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« Reply #40 on: January 12, 2017, 04:26:41 AM » |
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Baldo the difference is I gave Obama a chance for a few years in spite of my many misgivings
Time proved me right -- it happens more often now that I am older than when I was a youngun
But those entitled elitists will never give the same courtesy The gals at dinner last night are snobs, people who always have something negative to say about this or that, people with too much money and not enough humility Its always easier to bash than to build isn't it
Will you be at the anti Trump rally or will you watch or read about the inauguration later this month
I havent been invited to either affair but I can truthfully say I look forward to the miracle that is the peaceful transition of power every 4 or 8 years Lets hope that with the new team
things get better for us all
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« Reply #41 on: January 12, 2017, 06:15:25 AM » |
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It is projected to be the largest crowd the history of inaugurations. Although a lot of those have secured spaces on the mall for protests, although I am sure their expected numbers is being way overstated as it was at the Convention in Cleveland when only a small portion of stated expectations materialized. The Bikers for Trump have secured a space for 5000 bikers and state they expect many more. http://conservativetribune.com/bikers-for-trump-inauguration/ Initially they had hoped to be in the parade, but it seems doubtful this will happen. Too bad as this would have been quite a precedent in inaugurations. More info can be found on Bikers for Trump Facebook page. |
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« Reply #42 on: January 12, 2017, 06:25:51 AM » |
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It is projected to be the largest crowd the history of inaugurations. Although a lot of those have secured spaces on the mall for protests, although I am sure their expected numbers is being way overstated as it was at the Convention in Cleveland when only a small portion of stated expectations materialized. The Bikers for Trump have secured a space for 5000 bikers and state they expect many more. http://conservativetribune.com/bikers-for-trump-inauguration/ Initially they had hoped to be in the parade, but it seems doubtful this will happen. Too bad as this would have been quite a precedent in inaugurations. More info can be found on Bikers for Trump Facebook page. Hey i'm counting protesters as supporters. Just like obama counts the unemployment rate. |
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« Reply #43 on: January 12, 2017, 06:32:55 AM » |
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« Reply #44 on: January 12, 2017, 06:36:31 AM » |
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« Reply #45 on: January 12, 2017, 06:38:17 AM » |
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« Reply #46 on: January 12, 2017, 06:46:29 AM » |
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Beat this............ ...and only 9 attendants had to take off work that day... |
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« Reply #47 on: January 12, 2017, 07:50:36 AM » |
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« Reply #49 on: January 12, 2017, 08:59:29 AM » |
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Why is that so wrong? Loopholes are there to take advantage of. I don't get why everyone gets upset when someone takes advantage of the tax laws. Who wrote the law and got it passed? It wasn't dear ol' Hillary was it? |
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« Reply #50 on: January 12, 2017, 09:01:36 AM » |
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If its a loophole then its not illegal, but I would consider that most of the top member's of Obama's were tax dodgers and didn't pay income tax that was due. That could be illegal, if I remember David Axlerod owed something in the area of 125k. It would be dam near impossible to find someone with a squeaky clean past if that's all they find then that would be a miracle. |
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« Reply #51 on: January 12, 2017, 09:02:08 AM » |
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« Reply #52 on: January 12, 2017, 09:05:36 AM » |
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I love Trump
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« Reply #53 on: January 12, 2017, 09:22:02 AM » |
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If its a loophole then its not illegal, but I would consider that most of the top member's of Obama's were tax dodgers and didn't pay income tax that was due. That could be illegal, if I remember David Axlerod owed something in the area of 125k. It would be dam near impossible to find someone with a squeaky clean past if that's all they find then that would be a miracle. Yeah.. like Al Sharpton. Racist to the core, and supposedly way behind on taxes. One of Obama's best buddies  |
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« Reply #54 on: January 12, 2017, 10:19:01 AM » |
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Why is that so wrong? Loopholes are there to take advantage of. I don't get why everyone gets upset when someone takes advantage of the tax laws. Who wrote the law and got it passed? It wasn't dear ol' Hillary was it? And they forget about the nominations of Hussein A report from the Internal Revenue Service reveals that 36 of President Obama's executive office staff owe the country $833,970 in back taxes. And let's not forget about Geithner, who made "careless mistakes" when filing his taxes. I AM LOVING THE HYPOCRISY ! ! ! They hate republicans for LEGALLY not paying taxes while democrats make "mistakes".  |
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« Reply #55 on: January 12, 2017, 10:37:58 AM » |
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« Reply #56 on: January 12, 2017, 10:56:21 AM » |
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Beat this............ I think most of the people are there just too make sure he is leaving. |
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« Reply #57 on: January 12, 2017, 11:29:20 AM » |
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Beat this............ I think most of the people are there just too make sure he is leaving. Wasn't that the inauguration from 2008 ? |
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« Reply #58 on: January 12, 2017, 11:40:56 AM » |
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The party is never as big when they leave, as when they arrive.
