Pledge, country, unity

[Robert]

I pledge allegiance

   to the Flag of the United States of America,     and to the Republic for which it stands,
 
     One Nation,       Under God,       indivisible,     with Liberty and Justice for all.


I think some have forgotten this, didn't we take this out of the schools?

[solo1]

Our Korean War Veterans chapter salutes the Flag and pledges at the beginning of every meeting.

I doubt if any veterans forget the Pledge. "Freedom is not Free"

[Roadog]

Our Korean War Veterans chapter salutes the Flag and pledges at the beginning of every meeting.

I doubt if any veterans forget the Pledge. "Freedom is not Free"

   X2  :cooldude

Ride Safe
Roadog:

[signart]

We pledge allegiance to the United States flag at the beginning of every meeting at our SCV camp. We pay homage to our Heritage and Confederate Flag secondly. I imagine all camps across the U.S. do the same.

[JimmyG]

Our County commission and City Alderman say it, and have a prayer before our meetings as well. God bless America.   I'm thinking all the people protesting these things are like a pimple on the butt of the USA, a small annoying bump full of puss.  Amazing how they band together to protest.  sorry, got off subject...

[sandy]

An historical note: The phrase "under God" was added in 1953 because of the McCarthy hearings and the fear of communism. It wasn't always in the pledge.

[G-Man]

They played the national anthem before my son's NY Catholic H.S. basketball finals game.

BTW, they won.  Archbishop Stepinac over Bishop Laughlin for the championship.

Very proud Dad over here!

[Willow]

An historical note: The phrase "under God" was added in 1953 because of the McCarthy hearings and the fear of communism. It wasn't always in the pledge.

LOL!  The Pledge itself didn't "always" exist. 

[Robert]

Train up a child in the way he should go,
And when he is old he will not depart from it.

I find it amazing that more than likely the ones protesting dont have any idea of the heritage of this country or the true price some have paid to give them the right to protest. I know there is a directed effort to remove this kind of teaching from the schools. In order to shape the world the way that they deem it should be. Maybe we would see much more respect for the US as a whole and the elders of this country if they knew the sacrifices and price paid.

I thank one and all for their service to this country and thank our fore fathers who came out of the adversity of a iron clad rule to navigate the many tentacles of Brittan so we could have a shot at living free. But lets be eternally vigilant and realize that these acts of sedition are planed and purposeful and that we need to speak to the leaders and those in control to get things right and give credit where credit is due.

Lets recite this in school again and make sure that the kids, the next ones to rule this country never forget what came before. Otherwise those who come after will face and relive the very things we paid the price of to come out of.

[old2soon]

EVERY P G R mission I've ever been on the briefing ALWAYS includes The Pledge of Allegiance and a PRAYER. High School football games here-Willow Springs-same thing-Pledge and PRAYER. Kinda difficult to make folks here Believe-Buckle of the Bible Belt-that we ain't sposed to start something here Without PRAYER. Been to the V F W and the American Legion posts here AND-Pledge and a PRAYER.  Another Important Phrase comes to mind-Death Before Dishonor. RIDE SAFE.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Train up a child in the way he should go,
And when he is old he will not depart from it.

I find it amazing that more than likely the ones protesting dont have any idea of the heritage of this country or the true price some have paid to give them the right to protest. I know there is a directed effort to remove this kind of teaching from the schools. In order to shape the world the way that they deem it should be. Maybe we would see much more respect for the US as a whole and the elders of this country if they knew the sacrifices and price paid.

I thank one and all for their service to this country and thank our fore fathers who came out of the adversity of a iron clad rule to navigate the many tentacles of Brittan so we could have a shot at living free. But lets be eternally vigilant and realize that these acts of sedition are planed and purposeful and that we need to speak to the leaders and those in control to get things right and give credit where credit is due.

Lets recite this in school again and make sure that the kids, the next ones to rule this country never forget what came before. Otherwise those who come after will face and relive the very things we paid the price of to come out of.

What acts of sedition are you referring to ?

[Valker]

Daily recital is required by law in all Texas public schools.

[Patrick]

We always say the Pledge before any meetings.


There seems to be some controversy over the words 'under God'.  Some want those words removed. As Sandy mentioned, those words were not in the Pledge in its original form.

