and anyone who thinks him a conservative, in my opinion, is mistaken. He ran on a populist agenda and appealed to those of us who have been marginalized, even though we are in the majority. And besides, HE ISNT HILLARY CLINTON.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Just hilarious to me how certain people somehow think they know what we all are thinking, and believing.
Donal Trump IS NOT HILARY CLINTON. That is precisely why most of us deplorable conservatives voted for him. Whats's also hilarious to me is how the effing leftist media is still trying to make him out as a racist, homophobic whatever. Donal Trump is Well, Donald Trump. Probably the most open book president elect in the history of the republic. We all know who he is and so do you. We always have.
He's NOT HILARY CLINTON.

I hadn't heard anything about him being homophobic. I thought he was pretty accepting of gays.

i have read numerous comments and posts on facebook accusing him of it, even as he appoints homosexuals to his team. Smh

Well, I don't know much about Facebook. But I do know many people accuse people of doing something that has no basis in fact. IT HAS EVEN HAPPENED ON HERE. Can you imagine that ?

[Romeo]

Just hilarious to me how certain people somehow think they know what we all are thinking, and believing.
Donal Trump IS NOT HILARY CLINTON. That is precisely why most of us deplorable conservatives voted for him. Whats's also hilarious to me is how the effing leftist media is still trying to make him out as a racist, homophobic whatever. Donal Trump is Well, Donald Trump. Probably the most open book president elect in the history of the republic. We all know who he is and so do you. We always have.
He's NOT HILARY CLINTON.

I hadn't heard anything about him being homophobic. I thought he was pretty accepting of gays.

i have read numerous comments and posts on facebook accusing him of it, even as he appoints homosexuals to his team. Smh

Well, I don't know much about Facebook. But I do know many people accuse people of doing something that has no basis in fact. IT HAS EVEN HAPPENED ON HERE. Can you imagine that ?

Here? Really? No way!

[dragonslayer]

first off what Trump said was"If I where hillery I could stand in the middle of fifth ave,you know the rest, so get your facts straight and quit watching mainstream media.They left out that whole first part and have done so for months.research what he really said.

[The emperor has no clothes]

first off what Trump said was"If I where hillery I could stand in the middle of fifth ave,you know the rest, so get your facts straight and quit watching mainstream media.They left out that whole first part and have done so for months.research what he really said.

This is what he said last January :

Donald Trump makes a comment about his current momentum at a campaign stop in Sioux City, Iowa on Saturday.

"You know what else they say about my people? The polls, they say I have the most loyal people. Did you ever see that? Where I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose any voters, okay? It’s like incredible," Trump said.

[The emperor has no clothes]

8 months later in Sept. He said this :

"She's being so protected. She could walk into this arena right now and shoot somebody with 20,000 people watching," Trump said mimicking a gun with his hand, "right smack in the middle of the heart and she wouldn't be prosecuted, OK?"


That's the way I remember events. If you remember them differently, I'm willing to listen.