There was a book about this..... called Great Expectations.
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« Reply #59 on: January 12, 2017, 11:49:15 AM » |
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Beat this............ I think most of the people are there just too make sure he is leaving. Wasn't that the inauguration from 2008 ? Maybe they were there just to make sure Bush would leave? (Ya' know, the 3rd worst president of the last 100 years...) |
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What wreck? There is no illegality, no corruption in the use of the "loophole", entirely ethical, and last I heard, following the law is entirely moral and just. Seems pretty smart to me and that's why he's been picked. |
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« Reply #61 on: January 12, 2017, 12:03:39 PM » |
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What wreck? There is no illegality, no corruption in the use of the "loophole", entirely ethical, and last I heard, following the law is entirely moral and just. Seems pretty smart to me and that's why he's been picked. Legal yes, moral Thats up for debate. I always considered myself in the middle class. But I guess I'm going to have to rethink that. Per the linked article, middle class is considered less than 20 million. |
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« Reply #62 on: January 12, 2017, 12:09:12 PM » |
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What wreck? There is no illegality, no corruption in the use of the "loophole", entirely ethical, and last I heard, following the law is entirely moral and just. Seems pretty smart to me and that's why he's been picked. Legal yes, moral Thats up for debate. I always considered myself in the middle class. But I guess I'm going to have to rethink that. Per the linked article, middle class is considered less than 20 million. Do you claim any tax deductions? |
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« Reply #63 on: January 12, 2017, 12:22:28 PM » |
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What wreck? There is no illegality, no corruption in the use of the "loophole", entirely ethical, and last I heard, following the law is entirely moral and just. Seems pretty smart to me and that's why he's been picked. Legal yes, moral Thats up for debate. I always considered myself in the middle class. But I guess I'm going to have to rethink that. Per the linked article, middle class is considered less than 20 million. "following the law is moral and just" is self evident. I didn't say the actual law or "loophole" was moral. Don't know enough about that particular law to make that judgement. |
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« Reply #64 on: January 12, 2017, 12:52:14 PM » |
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Really loophole is simply a misleading adjective used by journalists and others to taint or smear someone or some law. There's lawful and unlawful. If you don't like a law, change it or repeal it. A big one comes to mind. There are some twenty exception to the evidentiary hearsay rule. They are not loopholes, they are exceptions written into the statutes. The current US tax code is a stinking rotten pile of garbage, and the finest example of lobbyist power, influence and corruption extant. So are all the combined Fed, State, and local taxes levied on working men. I blame no one for using any arguable way to avoid paying them. When my earned money goes to fund socialism in all it's forms, and other rampant G fraud, waste and abuse (all against my will by coercion), not paying taxes is largely an honorable and patriotic endeavor in my book. Starve the beast. And here's my question. How many in front of the podium had their votes bought and paid for with money stolen from the working man? |
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« Reply #65 on: January 12, 2017, 12:58:15 PM » |
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When my earned money goes to fund socialism in all it's forms, and other rampant G fraud, waste and abuse (all against my will by coercion), not paying taxes is largely an honorable and patriotic endeavor in my book.
Starve the beast.