Some seem to what to remove the word 'God' from everything. Others when it concerns the Pledge just want it to return to its original writing.

[3fan4life]

This is a good article about the history of the pledge:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/strange-history-pledge-of-allegiance

At the end the author makes known his displeasure with the words, "Under God" being added to it. But it is a good history lesson.


For me disrespecting the flag disrespects ALL of the people who have died defending our nation. While I know that they were fighting for much more than the flag, I also know that the flag represents our nation and all that it stands for.

To disrespect our nation's flag diminishes their sacrifice. To those who would say that it is a free country and that they have a right to disrespect the flag if they wish. I would say, yes you do have that right. But just because you have the right to do something does not make it the right thing to do. Especially, when it is through the sacrifice of the very people that you are disrespecting that you have that freedom.


   

[DirtyDan]

Our flag is up, and lit

Dan

[art]

Our flag is up, and lit

Dan

Same here

[bulldog620]

Everyone of you, who responded to Roberts post, I have the upmost respect for, with the exception of one....  Ride safe brothers.... 

Sent from my iPad

[Gryphon Rider]

Train up a child in the way he should go,
And when he is old he will not depart from it.

I find it amazing that more than likely the ones protesting dont have any idea of the heritage of this country or the true price some have paid to give them the right to protest. I know there is a directed effort to remove this kind of teaching from the schools. In order to shape the world the way that they deem it should be. Maybe we would see much more respect for the US as a whole and the elders of this country if they knew the sacrifices and price paid.

I thank one and all for their service to this country and thank our fore fathers who came out of the adversity of a iron clad rule to navigate the many tentacles of Brittan so we could have a shot at living free. But lets be eternally vigilant and realize that these acts of sedition are planed and purposeful and that we need to speak to the leaders and those in control to get things right and give credit where credit is due.

Lets recite this in school again and make sure that the kids, the next ones to rule this country never forget what came before. Otherwise those who come after will face and relive the very things we paid the price of to come out of.

What acts of sedition are you referring to ?

I feel like I'm navigating an iron-clad tentacle trying to follow the train of thought.  I find Robert's post ironic, considering the events of the American Revolution probably were considered acts of sedition by the British.  I guess what is considered sedition, and what is considered fighting to cut off the chains of an oppressor depend on who happens to be in power at the time.

Planing sedition?:

[The emperor has no clothes]

Train up a child in the way he should go,
And when he is old he will not depart from it.

I find it amazing that more than likely the ones protesting dont have any idea of the heritage of this country or the true price some have paid to give them the right to protest. I know there is a directed effort to remove this kind of teaching from the schools. In order to shape the world the way that they deem it should be. Maybe we would see much more respect for the US as a whole and the elders of this country if they knew the sacrifices and price paid.

I thank one and all for their service to this country and thank our fore fathers who came out of the adversity of a iron clad rule to navigate the many tentacles of Brittan so we could have a shot at living free. But lets be eternally vigilant and realize that these acts of sedition are planed and purposeful and that we need to speak to the leaders and those in control to get things right and give credit where credit is due.

Lets recite this in school again and make sure that the kids, the next ones to rule this country never forget what came before. Otherwise those who come after will face and relive the very things we paid the price of to come out of.

What acts of sedition are you referring to ?

I feel like I'm navigating an iron-clad tentacle trying to follow the train of thought.  I find Robert's post ironic, considering the events of the American Revolution probably were considered acts of sedition by the British.  I guess what is considered sedition, and what is considered fighting to cut off the chains of an oppressor depend on who happens to be in power at the time.

Planing sedition?:

careful my friend. Not only are you going to have the PC spelling police coming down on you. You are bound to be frowned upon by Bulldogs.

[baldo]

Train up a child in the way he should go,
And when he is old he will not depart from it.

I find it amazing that more than likely the ones protesting dont have any idea of the heritage of this country or the true price some have paid to give them the right to protest. I know there is a directed effort to remove this kind of teaching from the schools. In order to shape the world the way that they deem it should be. Maybe we would see much more respect for the US as a whole and the elders of this country if they knew the sacrifices and price paid.

I thank one and all for their service to this country and thank our fore fathers who came out of the adversity of a iron clad rule to navigate the many tentacles of Brittan so we could have a shot at living free. But lets be eternally vigilant and realize that these acts of sedition are planed and purposeful and that we need to speak to the leaders and those in control to get things right and give credit where credit is due.

Lets recite this in school again and make sure that the kids, the next ones to rule this country never forget what came before. Otherwise those who come after will face and relive the very things we paid the price of to come out of.

What acts of sedition are you referring to ?

I feel like I'm navigating an iron-clad tentacle trying to follow the train of thought.  I find Robert's post ironic, considering the events of the American Revolution probably were considered acts of sedition by the British.  I guess what is considered sedition, and what is considered fighting to cut off the chains of an oppressor depend on who happens to be in power at the time.

Planing sedition?:

LOLOLOL......very clever....

[Robert]

I personally believe we have some fine people in the US and the fact that many protest says they want things to be better and they think their way is the way. But a change in knowledge or what has been done in the past and the results can be a real eye opener to some.

We saw an example of it in welcoming our soldiers back from Vietnam. They were spit upon and ridiculed by people who thought they knew what they were doing. Years later and with much enlightenment we have come to be ashamed of how disrespectfully they were welcomed.


We have planned parenthood that many protest the cuts to the budget but, this institution was founded to bring control to the black population and provides abortion to who ever and event late term abortion and sells babies parts. Yet we have women protesting cuts to their budget in the form that the US will no longer pay for abortions.

We see it in Roe VS Wade that the plaintiff Norma Leah McCorvey changed her opinion and actually tried to get the decision in her court case changed many years later. Once she became informed to the importance of what she was endorsing.

Schools are the some of the breading grounds of this. Berkly made headlines again recently and if you can influence the kids you can change things in a generation. We all see Waters World and how the kids have no clue or interest in what our country and government is about. We see the young kids get indoctrinated into protests and actions that are irrelevant and the schools dont teach and tell the stories of Fore Fathers or what price had to be paid to create a national pride and respect. This is done deliberately, with planning and thought to me that is sedition of our kids. It causes them to not understand the consequences and results of their actions, it doesn't teach them what has been tried before or why the things are as they are.

There is a program in prison that takes those that are in prison and puts them before a camera and allows them to tell the truth of what it felt like and what a mistake it was to take the life they took that wound them in prison.

I guess you could call it subversion or propaganda or the dumbing down of America but its planned, orchestrated, shoved down their throats and that to me is to much to allow a gentler term. The ones who want the one world government and open boarders are sadicous and manipulative and it goes all the way to brainwashing or dumbing down our kids.

We are being taught that nationalism is a bad thing along with clearly defined labels like terrorist. We can no longer say BC/AD because this references time to the life of Christ. How many of the little things have been changed to make us more acceptable to the world or the ones that want to use us for their good.

So saying the Pledge is done in some areas and not in others but I think it should be mandatory in all areas. We may not see some of the things we see today if we could have some pride in the US. I dont think people are bad and would change if they knew the truth of the price paid and the cost of what they have.
 

[Oss]

Thanks robert and 3fan
Ignoring the history of the pledge is unwise.....but failing to respect it is imho worse

Love history.  Just got the  donovan book
after reading the killing patton one suggested last week
Our flag flies dawn to dusk

[The emperor has no clothes]

I personally believe we have some fine people in the US and the fact that many protest says they want things to be better and they think their way is the way. But a change in knowledge or what has been done in the past and the results can be a real eye opener to some.

We saw an example of it in welcoming our soldiers back from Vietnam. They were spit upon and ridiculed by people who thought they knew what they were doing. Years later and with much enlightenment we have come to be ashamed of how disrespectfully they were welcomed.

We see it in Roe VS Wade that the plaintiff Norma Leah McCorvey changed her opinion and actually tried to get the decision in her court case changed many years later. Once she became informed to the importance of what she was endorsing.

Schools are the some of the breading grounds of this. Berkly made headlines again recently and if you can influence the kids you can change things in a generation. We all see Waters World and how the kids have no clue or interest in what our country and government is about. We see the young kids get indoctrinated into protests and actions that are irrelevant and the schools dont teach and tell the stories of Fore Fathers or what price had to be paid to create a national pride and respect. This is done deliberately, with planning and thought to me that is sedition of our kids. It causes them to not understand the consequences and results of their actions, it doesn't teach them what has been tried before or why the things are as they are.