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« Reply #66 on: January 12, 2017, 01:12:17 PM » |
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Really loophole is simply a misleading adjective used by journalists and others to taint or smear someone or some law. There's lawful and unlawful. If you don't like a law, change it or repeal it. A big one comes to mind. There are some twenty exception to the evidentiary hearsay rule. They are not loopholes, they are exceptions written into the statutes. The current US tax code is a stinking rotten pile of garbage, and the finest example of lobbyist power, influence and corruption extant. So are all the combined Fed, State, and local taxes levied on working men. I blame no one for using any arguable way to avoid paying them. When my earned money goes to fund socialism in all it's forms, and other rampant G fraud, waste and abuse (all against my will by coercion), not paying taxes is largely an honorable and patriotic endeavor in my book. Starve the beast. And here's my question. How many in front of the podium had their votes bought and paid for with money stolen from the working man? And if everyone were able to take advantage of these loopholes, where would we be ? I'm for fair taxation not no taxation. |
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« Reply #67 on: January 12, 2017, 01:12:45 PM » |
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Thanks Serk.
Private note: Just a while back, I referred to you (or your employment) as a techno weenie. The next day, I thought that was pretty uncharitable of me. I did not mean it in derision at all, rather as just a humorous way to describe one highly competent and qualified to work in the mysterious field of computers, hardware, software, networks, code, yada. I apologize for that.
(It's not like lawyers are beloved and revered among the populace. I've been called much worse. Hell, I've called many much worse myself.)
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« Reply #68 on: January 12, 2017, 01:15:33 PM » |
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And if everyone were able to take advantage of these loopholes, where would we be ? I'm for fair taxation not no taxation.
Wait... so you DON'T take every single deduction you're entitled to on your taxes??? Private note: Just a while back, I referred to you (or your employment) as a techno weenie. LOL! When someone asks me what I do for a living I typically tell 'em I'm a Professional Computer Geek, not that far off from your term at all, no offense was taken at ALL... And I spent the last 2 days sitting on a jury, my thoughts on some of the members of your profession are very fresh, I'll just leave it at that... |
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« Reply #70 on: January 12, 2017, 01:24:56 PM » |
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My condolences. I'd ask about your case, but you must not speak of it untill it is over. I hope that is before next year.   It's over... 2 day case for a simple DWI with no accident, no injuries, and no driving... Was very odd actually in many ways. (The defendant was stopped at a traffic light asleep when he was picked up.) Is it normal for the state to bring in a forensic toxicologist to testify in a simple DWI case?? Seemed they were going overboard to nail this guy for some reason. Anyway... normally I'd apologize for the threadjack but in the case of this thread... good... |
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And if everyone were able to take advantage of these loopholes, where would we be ? I'm for fair taxation not no taxation.
Wait... so you DON'T take every single deduction you're entitled to on your taxes??? Private note: Just a while back, I referred to you (or your employment) as a techno weenie. LOL! When someone asks me what I do for a living I typically tell 'em I'm a Professional Computer Geek, not that far off from your term at all, no offense was taken at ALL... And I spent the last 2 days sitting on a jury, my thoughts on some of the members of your profession are very fresh, I'll just leave it at that... I thought the discussion had turned to big shots receiving loopholes to pay little or no taxes. I have unfortunately not gotten to that point. Someone commented that it was honorable and patriotic to not pay taxes. From that if we play it out their would be no money for the government to do the things we want. Again I say fair taxation for all is where we should be aiming. |
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I thought the discussion had turned to big shots receiving loopholes to pay little or no taxes. I have unfortunately not gotten to that point. Someone commented that it was honorable and patriotic to not pay taxes. From that if we play it out their would be no money for the government to do the things we want. Again I say fair taxation for all is where we should be aiming.
We were discussing American citizens using every LEGAL deduction available to them to pay as little theft as possible. Nothing wrong with that at all... |
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I thought the discussion had turned to big shots receiving loopholes to pay little or no taxes. I have unfortunately not gotten to that point. Someone commented that it was honorable and patriotic to not pay taxes. From that if we play it out their would be no money for the government to do the things we want. Again I say fair taxation for all is where we should be aiming.
We were discussing American citizens using every LEGAL deduction available to them to pay as little theft as possible. Nothing wrong with that at all... Oh but I disagree. When rich people can lobby to have the tax laws bent to where someone with 10 Billion pays no taxes, I say there is plenty wrong with that. |
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« Reply #74 on: January 12, 2017, 02:01:16 PM » |
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Baldo the difference is I gave Obama a chance for a few years in spite of my many misgivings
Time proved me right -- it happens more often now that I am older than when I was a youngun
But those entitled elitists will never give the same courtesy The gals at dinner last night are snobs, people who always have something negative to say about this or that, people with too much money and not enough humility Its always easier to bash than to build isn't it
Will you be at the anti Trump rally or will you watch or read about the inauguration later this month
I havent been invited to either affair but I can truthfully say I look forward to the miracle that is the peaceful transition of power every 4 or 8 years Lets hope that with the new team
things get better for us all
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« Reply #75 on: January 12, 2017, 02:13:27 PM » |
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I thought the discussion had turned to big shots receiving loopholes to pay little or no taxes. I have unfortunately not gotten to that point. Someone commented that it was honorable and patriotic to not pay taxes. From that if we play it out their would be no money for the government to do the things we want. Again I say fair taxation for all is where we should be aiming.
We were discussing American citizens using every LEGAL deduction available to them to pay as little theft as possible. Nothing wrong with that at all... Oh but I disagree. When rich people can lobby to have the tax laws bent to where someone with 10 Billion pays no taxes, I say there is plenty wrong with that. Normally these people did not get rich by being stupid. |
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I thought the discussion had turned to big shots receiving loopholes to pay little or no taxes. I have unfortunately not gotten to that point. Someone commented that it was honorable and patriotic to not pay taxes. From that if we play it out their would be no money for the government to do the things we want. Again I say fair taxation for all is where we should be aiming.
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« Reply #77 on: January 12, 2017, 04:56:09 PM » |
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My condolences. I'd ask about your case, but you must not speak of it untill it is over. I hope that is before next year. It's over... 2 day case for a simple DWI with no accident, no injuries, and no driving... Was very odd actually in many ways. (The defendant was stopped at a traffic light asleep when he was picked up.) Is it normal for the state to bring in a forensic toxicologist to testify in a simple DWI case?? Seemed they were going overboard to nail this guy for some reason. Anyway... normally I'd apologize for the threadjack but in the case of this thread... good... Well, assuming the defendant plead not guilty and had a decent lawyer (requiring a trial), it is then incumbent on the state to prove it's case beyond reasonable doubt. The whole breath/blood to alcohol percentage in your body issue, and the machines and/or chemical testing used requires an expert witness to get the evidence into the record. And the first thing you have to do is qualify that the witness is indeed an expert, so his full background, education, training and experience goes in just to start. And if you have a rookie young prosecutor, it becomes a very good training exercise for him, and he generally plods his way though slowly. No decent defense counsel is going to stipulate to any of that (he might stipulate to the expert being an expert), so the state has to run the full dog and pony show out for the judge or jury. If a jury, it takes longer to lay it all out for laymen to understand. The doctor (or whatever) was probably a state employee, so the locality doesn't get hit with outrageous expert witness fees. Now here is where you find out if the private attorney was worth his money as he challenges chain of possession of the breath/blood sample through the system, and challenges the expert on his testing, calibration of equipment, etc. He has to have an intimate knowledge of the whole scientific process. If the expert is any good (and your guy had probably done hundreds of these before) the chances of the defense counsel making any serious headway or effective challenge is slim to none. In my experience, very few people ever go to trial on this because the G generally has it's act together, their expert is good, and when you are found guilty after a jury trial, the costs, fines and punishment are significantly worse than if you took the standard deal and plead guilty. Now if you want to challenge the proper criminal procedure, the stop, the search, the rights, etc, that's one thing, but to principally challenge the chemical testing, you have a steep hill to climb. For comparison, in every positive pee test for drugs (of any kind, but mostly Mary Jane) in the USAF during my service, if the defendant requested a trial, the actual director of our USAF lab at Brooks Laboratory (San Antonio TX, I guess now closed) personally traveled to every Special or General court martial anywhere in the world to be our expert witness. Also interesting (to me) the single highest nanogram count of metabolites for cocaine ever recorded by the USAF (at that time), was by a poor USAF JAG Capt serving up in AK at Elmandorf or Eielson. No one had ever seen a count that high, and our lab expert estimated that he had put a pile of grams of coke up his nose within a very short time period (hours) before he was caught in a random urinalysis. He was also the only guy in the USAF (again in my time) that ever drew the maximum five years imprisonment at hard labor for a single use of coke (not possession, not sale, just use) authorized under the UCMJ. |