There is a program in prison that takes those that are in prison and puts them before a camera and allows them to tell the truth of what it felt like and what a mistake it was to take the life they took that wound them in prison.

I guess you could call it subversion or propaganda or the dumbing down of America but its planned, orchestrated, shoved down their throats and that to me is to much to allow a gentler term. The ones who want the one world government and open boarders are sadicous and manipulative and it goes all the way to brainwashing or dumbing down our kids.

The PC spelling police are holding me back.

There are many who don't understand what our government is about. Some are into there 70's.

[Gryphon Rider]

I personally believe we have some fine people in the US and the fact that many protest says they want things to be better and they think their way is the way. But a change in knowledge or what has been done in the past and the results can be a real eye opener to some.

We saw an example of it in welcoming our soldiers back from Vietnam. They were spit upon and ridiculed by people who thought they knew what they were doing. Years later and with much enlightenment we have come to be ashamed of how disrespectfully they were welcomed.

We have planned parenthood that many protest the cuts to the budget but, this institution was founded to bring control to the black population and provides abortion to who ever and event late term abortion and sells babies parts. Yet we have women protesting cuts to their budget in the form that the US will no longer pay for abortions.

We see it in Roe VS Wade that the plaintiff Norma Leah McCorvey changed her opinion and actually tried to get the decision in her court case changed many years later. Once she became informed to the importance of what she was endorsing.

Schools are the some of the breading grounds of this. Berkly made headlines again recently and if you can influence the kids you can change things in a generation. We all see Waters World and how the kids have no clue or interest in what our country and government is about. We see the young kids get indoctrinated into protests and actions that are irrelevant and the schools dont teach and tell the stories of Fore Fathers or what price had to be paid to create a national pride and respect. This is done deliberately, with planning and thought to me that is sedition of our kids. It causes them to not understand the consequences and results of their actions, it doesn't teach them what has been tried before or why the things are as they are.

There is a program in prison that takes those that are in prison and puts them before a camera and allows them to tell the truth of what it felt like and what a mistake it was to take the life they took that wound them in prison.

I guess you could call it subversion or propaganda or the dumbing down of America but its planned, orchestrated, shoved down their throats and that to me is to much to allow a gentler term. The ones who want the one world government and open boarders are sadicous and manipulative and it goes all the way to brainwashing or dumbing down our kids.

We are being taught that nationalism is a bad thing along with clearly defined labels like terrorist. We can no longer say BC/AD because this references time to the life of Christ. How many of the little things have been changed to make us more acceptable to the world or the ones that want to use us for their good.

So saying the Pledge is done in some areas and not in others but I think it should be mandatory in all areas. We may not see some of the things we see today if we could have some pride in the US. I dont think people are bad and would change if they knew the truth of the price paid and the cost of what they have.

Thanks for the clarification, Robert.  I really was having a tough time figuring out what the "sedition" was you were talking about in your previous post, although most of it better fits the definition of "subversion".

I have no problem with schoolchildren reciting the Pledge, although the right to freedom of conscience should permit individuals to opt out if they or their parents insist.

What I disagree with is the "So and So (current political leader) is not MY president (prime minister, premier, etc.)!" rhetoric.  If you are a citizen of a nation/province/state, its political leader IS your leader, regardless of your disagreement with their policies, character, or proclamations.  Use whatever legal means you have to change the leadership, but forsake illegal or seditious methods.  See Romans 13:1.

[Gryphon Rider]

The PC spelling police are holding me back.

There are many who don't understand what our government is about. Some are into there their 70's.

See above-noted correction.

Yours truly,

PC Spelling Police

[The emperor has no clothes]

The PC spelling police are holding me back.

There are many who don't understand what our government is about. Some are into there their 70's.

See above-noted correction.

Yours truly,

PC Spelling Police

Thank you GR uh....PC 

[MarkT]

Just want to add, all of O'Reilley's Killing series books are well written, great historical tomes. Should be offered in school curriculums.