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Thanks for the insight! And yes, the defense attorney did bring up the calibration, environmental state of the analyzer, the certification of it, when it was last calibrated, diagnosed, etc. etc. etc. And yeah, the expert witness had all his ducks in a row, this definitely was NOT his first rodeo. This particular case, the defendant had admittedly drank a great deal of alcohol in a very brief period of time RIGHT before he was arrested. He'd been up all night working, got off work at 5AM, was driving home having a night cap (Incredibly stupid, but we weren't trying him for stupidity) and fell asleep at a stop light on his way. He'd just pulled a triple shift and been awake over 24 hours. The defense's main argument was that the alcohol was in his stomach, but NOT his blood at the time he had been operating the vehicle, and he only blew a 0.107 an hour and a half later because it'd had time to work into his system, and that he had fallen asleep at the light due to exhaustion, not the alcohol. Watching the court before our trial I observed a LARGE number of DWI cases that were being plea bargain'ed out, I can see why they'd want to go hard on anyone that dared them to go through the trouble and expense of a jury trial. The prosecution attorneys were 2 young ladies that looked like they'd just passed the bar exam the week before, the defense attorney had definitely been doing this a while, late middle aged guy, reminded me a lot of the some stereotypical TV lawyer, but he knew his stuff... When the guilty verdict was read one of the prosecution lawyers was visibly excited and "WOW!!!"'ed the jury. I got the impression this might have been either her first case or her first win. Another odd observation, I was the only white person on the jury of 6. I'd never been the token before. Not necessarily germane to the case but was just an interesting observation. Another enlightening thing I learned, I overheard a lawyer advising his client on taking a plea deal on something (Didn't hear specifically what) he mentioned the plea involved 120 days in the Dallas County Jail, however, the Dallas County Jail gives 3 for 1 credit, so it'd really only be 40 days. I found that very interesting... My poor wife. She desperately wants to sit on a jury, but in all he times she's had jury duty she's never even made it to voir dire, whereas this is the 3rd case I've gotten to be a juror for... (This one, a civil case involving a little girl who lost her finger tips in an accident at a fast food restaurant and the coup de gras the first case I was a juror on was a capital murder case.) Oh, and just to reiterate... Taxation is theft. |
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Never ask a geek 'Why?',just nod your head and slowly back away... IBA# 22107 VRCC# 7976 VRCCDS# 226 1998 Valkyrie Standard 2008 Gold Wing Taxation is theft. μολὼν λαβέ |
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Jess from VA
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« Reply #79 on: January 12, 2017, 05:54:09 PM » |
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In most states, practicing attorneys are exempt from jury duty, but not in VA. I desperately want to never be on a jury, and given my proclivity for law and order and conservatism and open honesty about same, it is highly unlikely one side or the other would not kick me off. Yet, as a registered voter, I have never once been called.
Sure, who wouldn't want to be on the jury in an indecent strip club sex case (with glossy photos and video), but who in their right mind would want to get swept up in a months/year long OJ type case? I think his jury acquitted him in retaliation for having a year of their lives stolen. Yes, jury duty is a civic duty, but still......
In the old days, before breathalyzers and portable testing equipment, the state had to prove the defendant was actually physically drunk (a wholly subjective finding). Trying those cases was much more common, and fun (my client wasn't drunk, he's really old, and he always walks like that; here, we'll show you). Once all states adopted .10 BAT (later replaced with .08), the state only has to prove your BAT met the limit. Evidence of actual intoxication (or soberness) became largely irrelevant. Beating the machines is nearly impossible if they are accurate and calibrated and chain of custody is there, that's it.
There are some (few) people (defendants), however, who simply cannot accept your expert advice and opinions about their case. They are righteously indignant about their arrest, and they want to fight it all the way, at any cost (despite clear and provable guilt). These are some of the hardest people to exercise client control over and can be a major PITA. Even though I could have made good money defending them, I generally quoted them five times my usual rate (rather than simply refusing to represent them) so they would leave and get somebody else to make miserable for the next weeks or months.
Professional (and amateur) felons are never like this, and know the score; they want the best deal you can get them..... and when you tell them you can get them one with only four-six months county time, they pump your hand and love you like a brother. (but you keep your Colt 1911 cocked and locked in your desk drawer anyway)
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